₦airaland Forum

Kenai:
Tell me, if you want to wash your car engine, don't you first turn it off before washing it? The same applies for the power stations. You have to turn them off to fight corruption.

True, but I don't turn off my engine 17 times to wash it. I turn it off, let it cool. Wash it. Rinse it. Wash it again. Rinse well. Then I even rub small petrol on it to make it shine. Then I even add small oil sef and top off other fluids. Then it's good for long while because I washed it right the first time.

How can you be diversifying away from oil yet looking for more of it? Worse, the money and time spent looking for it takes away effort and interest in alternative sources of income...

Someone please remind me why we voted for this guy again...

People who have nothing better to do that sit outside a store to buy a phone that won't change anything in their life. And they'll be in line to buy the next one once this version 7 becomes obsolete. Smh

AlNur:
Your bigotry knows no boundary, so what want us to prostrate and beg him to be igbo? Igbo identity is by choice

Thank you for saying it is a choice. We are choosing not to be Igbo. Why browbeat us for saying so?

Thumbs up! Let's make it happen.


Name checks also performed... I'm from a different part of the country, but am extremely proud of them and wish them nothing but the best!

... like this one girlfriend who could not make eba ... soft on one side, lumpu and dry on the other...
I will give her once more chance before I next her... haba life is hard enough... don't ruin food join am

blues20:
...and who wants your smelly ass to associate with us My friend take a back-sit. You don't exist.

And there you have it, the us vs them finally comes out. And you want us to believe that we are one?

Igboid:
Lol! You must be joking.

There no such proof there. Just the usual faeces coming from kunirum mouth.

Wow. Instead of considering his point of view, or why he would make such statements, you just disregard it as one would fowl droppings. It's hard to have dialogue when one side insults the other.

This is, I'm sorry to say, another brick in the wall that is being built between Anioma and Igbo

Unimaginable123:
is nigeria a tribe? Aniocha, Ika, ndokwa, Oshimili are all igbo words

To early European visitors to Nigeria, yes all of Nigeria was one big tribe of unintelligable dark skinned peoples. Only after time and familiarity does one refine the ideas and see differences. Not just to divide and conquer, but to appreciate the distinctions

Forum members (myself included) may be good at coining analogies, witty remarks, and zingers - which in of itself is a good thing - but the fact remains that we want to be identified as Anioma, not Igbo. We have given our reasons for why we want to make this self determination, and we don't understand why others are imposing an identity we don't want.

Igboid:
Are you serious? You are just reaching for straws. Was it not Achuzia an Asaba son that led the Biafran Army that brought down the Niger bridge?

So a couple of misled sons of Anioma makes all of us complicit? Is that right?

Igboid:
What Anioma leadership is awakening to the fact that Anioma is not Igbo? Cos the last time I checked, the most prominent Anioma traditional leader is the Asagba of Asaba, and he remains a grand patron of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo and a crusader for Igbo unity.

I don't think you know more about Anioma that the erudite professor of Medicine cum traditional ruler of Asaba himself. So you might as well go and park one place.

I'm not claiming to know more than him, after all he is my elder and a traditional ruler. However, I have also been educated by his peers, other rulers and accomplished men who disagree with his point of view. Who is to say he is more right that the others? The advantage of an open mind is one seeks the opinions of those who know better (even if they differ and compete), digests their teachings, and comes up with his own interpretation. Most of our leaders are seeing, with the benefit of hindsight, the errors of their assumptions and hopes as younger men. They are now realizing and acknowledging that there is a distinct Anioma identity, which must be nourished and cherished.

Igboid:
As long as the entire Nigeria is concerned, Nzeogwu is an Igbo man, because it serves their purpose of selling the "Igbo coup " propaganda, even though never for once had SEners denied Nzeogwu, despite the fact that we were made to bear the full blunt of his actions.

So somebody says "you are so and so", does that mean you cannot reply "no, actually, this is what I am"?

Igboid:
Can you get me a genuine verifiable document to proof that Ndiigbo jettisoned the Anioma state project in place of Ebonyi state creation?

These are the two I could easily find... there are publications in print that I can dig up too...

https://www.nairaland.com/2507315/anioma-asaba-people-not-igbo (which references "The ANIOMA, Vol. 10, No 1, May,
1999, p. 11"

https://books.google.com/books?id=jOS4CwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT17&ots=Z1I2z6e8cR&dq=anioma%20%20ebonyi%20state%20creation&pg=PT17#v=onepage&q=anioma%20%20ebonyi%20state%20creation&f=false

Clairvoyant:
brother... Cain actually slained Abel... that does not mean they are not related..

They are related, but (and this is critical), not the same person.
Moreover, if they had descendants, I assume Abel's would be wary of their cousins for a long long time.

chukzyblingz:
There is a good reason I asked you to do your research before you quote me. I can explain to you but that will be a very difficult task to someone that doesn't have any idea about this. Even linguists debate about this. The difference between language and dialect doesn't have anything to do with linguistics or language. This is a very wide subject so if you want to get an answer, I suggest you do your research. At least google has made everything easier and cheaper

My understanding is that Languages are distinct (and often times unintelligible to each other), while dialect are variations of a language.

E.g. Igbo is a language, and orlu, umuahia, onitsha, enu-ani and ika (arguably) are dialects.
Yoruba is a language, yet ijebu, ilesha, ibadan all speak different dialects of it.

The conflation came about when the Europeans arrogantly called different Nigerian languages dialects simply because they found all the sounds similarly unintelligible. However, if I was to say the same of English, Dutch, and German (or Spanish, French, Catalan, and Portuguese, to make another group) and call them dialects because they do share similar origins and sound alike, they'd be up in arms.

Udmaster:
And whats the difference between Igbo and ibo?

Some would say that Ibo refers to the people, while Igbo refers to the language. There are also people who would say exactly the opposite. I say there's no difference, as Igbo and Ibo (and indeed Eboe) are both English approximations to the sound that identifies the place and its peoples.

Unimaginable123:
is anioma not an igbo word? a variant of anaoma - good land

Anioma is actually a coined word, that also conveniently means ani-oma good land. Aniocha Ndowka Ika Oshimili + MA = ANIOMA
Is Nigeria not an English word? A variant of Niger-Area. Not sure that this means Nigerians are English people...

Udmaster:
There is Nnewi and there is Igbo.
There is Onitsha and there is Igbo
3. There is Arochukwu and there is Igbo.
I can go on and on. Then who is an Igbo?
Even in Anioma, there is Aniocha and there is Anioma.
4. There is Oshimili and there is Anioma. So your analysis is flawed.

Maybe we're not saying the same thing, hence the appearance of flawed analysis. But along your vein,

Nnewi, Onitsha, Arochukwu are all recognized to be Igbo places.
Lagos, Ibadan, Ile-Ife are generally recognized to be Yoruba places.
Asaba, Agbor, Ibusa should also be generally recognized to be Anioma places (not Igbo places).

This is our main point.

Igboid:
Anioma is still an Igbo word coined out by Dennis Osadebey who himself was a proud Igbo man and a member of Igbo union of the old, using Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika and Oshimili initials ie ANIO, and addition MA to it.
Without Igbo, Anioma has no meaning. It's meaning is only found in Igbo.

What you've said makes sense. But, as you can see Sir Osadebey himself (an Anioma man from Asaba) recognized the need for a new name to more accurately describe the people of Anioma. You're right it is an Igbo word, no doubt, but that does not translate that the people it describes are Igbo. Just as the word Nigeria (Niger-area) does not mean its people are English.

Udmaster:
The yorubas are diverse in origin (e.g ijebus,badagary,oyo etc )but do you see them shouting that they are not yorubas?.
No one is imposing anything on you, An anioma man Nzeogwu led a coup, today its still seen as an IGBO COUP..
Did the Anioma leaderz release a statement for it to be changed to ANIOMA COUP.?
Anioma is just a modern coined name, Western Igbo have been the Ancient names used by men like Osadebey.
Say the truth and stop beating around the corner.

Africa was once a modern coined name. As was America. As was Nigeria. As was Yoruba at one time. As was Igbo or Eko. Why kick up when a new term (50 years old actually) is coined?

About the Anioma man leading the coup... as far as most Nigerian's were and are still concered: "Ibo-speaking means Igbo." This is simply not true. Even Anioma leadership has been awakening to the fact that we are in fact not Igbo. The great irony is that the people who remind us that we are not "true Igbo" are non other than Igbos themselves.

To wit:

Witness Anioma absent from the map of Biafra
Witness the "invasion" of Mid-Western Nigeria by Biafran forces. You can't invade what is your own
Witness how they fled across the Niger and blew up the bridge to leave their so-called "brethren" to be massacered at the hands of the Nigerian side.
Witness how the vast majority of leadership in Igbo matters is from "core Igbo"
Witness the creation of Ebonyi state, rather than Anioma, when Igbos did a backface and withdrew their support for Aniomas at the last moment for political gain.
Witness the arrogance and contempt with which they proclaim themselves and put Anioma people down.

You can't see all these and accept that we're all the same.

Igboid:
Silly. America and England are located on two different continents, like Wise Mexico and Spain, Brazil and Portugal.

The only thing that links America to England is colonialism, same with Spain and Mexico, Portuguese to Brazil.

At what point was there ever an Igbo empire that extended her imperialistic influence over Igbo speaking lands in Delta and Rivers state?

Nigeria education system is really dysfunctional, if it keeps churning out peeps like you that lack the elementary basis of rational reasoning.

Tufiakwa!

Ah ah... has it come to that? I was simply giving examples that the fact that a people speak a certain language does not make them the same as the originators of said language. You are right about being on different continents and colonialism, and I shall look for more appropriate analogies in the future. However, if an Anioma person speaks Igbo, yet traces his origins to Yoruba, Benin, Igala, and other places, based on his own unique history, why would you insist that he is of Igbo stock, without trying to understand his point of view? That was the point I'm trying to make.

Is such a person Yoruba, or is he Igbo? Or both? For us, we think neither of the three, because that emphasizes the other regions without recognizing the emergence of a newer identity: he is Anioma

Udmaster:
every Tribe in Nigeria have diverse origin even the yorubas, bini, Efik etc.
It makes no logical point to see a small diverse origin as a distinctiveness.

True. But when non-Anioman's don't understand us and try to lump us all together with people we are not, we have to emphasize and remind them that we are diverse and cannot therefore be assumed to be part of some arbitrary group that is being imposed on us.

Most people see Yorubas as a group, and don't remember the diverse origins. Same for Igbos, Hausas, Fulani. Since people have not generally come to see Anioma as a group, we have to kick against any lumping. You won't see any of this noise when Nigerians recognize Anioma as a distinct entity, the way they recognize Igbos or Yorubas.

bee444:
A tribe that favours personal acquisition to the detriment of its entire populace and kingsmen is a danger to itself. Igbos are architect of their own subliminal decimation misfortune. You can't blame someone else for addressing you in a manner you unwittingly accepted.

When it comes to culture, the Yorubas thrive uncomprosingly unapologetically. Same thing the Fulanis and Hausas. My Igbo people on the other hand would rather you give them business than tell them to observe one yeye culture. The Delta-Igbos are also to blame. They sit on the fence.. Part of them yearn for Igbos and part for Yoruba. They are confused people.

All in all, whether you're Igbo, Yoruba, Fulani or Hausa, we should all learn to live forget in harmony and peace. Seceding thought only brings segregation, produces fear and divide everyone.

Peace

Ahem... we are not confused, we actually have diverse origins in Anioma, traceable to Yoruba, Benin, Ibo, Igala, and so on.

Just like Americans are traceable to many different parts of the world: you have those that identify as Italian descent, Irish, English, Japanese, Indian, Nigerian descent, and so on. Just because somebody hungers for the Italian food of his origins does not make him less American, nor someone who wants to dress in Indian clothes. Likewise, just because Aniomans identify with their places of origin, or have attributes common with those places does not make them less Anioman.

Anioma is a melting pot of peoples who have forged a unique identity, different from where they might have come from. I wonder why this is so hard for the majority of Nigerians to appreciate.

Not arguing for secession per-se, but it cannot be ruled out outright. Ask Europe if its countries are not divided on mostly cultural and lingual lines, demarcated by millenia of wars and secession struggles. Even USA had its own war of secession while it was a very young republic.

Earlybird81:
On the contrary, Yorubas don't even know the difference btw Delta-Igbos and Igbos.Once you are not Hausa or Yoruba,they refer to you as Igbo.Simple!How can a non native be the one to tell you where you belong or which part of the divide you should fall?Isn't that absolutely ridiculous and a bit shameful to the natives?!

Abi... it's like how oyinbos call all of us Africans, or say, "I went to Africa last week", so somesuch rubbish

There is Anioma, and there is Igbo.
There is America, and there is England
There is Mexico, and there is Spain
There is Brazil, and there is Portugal.

Each pair are distinct, separate peoples, though they speak the same language.

20k for one girl? Abi na 35k? Guy, with 1-2k and some indomie, you can have some of the prettiest t*** in Imo state.

Here's an idea: spend 4-5k to travel to Imo, pay 6k for 3 nights in a cheap lodge, then the remainder on all you can eat point and kill. Then your thirst will be quenched.

I find it really hard to believe any guy would be begging a girl like this... it almost makes me want to believe that she (or a friend) is actually sending the message as an inside joke. That she didn't ban the guy outright is also making me say "hmmmm..."

NiftyViva:
For real? That is really an INSENSITIVE thing to say! Forget over 3million fallen Biafran women, children and Soldiers?? Oh my!!! This man has lost it ALL!!!

Mr. President Sir! With all due respect, Biafra deserves a MEMORIAL, and MUST NEVER be forgotten! Those fallen 3 Million Biafrans... well, my uncle was one of them; almost every family lost someone!!!

I'm sympathetic to you, as I lost a lot of family members and the scars still mar my ancestral homes. I also agree we need a memorial.

That said I don't think he meant forget the Biafran war, afterall he evoked the memory of the event itself. I honestly interpreted it to mean we should forget about agitating for it and strive for a unified Nigeria.

Whether I agree with him or not is a different matter, but I won't say he's telling us to bury the memory of that horrific event, but instead use it to remind us why we need a unified Nigeria

Gmekx:
Why not in Lagos or in Africa?

1. There are not yet enough users in Africa to justify that level of investment

2. There is not yet enough bandwidth in and out, and said bandwidth is probably 10x-100x the price in Africa than USA

3. African governments can't yet guarantee the safety of your property (e.g. It won't be visited or blown up by various malcontents)

4. It will cost 2x-4x as much due to importation taxes, shipping cost, Nigerian factor, etc.

5. Where will you get the talent to staff it?

venom13:
Thank God they are back but my Question is what happened to the 30 fleet of aircrafts that belongs to Nigerian airways

Have you seen the various and sundry rusting aircraft in various airports in the country? That's what's happened to the fleet. Airplanes don't maintain themselves.

Personally, I'm against government owned airlines. Most governments around the world had it, but they've been divesting to private corporations in a public-private agreement since the late 80's, with government owning diminishing smaller share. It is telling though that countries with the largest economies do not currently have government-owned passenger airlines: (USA, Japan, UK, Germany, South Korea, Mexico). NOTE: just because it says "British Airways" or "Korean Airlines" does not mean it is government owned... that's a flag carrier. "Air France" is partially government owned. "American Airlines" has never been a government-owned company, and I even doubt it qualifies for special flag-bearing status in the way, say "British Airways" or "Japan Airlines" are.

We have seen how well the Nigerian government runs things... left to them the national carrier (if ever revived) will never be on time, charge subsidized rates that do not reflect the market realities and would only harm out other private airlines, staff will be ill trained and sullen. What I would like to see is government-backed low-interest long-term financing to help our private airlines grow. Then government can tax these airlines for its revenue.

I see this as part of the continuing unseriousness of Nigerian corporations. You know your insurance is due, you should have people who are supposed to deal with this weeks and months in advance. Was the delay due to price negotiations? Legalities? There really is no excuse for leaving such an important matter to the last minute.

Arik you can and should do better. We're counting on you.

otokx:
The airport will soon be concessioned out then things will definitely improve.

How? Will power supply provided by PHCN suddenly improve when the airport is concessioned? Or will the airport managers suddenly be able to access the forex to buy the diesel to run the gens?

If the government can't guarantee that we can have power, or buy fuel, then there's only so much the private sector can do.

So now instead of jejely growing and selling weed, these guys are being forced into armed robbery and kidnapping.

Thanks Buhari, for taking jobs away from those who have it.

While I agree with you in the main, there are enough examples of poor Americans, and of rich Nigerians to show that hard work, ingenuity, and perseverance can make you successful, no matter the environment.

If we always use the excuse that Nigeria is a terrible place to be, we can just easily give up and place the blame elsewhere instead of on the individual. But fortunately we have many examples of people who have made it in Nigeria, so the excuse rings hollow.

Most people just want to be handed a job after finishing college without thinking of creating jobs. We have so many foreigners in Nigeria taking advantage of opportunities while most of us complain that there are no opportunities...

dasparrow:
Precisely. And to add to what you said, Zuckerberg does not come from a country battling erratic power supply. Computers and electronics need electricity to function. If Zuckerberg were a Nigerian, nepotism, tribalism, red tape and other Nigerian factors would have killed the young man's dream. Zuckerberg happens to come from a functional country and that laid the foundation for him becoming this successful today.

Please stop attacking our ostentation. We are just human. Yes we have loud show offs, just like in the US. Abi who buys all those yachts, fancy cars and houses in the US? Is it only black people? You think luxury brands exist because of only black people? We probably account less than 1% of luxury spending world wide, meaning there are many more Americans, Brits,Middle-Eaterners and Asians spending money anyhow.

At the same time, we also have many people with quiet wealth in Nigeria, you just don't hear about them because, you know, they are also humble and hardworking.

I rather think this hero worship of one young man is misplaced.

Not sure of the point of this article... Replace Africa with China/Rio/London/Asia/Brooklyn and you'll get the same thing: hundreds of thousands of small and tiny "doing businesses".

What's unique about Africa is we don't have enough faith in ourselves to make the things we use.