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Logicboy03: Guy, there were secular abolitionists as well. We wouldnt need abolitionists in the west in the first place if christianity had not mostly supported slave trade. Take for instance where I come from in Southern Nigeria- there was no slave trade among my people. Different tribes never sold their captives from other tribes. No prisoners of war, only dead enemies. Farm labour was from the a family's own children/wives- inhouse labour. So we didnt need abolitionists. This all changed when the Europeans came.

Furthermore both the new testament and old testament permit slavery. There is the case of Onesimus in the New Testament. The other question is why your Jesus could not even open his mouth to condemn slavery that was rampant in his time.

nnofaith: my points exactly . why should yaweh stand aside and allow anybody, white or black be enslaved?! he goes ahead to insert in his book "slave obey thy master" tis sad you consider such a god worthy of worship!

benalvino: I am a christian... I dont have to go to church to be a christian... Jesus says come to me, he didn't say go to that church. If you can build up faith and trust in God at your room then its ok.

Am not ignorant... When you people read Corinthians you stop at just one verse and flush the rest... So what Paul was saying became something else. Read my post I did the explaination of that verse for you... Its for you to pick up bible and reason with what I just said.

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ROSSIKE: There is no evidence Jesus ever existed. I was merely referring to the Jesus 'character' invented by the Europeans. This character makes all sorts of wild promises which are patently false. See start of thread.




I have done my research. It is you who has done no research.




Assume for instance that some people 'predicted' Jesus' arrival. How is that in itself proof that he did arrive?




Were you there when Emperor Constantine and his henchmen were busy determining the contents of the bible at the Council of Nicaea? What stopped Constantine from ordering the inclusion of a 'prediction' of a 'messiah' on page 2 of the bible?

I mean, how can you just look at a book , and say when this or that 'prediction' was made? Isn't it just a BLOODY DAMN BOOK? What stopped ANYONE from ADDING some stupid claim in Isaiah or whatever to further their agenda, and WHY are YOU so accepting and believing?

It's like you're a circus puppet. They push you here you go. They push you there, you go. They tell you to jump you jump. They tell you to sing you sing. Tell you to dance you dance. Anything they write you believe. No matter how outlandish.

They even tell you outrightly in their book not to think or use your senses, and you obey.

Where is your independence as a soul? I think people like you are a let-down. The Creator did not make you to be gullible and unquestioning. You are meant to use your intelligence to question and inquire into the truth of existence, not be some Jew's or some Roman's thoughtless circus puppet.





Using legitimate place names as props for a fictional tale is a very old literary technique. Sure, places like Bethlehem existed. Doesn't mean any 'saviour' named Jesus was born there.




Keep deluding yourself.

ooman: there is torah code now?? what I know is the bible code that failed wholly, there is no future for this new torah code of yours.

plaetton: Yeah, I suppose the Flying spaghetti monster they told you about in your bible school science.

plaetton: Yeah, I suppose the Flying spaghetti monster they told you about in your bible school science.

plaetton: Yeah, I suppose the Flying spaghetti monster they told you about in your bible school science.

plaetton: Nothing that is said here is by any means a scientific treatise. So no one is being forced to accept anything.
In my original thread. I made it clear that I wanted to discuss and speculate.

Afterall, everything idea starts out as speculation.
There are some processes that are scientific facts, some are theories, some are hypothesis, and some are outright speculation.
A reasonable person is expected to weigh all.

I will not argue with theists that tell me that god is great idea or notion. Infact, it is.
Deeepsight and others postulate god, not as a theory but as fact, claiming intelligent design is evidence of an unseen, immeasurable, god.

I was quite surprised and glad to see that my wild idea of the origin of consciousness had already been given scientific consideration by scientists that quantum mechanical processes in the brain might be the origin of consciousness.

So every idea deserves to be considered by anyone who is honesty seeking knowledge and understanding.

RoyPCain: @noblefada; this is about an ancient Bible in greek church in jarusalem;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogXWwKcHPNc

Dapo777: @Noblefada, to him that believes, no evidence is required but to him that does not believe, no evidence is enough,am not qouting from the Bible ooo,Noblefada no matter how many evidences you bring up their heart can never be turned away from their principles,just place them on God's hand and assist them with prayers.

RoyPCain: @noblefada;
Thats deception. Why being an apostle when you were disciple of the master so much so Paul now dominates what he never was part of? its deception at its peak.

RoyPCain: @noblefada; i am a grown man who by The Mercy of God is emancipated and Islam is a free choice for me. If the bold is true, the other 3 gospels would not be silent about about it because they would have let their audiences know about it. i tell it is a made verse which is the reason for 1 of 4 carries it and 3 of 4 dont. it is a failed attempt to elevate Jesus who was fine as God allowed him, even supporting him with Gabriel [the ruuh qudus [as]]. Your explanation may be fine, but you are not a disciple so how is the HS reaching you when you dont know anything he said?





Jesus had nothing and still has nothing to do with Christianity except that you force his name on a new religion. It is wishful thinking about seal of salvation you mentioned. God showed Mercy on Adam and Eve without ever needing Jesus. No one before Jesus needed him. Even John who you said performed his jewish traditional rights to adulthood sure did not need Jesus to get to God. I mentioned the disagreement of Peter with Paul to say that Peter had the spirit from Jesus while Paul said he saw Jesus and he didnt say he received the holy spirit from him, as well. So if the one who didnt have the holy spirit from the master finds fault in the one who did, the holy spirit is ineffective if he had it or the one blaming him was the one in the wrong or both are wrong because the holy spirit is not he had and the one faulting him was just as wrong and the truth is somewhere entirely. but for sure both of them cant be right as both of us cant be right here but can be wrong.





I am a muslim and I read. I can think. We i read i become part of what i read which is how i know a comforter that needs to wait for the Speech of God which he must hear and regurgitate it, if he is considered a spirit it is because God put spiritualityI in him, for he is a man like Jesus, one of the previous spiritual persons and comforters of their communities. Such another comforter cant be God and God is 1 and there is none but He, so your 3 persons of God is not correct. Again, I read and its you that i am concern about his reading.

RoyPCain: @noblefada: I quote the below from the Bible. I want you to respond to each issue i am gonna raise about them




please show me from the above that anybody else apart from the disciples will receive the holy spirit that is a comforter that can hear and talk like Jesus, a prophet of God? Please point to where you can possibly be included in the group that Jesus promised the holy spirit. If the holy spirit was going to be inside them, was it a thing not to be know later but was just not known to the world when Jesus was speaking to the disciples? can we say the hearing and talking without any of his own but all from God is a servant comforter, like Jesus was, a human being?







Receiving the holy spirit here, not in OT and not in Acts but in Gospels goes against what you said above. Did the holy spirit leave then after this, rendering it as something remaining with them forever as untrue? Did any of them falter even with it as we see Paul who didn't have anything to do with it was later confronting Peter as if Peter knew nothing and at fault?



I say to you that "receive" the holy spirit, since it is another comforter and the comforter must be a hearing and speaking one, simply means a clearer description of him was given, thinking that he will arrive during their lifetime. Unfortunately, the bible made Jesus to things he wasnt, proposing him to be returning in the time of the disciples, so when they hallucinated on day of pentecost it was assigned to holy spirit. Yet not of the responsibility of the comforter like Jesus was discharged that day.


if you know that it was fulfilled on that day, show me the proof by corresponding the evidence to each of the things the expected comforter was to do as stated by Jesus which i quoted, above.

ooman: ode, shouting for lack of answers.. What Jesus said was that the holy spirit cannot come except he left, never that it cannot be within or without. This is the lie revealed by Luke 1v41 when it says the holy spirit was already around, possessing people, Lizzy in particular

so once again, try this dumb lie else where

RoyPCain: @noblefada:

The two bold indicate that in acts 3/1 whatever spirit they had they didn't have permanently and by Paul's 1 Cor 6/19 you now have it holy spirit, permanently.


This is what i was pointing out in my post to you, meaning thats what you said. But responded as if I was making this up as if you didnt say it.


Didnt Jesus say to the disciples "receive" the holy spirit, to mean they received it from him and it is for that reason Jesus said "the holy spirit" is in them, dwelling and shall remain so forever, until he returns, supposing to return to meet at least some alive? if the spirit is still dwelling in those dead now, did it die with them, contained in the graved, even those killed tragically, the spirit was experiencing it?


since Jesus never returned to those folks waiting and waited in vain, if we believe Jesus is not a lair, which is my position, should we naturally say that somebody else lied and said it was the saying of Jesus?


God is Powerful, because He has not let all the lies become truth, a sign for those who reflect to walk away when they finally realize its a lie.



You seem to maintain that Paul didn't lie when he says his "lies" advance the Glory of God [as if lying is a good thing and God needs it to make His decision succeed], the reason Paul ask why is he being persecuted, when he had persecuted those who truly believed before and they said nothing.


Please stop defending the indefensible.