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Why are they being so predictable?

For those wondering why the #EndSars protest is still ongoing, this is the reason.

As predicted according to precedent patterns of govt , they have simply changed the name from SARS to SWAT.

Nobody has been brought to book. So there is no punishment 5o serve as deterrent against police brutality.

Until that is done, theis reform is simply audio reform.
And I support the continuity of the EndSARS protest.

MhisTahrah:
Wizzy is a real G.Na person wey dey alive go listen to new song.
#EndSARS
#EndSWAT
#EndPoliceBrutality
#RestructureNigeria

I know this might be a bit of a stretch but some how I think Wizkid actually started this whole EndSars movement with his tweet calling out Buhari.

Anas09:
I am not Jesusjnr's fan, but pls humble yourself and go to YouTube and type 'I went to hell'. You won't see Nigerians crying. You wld see atheists, and unbelievers

If you google people who dream of vampires you will see that on youtube too.

What you need to realize is these are ideas that have been insinuated into your subconscious mind and when you sleep, your mind re-enacts the things on your mind.

What you should be more focused on is re-enacting the power of the Holyspirit as detailed in the bible both in the fruit of the Spirit and gifts of the Spirit. It was the testimony of this Power and love that was used to convert the Christians in the bible.

These days all you have is spreading fear and judgment to convert people. It's actually very shameful.

But you will simply defend your lack of divine powers and love as usual.

Ihedinobi3:
Well, obviously you wouldn't bother to read my post. It's neither surprising nor particularly unexpected. As I always tell anti-christians, I hardly ever offer my answers for your sake. I certainly hope that they will do you good, but I primarily use conversation with you as an opportunity to answer difficult questions for fellow believers.

For what good it might do you though,

1. I never claimed anywhere to belong to any denominations, because, you see, I actually don't. I was born and raised in the Methodist Church. I had exposure to the Jehovah's Witnesses growing up, and my mother's side of the family was Roman Catholic and my grandma used to take me to mass and other sacraments. From my early years, I read writings from all sorts of theologians and wannabe theologians from all kinds of traditions including the Pentecostal and the heterodoxical like the Seventh Day Adventists. I changed churches multiple times until I was almost 30 when I finally gave up on churches entirely. At present, I am a student and apprentice pastor-teacher under the Ichthys Ministry at https://ichthys.com. It is quite obviously non-denominational with a very heavy bias to the Bible's position and little respect for religious traditionalism. So, I could hardly be condemning all denominations except mine, since I don't belong to any.

2. I have certainly offered an example of a reconciliation between apparently contradictory passages. I don't see any refutation of my arguments, so I see no reason at all to believe your argument that I am blind to any real contradictions. I believe that that is merely a false claim borne of your own wilful blindness to the Bible's unity.

3. Since I didn't claim that only unbelievers cannot understand the Bible, and since you yourself just claimed that I condemned other Christians (for interpreting the Bible wrong), this flaw that you claim obviously exists only in your imagination. In fact, I stated unequivocally that immature believers have considerable difficulty understanding the Bible, and I explained that having the Holy Spirit is only one of the two things necessary for understanding the Bible. The Holy Spirit grants us the ability to understand the Scriptures, but pastor-teachers are given to explain the Bible, that is, to open the Bible to fellow believers. One who does not have the Holy Spirit will not be able to understand even if a pastor-teacher explains, just as you yourself are proving with your response right now. But one who has the Holy Spirit and is willing to humbly learn the Truth has no problem understanding the pastor-teacher's explanations.

4. As to why there are so many denominations, you actually bolded the text of the paragraph where I tried to demonstrate what I believe to be the reason, and yet you act like I didn't.

5. Do even mature believers agree on all things in the Bible? Certainly not.

15 All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
Philippians 3:15 (NIV)

We are still in mortal flesh that is sinful. So, we will always have imperfections even in our understanding of the Bible. But that only goes to show just how desperate the position of the unbeliever is. If even the most mature believers can still suffer imperfections in understanding the Bible, and immature believers don't even understand anything themselves, what hope does an unbeliever have?

Bravo. You've said it all.
Am I anti-Christian though? That's a bit of a stretch.
I'm simply against the pseudo-christianity that abounds.

My simple question ergo is how come "mature Christians" with theological background still don't agree on the bible nor exhibit the power there in?
Neither in love nor working of miracles as promised in the scriptures, take you for example.

Ephesians 3:17-19
That Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Do you understand this scripture?
Do you comprehend what this alone would accomplish if it were a reality in the lives of Christian's?

The bible is full of these promises but not realistic.
The truth is the world is pining for Christians. Like the scriptures says creation is dying/waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God.

But unfortunately it's just an ideal, a wishful thinking just like other religions are.

Ihedinobi3:
You are close to the mark, but you're not quite there.

The Bible can sound contradictory, it is true, but it actually isn't. Any professional in any field can tell you that they are not the only ones who claim expertise in that field. All sorts of people exercise their opinions in all sorts of things as though they had some authority to do so. The Bible is not exempt from this kind of abuse. It is particularly bad with the Bible because for some reason, people think that the Bible is not supposed to be hard to understand, but, in fact, except for the gift of the Holy Spirit and the gift of pastor-teachers too, it would be impossible to understand nearly anything in it.

Of course, unbelievers such as yourself scoff at the idea that a book should be impossible to understand without a "holy spirit." It sounds to you like a cop-out, but just as one without the benefit of a cultural background is still likely to fail to understand the nuances of a language that they are learning, it really is impossible to understand a philosophy that isn't even human without having some help from whatever the source of the philosophy is. This is the problem of epistemology that atheists often throw at religion, namely, that we have no way of knowing that anything about God is true, and therefore there is no rational basis on which to believe that God exists. It makes sense, since in order to know anything about God, we have to go outside of the universe to find Him, since He is of necessity outside the universe.

But we can't go outside the universe. We are creatures of this universe limited by space, time, matter, and energy. We can't exist in a spaceless, timeless, matter less, energyless reality. That would be like a drawing exiting the paper on which it is made to prance about in the real world. An impossibility.

Therefore, the only way that we can relate to God and know Him or anything about Him is by His actively entering this universe's reality and enabling us to experience Him. That is what we get through faith and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

I'll point out that simply because the universe exists, we can certainly be sure that a God of a certain type of moral character and power exists, so that is not the issue. The issue is getting to know Who this God is and what He wants of us. That is what we can only access through faith.

Therefore, as the Bible tells us,

9 But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” 10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:9 (NKJV)

This is not stranger than being unable to make sense of someone else's language. Until you learn a language, it sounds like gibberish (madness/foolishness) to you. Likewise, unless you have God's Spirit, His reasoning/philosophy/word sounds insane/foolish to you. That is exactly why you perceive contradictions in something that only sounds rich/full/complex and perfectly sensible to me.

Of course, one can only have the Spirit by faith now. You have to believe the Gospel in order to receive God's Spirit. Then, you have to submit yourself to a pastor-teacher in order to carefully study the Bible's highly complex teachings so that what might seem inscrutable at first increasingly opens up like a budding flower to you.

So, you see, where immature believers have considerable difficulty getting at the meaning of very much in the Bible, the unbeliever has no shot at all at understanding anything beyond the Gospel in the Bible.

As you said, the Scriptures in question are correctly quoted, but have they been correctly interpreted? The fundamental principle of the Bible after the one that everything in the Bible is God's own word is that Scriptures don't contradict.

35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)
John 10:35 (NKJV)

The Bible stands together or falls together. No Scripture triumphs over another as if they couldn't both be true. The question is how they fit together, and the answer to that is seldom easy. That is why there are so many churches, denominations, and religious groups all based around the Bible. That is why some (including Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, and Mormons) have even made up their own "Bibles" to better accommodate the foolish lies that they delude themselves into believing. It is simply not easy to understand the Bible. And human beings are naturally too arrogant to submit to anybody especially with respect to learning about God.

In one single post you just condemned other Christians except your own denomination. Typical of Christians by the way, so don't feel too guilty.

The only reason you are blind to the contradictions in the bible is because you "choose" to try to find the correlation, because you believe that it is infallible even when the contradictions are glaring.

A flaw in your argument that only unbelievers cannot understand the bible because the Holy spirit interprets the bible is easy to point out.
Just sit two Holyspirit filled Christians together and watch the argument ensue about their interpretation of scriptures. Why do you think there are so many denominations with their different doctrines?

Unless perhaps your assertion is that only your denomination has exclusivity to the Holyspirit.
Of which I am still sure you and other members in your denomination share diverse interpretation of the scriptures.

Ihedinobi3:
I certainly appreciate your wanting to clear things up. We are to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace (Ephesians 4:3), even when we disagree, if we are believers. I just really cannot continue to treat anyone who insists on pursuing false teaching like a brother (Titus 3:10; Romans 16:17), and because breaking fellowship is not by any means a light matter I wanted to warn you first. I would be more than happy to be at peace with you if you belong to the Lord Jesus. So, again, I do appreciate your willingness to discuss this. You don't owe it to me at all, but we ought to be at peace with one another if we are both of Christ.

To start off, everything that you've listed out is either wrong or problematic. I'll demonstrate, then you can pick any that you want us to discuss and we can discuss it. If you want us to discuss them all, we can do so either one at a time or in parallel.


Re: 1. We are already in God's kingdom on earth through the resurrection of Christ. Colossians 1:13

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
John 18:36 (NIV)

20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Philippians 3:20-21 (NIV)

These are only two samples of a vast array of Scriptures that completely reject the idea that the Kingdom of God is here on Earth. The only sense in which the Kingdom of God is here is that its citizens are here.


Re: 2. This world has become the kingdom of Christ Revelation 11:15 and will last forever. Genesis 8:22

4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (NASB)

19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
1 John 5:19 (NIV)

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
2 Peter 3:10-13 (NIV)

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Revelation 20:11 (NIV)

1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Revelation 21:1 (NIV)

Just a sampling of Scriptures again that show that you might not have understood the passages you posted.


Re: 3. Judgement is immediately after we die. Hebrews 9:27

What happened to Lazarus the brother of Mary and Martha? Wasn't he judged after he died? After being raised from the dead, what happened to that judgment? What about all those people who we were raised from the dead by various prophets and the Lord Jesus? Were they not judged? If they were, why were they brought back to the earth? If they weren't, why weren't they?

Then also, there are these Scriptures:

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
Revelation 22:12 (NIV)

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:11-15 (NIV)

17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1 Peter 4:17 (NIV)

And they are not the only ones. The Bible teaches that the Lord will judge the Church at His Coming, then He will judge Millennial believers at the end of the Millennium and the unbelievers after them.


Re: 4. There is instant resurrection of Christians immediately after their death 1 Corinthians 15:35-57

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NIV)


Suffice to say that I rarely see anything biblically correct in your writings here. So, these four are as good a starting point as any, if you actually want to work through them with me.

This has always been the issue with Christians and the bible.

The bible is self-contradictory. It says one thing here and says the direct opposite else where.

Both you and paxonel have correctly quoted scriptural references to support your selves yet both of you are contradicting each other.

The same bible that says the Kingdom of heaven has come also says the kingdom of heaven is not here.

The same bible that says the world will be destroyed says God will not destroy it.

So how then do you know who is right?

jesusjnr2020:
There you go again when you'd been found wanting with the facts. You're still trying to make flimsy excuses.

You said a promise was made to Noah that the world would never be destroyed, but that has been hence proven to be a lie by the facts!

Later you'd start talking about giving facts. You should at least start doing that truthfully, even if you want to find faults in the Bible, instead of presenting figments of your sentiments as facts.

Your theology is so faulty it sounds like a different religion altogether.

You claim the earth will be destroyed where as after over how many millennia it has not been destroyed.

I point you to scriptural promise that it will not be destroyed, yet you're arguing with what is in the bible.

jesusjnr2020:
What do you understand by "as long as the earth remains"?

You speak about facts, but you have so far failed to show where it was actually stated in the Bible that God ever said the Earth or the world would never end or be destroyed, but still quoting a place where God said something else and drawing the wrong meaning from it. So much for someone else who wants to teach someone how to study the Bible.

I already know for a fact that you're driven by sentiments and not facts, because even when you're clearly caught with the facts, you'd still deny it. So this is just to confirm that fact!

Well, you can choose your own meaning out of the scripture. That has always been the issue with the bible, Exegesis vs Eisegesis.

jesusjnr2020:
Kindly quote where "the promise" was made to Noah if you're not lying and just trying to find fault where there's none.

By now you should know I give you facts of the scriptures and not fictions.

Genesis 8:21-22

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

That means whether through flood or what not, he will never again destroy earth.
If you spend more time studying your bible than arguing you will know these secrets that are only revealed to those who have given time to scriptures.

shadeyinka:
..and no more sea cannot be this current world
Rev 22:5: "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun ; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

You'll only confuse yourself more with these visions and prophecies.

There are several such prophecies and visions by Isaiah and Jeremiah. Doesn't mean it has happened.

Akube1z:
Yes.
We need to seek for the mercies of God. we need to seek for God in our life . The Bible is different from the modern day . We aren't Righteous like those in the Bible.

Lol where did you read that they were more righteous?

The world has always been full of unrighteousness. Even in the time of Jesus, his own disciples were unrighteous.when he met them

In fact the people even chose Barabbas over Jesus.

shadeyinka:
It means there will always be s place called the earth where people will live. This doesn't violate

Rev 21:1: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

In the new earth, there would be no night for God will be their light

Don't confuse yourself with the visions in revelation.

Those visions were not time bound. Some of the events were even before earth was formed.

The new heaven and earth probably referred to after the flood.

Akube1z:
Six ways you can seek for the Mercy of God

1) You must accept God as your Lord and personal saviour. You must be with God , So the Lord can be with you.

2) You must believe in God, Jesus, , holy spirit and God's messengers

3) You must be Merciful to people, poor people etc

4) You should love mercy, walk humbly and do jusly

5) You must learn to forgive

6) Be thankful to God, by Praising and worshipping Him.

Romans 9:13-19
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." 
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

Omooba77:
Why do men repeat same error in the Bible?

It's human/sin nature.

Roman's 7:15-20
For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

shadeyinka:
Never be destroyed by another flood!

That's true but you forget his promise before that.

Genesis 8:21-22

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

That means whether through flood or what not, he will never again destroy earth.

paxonel:
The belief of end of the world comes from colonial mentality. The truth is, the moment you die that's the end of your world, life continues after that. There is no place in the bible that suggest that this world will have a dramatic end . But rather,

Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

What is the field represent in this parable?
The field represent this world. Matthew 13:38

So, this world will never end.
A sensible reader will put these words together and think, and understand.

When any pastor today come to tell you that this world will have a dramatic end, he is not talking from the spirit of God, he is only assuming things away from scriptures.

Even the promise to Noah was that the world will never be destroyed.

Heaven and hell was invented to give people some level of conscience because there are some crimes that no amount of punishment seems fair enough.
Imagine some one like Hitler who masterminded the murder of millions of Jews. What punishment could seem fair for such crime?

The irony is that there's no proof of either heaven or hell other than the fact that they are mentioned in the bible, today and Koran.

Other religions don't even share the same sentiments. When a person dies, that's the end of it.

Before the advent of christianity and islam in Nigeria, our ancestors had their beliefs too which did not involve any heaven or hell.

What you see today is just like the bible said, there is a major falling away from biblical beliefs because over time people have come to find that it is not realistic.
There are those who had given their lives and service to biblical doctrines but ended up with nothing to point as their gain. In fact there is no difference between a devout Christian or muslim and an unbeliever.
Every one goes through the same challenges in life and occasional bouts of luck which cannot be attributed to anything other than fate.

So the idea that some people no longer believe in heaven or hell is not even novel but has been like that over the years. You should google the several times that people have been hoodwinked into donating all their property to the church all in the name of these end times preachers.

MuttleyLaff:
You aren't even man enough to own up to your mistake and bad learning. Was it not you above who typed that Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, huh?

Why are you unwilling to show on here in white and black, where the Bible stats that prophet Elijah, according to you, was take-in a chariot of fire, hmm? Instead of you to acknowledge you unnecessarily read more into the Bible, telling lies that Elijah went up in a chariot you're busy trying this pathetic attempt to brush your blunder under the carpet.

Will you just keep quiet. Whats the matter with you sef

John 21:23, is incontrovertible proof that Apostle John can never be argued to not die. The Bible never said Enoch and Elijah never died. In fact 365 years are the total number of years the Bible says Enoch lived. Now if Enoch did not die, then Enoch by now should be circa 6000 years old, nobi so?

Fyi, what Elijah in 2 Kings 2:11 and Philip. Acts 8:39, have in common, is the force that got hold of, snatched and lifted them away. Think of the force that parted the Red Sea, wide enough for the Israelites to walk on a dry sea bed to the promised land

If it makes you sleep well at night, please enjoy ignorantly aiding and abetting spreading all these your false and misleading information here on this thread, smh sigh

Why are you deviating?
Whether he was taken in a chariot of fire or whirlwind, which occurred simultaneously, the fact of the matter is that he did not die but was taken to heaven.

If you don't want to accept that, then write your own version of the bible with whatever twists and concoctions that make you happy.

Splinz:
I understand.

However, we are also enjoined to, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" II Timothy 2:15.

So it's not enough to just quote the Bible. Are you quoting it rightly?



Are you sure Elijah did not die? Can you prove it? After the "chariot of fire" incident, do you know where Elijah was taken to?

Be careful not to make assumptions. PROVE IT!

Whilst it is true that Elijah was indeed taken into heaven. The question is: WHICH HEAVEN?

Throughout the Bible, the word “heaven” is used to describe three locations: First, there is the atmosphere that envelops the earth; this is the first heaven. Next, the vast regions of outer space are collectively referred to as “heaven,” or “the heavens” (Psalms 115:16); this is the second heaven. Finally, the location of God’s throne is specifically called “the third heaven” by Paul (II Cor. 12:2).

Since no human being has ever ascended into the third-heaven - God's throne, even David is not in heaven (John 3:13, Acts 2:34), only two possibilities remain for Elijah;

1. Outer space

2. The atmosphere or clouds (1 Thes. 4:17)

We also know for a fact that human beings can't breath in space, so then, we are left with the ATMOSPHERE OR CLOUDS as the only option for Elijah. This is the only logical conclusion considering the facts.

Elijah was indeed taken into the atmosphere or clouds, supernaturally. Actually, he was transported to another location on earth, where he lived the remainder of his days in accordance with the Scripture. Also note, clouds, as mentioned in 1 Thes. 4:17, are only a few miles above the earth. In fact, flying an airplane is in a sense, going to heaven.

Further proof that Elijah was transported to another location is this. Few years after he was taken away, Elijah wrote a letter to Jehoram, king of Judah, rebuking him for his evil ways (II Chron. 21:12). Of course, this can only happen on Earth, not in heaven!

Regards.

No where in the bible was it stated that Elijah was translated to another location.
What was stated was that he was taken to heaven. His next mention was in the book of Malachi 4:5 which says that he would return which Jesus confirmed was John the Baptist.

That Elijah wrote a letter in 2 Chronicles 21:12 does not mean it was a later date after he was taken to heaven.
If you've ever read the books of Chronicles you would have observed that events already documented in the books of Samuel and Kings were also repeated in Chronicles.

I'm glad you quoted the verse "...rightly dividing the word of truth." This is not to be mistaken for complicating scriptures but rather simplifying it.

it is not about what is written alone but how it is read and understood. Luke 10:26
2 Peter 3:15-16 Stop trying to twist scriptures.

The bible states it in clear terms that Elijah was taken to heaven in 2 Kings 2:11.
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared aachariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and bElijah went up by acwhirlwind into heaven. 

There's nothing to argue here.

MuttleyLaff:
My dear sire, with the utmost respect, you're simply sharing what the Bible never explicitly stated nor implied. You sire, in fact, are regurgitating information, when put under the light, exposes bad learning

I dont know what Bible translation version you've been reading that states that prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire.

Sire, are you 10000% sure that 2 Kings 2:11-12, states that prophet Elijah never died, and to make this worse, are you also confidently saying that prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, huh?

Please kindly type out here, word for word, anywhere in the Bible, that states prophet Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire, lmso. Thank you in advance for granting this humble request

"¹⁹Jesus said this to tell how Peter would die and bring honor to God. Then he said to Peter, “Follow me!”
²⁰Peter turned and saw Jesus' favorite disciple following them (i.e. Apostle John)
He was the same one who had sat next to Jesus at the meal and had asked, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”
²¹When Peter saw this disciple, he asked Jesus, “Lord, what about him?”
²²Jesus answered, “What is it to you, if I want him to live until I return? You must follow me.”
²³So the rumor spread among the other disciples that this disciple would not die.
But Jesus did not say he (i.e. Apostle John) would not die.
He simply said, “What is it to you, if I want him (i.e. Apostle John) to live until I return?”
(i.e. However, Jesus did not say that he (i.e. Apostle John) would not die,
but only, “If I want him (i.e. Apostle John) to remain until I return, what is that to you?)"
- John 21:19-23

No where in the Bible is Enoch implied not dying or not to ever die. What happened was that, Enoch was made to die earlier than the coming death that happened 120 years, after his son Methuselah died. That was the death Enoch was taken away from and to not die from.

As for Apostle John, the disciple, the one whom Yahshua aka Jesus loved, he was the only one among the apostles, who died a natural physical death, as the other apostles died gruesome and extremely unpleasant deaths as martyrs.

John 21:23, is incontrovertible proof that Apostle John was never in the Bible implied to not die. All these your misinformation is nothing other than just the sae old rumour, that you 2000 years later, have fallen a victim to, and ignorantly aiding and abetting spreading this false information here on this thread, smh sigh

I wouldnt bother going into asking you why is it that, Yahshua aka Jesus, handed over the care of His mother, Mary into the hands of Apostle John, the disciple, the one whom Yahshua aka Jesus loved, and no other disciple/apostle, as I know, you'll defo won't understand the question enough to give the correct answer, lmso.

I think you like to read your own meaning into the bible otherwise there's no arguing whether or not Elijah was taken up after chariot of fire appeared. It was clearly stated in 2Kings 2:11.
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 

This is different from Philip. Acts 8:39
When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.

While Enoch and John the beloved can be argued, Elijah's case was clearly stated. He did not die.

Darnley:
Pls read my comment from the beginning of this thread.
Also read the following scripture and decide what to believe

Psalm89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? 
Rom.5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Psalm 82:6-7
6 have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Eccl.3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die;

Eccl.8:8 There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neitherhath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

1Kings19: 4 But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers. 

Elijah requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers. This is where Elijah signed his death warrant and granted by God.This is the reason God told him to anoint Elisha in his place

While it is appointed for every man to die. God made exception with Enoch, Elijah and John the Beloved according to the bible.

Just the same way an exception was made for Jesus to be born without an earthly father. God makes exceptions whenever he wants to.

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon even you too as well. Smh head

OK, oya, let's have this sorted out
1/ Where does the Bible say, Enoch and Elijah did not die, like the way every other normal people dies?
2/ Why wouldnt Enoch and Elijah die, just like every other normal people do die?
3/ What is the valid, legal and legitimate reason for Enoch and Elijah not to die, that has since after them hasn't been met that it be copied by others?
4/ What are Enoch and Elijah physiological make up, that qualifies them to be immortal, be indestructible, be deathless, lmso?

The bible clearly stated that Enoch was teleportedly taken away, a similar way Elijah and Philip were transported to a different location.

Death, is inevitable to all human beings. There is no exception to the long Genesis 2:17 - "....you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”"

I'm simply sharing what the bible stated.
Elijah never died but was taken in a chariot of fire. 2 Kings 2:11-12.

Enoch and John the Beloved not dying was implied and not as detailed as Elijah

Kobojunkie:
@Op, the second coming of Christ is not going to happen in your lifetime.

So, you should focus your energy instead on making sure you are born again and guaranteed a place in God's Kingdom for when your time comes!

Do you have any idea how many times God has supposedly come again?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture

naijablog1:
A man who with the handle “@HrhKingAlex” has taken to his twitter page to tell how the founder of the Living Faith Miinistries A.K.A Winners Chapel, Bishop David Oyedepo placed a heavy curse on his roommate when they were undergraduates.

Suprisingly, he said his “Cursed” friend is doing better than even they that were not cursed.

Read his post below…. https://80naija.com/bishop-oyedepo-placed-a-curse-on-my-roommate-cu-guy-is-living-his-best-life-now-friend/

Oyedepo has found a way to justify placing curses on the people he is supposed to bless.
The irony is that he has managed to pass this down to the both his pastors and members.
They call it holy anger.

I pity those who don't read their bible and only swallow hook line and sinker those whatever their pastor tells them.

Darnley:
In Genesis 5:22-24,
the bible say" And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.This statement has been misinterpreted to mean that Enoch did not died and was taken to heaven. But looking at the description of those who we believe died from verse 3 to 20 you will notice this expression "all his days" and it means that the person lived for that length of time only "and he died." the same was said of Enoch in verse 23 to mean Enoch died after he lived for 365years.
Also,the phrase "he was not" mean to say he died.Ithen Matt.2:17-18 Bible say, "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not ".
The verses above speak of the infants that were killed by the order of king Herod in a way to kill Jesus.
The scripture say,they are not meaning they died.How then do people say, Enoch did not die.reading Hebrew 11:1-13 you will find out that from Abel vs4 to Sarah vs12 of the genealogy of faith die as stated in verse 13.Enoch is inclusive.
Bible also say Enoch was translated,but what does translated mean

The original Greek word for "translate" is metatithemi.According to Arndt-Gingrich's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1969 edition, the primary meaning is to "convey to another place . . . transfer" (p. 514).

The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16. Here we read that after Jacob died his body was "carried over"—transported, translated—to Sychem where he was buried! That's what your Bible says! Jacob was transported or translated to the place of burial!

the Greek word for "carried over" in Acts7:16 is the same Greek word for "translate" in Heb.11:5 I.e G3346
That is why Moses said that God took Enoch. God removed—translated—him so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him,just as He did to Moses.

Some believe,he was taken to heaven,but Jesus said, in Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Nairaland,I need your opinion for or against

Enoch and Elijah did not die like normal people do.
While Elijah's case was clearly expressed, the bible did not share how Enoch was taken.

But it is believed that he was taken away and did not die.

KingAzubuike:
SARS can't and will never be ended. Their demise will cause more harm than good.

Even if it is not ended, a much needed reform must be effected.

osamz007:
The revolution is coming and they won't be able to contain it

Leave Ekpoma youths oh, they are just violent by nature.
In fact dem fit no even know what ENDSARS mean, their own na just to cause trouble.

flyingpig:
Comrade Adeyemi Azeez don kill this movement.

Shameless idiot without a ball between his legs he has never even protested against the continued lockdown of universities owing to ASUU strike, he is writing to IGP to discard people protesting for the safety of their lives.

A simp and bought willing tool. Nigerian students no get prestige again.

He has not killed any movement.
He has only killed his future as a voice of the youth.

This ENDSARS movement is not only driven by yahoo boys but by responsible youths who are been harassed daily simply because of their looks, even for having international phone number on your phone.

The real problem with SARS is that they are actually not interested in the cleaning up the society as they should but they just want to make money and rip off both the yahoo boys and innocent victims.

Na when dem hold you you go know say SARS is nobody friend but enemy of all.

I'm just glad this movement has gained international acclaim cos our govt like eye service so dem go do normal so that they can keep borrowing funds.

Abusadiq01:
Potential Atheist spotted!!!
Be warned!!!

What differentiates you from an Atheist when you go through the same issues, problems and blessings?

blacknp:
Who asked for your misconstrued opinion?

Are you so slow?
The moment you posted your issue on a public platform you already asked for public opinion.

You're just in denial cos my comment hit home.

Lukgaf:
Without doubt, we all depend on one another. By implication, we all have some debts to pay which often create grief and sadness in the heart. Meanwhile, it is recommended for a Muslim to say the following prayer to ease one of debts.

اللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي أَعْوذُ بِكَ مِنَ الهَمِّ وَالْحَزَنِ، والعَجْزِ والكَسَلِ، والبُخْلِ والجُبْنِ، وضَلْعِ الدَّيْنِ وغَلَبَةِ الرِّجَالِ

Allaahumma 'innee 'a'oothu bika minal-hammi walhazani, wal'ajzi walkasali, walbukhli waljubni, wa dhala'id-dayni wa ghalabatir-rijaali.

O Allah, I seek refuge in You from grief and sadness, from weakness and from laziness, from miserliness and from cowardice, from being overcome by debt and from being overpowered by men

Al-Bukhari 7/158.

Source: Doa & Zikr (Hisnul Muslim)

May Allah settle our debts and provide for our needs (Ameen)

One day you will get tired of all your religiosity when you realise that both you and unbelievers go through the same issues in life.

On that day you will denounce every religion and learn to live in your own terms.

fanenene:
So what is your take on this.

God does share his glory which was why he created man in his image and likeness in the first place. However, he does not want anyone to be worshipped except him.