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babake81:
I don't believe this story, IMHO it's pure fiction!!!!!!!

y would u believe it? u were probably brought up in an abusive environment, where dialouge was never used to resolve matters. abeg change your mentality and infact grow up

@poster

your story is a lovely one ever to come out of the marriage institution. with ur expirience, we can safely say marital bliss is not outside this world.
dont stop being good to ur hubby.
all d best
cheers

@ nairalanders

I think a new thread for inhouse VIRGINS should begin.

@ganjassed

but u still havent told us your view?

denuda:
Am not sure, i don't like him,my honest answer is that of good riddance to bad rubbish,i am indifferent, we wont be missed

so what difference will his death make?

lol

bibiking1:
since Kibaki has decided to inaugurate a cabinet composed of riggers and political thieves, so i support Raila's decision to proceed with his rally!

very gibberish

you first answer ur own question. lets know what u think.

Bobbyaf:
Thank God for scriptural references. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 say it all as was already quoted. But let me quote it again.


1 Thes. 4:15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

In other words the living righteous will not procede those saints that have died.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The righteous dead will rise as complete persons. This happens when the same spirit that departed their bodies upon death returns to their now glorified bodies. Paul didn't say that those who went to heaven will rise first. What is so difficult to understand about someone dying or sleeping in the grave awaiting the resurrection?

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Paul makes it abundantly clear that its only after the resurrection that the resurrected saints, along with the living ones, will be with the Lord.

Daniel 12:2
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Here nothing is mentioned by the prophet about anyone going to heaven before the resurrection. One cannot spiritualize what is meant to be practical applications of scriptures.

Jesus never promised Christians heaven after they died. The New Testament plainly says that of the faithful men and women who had gone before, such spiritual giants as Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and Moses, to name some of those listed in Hebrews 11—not one has ascended to heaven. In fact, says verse 39 of Hebrews 11, "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised" (NIV).

So my question to all those who continue to teach this doctrine, is this. What exactly goes to heaven when anyone dies? Isn't it the spirit of man that goes back to God who gave it in accordance with scriptures? Is this spirit a person? Is it aware of what God has done? Absolutely not! The "spirit" is the breath of life, or the active life force that keeps mankind and animals alive until their death.

The bible clearly teaches that when we die we cease to know anything. All our thoughts and emotions go to the grave with us. The patriarch Job echoes Solomon's words. He writes: ". . . Man dies and is laid away; indeed he breathes his last and where is he? As water disappears from the sea, and a river becomes parched and dries up, so man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep" (Job 14:10-12).

The promise of life after death is attached to the reality of Christ's resurrection. It is because He was resurrected that one day we too will be. That is what we look forward to as Christians. I am not the least interested in the thought that when I die I will precede those Christians who are still alive down here.

U have said it all,

I think the problem is, many dont want to question what they have been fed. that way they miss the point.
We both have with biblibical intonations explained this issue to them, its apparent that their arguments, so far is presumed on logic, which should not be. its unfortunate!

cheers

trumpeter:
There are sufficient incontestable and incontrovertible evidence(s), in the New Testament, that fortify the fact that Christains enter into rest immediately after death. I am going to give at least 5 facts to demonstrate this.I will be back shortly to do this.

please provide this evidences that we may learn from you.

trumpeter:
Bro Noetic, I am challenging you to reconsider your stance that Elijah was seen somewhere within the coast of Israel some years after his rapture. Elijah actually went to Heaven after his rapture. The answer to your confusion is in 2 King 1:17-18. Read that and come to the house to apologise. Always try to have copious empirical facts before theorising your hypothesis.

Cheer

I have re-read that part of the scripture, and cant see anything new to it from what I earlier said. please lay emphasis on whatever u think I missed there.

cheers

Dis Guy:
I don't know how frequent/efficient they do this but, I know they give out cheques to families of slain police officers
There have been several contracts awarded to improve police accommodation
I think there's a new police estate in Abuja opened middle of last year
With the Police Equipment Funds the force is overhauled already just that corruption and due process is taking its toll on their effort, with the likes of tafa and sunday siphoning/depositing money in interest bearing account you don't get anywhere to be honest

the reality on ground is far different from this

Dis Guy:
the minimum they should be getting should be around 50k in my opinion but you don't just print they money

its not about the money alone, also the condition of service.

otele:
noetic,
i'm not in support of obama either. I just wanted sound argument, not all this experience, change jargon. all showmanship but no real substance.

If u read the first post u will understand that sentiments were not invited only sound arguments.

otele:
good she reduced irrelevant white house staff.
beside every successful man. . . . . . true. . but is it always. . . . . . sometimes women help make their husbands succesful when the husbands would have been very succesful without them

you still havent made a sound point, to either butress ur sentiments or dispute my earlier arguments.

otele:
noetic,
anyway, i hate politicians with a passion. they are all a bunch of liars. it will ake the hosts of heaven to come down to my room physically to convince me that a politician is sincere. hilarry's tears were crocodile tears. obama's campaign reminds me of some sweet mouthed religious crooks in nigeria. edwards looks like a sore looser, thay are all the same to me.

politics is too serious a business to be left in the hands of politicians. do something and stop being pathetic, especially about ur own country.

otele:
noetic,
like churchill said, democracy is the worst form of govt . . . . only that the other forms are worse

well, i wish them luck.

uhmn! i rest my case

Bankole01:
Uninformed opinions should be kept to the chest only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you
cheers

quinofhart:
I really do not agree that the system is a separate entity, it is part of the whole mechanism that ploughs Nigeria on. The leaders have and will continue to leave legacies that will in effect be the SYSTEM.

So in other words, they (leaders) will continue to determine our destiny, according to u and there is nothing we can do about it?

humn!

Hillary ^{my girl} is begging me for campaign funds, _{i m too rich but i no give am}

naughty






yaradua asked me to come and "chop"

mrpataki:
You are highly incoherent! What exactly are you saying? I don't even know where to start raising my questions with you from.

What is the essence of living a life of Christ? Could you please explain?

I dont understand do you have issues with me or what?
what is written there is self-explicit

respect others religion. simple

Ganjaseed:
You are very unstable in your thoughts. where do you belong?

why are u attempting to insult me.

do u have any issues? I will gladly address them.

Ganjaseed:
@noetic

What is your view? that was the question. Not to rain abuse. How old are you anyway? you sound too foolish.

no be fight now, abi
u sounded biased from the topic, u then gave the topic without an opinion yet with provocative undertone.

I only wanted to be sure of your mental alertness, it has nothing to do with my age.
you sounded like a jejune-oriented extremist, take am easy

mrpataki:
Oh I see. You guys have issues with eachother. Well I guess you can both work it out.

If you know me, good for you. And please spare me oh.

i no know the guy oooooooooo
I think its a case mistaken identity on his part.
cheers

@pauluus, sabreeze, lioness,akani,ajia23, beyonce1

I will like to assume most of you are Xtians, and do despise the inactions of the pharasees and saducees towards Jesus.
but I can confidently assure u that, thats exactly what u are presently doing and even more unfortunately in this age of knowledge.

except for the few who spoke out of knowledge and expirience, I would have assumed the discussion is one-sided.

well to start with, I wasnt born in celestial, But today I am proudly one, _{though I hardly attend these days, but not for any of the reasons you think}. I can tell 1000 miserable things about celestial, but so is it prevalent in other denominations and religions and worse still they are readily accepted as the norms of life. and there worse cases in your churches.

while no matter what I say, certain opinions and convictions will not change, I will still say this.
true, God exists
true, He lives in heaven
true, no man has seen and will see God, until that day, but

your conscience is your God and its dictates are His commandment. your moral values explain what you do, how you do it and sometimes the church you attend. ^{depending on who u are going there to meet, God, pastor and or the congregation}

@ topic

I will never marry a person on the pecints of religion. If she can meet my "other" benchmarks, religion is the least of my worries.

Ganjaseed:
Could this be true? if it is true do we now agree that the Catholics are the anti Christ?

your thinking faculty is beclouded by ulterior motives.

good, u have provided us with two articles with links, now debate them n stop sounding like a
_{i change my mind}

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=104156.msg1838947#msg1838947 date=1199976361]@topic,

Pilgrim1, thanks for your contributions. Maybe your bility to articulate things better will help drive the points home better than I could.

@bobbyaf and noetic,

I am kind of busy now, but will find some time to come back and address the points you made. In the mean time, pilgrim1 has done a good job trying to set your thinking straight.

Like Shwazenegger, I'll be back!!!!!!!![/quote]I will be gladly waiting

Dis Guy:
improve morale?

there are already talk about police reforms* and this is a step in the right direction


*they've always been talks about police reforms

improve morale in the face of other harsh conditions. their improved morale is expected to help them face armed robbers better right?, so what happens to their family if they die in combat? or are injured? is it even not the same police officer who is ill equipped.
only when there is a political will to overhaul the system, then and only then can there be meaningfuldevelopment.

i cant even believe u said dat?

Bankole01:
This shows your ignorance of the lady and the American system. Clinton has been in the public service even before her husband became president. She a lot of pro-bono work in Arkansas and championed a lot or pro-peple projects as the fist lady.
When her husband became president, she championed health care system for all, but was defeated by the Republicans, Insurance and Pharmacitical companies, who knew they could no longer gouge the people as they have done for decades.
Health care scheme is now adopted by Republians and the general public of Americans as a progressive step for America, which in the long run, will promote health and production.

A Fulbright scholar like her husband Bill, Hillary is a very smart and shrewd lawyer, politician and nationalist, who will make a good, logical and very good president for America, even without imput from Bill (who happened the best president of the last three decades.

Even though I think her handlers are making her appear to hate Obama and making her campaign too negative, she is a better person than that.
She voted to fund the Iraqi war because that is what the American people wanted. The people believed approving the funding is akin to support for the soldiers and not necessary the war effort itself.
The war is clearly Bush's baby and his alone. The American people nowknow what a mistake it was and are clamouring to have the soldiers brought back home and Hillary will do just that.

I couldnt have stated it better.
cheers

oldie:
My choice will not count
The system has checks and balances
But I still prefer Obama
Because he is black
Is that not enough reason?

I am not surprised

flavourfla:
doyenn i quite agree with you your believes. it's takes one with wisdom from GOD, "WISDOM" to know, to find, to seek, to believe, to accept n to live life to the will of Allah
pilgrim.1 -Say not what u don't fully understand about the Al-Koran, if u were so sure of yourself hw come u don't know that God never discriminate almost if prophet.
davidylan- u don't have to be insultive to be heard, how about if u were wrong. live rooms for forgiveness of your sin, knowingly n the unknown sin . Live life like its will end the next second be fearful of your creator
it is only ignorant that lives in isolation, why do we study the science of life, i wonder if u people know that 2 angels will visit you in your grave the moment your laid down 6 feets below the ground. A judgement before the judgement day. find peace with your God, seek him and u shall find.
Lastly, i am not saying come be a muslim but be watchful of what u say about Prophet Muhammed(S.A.W). he has made is HEAVEN, just as Jesus , WHAT ABT You
ma salam

your first post in nairaland, and all you can say is something close to nonesense. very pathetic!

@topic

while I am not a fan of religious imposition, allowing this topic to move on un-abated is inescusable.

saying Jesus is a slave of God, reflects your mentality and orientation. very sad!
My case is this,
Isa was mentioned in the Quran, whatever u think of him is your business, but to relate him to Jesus in the Bible, is latter day madness.

using simple logic, let us assume God is false, let us assume we are all products evolution. don't you ^{in your right thinking sense} think that numerous crimes have been commited against humanity in the name of islam?
how do u explain a religion, where the messenger and message contradict each other.

u say islam is a religion of peace, was mohammed a man of peace? are his descendants and followers in their hundreds of million, men and women of peace? what moral justification do u give to a religion where its members create chaos, kill others, ruin lives and hoping to reap peace in paradise, in return?

true, you say not all muslims are extremists, but i don't know and havent heard of any Christian who has killed, kidnapped, terrorised, ruined lives and homes in the name of the bible or as a commandment of Christ.

now I ask you, that I may know, under sane and mental human comprehension, which would you prefer? a religion that preaches and acts peace or one that preaches peace, acts war in expection for a peaceful reward.

your answers will reflect your intelligence.
I don't expect u to see my point of view due to your bigotry. but I do expect you to keep the intellectual inadequacies of your morally bankrupt religion to your self.

put religion aside, learn morallity, then pick up religion again, I don't think u will still be a muslim.

@ almondjoy

u sef prove ur version

abi?

what I dont understand is the tot of trying to impose ur ideas on the other person.

u re a muslim, good for u
u b Xtian, good for u, or even antheist

but please dont try to ridicule some one else`s religion cos u dont know better n are not smarter.

uhmn

@poster

you could have at least provided a link to authenticate ur story

@joey82

you can perhaps give us an idea of what you think 26k will achieve.
then maybe I will get your point better.
cheers

what difference does this make?

tkb417:
yes we will revive our moral lives. . .duh!

Do us a favour, what church do you preach on Sundays? we need to listen to a whole dossier of your sermon Mrs.Fidelity.

please do revive your moral life immediately ^{b4 its too late}.

as for the church, you are invited, ^{its here on nairaland} https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-104156.0.html

lol

Joey82:
I think, this is the bold step and of course in d rite direction, a police recruit going home with 26k and its 4 real, no longer rumour as it were, a police officer confirmed to me that he's started collecting his bucks already.

Hope it reduces d level of corruption in the force and restores discipline, also hope police trully bcome our friends. Thanks to the federal government any way.

no offence intended, but u sound uninformed.

26k for what? no adequate affordable housing, no life insurance policies and he still has to buy his uniform.
the average police officer lives in a God-forsaken police barracks, where fortunately for him an armed robber will not robb. His predecessors, who he is supposed to look up to have not been paid their pensions and when they are, its not prompt.

we need a police force with well trained officers, properly catered for and who are led by example. this way we can aspire for a decent service.

attempting to seprate the problems of the police and that of nigeria in general, is unlogical arithmetic. a police officer`s kids will still go to public schools, use public hospitals, use public transport.
infact the police force is just a fraction of a "commatose" nigeria.

greed is exclusive to human beings, so 26k doesnt stop any one from collectin illegal N20.

so what can an irregular 26k do?

Na wah ooooooooo

my opinion.
true, you never know what u can do unless it happens.
true, doing it is a big sacrifice

but for the ladies (and unfortunately guys too) that have answered this question as yes, it tells about your morality and questions your faithfulness if eventually u get married or commited. y? cos for u to be conscious of doing such in extreme circumstances, u can definitely do such for fun ^infidelity. _{please revive your moral life}

me I say ^no NO _no