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GoodMuyis:
My Last weekend went down with fill disappointment, where a lot of educated folks asked question "When did Military Personnel turn to Medical staff ?" that will be administering Health Service to Civilian, I guess a lot of them were used to Self/Home Treatment with Local Herbs, Local Clinic or Drug store, we should not blame the.

It was a surprise to me too the first time I visited 44 Nigeria Army Reference Hospital, Kaduna, I was to stay overnight with the patient. The next morning, it was time for routine checkup of patients, I saw this Lady/Woman between 35-40 years of age bracket, and in full military Khaki and boot, except that she did not have gun on her, came to examine/questioned the patient I stayed with. She must be a Lieutenant and one of the doctors.

Previously I Knew The Nigeria Armed Force do recruit Medical Personnel, But i did not expect them to be working/depolyed in an Hospital that admitted Civilians. So I dont want to budge you with story, below is a Very Short List of Military (NOT ALL) Clinics and Hospitals in Nigeria, believed me they are one of the best in any state. For example the 44 Nigeria Army Reference Hospital, Kaduna is said to be second best in Kaduna state after General Hospital Shika, Zaria which was among the best in Nigeria.

If you have ever visited any Military Clinics or Hospitals in Nigeria, you will know that are more friendly than our regular Medical Centers



List Source: http://www.medpages.co.za/sf/index.php?page=serviceregion&servicecode=364&countryid=22

For more info visit Defence Health Maintenance Limited Website dhmlnigeria. com

@Op, save your breath, illiteracy and ignorance is allowed, even amongst graduates; so just save you breath. Moreover, most of the ignorance you witness today is just fuelled by politics, politics of emotions.

Sometime else which

months:
WHILST U GET FEVER OVER JACOB ZUMA.

THE REAL IGBOS ARE GETTING FEVER OVER A POTENTIAL OBJ OR BUHARI STATUE THERE.

months:

U WANT TO PRETEND TO BE AN IGBO MAN NOW?

WE DONT WANT U.

I DONT HAVE TO GIVE U ANY REASON, I AM MY OWN MAN.

THE ONLY PLACE I WILL FAULT ROCHAS IS SEEING ANY NIGERIAN ON A STATUE THERE THAT IS NOT IGBO.

Hmm... You leave me totally confused at the point you're trying to make. I would just assume you're a child and leave it at that. Happy Sunday!

months:
Y are all the people complaining here Yorubas?

Is Imo State now part of the SW?

OP is yoruba, the blog is yoruba?

Just asking?

What in the name of God has this got to do with tribe?.. What does it matter if it happened in the SW or SS or north? we're talking international relations here. Give me one reason why Zuma deserves a statue, just one reason please?

ANd how on earth did you come to the weird conclusion that I'm Yoruba?

anuoluwapo884:
Imo State Governor Rochas Okorocha has unveiled a giant statue of South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma and named a road after him during his visit to Owerri, the state capital this weekend, Governor Okorocha also conferred on President Zuma, the Imo Merit Award, the highest award in the State conferred on distinguished personalities who have made a difference in the development of their communities and to humanity. All with tax payers money. How would this benefit Imo state and Nigeria as a whole. I Sincerely hope it would stop xenophobia In SA.

How on earth does one explain this madness?

How does one explain this kind of madness?

nairavsdollars:
Will heaven fall if President Muhammadu Buhari pick and support his Vice, Professor Yemi Osinbajo to succeed him in 2019? There are feelers that is what he wants to do

Future impossible tense...

Bullhari007:
Op you are a fvcking liar Ibadan will never be complete without this picture

I knew that picture was going to surface

paulynpen:
Hahaha. You should be ashamed of yourself for founding your brains in d anus

Explain yourself please.. What does this comment have to do with what I said?... Are you disputing any part of what I said?.. Why don't you point it out?... Or is it beyond your intellectual capacity to do that?

HungerBAD:
Interesting.

My advice is simple. The parents rushing to pick up their kids from school, believing the military wants to inject their kids, should also enrol in the same school with their kids after all these drama.

It shows they not only lack common sense,but that they too like their kids,needs some formal kind of education.

What does the military stand to gain harming the citizenry?and just like i told somebody yesterday. You will think with the constant complaint about the Military in Nigeria, that it is only populated by the Northerners and that there are no other tribes inside.

Anybody that has lived close to a Military formation/base knows the military conduct these exercises to civilians from time to time. From free Vaccinations, to checking of BP to eye treatments and one time they even shared Condoms along the streets.

But no,Buhari is President and wants to kill all Southerners.

Some years ago. I think Goodluck Jonathan was the President then(i stand to be corrected), 84 Northern Kids were killed when a fake teething medication(MY PIKIN) was sold to their parents who gave their kids to consume.

A Yoruba man (Adeyemo) and an Edo man (Eromosele)were both convicted and sent to jail for it. I did not read anywhere that Jonathan was trying to kill Northerners, since the makers of the drugs are Southerners.

We should stop viewing everything this Government does as evil. It is not healthy for us.

Mynd44 and Lalasticlacla what is your opinion?

@the bolded, you obviously did not listen out very well. In the far northern rural villages, a strong diabolic rumour was circulated that GEJ and his southern Christian compatriots were trying to reduce the population of the north; the rumours accused GEJ (and even CAN) of being the sponsors of Boko haram to reduce the voting population of the north. They also accused GEJ and the western world (through Bill Gates' foundation) of trying to reduce northern voting population by poisoning northern children through fake immunisation. The saddest part of that irresponsible propaganda was that even a highly educated, enlightened and respected northern leader like Nasir El Rufai was a champion in spreading the damaging ethno-religious propaganda. Consequently, a lot of rural northern parents frantically prevented their kids from getting immunised for diseases like polio; the pfizer case made it even worse. That is why Nigeria still remains one of the only 2 countries globally where polio still exists; it was as a result of an ill-thought dangerous political play.

Today the same nonsense is repeating itself down south. But truth be told, it started from the north...

PointB:
You are still grasping at straws, ranting and raving as if that will in anyway change the situation.

The ones (Nigeria's ill informed military) who created the pandemonium have retraced their steps by suspending their ill-thought and shabbily executed medical outreach which main failure was trying to coerce minors into co-operation without their parents' consent.

Shouting IPOB, IPOB from now till eternity changes nothing.

Bro, I was already over with you when I realised you were a staunch ipob member. From experience, I know better than to expect any form of objectivity from you. Peace!

PointB:
I'm sure you'll have no problem sipping from your own medicine by providing the IPOB source of the rumour. Sane people know not to believe a lying government account.

Real sane people would be asking the source of the story they heard before going ahead to peddle it, sound minds would make an attempt to know whether it's true or false before they make further comments; but the insane ones dont really care where the story came from, they dont care how incredulous it is, they dont care whether the story is sourceless, pointless or baseless. As long as it seems to fit into their warped socio-political ideology, then it is 100% welcome.

You asked how I knew the story came from an ipob source? You dont need a soothsayer to tell you it's only ipob media sources that create and peddle such nonsense; I received several broadcast messages yesterday from ipob inclined sources. Even on facebook, all the pages which shared the story of how 3 or 100 kids were already killed were all linked to ipob. Here is one below.

Under the current circumstances, a really sane person who still peddles the rumour about soldiers poisoning children should be wondering why more than 24 hours later, not a single person has been identified as a victim of the so called lethal injections. We definitely meet all sorts of people online indeed...

PointB:
You claimed without proof (bar government sponsored denials) that there was no coercion. Then you somehow conjured up another story that IPOB is the source of the rumour. Again without proof. Like I said whatever tickles your fancy.

The Army meanwhile have done the right thing by suspending the ill-thought and shoddily executed operation. I'm sure when they are properly organised, they come back and do it better.

Stop foaming in the mouth in your desperate bid to put into existence, something which never existed. You claimed the military injected children to death, some say 3 kids, other sources said 100 kids, stop perambulating in pointless circles and provide the name or the location or the pictures of the 3 kids (or is it 100 as some lousy punks claimed) that were killed with injection by the military. That shouldn't be too difficult in this social media and cheap camera phone era (I was even expecting you or some of your ilk to have churned up some fake propaganda pics by now).

If you or any of your ilk cant do that, then kindly shut-up and stop embarrassing yourself by insisting on your pointless allegations which neither you nor your anti-Nigeria co-conspirators can substantiate.

PointB:
Who, but the insanely gullible, believes anything this government says? When the first thing that comes out of their mouth is usually a lie.

You need to proof it was a malicious rumour; provide evidence or shut your trap!

A rumour pops up that children were killed by lethal injection administered by soldiers and voila! you instantly jump up definitely in excitement and start criticising; afterall this is probably the only way you know how to play opposition.

Several releases have claimed it was just a rumour, more than 24 hours later, no one has been able to point out where the so called incident of the forceful lethal injection took place, but of course, you wouldnt be having any of that, you wouldnt be entertaining any counter-claim that bursts your bubble or kills your joy over the report report yesterday that "Apc/buhari govt was murdering Igbo children".

A rumour is raised, the rumour is discounted but you insist the rumour was true. You obviously are the one raising an allegation that something which never happened actually happened, at the same time you think I'm the one who should be providing evidence?... How does that make sense?

giftq:
So you support the m0ronic army and their genocidal vaccination scam.

No more words for you... Peace!

obailala:
The only thing Im not supporting is deliberate ignorance, self inflicted politically motivated ignorance. You have been exhibiting that for too long with your continuous ridiculous insistence that children were injected with poisonous substances even though you know very well thaat what you talk of is nonsense.

The hardest man to wake is the one who's feigning his sleep; similarly, tbe hardest person to teach is the one who is faking his ignorance. Peace out!

giftq:
stop supporting genocide, incompetence and wickedness toward kids.

The only thing Im not supporting is deliberate ignorance, self inflicted politically motivated ignorance. You have been exhibiting that for too long with your continuous ridiculous insistence that children were injected with poisonous substances even though you know very well thaat what you talk of is nonsense.

The hardest man to wake is the one who's feigning his sleep; similarly, tbe hardest person to teach is the one who is faking his ignorance. Peace out!

PointB:
You can also keep blaming IPOB instead of holding the military accountable for bungling what they deemed a routine assignment. I'm sure it cut both ways.

If it must be done at all (by the military) it must be done well. If the military can't anticipate and counter 'rumours', what exactly can it do right?

A malicious rumour is raised against a person, the general public begins to react to your malicious rumour. But here you are, desperately defending the rumour originators while passing all the blame for the chaos caused to the person whom you know was wrongly accused; you accuse him of "not handling/countering the rumours properly," this is despite the public press releases by the military and the state govt. Probably the military should have brought Angel Gabriel from heaven to come counter the rumours 'properly'.

You are truly 'a Daniel in judgement.' Since your argument makes sense to you, Kontinuu!

OlivetBen:
my brother it seems as if u failed to understand. I'm not disputing the fact that army does have hospitals, i stated it in my first comment. but their hospitals is based only in their barracks and if u wish to receive treatment there, you are free to, they don't discriminate so far you come. but for them to come out of barracks and start administering drugs, my brother if it is happening here in Nigeria, I'm telling u that it is abnormal. You said that soldiers walking on the the streets is not new to Nigeria, and that is the reason why I'm telling you that it's abnormal though it happens here in Nigeria. I told you that if it were in a saner clime, it won't happen. Go and read about the Catalan referendum that just happened, did u see any military men? even the police men that displayed unimaginable character were frowned at by the international community. Not that they used normal bullets but rubber bullets.

Regarding the bolded, it's called a 'medical outreach', please jump into google and educate yourself.

supersystemsnig:
More drama..


APC and the drama continkues

You mean "more embarrassing drama from frustrated PDP losers like Omokri who would stop at nothing to blame every Tom, Dick, Harry, Ogbonna, Oby, Emeka, Tunde, Jubrin etc for the election loss of his boss which consequently deprived him of his meal ticket"?

From blaming Obama, to blaming Cameron, to blaming Hilary, and now they have remembered Campbell. Ni wonder Omokri and his gang all celebrated with street carnivals when Trump won the election; to them, it was strangely sweet revenge victory against APC

OlivetBen:
I didn't term you ignoramus. what I'm saying is that military mandates are limited to barracks. in a saner clime, you hardly see a soldier in uniform on the street of civilians let alone administering drugs. The only time you can see a soldier on the street is only when they are going for war and anything of such. More so, if such a thing should happen in Nigeria, i think proper sensitization should be given to citizens; schools, churches, mosques etc so that civilians won't be afraid of anything. You want to tell me if it had happened in the West here, people wouldn't have been thrown into panic? Let's reason well bro.

1. Soldiers walking on the streets in Nigeria is not a new thing, there's nothing unusual about it in Nigeria.

2. Soldiers carrying out medical outreaches to the public is not a new thing too in Nigeria; it's also not a strange occurence globally. Civilians attend military run hospitals, and civilians attend military run schools; there is nothing new or unusual about that. As a civilian, I have freely walked into a military hospital and received treatment before, likewise I know several people who have attended army day secondary schools, navy secondary schools and air force schools; there is nothing unusual about that and the military guys arent zombies that should be quarantined from the public until the next war.

It's been all over the news that the military will be conducting a free medical outreach where people go and get free medical consultations and free drugs, it has happened in Ebonyi last month, it happened in Abia 2 weeks ago and it was brought to Anambra lately. I'm not sure I understand the kind of 'proper publicity' you wanted the event to get. It is a voluntary exercise and I see no sense in the needless, ignorant vilification of the exercise; anybody who isnt interested is free to ignore it, public hospitals are still functuonal.

PointB:
So appearing on news media (which only few people able to access) is the best way the military were able to sensitize the people on a very sensitive issue like medical outreach. What was the news about and who were targeted in the the media campaign. Or you think it's enough for the military to announce in the news that they will be conducting medical outreach? Was the affected area mentioned? Did they include their methodology? Was there fliers, banners? How did they inform the parents that their wards will be affected in the exercise? If they were convinced by the military of their intention why would the parent brave all odds to pull their children/wards out of school?

You can keep blaming IPOB (a ghost) all you like. Hopefully, in your mind, that will exonerate the military bungling of their own exercise by failing to conduct proper sensitization.

Your bolded question above has been repeated like a broken record and answering it is now becoming tiring. With the sort of scary rumours flying about yesterday and the chaos it caused, I really dont think I can place why any discerning person would still keep asking me why parents had to go withdraw their kids from school.

Now you claim the military didnt carry out proper sensitization, I suppose you expected the military to go print fliers, pay community town criers etc to announce to the world that they are carrying out free voluntary medical services?... You obviously are hell-bent on blaming the military for the scare mongering rumours started by some dubious folks... Since it makes you feel better to blame the military for offering free health services instead of blaming originators of the senseless scare rumours, kindly please yourself biko..

giftq:
But incompetent soldiers vaccinating minors without parental consent is not a form of political opposition, right?

You are beginning to sound irritating like a broken record. I have asked you to point out where that happened and who it happened to but you've been dancing around in pointless circles.

PointB:
Like you said, you live in London, so you basically have little or no conviction on your comments, compare to those who are directly affected. So you of course have the liberty to choose what to believe.

There is no smoke without fire. If you insist there is nothing ill-thought about it, why were parents not carried along, while their wards were involved. There are suggestion that three persons died already as result of the exercise. Whether that was the 'certain source of the dangerous rumour' or not you obviously have no iota of idea. You are desperately trying to fit your narration within the context of the IPOB versus Army situation. While IPOB may have a beef with the Army and could potentially fuel this rumour, have you asked yourself this question:

Didn't this medical outreach start in September? Why was this 'rumour' only effective yesterday?


You still think there is no smoke without fire?

I am a Nigerian, my entire family lives in Nigeria and I am only temporarily away. So the false alarms and chaos is as much my business as much as it is everyone else's.

You asked why parents werent carried along?... The story of the medical outreach has been in the news for over a week, even the ex COAS Ihejirika visited recently and it was in the media. You still insist the military woke up and suddenly started vaccinating children without parental consent, I have asked the question severally, where exactly did that happen besides just the whatsapp and Facebook broadcast messages originating from the usual suspect?... Can you swear on you life that it happened in real life anywhere?

There is no smoke without fire yes! But we all know where the fire came from - ipob sources hell bent on creating chaos and inducting everyone into their needless prejudice and paranoia against anything Nigeria. Yes the outreach staryed since last month, but it only takes one nincompoop behind a phone to start fear mongering through rumours.

Once again, these children that were forcibly injected and killed without patental consent, how come the peddlers of this information cant get a name or location?

giftq:
They have every reason to fear the idi0tic policies of APC and the Zoogerian army.

Stop making excuses for a failed government led by incompetent old men and women.

Good thing you've just come out straight, the entire arguments and counter-arguments, and the whole saga has all along just being nothing but a form of political opposition for you and plenty others. Have a great day!

giftq:
If they come and and start speaking, you will come up with another scheme to doubt them.

Just remain in London and leave those of us on the ground here to deal with real issues.

Deal with which real issues?.. By spreading fear and deliberately inflicting paranoia and chaos?... Is that the best way to deal with any issue?....

PointB:
If it was with parents' consent why would same parents come for their children in schools? Why would at least one of them scale school fence to rescue her ward. If it was rumour mongering by IPOB, what was the Military response to the rumour? Are they incapable of dealing with such rumours? If they are, what exactly can the military do well?

Fact is, as with most things in Nigeria, this exercise is clearly ill thought, and shabbily implemented. In IT they'll say, it didn't pass UAT (Users Acceptance Test). And that's no fault of the parents or the children whom they sought to vaccinate (or poke with needles).

Children running away and parents frantically scaling fences to pick their children was obviously a result of the dangerous rumours from 'certain sources' about children being forcibly injected with killer substances in schools by soldiers. I live in London but even yestrday, I also received several broadcast messages to warn friends and relatives. If I were a parent, even though I know better, I would have also gone to pick my kids. Likewise if I was a student, I would have also run away upon hearing such a dangerous rumour. So I dont think you need a soothsayer to tell you why parents frantically went to pick their kids, not after the barrage of deadly messages in the airwaves yesterday.

Regarding the exercise generally, there's nothing ill-thought about it; this isnt the first time it is happening, the SE isnt the only place it is happening and Nigeria isnt the only place where the military has organised a medical outreach before. The only reason it became a problem is cos the way the SE has basically made Nigeria its enemy and the paranoia and distrust that follows that. Lastly, the outreach is voluntary, anyone who doesnt need it should simply ignore it; how is that too much of a problem?

giftq:
There is no smoke without fire.



Read the vanguard news article and see for yourself https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/10/commotion-s-east-vaccine/

The article contains exactly the same thing I said, parents rushing to collect their kids from schools cos they heard a rumour that Nigerian soldiers are injecting Igbo children with killer monkey pox virus under the guise of vaccination (forceful vaccination). Infact the rumour mill had it that 3 kids who refused to be injected were shot dead. I live in London presently but my phone kept buzzing yestrday with broadcast messages with different forms of this dangerous rumour urging people to spread the news to all relatives in the SE. You dont need a soothsayer to explain to you why parents had to go pick their children from school.

Oh yes there's no smoke without fire, but i this case, the fire is well known, there's strong hate mongering in the entire SE zone of Nigeria against the govt and against the military for obvious reasons; the campaigns against the military and against the FG has also set deep paranoia and distrust in the minds of the people. The only fire required to produce this smoke is just ine nincompoop sitting in his house and composing the text message and broadcasting to all his contacts. This issue can easily be investigated, reason why I asked if you remotely know anyone whose child was ACTUALLY vaccinated without their consent. Such a person shouldnt be too difficult to find if they really exist.

giftq:
Playing around with words will not help you here.
If Tinsel consented to his kids vaccination, does that mean that millions of other parents also consented?


Again, deflecting from the issue will not help your case.
You heard of children RUNNING away and you are still asking roundabout questions.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/10/commotion-s-east-vaccine/

If we must be honest with ourselves, you are the one dodging the questions I raised. Children running away and parents frantically scaling fences to pick their children was obviously a result of the dangerous rumours from 'certain sources' about children being forcibly injected with killer substances in schools by soldiers. If I were a parent, even though I know better, I would have also gone to pick my kids. Likewise if I was a student, I would have also run away upon hearing such a dangerous rumour.

But the real question I would ask you again, and which I would implore you not to dodge this time is, "did the army really forcibly vaccinate any child without parental consent?" "Do you know know anyone whose child was vaccinated without their consent?... or are you just like millions of others who just conclude and pass comments based on a pre-existing prejudice against the soldiers/government?

giftq:
Contact user tinsel for starters

Tinsel didn't say his kids were forcibly vaccinated without his consent, YOU DID! So it seems you know something which both myself and Tinsel dont know.

Dont get me wrong, I might be wrong, reason why I'm just asking if you personally know anyone whose kids were forcibly vaccinated without their consent.

OlivetBen:
My guy stop acting like ignoramus, military personnels have no right to come out and start administering drugs on civilians. Yes, they have medics but only in their barracks, civilians can as well visit their hospitals.

Take it easy bro, I just stumbled into this your comment. Take it easy as you label someine else an ignoramus in an issue you know nothing about. Medical outreaches by the military is a common thing which occurs all over the world; this one isnt even the first time its happening in Nigeria.

giftq:
You cannot go about vaccinating minors without parental consent.
If this point is difficult for you to understand, then you really belong in the zoo.

I've been pretty busy for 2 days now so I havent followed up on this story very well. But maybe you can enlighten me a bit. Regarding what you just wrote above, do you have any proof that any child was forcibly vaccinated without parental consent?... Besides the rumour mill on social media (which typically originates from faceless ipob sources or from the camp of politically disgruntled persons), was there really any child that was vaccinated without parental consent?.. Let's be honest, do you know any?

PointB:
Does any of these defenders of the ill-thought poorly executed military medical outreach has an answer to this?
What disease(s) were South East children being vaccinated against without parents' consent? Surely it's not monkey pox.

I've been pretty busy for 2 days now so I havent followrd up this story very well. But from the little I've read, I see all this as needless scare mongering by ipob and some other political losers; I may be very wrong though. But regarding what you just wrote above, do you have any proof that any child was forcibly being vaccinated without parental consent?... Besides the rumour mill on social media (which typically originates from ipob sources or from the camp of politically disgruntled persons), was there really any child that was vaccinated without parental consent?.. Let's be honest, do you know any?