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AmandaPrecious:
Clearly you didn't understand my response! I'm not arguing with you on whether the Caesarean method is painful or not. I'm challenging the skewed correlation you're trying to create between the method of childbirth and the attitude of mothers towards motherhood. You keep implying that women who go through painless CS do not understand or value the experience of childbirth. This was one of your first claims: ...and I want to know -- on what basis are you making this claim? This is pure speculation at best. You don't have any data to support that position. In fact, there is actual evidence indicating the exact opposite in some delivery cases!
https://bmcpregnancychildbirth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12884-023-05611-8#:~:text=The%20associations%20of%20MOD%20and,mothers%20delivering%20via%20spontaneous%20VD

The orientation of mothers towards their maternal responsibilities goes far beyond their experience during childbirth. The health of the child, the treatment from family members and health officials as well as the mother's own personality are other important factors that may have effect on how much value a mom attaches to her role as a mother.

You're a lady so I believe you should have more understanding in this than I do.
I will also do further study on it.

Here's an excerpt from the abstract of the link you shared which means there is more to child birth than science can explain- especially things that are more spiritual than logical.

Abstract
Background
The association between mode of delivery (MOD) and parent-infant-bonding has only been studied in mothers and findings have been inconclusive. The aim of this study was to prospectively investigate how MOD relates to postpartum parent-infant-bonding in both mothers and fathers and whether these associations are mediated by birth experience.

Emusan:
I don't have anything against you talking about Trinity but my main concern is staying within the corridor of POV. Going out of POV is derailing your own thread.

If you want to discuss Trinity, it's either you create a thread about it or come clear on it during the discussion on a thread.

What you have simoly said now is that if I want to talk about God or man, I should open another thread. Because no discussion about the bible is not one way or another connected to the measure of our understanding of God and Man which is what Trinity is about.

Anyway, this is my last comment on the topic with you here.
Thanks for your engagement and contribution.

Emusan:
You're the only one who knows what is moving and where it's going.



If I never mentioned Trinity, then how can it be the basis of my discussion?

I simply quote what the Bible says, Max made his own claim which I asked him to simply provide a Bible verse to support his claim.

So you ended up bringing what was never part of my discussion and try to force it in my mouth is what I don't understand here.

Was this thread about Trinity? No!

Did I mention anything like Trinity? No!

So, why must you bring Trinity into this discussion?

If you don't mind me asking, what do you have against my mentioning the word Trinity?

AmandaPrecious:
The bolded statements are unsupported and reek of sentiments. Where is your evidence that women who go through vaginal delivery care more for and/or bond better with their children than women who deliver through Caesarean surgery? Where is your evidence that a "painless delivery ... doesn't instill a sense of purpose, legacy and responsibility into a woman", huh?

The most annoying thing about ignoramuses like you is that they make bold, confident assertions about things they could possibly have no clue about.

Apparently this is a sensitive topic to you. I apologise if you were offended by the comment "painless".
But if you were to read my comment again, I agreed that both natural birth and CS are NDE especially in Nigeria
I agreed that CS is also painful.
I simply added that there are cases where CS is painless (relatively) like I've heard/read about (usually abroad). And in such cases such mothers may not understand the significance of the experience.

You can as well read about it.
Once again I apologise and I'm sincerely sorry you were offended but I was not trivialising CS. I've been through an operation before and I understand the fear of the process and the pain of the healing/recovery process

Emusan:
When Trinity was never the point of discussion!

When I never mentioned anything like Trinity!

Yet you can say "...there's a lacuna in your understanding of the Trinity."

Something must be wrong somewhere....

If the bible is about God and Man and Trinity is an explanation of God and Man, do you still not see where this is going?

The word Trinity was not mentioned by you or Max but it was the basis or your argument about Jehovah (God the Father) and Jesus (God the Son).

ChildOfDoom:
At times, we sit and reflect retrospectively on our obnoxious lifestyle since we became an adult and begin to feel penitent and sardonic.

I wish I could turn the hands of time, to the nostalgic moments of childhood with no worries.

I have lost it all. My sense of reasoning, my sanity, my finances, my peace and my health. I now intermittently wake up at night with paranoia, scared of what each new day will bring. I am a ticking bomb

When money comes, I misbehave. Later, I exude contrition when i am broke and wish to change

- for food, I only get a miserly meal now. When money was available, I was a spendthrift & prodigal, instead of planning for the tough times. The woman who gives me free food on credit till my pay comes, is now late. Lots of financially indebtedness to people

- for health, during my reckless patronage of oloshos, I sucked clitoris and their mammalian glands. This now gives me throat discomfort that alters my voice, food passage & body temperature.

- for source of income - my side hustles have been cut off. ribdo.com terminated my writing contract. The extra lesson I used to do is also off. I couldn't meet up I guess. Now I hope on the monthly bank pay that is paltry

- trustworthiness - after recently abstaining for 26 days from betting, I used both my money and customer's money (to open account) yesterday. Now I am palpitating and contemplating running. But to where I wonder. Make Dem nor arrest me or lynch me one day. Its hard even asking colleagues or friends for help. Them don tire for my matter. Just looking unkempt.

Contemplating what to sell to offset this new debt. I don already sell my generator and TV (the only asset I have) when I was flexing and patronizing olosho. Hopefully I can sell this phone to sustain me a little

Have you heard of Jesus Christ? He loves you and only He can save you from all this.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believes him should not perish but have eternal life.

Emusan:
Which point?

That there's a lacuna in your understanding of the Trinity. When you understand it better you will understand my point and every other thing in the bible will make more sense.

Emusan:
Was this thread about Trinity? No!

Did I made any point that links to Trinity? No!



Of what point does this address my point when I never talk about Trinity?

You created this thread and no where Trinity appears on it.

Ok. Exactly my point.

plaindealer:
Since 3 days ago? This man is never serious.

Just go away, we don't want your crocodile congratulations.

Set awon Judas..

Some people don't rush to make decisions.
They are led.
You will only understand this when you understand it.

edogu:
I remember reading about this incident from someone's page on Facebook. It's an old an video depicting an incident that took place during the covid-19 sit-at- home in Onitsha in 2020.

According to the gist, wife A and wife B, were cussing each other. Wife A insulted Wife B using her personal issues with her husband. One of which is her ( Wife B) regular fight with her husband.

The husband of wife B, angered by that insult, moved to beat up wife A.

The husband of wife A in return made a move to also defend his wife and that was how the whole fight issue started.

At the beginning, the members of that compound, made every effort to separate them but seeing their determination to keep up with the fight allowed them to fight on.

They fought each other with every weapon they could lay their hands on. By the time the whole fight was over, the two men were brutally injured.

While rushing them to the hospital, one died on his way while the other died at the hospital.

The essence of the narration was for men to be careful on how they dabble into women's issues.

Thanks for the narrative.
I remember watching ot then and it was an eye sore.
I perceive its being reshared even now to teach every one a lesson.

I hope people get to learn the most evident lesson, violence should only be the last resort to an issue when every other means of resolution has been exhausted.

Anger is an emotion like every other emotion. Gaining mastery of anger is the best gift anyone can receive. And it comes with knowing that you can only know the beginning of your reaction, you can never predict the outcome. Where your anger stops might be where the anger of the other person begins.

Some people are languishing in various prisons because they simoly reacted out of anger and the other person died.

Some thought they were strong but the other person had a weapon and murdered them in cold blood and probably even escaped penal justice.

Some women have destroyed potential their marriages or even their homes out of anger.
Some men have lost their wives out of anger.
Some have lost great business opportunities or job offeres because of anger.

Some ministers have lost their calling because they never got over their anger.
Moses in the bible simply overreacted to the frustrations of the israelites and he never entered the promised land he spent all his years leading them jnto. And he nearly lost his place in heaven as well, save for God's mercy.

I used to have anger issues. I had the passive aggressive type of anger common to most introverts or extroverts who don't easily address their anger.
Whenever I exploded I really would say the meanest things that could make a grown man or woman cry.

It took a lot of time to overcome it because we tend to love our anger. And the results it achieves whenever it achieves results. But the truth is it's destroying us more than it's helping us.
The Bible says be angry but do not sin for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

When one finally understands who they are especially in Christ, you no longer fight your battles. God himself deals with anyone who touches you especially when you are not in the wrong.
Whenever I find myself get angry now it's simply against gross immorality or spiritual warfare.

Prov.25.28 - Whoever has no rule over his own spirit Is like a city broken down, without walls.

I pray God delivers us from the spirit of anger and every other manifestation of the enemy in our lives in Jesus name. Amen.

HugeElephant:
Today is my birthday. Just here alone at home thinking about life and how things would change for the better.

I am at home not because I am an introvert o.
If to say money dey hand I for like arrange cabin biscuit for children and coke. Me sef go chop.

Nairaland is my family and I feel I should share my feelings with you all.
I love you all
Happy birthday to me

Birthdays are quite significant.
From your narration of how you spent your britdhay, I can tell you that you spent it well. It only would have been better if you added passionate prayers to it.

Birthdays are meant to give us an introspective time.
It is a transition into a new chapter of your life. So spending it doing some self-examination as you described here was a good one.

Making a review of how you spent the last year and setting new goals should be the objective.
To learn from past mistakes and be determined to do better.
Celebrate the good choices made and augment where there's need for improvement.

In summary, living an intentional life is what should be the goal. But as with every thing in life- the power of choice is yours to make.

Eccl.3.1 - To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven:

Ps.90.12 - So teach us to number our days, That we may gain a heart of wisdom.

God bless you in your new age. I pray that the time and set time for your mercy and favor is here in Jesus name. Amen

Blake755:
Happy birthday boss
Tho a wise man told me that the only thing worth celebrating is achievement 💯

It depends on your definition of celebration.
If you mean throwing a party, then this is true.
However if by celebration you mean engaging in what makes you happy, then he was not so wise.

Celebrate being alive.
Celebrate being healthy.
Celebrate being sane. This generation is hard.
Celebrate the things money cannot buy that you have.
Celebrate the things money can buy that you have.
Celebrate being able to eat good food and good things.

Emusan:
I said my post WAS never about Trinity.

Was it?

And I replied that every thing is hinged on our understanding of Trinity.

There are some understanding of scriptures we can't really get until we have a deeper understanding of the Trinity of God and Man.

plaindealer:
There's nothing devined about betrayal, it's even one thing to betray, but betraying your own professional political benefactor who championed your success for decades from state commissioner to the second most powerful seat in Nigeria is another thing..

He not only betrayed, he did it openly,he insulted and ridiculed Tinubu and even threw subliminal jabs at Tinubu which to me crossed the line, he practically made his loss personal.

He refused to support and campaign for Tinubu, now he's congratulating the president days after court judgment when the we've all moved on.

This congratulation rubbish is either an after thought or he was admonished and advised to congratulate.


The fact that this so called educated man is allergic to the political concept of winning and losing says a lot about him as a person.

Did he ever openly insult or ridicule BAT?

It's easy to critique him when you're not the one in his precarious position.

1. He has tasted Power- the number 2 position of the federation. Power is a very powerful temptation.
He may be a Pastor but he is also a man.

2. Majority of Nigerians wanted him as the next president. If he had clinched the primary, it would have mostly been an easy win for him.

3. Like I said, some of us had idolised him due to his stint as acting president when ot seemed every thing was suddenly working well when Buhari was being treated. His professional, political and spiritual dexterity really wowed some of us. He was more or less an angel to me.
Some of us idolised him and more would have idolised him had he become president. Pretty muchthe way Obidients have idolized Peter Obi, of course in a more civilised manner.

4. Betrayal can really hurt. But I believe PBAT with time will get to let it slide.

garriAndsugar:
1)are most of the generation involved in drugs becoming president?
2)did he nit forfeit $460k in short he made 460k a special number because anytime you hear $460k. his name comes next.
3) which certificate did he use to enter CSU and why did he forge the one he submitted to inec.
4)Deliotte denied knowing him. this day newspaper carried the news.
5) How many of them said power should be grabbed and snatched by force?

There's so much I could try to help you see but it isn't worth my time and energy.

garriAndsugar:
Did he or did he not?

1. Check. Most of this generation have been involved in drugs as dealer or user at some point or still doing it. So who are we to judge?
2. Grey area I can't delve into.
3. Don't know about other certificates but certainly not his CSU certificate as your godfather Atiku claims and was lost at PEPC.
4. Apparently he worked for Deloitte.
5. Which of them didn't do the same? Directly or indirectly.

helinues:
Happy birthday Madam Margaret.

Age with Grace ma

Yesso. She married a formidable opposition leader.
Happy birthday to her. God's Goodness and Mercy be with her even in her new age.

garriAndsugar:
happy birthday my Original first lady

mere looking at her you will see she has peace of mind because her husband did not:

1)engage in drug activities
2)launder and forfeit $460k of drug money
3) forge certificates
4)Lie about working for deloitte
5)snatch and grab power by all cost

I was going to sheathe all weapons and celebrate a good lady. But you just had to ruin it.

Anyway, you can't curse who God has blessed and remain unscathed. So no need to even say another word to you. You have judged yourself.

Emusan:
But my post was never about Trinity!

Read our previous posts, your response to my first mention of Trinity.

IconicR:
I still have it in me but maybe will opt for an online thing later in life
When I newly came to nairaland I was just in religion section till these people dragged me out of there and changed my view about nairaland
I learnt work well and gave it back to them

I understand.
Pray about it. Grace multiplied to you.

Emusan:
Are you sure, you quote the right post?

It's aptly in response to your post on Trinity. Every thing concerns the Trinity.

IconicR:
That's a lie, I wasn't distracting them in any way
I was just doing my thing then, I didn't even know anything about men kos I was reporting everything to my mom till my dad bound me from doing it
My pastor was also in support
Even though I was big and look very matured but I was just 13-15 years that time.
You won't understand, these guys out there can be very crazy

That was wise judgment on their part.
At that age some guys would have taken advantage of your naivity.
Your beauty should however not deter you anymore simoly ask for divine grace and wisdom to go about it. Do reconsider it. It is what touches the heart of God the most- soul-winning. 2 Cor 5:18-20

Prov.11.30 - The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, And he who wins souls is wise.

SyrusdeHansome:
RIP great man. U were a shining light in the body of christ.

He has a good testimony from so many.
This is celebration of life and a transition into glory by God's grace.

TemplarLandry:
Good one!
But I'm afraid we don't trust you no more.
You ran against us.

This is my political role model oh. I fit fight you oh.lol
I believe his betrayal was divinely orchestrated.
He was already idolised by some of us.

God really doesn't like it when we idolise anyone. When we give his glory to man.

So he picks who we least expect to be worthy of ruling Nigeria instead. Just for us to know that He is the one that will take the glory.

I believe in due time, BAT and PYO will re-unite.
Ambode and Fashola have been in his shoes before and today BAT has let bygone be bygone.

fineboynl:
If a man doesn't marry when he is broke. Marriage become difficult when he is rich. Especially getting the right one without money influence or family interference.

Ask any successful rich guys they will admit the simple fact about getting the right one since everyone is drawn to success.

You think it's difficult for a man?
Ask single successful ladies. It's like picking a needle in a haystack.

Feintline:
With all due respect shame on Pst osinbanjo for congratulating a criminal in his quest to destroy Nigeria.

The land has been desecrated.
The ancient landmark of Nigeria has been desecreated and removed by a combination of criminal judges and a criminal desperate drug dealer.

Nigeria is standing on one leg now courtesy of criminal men and women in robes.
The land is mourning. And a pastor who should know better is congratulating the criminal.

My Joy is that PO and AA have proceeded to the supreme court.
There will be no chance to say , they didn't come and so we should not be held responsible.

If the nation and democracy will be destroyed , let it come from the highest court in land.

Once again , with all due respect shame on Pst osinbanjo.

He owes you no explanation or obligation since he was never your pastor.
His sheep that God gave him know him and they hear his voice.

Your lot already criminalised him under Buhari because you're already politically biased.

TheBillyonaire:
The Judgement was written by Tinubu Legal Team and submitted to the Presidential Election Petition Tribunal panel to read.

They were paid off handsomely.

I hope Tinubu succeeds, I wish him well. Now I know crime pays, and not every criminal can be caught. Peter Obi needs to understand that Good can only defeat evil with a tint of entropy. There is need for the good to wage war for liberation of a people.

If not because they owe well-meaning Nigerians an explanation, I would have counseled them not to bother responding to foolish propaganda by the usual purveyors of fake news.
We don't expect a leopard to change its skin.

That energy could have been put into productive use.

Emusan:
Nothing even concerns TRINITY here.



Nothing like spiritually, Jesus owns everything in the universe and the Bible says Jesus is rich. Considering when such statement never used for Adam.



Jesus is rich for God to pen this down from Holy Spirit through His apostle shows no one's come close.

Every thing about the bible hinges on your understanding of Trinity.

While Jesus Christ was physically on earth, he was not God the Father. Hence He could only have/do whatever God the Father decided/willed he should have/do in that moment/hour.

John.5.19 - Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

Emusan:
He is wrong.



That a rich man willed all his properties to a son doesn't mean the son is rich.



Then there shouldn't be a need of this thread, since Adam willed everything to his sons and we're his sons.

But you created this thread because you know what riches are individual not by WILL.



God never WILL to Christ but CHRIST CREATED AND OWNS EVERYTHING.

The challenge here is our different understanding of Trinity.

Spiritually Jesus Christ is the richest
Materially Adam should be the richest but he lost it to Satan.
Hence materially King Solomon is the richest.
Spiritually and materially, Abraham can be said to be the richest.

ayandee:
CS recovery is no joke. The pain you feel after the analgesics and numbness wear off... that first walk to the bathroom.

I know. I've had a NDE before that needed operation. It took me about a month to fully recuperate.

Neither of it is painless. I simply meant relatively. Due to the analgesic the pain of CS is relatively less. Though the healing takes longer than natural birth.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're wrong!

What did Jesus possess when he was in the flesh?
He himself said:

“Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” Matthew 8:20

Meaning Jesus no get anything in the flesh all he has are his disciples nothing more!

He chose to be.
Whenever he needed to feed 7000, 4000, etc he simply multiplied whatever was available.
He fed more people than King Solomon.