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so many deserving candidates,
i no want cheat anybody or make anybody vex

i will tink about it

will they?

i doubt it they will only have stupid titles

abi no b so?

@pilgrim

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=104156.msg1838662#msg1838662 date=1199971996]@neotic,

Please confirm:

2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith.

I guess the verse you were looking for was the very next one, verse 8 -

2 Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord,
the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto
all them also that love his appearing.

Now notice carefully:

(a) Paul's reference to his "departure" is NOT the same thing as his expectation of the reward!

(b) his "departure" happened in the past (v. 6); the "reward" is in the future (v. 8).

(c) there is a huge difference between these two:

~ "the time of my departure is at hand" (v. 6)

~ "the righteous judge, shall give me at that day" (v. 8)

Please keep these things in clear perspective and try not to assume issues before you draw a conclusion.

I'll try and watch developments and then come back to share what you really are missing in assuming that the departed saints are in their graves.

Cheers. [/quote]u have said it all!

his departure is at hand ^{he is dying or death is near}

his reward is in the future _{judgement day}

no be so?
cheers

loll!

ehen hen, and so what?

Seun:
Hillary Clinton strikes me as the kind of person who will do or say anything for political reasons. I don't think she has any personal convictions or elements of moral fibre in her soul. I believe she's going to run things just like GW Bush. We need someone who has sincerity and a moral compass.

that remains your opinion and you are entitled to it cos u only tink so but cant prove it ^{don't take it personal and ban me ooooooooo}

kaycrystal:
@noetic

if we don't first settle the nigeria question, then we can't possibly have a successful mass protest and pro-people struggle as you put it!

and how do we settle the nigerian question?
By you and I spreading the gospel of responsibility and standing up to be counted when it matters most.
or what justification can you give ur kids for a failed nigeria?

the leaders!
I ask on ur kids behalf What did u do about it?

It is good to know that this subject is raising spiritual awareness amongst us all.

The issue is do the dead in Christ go to heaven or await ressurection? infact it means Has anyone of the dead in Christ recieved God`s promise of eternal life yet?

I think that there have been lots of misconception about it all, and it basically has to do with our individual interpretation or insight into certain scriptures.

but first let us examine why Xtians believe that a dead person in Christ goes straight to heaven.

1. Elijah was taken to heaven. but ask yourself was Elijah taken to heaven?
2. Enoch was taken to heaven. but was enoch taken to heaven?

but first what and where is heaven?.
a). Heaven is the dwelling place of God (deut26vs15). but God has been existing before the creation of Heaven and its contents. Genesis1vs1 records the creation of heaven. since the bible never recorded that God has a begining, it is safe to say that Heaven was not created out of the desire of God to have a dwelling place.
b)Heaven is anywhere outside the physical realm of planet earth. it includes the moon, stars and planets. this is attested to in Psalm8vs3 " When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place. it is butressed in Gen26vs4, deut1vs10 and isiah13vs10.

now the question was Elijah taken heaven, since Jesus said in John3vs13 that "no one has gone into heaven, except He that came out of it"? where then did Elijah go? 2 kings2vs11 "As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind"
but where was Elijah taken to? while many of us felt he was taken to God`s dwelling place, his prophets knew otherwise in verses 16 and 17, they set search parties of about 50 strong men to look for Elijah, thinking the chariots whirlwind had thrown him up on a mountain. but all in no avail they didnt find him. but Elijah did not go to heaven. y?
the last record of Elijah`s transaction happened during the reign of king ahaziah in 2 kings chapter1. Elisha takes over, and his reign corresponds with king jehosaphat who was suceeded jehoram several years later. now read "2chronicles21:12-15". Elijah sent Jehoram a letter warning him of his sins. that proves he was still alive and on earth. my guess is he died since the bible says in hebrews9vs27 "it is appointed for men to die once"

@ Tayo-D

you still havent answered the questions I posed to you. where is David? consideing the revealations of peter and Jesus.
and you also used three lovely scriptural refrences out of context.
luke24:39 simply tells you that as followers of Christ, His form of ressurection (the spirit and the body in whole) is what we will expirience, not now but until then.
hebrews12:23 "to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect," their names are written in heaven, but they are not in heaven.
Hebrews11vs40 refers to all the goodies of life. perhaps to help you comprehend my point of view. ask yourself what was the purpose of heaven and earth? God`s idea of eternal life? but consider the creation and the garden of eden in your thoughts.

@bobbyaf

@

Bobbyaf:
Satan from the garden of Eden first suggested to Eve that disobeying God would not surely result in death. He somehow convinced her, as he has done millions today, that no one really dies when they die. Some how their departed spirit is alive.

I feel u

What was God`s plan for adam and eve? his plan was that they dwell on earth, have dominion, be fruitful and multiply, never to taste death till all of eternity. Satan stole that by deception.

there was no passage plan for men to transform from death to eternal life, cos death was not in the plan of God for man. Now that Jesus has redeemed us, those of us who know him and lived before, during and after his coming are all awaiting the promise of eternal life. hebrews11:39 "All these people are known for their faith, but none of them received what God had promised"

@pilgrim
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=104156.msg1837524#msg1837524 date=1199952606]@Bobbyaf,

Of course, we know what Paul meant by his "departure", for he spoke about it in 2 Tim. 4:6 -- "For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand". Just what exactly did Paul mean by this? Did he mean the same thing as you intoned earlier -- "the hope of one day possessing that heavenly body"?? Was Paul waiting for "one day" to come in the FUTURE before he could depart?!?

Please carefully compare scripture with scripture and seek to understand the context of what the apostle taught before resting your persuasions on a small word - such as "rather".

Shalom.[/quote]2 timothy4vs7 confirms that Paul was waiting for that day!

her "success" is subject to debate.

kaycrystal:
you cannot separate the leaders from the system, u can't draw a line and polarize the two. quinofhart asked who created the system?

the system is a reflection of societal beliefs and convictions. societal values and priorities. A system has a always set the yard stick for others (including our leaders) to follow. please read my earlier posts about societies that have stood up when it maters most.

kaycrystal:
if u say stand up and be counted how do u mean??

It simply means be an active member of the society and not a passive member. vehemently oppose all socio-political and economic vices, thrown at us by laying aside all tribal sentiments.

Its a people thing, not a one man thing. you readily made refrence  to jery rawlings, thats because it was a one man revolution. south africa`s anti-apatheid struggle and kenya`s recent outburst readily comes to mind as "successfull" pro-people struggles.

@ willy
u answered your own question.

Akala does not enjoy the mandate of the people, he is a friend of those who despised Awo (as a student of history, u should know them).

No true friend of the people, who enjoys their mandate will do such a thing, including you willy.

and so what?

may God give us all the grace to seek Him!!!




amen!
u sef say amen.

and then what?

uhmn, d same person



but dis no b joke now
peolpe sha?

you are in support of obama, you are not telling us why, u re only picking on hillary.
let us examine your points

otele:
what did she do to make her active. and what precisely is this "active" and how did it contribute to making her hubby's presidency prosperous? i remember clinton saying during the 2000 campaign for al gore that al gore was behind the greatness of his 8 yr presidency. today we hear it's hilary who was behind it.

she headed the clinton`s presidency national health scheme. which includes the insurance and the general welfare package. the success or failure of which is subject to debate. courtesy of her approach, administrative staff of white house, most especially the office of the first lady was reduced.

courtesy of her we did not have a gallivanting first lady, busy with philantropic projects at the detriment of the tax payers. she offered a career minded first lady approach which should be emulated by by our numerous state and national first ladys _{they are draining the national treasury}

If u are conversant with political tenses, u will agree with me that what bill clinton said in 2000 about al-gore was only a political statement, because Gore saw bill as a political liability because of the monica lewinsky scandal and as such he never gave clinton an integral role in his campaign for presidency. to me, thats he why he lost. but of course u know the african adage "beside every successfull man, there is a woman".

otele:
what are the pro people , african and intellectual policies she pushed in the senate. she voted for the irak war, she voted to fund it,  so what are those people and african policies she moved for.

you can research that online. google search will be useful.

otele:
you think she actually forgave him? are you sure? she might have kept him b/c of her ambitions. everytime i see two of them in public, i really don't find that affection that you would see in bush/laura, kerry/theresa, al gore/his wife, edwards/elisabeth, otele/ifyalways  . . . . etc .

that is subject to your opinion.

give instances when we have made sacrifices? ^{pls dont mention adams oshiomole`s NLC strikes}

I m tempted to start this topic, perhaps because of the ever rising popularity obama is generating in nairaland, mostly because of his black skin colour.

For a fact, I m not eligible to vote because as a Nigerian, resident in London, no way for that. but given the chance I will vote Hillary Clinton. y? the reasons are obvious.

She is experienced. Having been an "active" first lady during the 8 prosperous years of her hubby`s presidency. an incubent senator who has made a niche for her self, considering her clout in propagating pro-people, African and intellectual policies. In fact she is offering us a two in one package. vote for her and you have two lovely presidents.

Her action in forgiving husband bill`s "sexual atrocities" 14 years ago, when others in similar positions would have opted for divorce (considering the incessant break-down of the marriage and family institutions) has made me her admirer over the years.

Hillary will make a better president when compared to Obama.
and if you think otherwise state your reasons but please don't remind us he is black from Africa blah blah blah.

put God first .

regardless of her qualification, if she has that special space in my heart, we gooo marry, then every other tin shall fall in place.

and so what?

hoping we havent had sex, I will break it all up. but if we have had sex I will spread d virus



wwyd if yaradua appoints u as his petroluem minister?

i ban u for suspecting i will ban u

nonesense!
naughty








I no like ya phaze

let gifty follow her head but not make enemies in the process.

whats d point dumping him, if u really dont want to?

what gives u d impression gifty`s inactions is not what is making the guy insecure, thus looking for "safety" else where?.

u never can know, he might only be looking for an avenue to play "away games", cos he may still love gifty.

gifty think dont feel.

@ poster

All you have successfully done is to accuse your history teacher of teaching you falsehood of what you are not able to substantiate.
at least logically ^{assuming you can think logically}.

so if oduduwa is from bini like you claim, how come we are not speaking the same language. the last time I checked bini sounded alien to me.

my guy! say something else

@topic
you dont need any documented fact.

Awo practiced free, qualitative and compulsory basic primary education, that gave us an edge over all other regions then.

and now, na southwest get schools past. and it is here that emphasis is mostly laid on education

@ nigeria one
that was funny.

@topic

what has he really done in office? very hard to tell.
while I have my reservations about him, his style and the process that brought him in, coupled with our silent consent. I still think we should wait till 12 months to get a better picture of this man and his goverment.

though the signs are not encouraging
let us wait because time will tell.

thank you for trying to mis-inform, but we are better informed.

clinton was leading before the iowa primary, obama won.
obama was leading before the new hem primary, clinton won.

they have both raised $50m dollars each, that explains their networking.

thay have both ironed the main issues, with obama clinging on generational change and clinton on expirience.

please dont limit our intelligence to racial affiliation.

they both have a 50-50 chance.

respct ur heart,

go with ur head,

obey God.

It is well

good work, good creativity.