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dabriggs: Jehovah did not die for his worshippers. And I assume you are talking about Jesus whom is refered to as the christ. Note;Hey Jesus was not murdered but he laid down himself willingly! Pls go and read the bible more, His death was prophesied in the OT, depicted in the sacrifices that were offered. Jesus himself said in the Joh 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18: No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Again he said in John15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Read also Luke 24:13-32; Matt 20:28; 1 Tim 2:3-6. |
graphicsplay: Christ once said that he who "lives by the sword shall die by the sword". Is it out of place to say that God allowed Apostle Paul to face the same persecution he meted out to christians in his days as a pharisee. Apostle Paul himself unequivocally stated that a man reaps what he sows.You're so so wrong bro/sis, what bible are u reading? God forgave Paul and never punished him for anything he did! hear what he said 1Tim 1:12-16 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13: Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14: And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15: This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief 16: Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. And again in his final words to the Corinthians he writes 2Co 7:1-2 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 2: Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man. Also read 2 cor 15:8-10 So pls get ur facts right! |
Blue diamond: OP i strongly disagree with you on this;God forgives but does not forget.for refernce Ps 99:8 thou answeredst them,O Lord our God,thou was a God that forgavest them,though thou tookest vegeance of their inventions.It beats me each time I see a lot of ignorance on display esp from xtians. Pls if you don't know much abt a subject, why not try I find out or ask people who well knowledgeable or better still be silent rather than make un-intelligent utterances. Listen all of you God forgives and forget sins and He chose to do so in Christ Jesus. In Christ all ur sins are forgiven & wiped out, Yes a wiped clean like a slate. 2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Heb 8:10-12 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. So any man born again has no remembrance of sins before God because of the blood of Jesus! 2Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Let me say these categorically to the every xtian, atheist or anyone who cares to listen: God will not punish or send anybody to hell because of their sins no but a man will go to hell because he refuse to accept the forgiveness which is in Christ! |
ayenny02: I don't know why you people followed the Liar (Paul) instead Jesus. Let me show you the Paul (liar) contradict the teaching of Jesus;@ayenny02 I can see that you're just a misguided fellow. Rather than respond to valid points raised in my earlier posts u systematically avoided them because u know they were correct and rather call Paul a liar. Its beats my imagination as to why you people quote from one part of the bible that supports your claims and turn to call another part false. You just quoted Paul's Rom 8:14 to validate one of misguided argument and still turn around to call him a liar! From where I come from it's called double standards! You think because u know some scriptures u now the bible? When I give valid verses from it that's shows your ignorance u avoid them n make spurious accusations. Guess am done with you. |
ayenny02: see how you contradict yourself,I think I'm wasting my time with u! the last time I check in many versions of the scriptures including KJV the word BEGOTTEN is still vry much present! so very sorry that wenot you or all ur imams can change that. Its very funny you should quote a scriptures that prophesy about Jesus Christ and not understanding them n even attribute some to David Psalm 2:7 cross reference Hebrews 2:5, Matt 22:42-46; Mark 12:35-37; Acts 2:25-36; Acts 13:33-39. Pls read and stop displaying ur ignorance on a subject you know nothing about. Jesus came to show a new and pointed the new believers to Paul who by the Spirit Jesus gave the revelations that we now follow. John 16:7-15; 14:11-20 cross reference Galatians 1:11-16. Romans 8 ur quoted is classic scriptures about ur life in Christ when we believe pls read from vs 1 to the end. Pls do me a favour and stop displaying ur ignorance online, its very obvious you're not knowledgeable enough to argue about this. Thank you. |
Logicboy03: lol.....you want to be denunked?The only people that are getting denunked include you and ur fellow atheists. I'm tired of ur continuous distortion and want to set the record straight. Let me start: first you guys believe that there's no God and science is the ultimate right? |
ayenny02: so, how many son of God we have in the Bible, let me list some for you to understand that not only jesus was son to God:Listen @ayenny02, as was said earlier your knowledge of the bible is not complete because its takes only the Spirit of God to fully understand the bible, which unfortunately you don't have. 1st every one b4 Christ only had the Spirit upon and not within, pls know the difference. That's why in the OT you always hear and the Spirit of God came upon me. But of Jesus John bore witness by saying him that send me said of whom you see the Spirit coming upon and remaining the same is the Christ John 1:30-34. Jesus has fulfilled the law, so we're not required to keep the law but walk after the manner of Jesus through the Grace we received by faith. The law was to lead us to Christ after Christ has come we're no longer under the law Gal 3:17-29; 4:1-9 (pls read this carefully and try n comprehend). Even Jesus changed the law while he was alive Matt 5:31-48. those are some of the new covenant we live by. That's why we're called Christians because we are followers of Christ. And it should interest you to note that the name Christians only came after Apostle Paul had taught the early believers extensively, therefore he is indirectly responsible for the name Christians Acts 11:22-26. Adam, his descendants n angels are all called sons of God only Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God. Hebrews 1:1-6 |
ayenny02: Ok tell me how Jesus worshiped his God then?Jesus worshiped God the spirit because he was the first man to have the indweelling of the Holy Spirit John 4: 21-24, Luke 10:21 |
@ayenny02 to answer your question man is made of spirit, soul and body. What we use as mortal men is our soul which is very limited, but our spirit knows and can recognise spirit beings. Pls don't use ur natural mind to explain the things of the spirit. That's why any one dat dies will be able to distinguish spirit beings including angels & Christ Jesus. And pls your guys so stop this nonsense that Jesus was a Muslim, pls Islam came a long while after Christianity and adopted some of the practise of Judaism. In otherwise they copied from some of the Jews religious ways of worship, which was also observed by Jesus and the early apostles because they were Jews. But now as xtians we have liberty in Christ 2 Corinthians 3:12-18 |
Logicboy03: lol.....Anony has truly lost his touch.....very rare that I unfollow his threads!@logicboy I ws not even going to comment dis thread becos of the logic jargons n u bailed me out. Laughing at d thought u've xtians cornered, becos u guys have not come across xtians that are very knowledgeable. In some of previous posts I ws able to answer some of ur questions. I think I might just have a little time 4 all u nairaland atheists 2nite. |
Logicboy03: Please go and read on what a scientific paper is.You didn't response to my enquiry about the universe been in such an ordered arrangement. But of course what will you expect from highly intelligent scientists who will stop at nothing to disprove simple facts. But as Uswisky advised read the book rather than die hard rebuttals. You may also want to go the link below to enlighten your scientific mind. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-edge-of-evolution/ |
usisky: 1)Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution- By prof. Michael .j. BEHEThanks for this. That's why I told them when I'm ready I'll put a pin into their ignorant balloon. After all the analysis n calculations to prove the BBT, most of which were accurate as they predicted it to be, only for them to realize a simple truth/fact, which is when there's an explosion, things should be has random as possible! but what do we see everything is perfectly arranged. Alas in tryin to disprove God, they actually proved He exist! So over to you logicboy & rest pls explain. By the way I still have a more convincing prove! |
Logicboy03: From tithing to honour killings to people accepting they are under the curse of ham....Again another thread by atheists seeking for answers and tryin to justify their believes, makes me always smile and for a while now I always choose to ignore you guys but I'm thinking if I should continue ignoring you guys or just but a hole in your balloon? hmmm really thinking? |
[quote author=Atheist:-D]Just answer the question... did God ensure the child died as punishment/retribution for David's sin? Why do you guys like dancing in circles and beating around the bush with simple statements made in the bible? Aaargh [/quote]I've answered that question, God was was not responsible for the death of the child, pls read all my previous posts and u see d explanation there. |
[quote author=From_Guiriga] I follow. I don't think the issue of justice and injustice against the child was addressed but I understand where you are coming from. [/quote]Thank you for your time so far and willingness to hear me out. The things of God though may be mysterious yet can be fully explained in the whole of scriptures. For the injustice you said was done to the child, God was not the one responsible for that! I wish I could explain further but I will stop here because of the earlier mentioned limitations, otherwise I would have proceeded further to explain the diff between the Law & Grace which is much more technical and requires the Spirit for God for complete understanding. But let give another example. In the book of Job, we're told about a man name Job who was not only very rich but was the most righteous man on earth at that time, but lost all he had. In Job 1:6-12 & 2:1-6, we were clearly told that it was satan that was responsible for His misfortune. But when Job was told of the tragedy, Job responded in Job 1: 20-21, by saying the Lord gave and the Lord has taken blessed be the name of the Lord! But we were clearly told that God was not responsible for is predicament. Just by the way, Job was the first book written in the bible. |
Let me say this again, the bible is about one person only: Christ Jesus. You should look at the entire bible has jigsaw puzzle of Jesus and the people of the OT only had different pieces of the puzzle. You see this will not make much sense looking at individual piece or few of them until you're able to piece all of them together and then look at whole picture. |
[quote author=From_Guiriga]Understood. If you have the "spirit of God" then enlightened us here. I have time. Give us your understanding. So we can hold that up to scrutiny. You are right, I was born in a Christian country and culturally that makes me a Christian as far as culture is concern. I'm a bit confused, you take the position that the bible is not to be taken literal then say it was an angel that gave Moses the laws. [/quote]Ok because you've shown interest, I'll try but let me remind you dat you may not fully comprehend. First of all every believer has the spirit of God, but also with the Spirit the believer is told to study and show himself approved 2 Tim 2:5. So the issue with most xtians is that they don't study enough! That's why I'll rather spend time teaching xtians. You see the folks of the old testament (OT) did not have the in-filling of the Holy Spirit and so could not fully comprehend what was shown to them so they added their human knowledge. Yes those miracles in OT happened and it still happening. The bible is a story about one person and one person alone, Christ Jesus. So from genesis God started talking about Jesus howbeit in types and shadows Heb 10:1, and thru visions and types for them to understand but not the whole truth Heb 1:1. So what those people saw and how they interpreted them were not truly representative of what they saw but a kind of shadow not the main thing, I hope you understanding me. Christ is the explanation of all things and this explanation is in the epistles (and there is a reason for this). Let me ask you something in the garden of Eden we heard it was said that it was the serpent that deceived eve right? but in actual fact it was the devil. (types & shadows). Yes it was an Angel that gave the law Gal 3:19; Heb 2:2. Let me give you a super hint (even many xtians are not aware of this). The devil is only mention 4 times in the whole OT and satan was not mentioned until the book of Job, so the people of earlier times did not know or have an idea who satan was. |
[quote author=From_Guiriga]Alright, my apology. I'll quote you correctly next time. The sickness of the child is attributed to Yahweh according to the writer of 2nd Samuel: 12:15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. What's going on here?[/quote]That's why I said earlier it takes the Spirit of God to fully understand this and again the mistake many make is to take the bible literary! Listen for those who care the bible is not and will never be a literal book. I wish I could explain further but you may not truly comprehend. I perceive you were once a xtian or have bin involved with the faith? because of lack of indept teaching of God's Word many cannot fully understand God. I give you a comparison, if you read the book of exodus you will think it was God Moses went to meet on the mount and it was God that gave him the laws, but in actual truth it was an Angel and not God. |
[quote author=Da-ny-ell]@wordychap, why do you guys like lying? Your bible says "the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife had borne to David and he became ill." and it later goes on to say "On the seventh day, the child died" it never said anything about allowing the devil to run rings around the boy.[/quote]The Bible is a spiritual book that's why its takes the Spirit of God to understand it. Another hint, the Bible was written by progressive revelations so men wrote has they were inspired and based on their understanding. So the Bible is not a literal work, it takes Christ to unlock the scriptures because Christ Jesus is the explanation of All Things! |
[quote author=From_Guiriga] That is the problem. Many Christians don't understand their own bible yet try to convince folks on things they themselves don't understand. Let's reason together. Give us your understanding on this. If you don't understand it's OK. There is nothing wrong with not understanding. Take it from a man who does not understand much. Can Someone Explain Why God Killed David's Son For David's Sin?[/quote]I First pls quote me correctly, I said fully understand because you don't need a full knowledge to be saved you just need only to believe in Christ Jesus! full knowledge is for you to be established in the truth you now believe Ephe 4: 10 downward. Now to your question, I wnt to give u guyz an hint. It was not God that killed David's son. |
Logicboy03: A whole comment full of nothing. No answerss, nothing....As I said b4 in most of these threads you guys are not ready to learn but to discredit any answer or explanations offered because of your many like minded folks following the thread. But if you truly are looking for answers then we can have a private discourse. But let me say this, Christianity and God are still the most mysterious truth on earth! even xtians themselves don't fully understand how much none believers. So I don't disturb myself so much when they try to explain and understand the bible, but I assure there are answers to ur questions. |
Well I've not commented on nairaland for a long time now, but I guess I've 2 start. For all of you atheists who create so many threads asking questions u're not interested in the answer but rather to castigate and discredit God and more importantly to find reassurance for ur troubled souls and trying very hard 2 convince urself u made the right decision! continue but I can assure you you'll not get the closure u seek becos that the way God created Man. As for ur many questions I have answers to them but would rather not respond on your own terms or thread becos you created it for a purpose, but if other occasions arises I'll be glad to give you the answers you seek. Shalom |
Very true words! Tanx alot man. |
@ Epoma I agree with you that Buhari was not there wen they were registering, but to tell me that cpc did not know that under age will vote in the north is akin to me telling you dat i don't the difference of living in the south and living in the north, as i said earlier for them its normal, its their right. The truth is that that you can accuse some in court for committing a crime, wen you were an accomplice! in layman words, i cannot charge my friend to court for not sharing the money we both robbed from a bank equally. For ur 2nd question, which you've answered already, nigeria don't have the will power to do it. b4 a southerner will walk as a free man in the north, he go tey well! well!!. See during the last crises, after we were almost attacked, one of my neighbor an Ibo chap was so afraid and unsettled, He only calm down wen he finally got into the barracks, in his words "i'm not afraid of dying, but wat scares me to death is dying at the hands of hopeless children with no way to defend myself", Its the same feeling that many people leave the north during this crises never to come back! You may never feel secure here, becos its truly an hostile enviroment! |
Well today i will not keep quiet, i've been following posts on nairaland but usually don't post any comment. I've bin very disappointed about the way people just post comments, see the truth is if you've not lived up north, you wont understand somethings about their culture, so please stop sitting behind ur PC and just post comments, forgetting that there are people actually involved in this. Do you know what it feels like to see rioters coming after you with big sticks and cutlasses with no help at site. Believe me, this last riot i was just 20 yards from them, wen they destroyed the police station in front of where i'm staying, its not a pretty feeling at all. It left alot of people traumatized for days! About the under aged voters, yes its absolutely true! for those of you giving lame excuses after seeing the picture, well accept it or not its true, becos i witnessed it 1st hand. You see in the core north, there 3 different dwelling areas 1. Where its exclusively southerners or xtian such as sabo gari 2. A mixed population of both southerners and hausas, this is where you've the highest casualty & victims of any crises. 3. finally the exclusively hausa community, where no matter how cheap the accommodation, you'll never see southerner in that area, talkless of living there. I happen to be in the third community, can't disclose where due to security reasons, believe it is a HOSTILE environment. I went out to vote during the presidential election and got there a few minutes to 12 noon, since i didn't vote in the previous election and knew i could not even show my self for the governorship election (because i'm too young to die)i decided to do independent observer, so i stood very close to the ballot box just to observe. To my utter dismay and frustration i watch as 9-12 year old children line up with adults and cast their vote, i counted nothing less than 15 of them both male and female and no one raised an eye brow, not the security forces, the inec staff or even corpers, because it was normal in that area. I almost went mad! Wahalli! if it was lag, i would hav started trouble there. Yes i was with my camera, but who born me make i take picture! Look in the north, just one look at you and they will know that you're not one of them and as long as you're in their community, they will kill you right there and no one will ask any questions, thats why its very dangerous for southerners living in the north, you cannot move around freely or go to some places if you value you life. Thats why i don't pity buhari, i'm not a pdp fan becos i can never vote for any one contesting under pdp. How do i know they voted for CPC? in that PU pdp did not get 1 vote of the over 500 casted, no not one, even the pdp agent with the pdp tag voted for cpc and held it up for people to see. That's why during the riot, they attacked their own people who where pdp members 1st, followed by corpers and finally xtians, becos they said they were d ones that voted for GEJ. What am I trying to say? Buhari has no moral right to say the election was rigged or was not free & fair, becos he did not also play by the rule. "He that has no Sin, let him Cast the first Stone". Pls relay this message to Pst Tunde Bakare also. |
Well having worked as a network engineer both in the south-west and the north, i can understand wat the OP is talking about. ISP's in Nigeria are not just a big joke, they are an embarrassment! The biggest of the thieves is MTN, currently using mtn fastlink now for some days i cannot connect between 9.00pm and 12 am, hav to wake @ 2.00am b4 i can browse. I've tried all of them, they always hav issues. they most annoying part is that their CS is a joke, they will tell u all sort of lies to blame their network issues on you, except you now tell them you know about their tech b4 they own up. The major problem they have which is seen in almost all spheres in Nija is that they are all profit oriented rather than being service oriented, from my experience they take in more clients than their network can handle and don't do a proper testing and evaluation before large scale deployment. The management asks the technical team "is it browsing?" they reply "yes", then they say "deploy, money is waiting for us to grab!", "but sir we have not finish testing!". "Deploy! money first! we continue testing as the money comes in". Well i don't blame them, honestly i don't! my annoyance is with NCC who are suppose to regulate them. What do you expect, NIja is one of the only place in the world where you can do anything and get away with it. One day, there will be a revolution and alot of lawsuits, untill that day i guess we'll just continue suffering & smilling! |
Quote from: blacksta on Today at 02:12:54 PM Nigeria a country ruled by monkeys /greed - take all from the can /Sit on the can. The leadership selection process in Nigeria is highly flawed hence the confusion - until you fix that process - the head remains rotten. If the head is misbehaving the body remains confused. Only God knows how to fix Nigeria - With Nigerians still clamouring for PDP ( 12 years of misrule -- i believe is enough clear evidence) - I dont know or how else to fix Nigeria [color=#990000]There are so many people that can fix nigeria very fast but are not interested in the politics involved[/color] This is the most basic truth i've ever read on NL, very sad that in a country full of intellectuals things cannot be done right. tanx so much 4 ur post! |
I'm been having the same problems for days, which now prompted me to do a little research and found this topic. I must say its quite sad in Nigeria, where people can just wake and start duping people. we paid N6000 for the software and yet the software is not working. One wonders if not dubious reason where a company will create a software that cannot work with all scanner. Has you said, the blocking of the port by ISP is a big lie, because there are 1000s more. I will follow them up and even report directly to jamb and other relevant bodies if this is not sorted out and I don't get a refund. My country Nigeria, when will things work the way its suppose to. Pls keep informed if theres any development. |

[/quote]I've answered that question, God was was not responsible for the death of the child, pls read all my previous posts and u see d explanation there.