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Hey Yoruba guys. . . . slow it down , Igbos are earnestly wishing to escalate the fury in hope that an action will brew into carnage of Hausas and thefere open an avenue for their own actualization. Remember they cant do aything on their own, they need to us! We are their surrogate fathers, until our blessing is given, Igbo is nothing in this country!

Afam is right. If we all emulate the Igbos travelling, ONE Nigeria will be a reality. You'll only disagree with this because of ride or ethnic affiliations. If we all had the Igbo travelling mentality, this country will not be where it is today.

You should look into the history of Yoruba inter-tribal and intra-continental trade culture and tradition.  Long before Igbo knew where Hausaland was or Ashanti land or Songhay land, Yorubas have been doing commerce across the land.  What you notice in Igbo is loudness, not necessarily a commanding presence.  If 5 of them setlle an area, they label it 500 Igbos.  If its 500,000, they call it 5million.  Mouth and falsehood!!

Nigerians have seen MEND(Ijaw), Boko Haram (Hausa/Fulani), and OPC (Yoruba). Pray we don't see MASSOB (Igbos) going gaga. All these will be child's play if we just as much as fiddle with it.

We did already!  They were on highway with protest placards calling for UN support against Boko Haram.  Stooopppiiddd rerrrrtarrrrds!!

Only a few days ago, ibo spare part dealers were roasted in their shops, what happened? Nothing! You just lick your wounds, then come to Nairaland and abuse Yorubas for not dismembering Nigeria for you. Clowns.

Aigbofa,

Clowns is appropriate label.     Two months ago their own version of Boko, the terrorists popularly known as MASSOB took to highway with placards to protest Boko Haram attacks on their citizens.  

Oduduwa Peoples Congress is our human rights defenders in the West, . . . like Adekunle said - We dont want see no Red Cross, no Caritas, no Pope, and in this case, we have our ow Human Rights (OPC), we don't eed United Nations to defend our rights.   Boko Haram dare target any Oduduwa land, GEJ thinks he has a big problem. . . . he will face an Amazon of problems in the aftermath!  

Guns ad rifles are only a small display to send a political message, you dont need to brig out the demolishers to prov your point to the enemy!

True talk Lag!

I know when two days or so ago when the Yoruba human rights defenders, popularly known as OPC came out with a few cache of ammo and weapons and dared BH to target any part of Yorubaland, my Igbo brothers were her mocking ad derriding their demonstration of resolve. Not too far ago, MASSOB in the East took to the streets with placards and protest on the highway as a show of condemnation for BH. What the East need is to display and match its talk with action for a stop to the wanton killing of Biafran citizens in the North. Until you do that, nobody takes you serious, however much you lament your empty bravery.

Specifically, they do not want to admit the possibility that the Ife and related artworks were and are of higher quality than theirs

They feel they are the king & Queens of the world,

I got the same conclusion to that comment on the CNN article. Their acceptance of these truths is going to be slow and painful. I say that because they have built a value system around the belief that white is the savior of all native peoples. Erasing that value system and replacing it with an African-centered value system will kill off not just their society but also their version of christianity. A huge risk!! It will explain why Mohammed Bello's book was suppressed, why Mohammed Masani's book was suppressed, why Samuel Johnson's book was suppressed and why the published copy was edited. Europe has built a massive myth around Atlantis being a white civilization, changing that story and making it a black civilization will almost put a question on everything else from Plato downward to the binary codes and the 256 series of the computer technology.

Okay, you've partly answered my questions at post #342. I'm guessing that they were also used as symbols of authority and proof of lineage. As was mentioned on that blog it seems this was why Rachael held on to Laban's teraphims. Do you know if there is any link between the these family lineage totems and their orikis

Amor4ce,

I started to answer you sometime yesterday but was pulled away by some work.

Yes, totems were used as proof of identity and social hierarchy. Many people might not know this but in addition to the face scarification (ila) in Yorubaland, there were also body tattoos for identification. I don't know how many there of the totems but I am aware of Erin and Agbo. Agbo is the ram and belongs to the Esos (military or warriors) lineage. While totem is the staff of recognition, oriki is the anthem of patriotism and heroic acts.

A while back in a discussion on why GOD ordained Moses as a Prophet but commissioned Aaron as the voice of confrontation against Pharaoh, it was mentioned that Aaron had all the qualities of militancy in him and was thus more fitting a person to confront.

In astrology the sign of confrontation and militancy (force and power) is Ares or Aries. This sign is also the one symbolized by the ram. Ares is ruled by the planet Mars, which is a cryptic code for Ram (read backward without the s). Actually you can drop the s in both Ares and Mars and you have "Are and Mar".

If the Yoruba warriors, Oso have the ram totem and their general is titled Aare, then I wonder if this was also one of those events that our beloved academicians would like to dismiss as a mere coincidence.

Are there more than one Odumchi in NL? Did you not participate on a post with Ogbuefi, Chinenyen, Agbotaen, Exotic, Physics and rest and I was talking about Ogbuefi's propaganda for land grab?

Anyway, I will let it go.

I don't know about Michelin, but Mukinatou is a very nice and charming person to work with so I wish you great luck. In fact Michelin and I started off as enemies before we became friends.

Mukinatou, no problem nah

Please before you make Exotic moderator let us know. In case you don't know, Exotic, that's a tree-top habitating monkey, very useless boy.

You all have a blessed day!

I have a lot to say but I'm waiting for his body to go in groud first. I don't think I can keep my mouth shut till February, it's a long time to restrain my tongue and that's unacceptable to me.

Wow!!! Ileke, just for posting these attributes alone, GOD has earmarked immense rewards for you.

You may not kow but you have also listed some of what Jews and Muslims call names or attributes of GOD. They have high potency for cosmogenic emanations. may God bless you.

Some of them are also used as family orikis as well, like the one with Lion of Judah and the one with Ajanaku. These are families with totems.

Attributes like the following give the dual ad polarized aspect.

Alewilese, (He that can Speak and Act)

Aleselewi, (He that can Act and Speak)

Akiri s'ore, as'ore kiri - Goes about doing good, Does good everywhere

This attribute below confers the power of infinity if you drop the O. It becomes a continuum.

Oyigiyigi

Another infiity below to demonstrate the unending reach and presence of GOD:

[quote]Arabaribi aribiraba[/QUOTE]


In ordinary usage it makes no difference whether you spell it "Kabiyesi" or "Kabiyeesi", but in using attributes to supplicate GOD, there is a difference between the two spellings. A double consonant or vowel is used to merge the finite with the ifinite or mortal to the immortal.

There is a God in us mortals, hence to manifest the God within we merge the essence of the particular attribute using the cosmogenical essence of duality or double as channell of transmission for our supplications. . .

Example:

Kabiyesi Oba anu, wa siju anu wo mi. Mighty GOD of mercy, grant mercy upon me. [here I need help - vulnerable]
Kabiyeesi Oba anu, si anu okan mi. Mighty GOD of mercy, unveil mercy in my heart. [here I am the help - powerful]

Happy New Year, may Allah open our hearts to his presence, Amen.

You have done very well, we all are impressed with the improvements you have made in these forums and with the no-nonsense attitude of Michelin calling people to order before things get out of hand, it's been awesome, a great transformation! Thank you! I am watching Odumchi and hope to see him begin to demonstrate sound qualities soon.

You know that's the most difficult thing for me to do. . . go into archives to dig posts up. He knows what Im talking about, Negro is no stranger to him.

Amor4ce,

That blog site is interesting. I know Yorubas also use the totem as a social emblem of lineage and class but never connected it that far into the roots . My lineage totem is 'Erin".

I'm often never on the same side of issues with Odumchi, but on this one Nri, I agree with the riff-raff that Igbo girls do wear head beads. Frankly I dont know any culture in South that the women do not use beads to adorn from head to ankles.

Mukina, Sallam Alaikum! How u be my sister?

I wiil let im confess, Odumchi, Mukinatou wan know how bad u've been behaving. Tell her our excahnges on tribal issues, you rascal.

Nna, what are you comparing. . . .what is the basis for comparison whe we kow that Edo influenced the Igbos on the western bank of River Niger? You should showcase your inheritance from Edo rather than making it appear the two are peer civilizations.

Michelin, was it you or Mukina2 that made Odumchi a moderator? Who said he could be moderator here? Next time you take a feedback survey from the general member population before you install any riff-raff as a moderator in this section.

Hey Odumchi, I got ma eyes on you. . . . . .if I hear you say one word against Yoruba, well, I don't need to complete the statement. Oh my, Odumchi a moderator, in cultural section for that matter!! ah, me chionu!!

Anonymous, I like that blowup, look Great! For the heads, stay blue!


Tpia, you and Amor4ce have different approach or style of unveiling the messages in these arts. Your approach is academic, his approach is cultural, you are liberal with the ideas and looking outward, he is conservative and focused inward. There is no need to disrespect, the forum can accomodate both of you and many other views on the arts. Ok dear?

MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS,

Whether you are Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa, and many other minorities, please I beg you in the ame of GOD, please let Emeka rest in his death. There is an African rites of passage for the dead ones and we are not observing those. Give him respect at least for the body to go in the ground before you express disgust or whatever else negative need to be vented. .

We are all humans and none of us is perfect, Emeka was no exception.

Everywhere you look, there is face of GOD! 

There are two things I'd like to say here. 

First, Esu is not devil or a malevolent energy.  I have wondered and tried in many ways to uncover how Esu became the devil.  Of all the energies or forces or archetype a human soul need to keep close to his/her bosom, in sleep or in waking moments, Esu is one of them.  Oyibo put a cover over our eyes and we continue to wear the veil. It is time we shed the veil and re-establish ESU's reverence the way our forefathers revered him. He is not devil, he is not anti-GOD, he is of-GOD!  I wonder if Esu is Jesus, the way Imanuel (another name for Jesus) is Iman. 

Second, worshipping northern stars in the Arctic will be spiritual practice.  If we tell them not to worship the face and way GOD is revealing Himself to them and instead to face GOD revelation in Middle East then that should be called 'religion".  It is not a conflict to practice both spirituality and religion if in both the presence of GOD is affirmed.  I can be a Muslim and read the Bible and practice IFA also.  There is nothing in IFA that denies the oneness of GOD, in fact IFA reveals GOD and the cosmic purpose far better than most other religions do.

Amor4ce,

When you say you received a revelation, I understand what you mean. These other folks are not in the dimension you are talking about.

Anyway, yes, Dawodu is a first born son or heir while Bere is the female equivalent. Yoruba is an ancient Hebrew tongue that is not even spoken today in Middle East. It was the tongue of the original Hebrews - Canaans! In that tongue, Bere means a begining or a start.

Prophet David was the seventh child, not the first, so what could explain the ame David for him if the two cultures share the meaning? David may not have been his birth name. Abraham was given a new name, so was Isaac, Jesus had Imanuel as part of his name. David may be a rename to confer on him a first heirarchy.

The Heads are speaking. . . . ."we love blue"!


Let's step back for a moment and cast our gaze on a different dimension in the Yoruba origins,   

For those who say Ile-Ife is the origin of Yoruba and the primordial birthplace of the human race, then you are accepting that other civilizations took their root from Ile-Ife. 

For those who say AfroAsia is the origin of the Yoruba and the primordial birthplace of human race, you are also accepting that civilizations started in AfroAsia.

Either way, Yoruba is central in the history and narrative of ancient civilizations.  We should then have the reason and justification to snatch away most of the Grecko-Roman mythologies as Yoruba creation or model.  Plato, one of the most revered Grecko-Roman philosophers was for a long time credited as a steward of Roman scholarship, until new evidences surfaced that confirmed he was indeed a student of Egyptian arts and philosophy. Historians then agreed that Roman philosophy is built on the Egyptian model.

There are far too may things common with the Yoruba antiquity and that of Mediterranean that the latter cannot escape the many questions of where it got its mythical gods and sunken Atlantis from.

Yoruba is the only culture with a god directly associated in name and divine attribute with Atlantis - Oba Atala or Obatala.  This would mean Atlantis itself is a derivative from Yoruba word, ATALA.

Kilode,  I like your response to the op question .   

Why do many adherents of the Yoruba traditional religion insist on worshipping the orisha instead on the One who created the heaven and the earth and all their inhabitants despite acknowledging that they were once people like ourselves

?

Worship and prayers are a daily regimen.  There is a saying that "we should not go to the well too frequently".  The lesson is that in watering the garden, washing the car, bathing the dog. . . . . we might run the well dry and be without water when we most need it for sanitary, food, drink and so on.

This practice of approaching GOD through auxiliary powers is not limited to Yoruba religion alone.  The presence of GOD, when we knock at his door, should not be reduced to a routine demand. 

For this reason, the Jews will pray and call upon the attributes of Him; and the Christians also will pray and call on His attributes; and so likewise the Muslims.  The Jews have what they call 77 names of GOD that is very potent for praying.  Catholics do too and even use the rosary to do repetitions of the attributes.  Muslims have 99 names that they use likewise.  There are also other attributes of lesser counts - 11, 33 and so on.

These attributes are personalized - The Beloved, The Praiseworthy, The Gracious, The Beneficient. . . .

Wey my pouch make I spray this Queen with money.

AWESOME performance!!

In fact that's exactly what Campbell did, took a bold step and spoke to the fact the Minoans were intimate with the sea and at the peak of their civilization and international trade partnered with distant lands they held in esteem as civilized peers.  How would they know Yoruba was a high society and a good partner?  From the Minoans intimacy with the history and legacy of the Phoenicians (Canaans).

Go and read Solomon's story when Sheba visited him.  The Queen from the land of ivory, gold and slaves.

I want see no Red Cross, no Caritas, no World Council of Churches, no pope, no missionary, and no United Nations Delegation. I want to prevent even one Igbo from having even one piece to eat before their capitulation. We shoot at everything that moves and when our troops march into the center of Igbo territory, we shoot at everything even a things that don’t move”—Benjamin Adekunle

Adekunle haters will be shot. . . . survivors will be shot again!!

Physics,

Buddy, I went back and read your response a second time and it is hard not to share this with you; that your objectivity and interest is in question. You interjected gaps in interpretation with your own understanding and present them as the intent of the author. Will you please steer clear of speaking for authors and present what you believe and know. Let us individually assess the presentations and make our own judgement. I know you will say some Yoruba authors also believe as you do, my question remain valid for all of you and the white men as well - the first book you can reference as credible on the origin must also subsist on a transmission from somebody. . . . .who was that somebody and how was the transmission done? You cannot dismiss the oral transmissions whithout equally dismissing the books that were written based on oral recollections.

Here is the quote from page 10 of the book The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell. It is talking about King Minos or Minoa of Crete:

"The Cretan empire had greatly prospered under the sensible jurisdiction of this celebrated lawgiver and model of public virtue. Knossos, the capital city, became the luxurious, elegant center of the leading commercial power of the civilized world. The Cretan fleets went out to every isle and harbor of the Mediterranean; Cretan ware was prized in Babylonia and Egypt. The bold little ships even broke through the Gates of Hercules to the open ocean, coasting then northward to take the gold of Ireland and the tin of Cornwall, as well as southward, around the bulge of Senegal, to remote Yorubaland and the distant marts of ivory, gold and slaves."

Physics,

I read your response.

In summary you are saying: Sultan Bello does not kow the Yorubas, Yorubas who passed down oral histories of these accounts cannot be trusted, Yoruba Muslims are different from Yoruba Christians in their uderstanding of the origin, Samuel Johnson repeated the errors of Bello. . . .the only people who got it right ad know the true history of the Yorubas are the ones who wrote and published books with academic support, many of whom are white of European roots. Isn't that INCREDIBLE!!!

You are yet to respond to my earlier question. Who was the authentic source from which white man got the story that you claim is credible?

Apparently the nairaland resident Yoruba tribalists are not on the same page with those Yorubas on the ground. lol

Fashola, Tinubu and all what the Yoruba leaders have said are consistent with what we in NL have said. Ojukwu is a great man but he had great misfortunes with his impulses. May he rest in peace!

1. why twins are venerated among the yoruba

2. when exactly did this veneration start. [hard one, for sure].

Culturally I'd have to say it's a reference to semitic cultures and must have been a custom practiced in the abandoned land and they settled with it into the aboriginal land.

In ritual ceremonies, Twins is two or duality! The theme in IFA itself is two; opposite pair of finite transcending into GOD the infinite. Where the one attempts to become like GOD, it is handicapped by the opposite other and thus the ambition is shunted. This is the meaning in the struggle of life. The struggle to fight and overcome the inner conflict so one can be freed to unite with the divine - the source! This is what Eshu is.

We need the archetype to sharpen our sense of discipline in order to win the battle against the ego and thus having been purged and purified we stand in the league of illuminated souls and can earn the reward waiting for us with Obatala. Obatala is purity, only the illumined can be in his presence. Eshu is the purgator of the nonsense trapped within us that hold us back, the self-defeating voice within.