₦airaland Forum

Rossikk:
You sound very ignorant. The trains are 'modern' enough. And I've been around, so I can tell you.

Sorry I'm not ignorant and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

lilwill:
You've got it all wrong. for starters over 40%of Nigerians do not have power at all. even 7,000mw is barely enough for Lagos ( the most populous state) to get 24/7 electricity in all its environs

For the majority who are connected to power supply, the little 5000mw ensured up to 18-20hrs. And to correct your statememt, its mostly very rural areas that aren't still connected to the grid and these users dont make up anywhere near 40%. Nigerians are mostly concentrated in cities and all cities are connected to the grid. Even if we were to connect every single unconnected home to the grid today, the potential power demand from these unconnected rural areas wouldnt be up to 5% of the total power demand nationwide.

PapaBrowne:
But Jonathan yab sha.
How can he work this wonderful work and allow Buhari and Amaechi take credit despite not putting thier single finger to it.
Lesson to be learned. When you have stuff to do, do it like there's no tomorrow. Start whatever you start and make sure you have capacity to finish it to the best standards or else it will be taken away from you and your enemy will put a badge on it and claim he built it.

Soon Amaechi will go and commission Enugu Airport and also put his badge on it.[size=15pt]these projects have been completely paid for under a loan agreement with the Chinese[/size].

FYI, this project was started by Jonathan and not Obj or Yar Adua as some folks are claiming. Obj project was for the LAgos KAno leg that had long been stalled. Also the project has long been completed since Early 2015. The only thing Amaechi did was to approve the payment for compensation for a seminary whose fence had to to be destroyed along the right of way. He delayed the commission so as to take some credit.But it's Ok and way better than the foolery of abandoning a project because it was started by an opposition predecessor.

A simple common sense scenario...

If Mr AAA orders 10 plates of peppersoup and big stout for his friends. After enjoying the treat, Mr BBB is required to pay the bill.

Who shall we thank for the meal?.... Mr AAA or Mr BBB?

Now just to clarify something you said up there, OBJ signed the contract for both the Abuja to Kaduna and Lagos to Kano lines with the Chinese. Yaradua came in, suspended the project on the basis of irregularities and then passed on later. GEJ then resurrected the project, paid the counterpart fund (while the Chinese sponsored the rest) and the project was executed.

Even with the project being completed largely, Buhari still had to spend over N15 billion in the 2016 budget for this very Abuja to Kaduna project to completely seal the job before its operation. Currently, Buhari has also just released part of the counterpart funds (up to N120billion paid this year) for the Lagos to Kano and Lagos to Calabar lines.

So please Papa Browne, let us quit these immature "it is GEJ's project" rants. Government is a continuum and every one has had their own roles to play and even if God willing, Buhari completes the Lagos-Kano and Lagos to Calabar lines, even in the next 15 to 20 years, successive governments would still be stuck paying back the loans. Neither GEJ nor OBJ nor Buhari has these projects cos the projects aren't being paid for from their personal pockets. Thanks.

Train still looks like those archaic containers which goodluck bought to run on the old rails. I thought more modern trains should have been bought.

Phonefanatic:
I asked a very reasonable question. Who's job is it to protect the pipelines?

If the pipelines are protected like you said don't you think they will be better supply of electricity?

We have a country with zero security, a country where security forces only know how to harrass, extort and kill the innocent. Pipeline infrastructure are as vulnerable as candle was close to a heat source. If we must be real, it takes only patriotism for those pipelines not to be blown, there's absolutely nothing the govt can do if a people decide to sabotage their own development.

Phonefanatic:
That's roughly N600million per trip if I go by your assumption and he has taken more than 10 trips in his first year in office then calculate for 4 years ....... My calculator is showing me error when I tried to calculate.

It's still nothing compared to the money we're talking about, still less than 3% of $1bn.

989900:
We might need over a 100,000MW to totally power everything and everyone without blinking, especially with a growing economy and populace.

But there was fairly stable power supply at 5,000MW last year.

If the militants and vandals would allow, Fashola promised 7,000MW by end 2016 to early 2017, and 10,000 by end 2018.

@7,000 MW we should have roughly 12-14 hours stable across board.

@ 10,000 MW probably 14-17 hours across board (relatively).

@15,000MW we should be doing 20 hours + . . . which is a good step going forward.


The above can be achieved only if power generation and transmission is decentralized and adequately diversified.

The present laws make it "rocket science".

At a meagre 5,000mw, Nigerians enjoyed up to 18-20hrs power supply accros the entire country for months. I can assure you that 7,000 to 10,000 can translate to a steady 20-22hrs accross the nation. The only thing is, when power becomes fairly stable, it would drive industrialisation, and with a large drive in industrialisation, the power demand will increase monumentally and then even 10,000mw wouldn't be enough any more. But with the current state of things (non-industralised Nigeria), even 7000mw would do wonders.

Phonefanatic:
Who's job is it to protect those pipelines? You've even given a reason why we won't have light in the future . Your level of zombiesm exceeds my expectations..... I salute you.
Lie Mohammed must be your mentor

Being unable to make a reasonable argument without resorting to insulting words like zombie speaks volumes of your mental and intellectual capacity.

obicentlis:
How much do you think 1000mw of gas fire Power plant is? Go and make your research and compare them with how is spent on travels by the presidency. The money is not the problem.

A 1000mw gas power plant would cost roughly $1billion; the president's travels would not cost beyond $1 or at most $2million per trip. That's like 0.1% of the cost of a 1gw plant; so please try and make a better argument.

Phonefanatic:
GEJ could have achieved that or something close....... Not with this present govt.

In the past administration I remember having light at least 5 days a week but then people said it was due to high water level
Now I wonder if the dried up river in Ogun is what powers our plants

Nigerians similarly enjoyed power for months under this admin ladt year, my people didn't have to use their gen for 2 straight months between july and septwmber last year and that is a yearly ritual for as long as I can remember because of high water levels in thise months.

The high water levels normally supplement the thermal power stations during the peak of the rains. The only reason we may not enjoy the effect of high water levels this year is because politicians and their boys have taken it personally upon themselves to blow up every goddamn pipe taking gas to thermal power stations; I doubt only the hydro dams can handle the power demand this time.

OjukwuWarBird:
Say the truth for once

Under Jonathan didn't electricity improved.

lol

mrprezident007:
With what we have been through as a country, the power sector alone have consumed more money than any other sector, but little or no result have been achieved. I was even hoping that this new FG administration will be different but so far it seems we are going back to 1830 when we had 0MW throughout Nigeria. I had tthis argument with someone on Palmchat but I would like to know what you NLs have to say. Do you think Nigeria can have steady power supply in the next say 10yrs.

Absolutely, electricity is not rocket science for real. Just 2 months into this administration when gas was supplied to powerstations and when we were at the peak of the rainy season, Nigeria's power generation rose to just a meagre 5000mw but the entire country felt it; the entire country kept celebrating up to 22hrs power supply and it was like a miracle. But that was just a mere 5000mw.

Since then, some legal issues militating against the take off of some power plants, and some other technical issues have been resolved. There are also plans to bring on stream by the end of 2016, up to an additional 1500mw to 2000mw after some extra infrastructural and administrative constraints are settled. If 5000mw could give Nigeria almost steady power in the peak of the rains, I'm sure an addition of up to 1500-2000mw this year to the grid would ensure our generation does not fall below 5000mw even in the driest season.

But unfortunately, it appears someone has noted this great possibility and they have taken it upon themselves personally to ensure it never occurs. Hence the most important gas pipelines taking gas to most of the thermal stations have been targeted and blown up several times in the last few months just to ensure that this incremental power supply never happens.

DIVINE78:
Amaechi is a minister today while Mbu is a goner.

You never can tell... what if Mbu is guven an appointment soon?

PhilemonObende:
We are saying the same thing my 'ibo brother'. As 'sensible ibos' we must always support buhari even he kills 1 trillion Igbos. Don't mind the Ipod bigots instead of them to join us in supporting murderer Buhari the pedophile, they are just throwing tantrum because GEJ lost.

You are sensible my fellow 'yoruba muslim ibo' brother. Infact you the most detribalized 'ibo-born' yoruba muslim.

Bleedy pained ipad...

onepluone:
See gobe on top igbo matter. Nwokem, Ibu onye igbo?

Ebem si ogbasara gi? I am proudly one of the efulefus (as I am fondly called by intolerant bigots) who supported buhari in 2015 and who still supports him till date.

PhilemonObende:
write us your usual essay why we as an Igbos should support buhari the killer of Easterners like you do as a "proud ibo". I'd love to read. you know you are the only sane "ibo" the rest of us are "idiotts" for confronting the murderers (your lord and master) of our people in Asaba and Onitsha. let me call amaechi1 and obaiIala, your fellow 'ibos" to help you.

Obende, tell your silly story to the birds, your hatred for Buhari is purely because he defeated your hero; it has nothing to do with any killings because your bile against him kicked off even before he moved into aso rock. And if it pains you so much that there were over 140,000 Igbos who actually voted for Buhari in the last election and who still support him today, then go seek the help of a psychiatrist; no be we do you.

ayoolanr:
Can someone follow up on this dude's cost analysis? There has to be accountability.

Someone has already clarified that (see quote below). The proposed railway is way longer than 800km which Cramjones used in his estimate. The project goes through Benin-sapele-Warri-Ughelli-Yenagoa-Otuoke-Yenagoa to PH-Aba-Uyo-Calabar; that's a much longer route than the 800km route which was put up there.

Also remember the generic amount quoted by the contractor per km does not include the cost of compensation to land owners which the govt has to pay. I doubt that generic figure per km also takes account of the most difficult swampy terrain of the Niger-Delta route. Even the proposed rail route from Lagos to Kano which is much longer actually cost much less than this Lagos-Calabar cos of the difference in terrain.

AnonyNymous:
I'm sorry but you're wrong.
First of all, you didnt even take into account the type of terrain we have in Nigeria.
Secondly, that thing you took a screenshot of from google maps is NOT the path of the rail way. Gogle maps just takes the shortest existing route. Its being designed to go through all the major cities and is not just going to be "748km" but 1,402km.
I understand that it is good to be critical of a government but ask questions about things you dont know about, rather than making assumptions like that.
Even if you dont support the party of the president, you should be able to commend good works.
As far as I'm concerned, this was a very good deal.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3913884_rail_jpegd3223d74035a01c6eba7ac8add1e9461

iamDiabolic:
ole,see ya mouth u to like money nd food.I wan invite u come ijaw party u go come

Ijaw party dey usually get freshly brewed kai-kai.. so why not

Lol... If i'm the celebrant, I prefer Igbo party; but if i'm just a guest, Yoruba party all the way

Aba diegwu

Lol... Onye oshi, onye ara

I like the calmness of both parties till the end.

Too many children and adults with child brains on Nairaland these days. Even if Aisha wants to go to the US, she will go on a diplomatic passport and as such, even if she's the biggest fraudster in the world, she cannot be touched.

gocac:
dangote please be informed you will import crude that you will refine oh.... because niger delta oil can not be refined in lagos... shey lagos is now an oil producing state? ok.... no pipeline from niger delta willl deliver crude to that refinery. the marginalization can no longer exist.

Poor mentality... this is like a cocoa farmer saying he will not sell his cocoa to a customer because the customer is building a chocolate factory in a far away land.

I know you and your ilk are already warming up to go blow pipelines because that is the limit of your intelligence, but use your head for once, dangote gets to pay the prevailing global oil price for every single drop of crude his refinery refines, he is not getting the crude for free.

allansie:
So u telling me a graduate of chemical engineering still needs 2 study refinery operations again b4 dey can operate anytin...dis is jus one of d reasons 9ja education is in shambles...May God help

Graduates all over the world need to still be trained to be able to operate such plants. Nigerian graduates are not as half baked as we always paint ourselves to be, we are comparable to graduates from all over the world and we even do better .n most instances of comparisonm

elopee3000:
ur funny is not from the same ND the crude will come from ? Or is dangote going to refine lagoon water ,my friend if there is no peace in ND this refinary is as waste as national stadium lagos so dont mock ND people yet we pray for peace but stop insulting ND people

Just before anyone starts planning how they will bomb pipelines and prevent raw materials ftom getting to this refinery, such an agrieved person should know that this is a private refinery and it will pay the prevailing global oil price for every single drop of crude oil it buys to refine.

If the belligerent states of the ND refuses to sell their oil (or choses to bomb pipelines), crude could be bought from peaceful states (e.g. Qua Iboe) or even internationally, and ferried in barges. This may be a very inconvenient and expensive option which would end up scuttling the potentially large reduction in fuel prices, but I sincerely hope dangote and co have thought about this in their business risk assessments.

irondome:
Must everything be about GEJ and PMB.

And for the records, the mess in the banking sector started with Soludo era, pre-2010 and Jonathan regime. Sanusi inherited an already sick banking sector when he became the CBN governor in 2009.

The mess in the banking sector predated Soludo's era. Soludo stepped in an did a lot of restructuring and clean up, Sanusi also stepped in and did his part of the cleanup but up till date, the mess is even still monumental.

amakenny:
Okorocha wants to be president, joins APC, so believes if in Owerri he builds flyovers, tunnels high rise buildings, Freedom squares upon Bongo squares, tangential roads where no body even uses, rebuilds mission schools in Owerri, etc. etc, etc, Nigerians shall notice him. So he reduced Imo state to become Owerri. The rest of the state entered decadence, de-populated.

In the 12 years of Udenwa and Ohakim, can you honestly beat your chest and say those 2 men built up to half of the number of rural roads that Rochas has built in 5 years?..

Bros abeg tell us something else; Rochas might be a hated politician because of party affiliation, but it is meaningless to claim that he has only built roads in Owerri.

Painting his predicament into a religious issue in order to fan the embers of a further religious divide... A very wonderful strategy by Prof FFK, it's no longer tribal sentiments, we now have to also deal with religious conspiracies too.

This same religious divide strategy was the exactly strategy which FFK introduced into the 2015 election when he was made the GEJ campaign chairman. A pathetically diabolic divide strategy which couldn't work for him in the election is the same strategy the man wants to use with EFCC... and of course it makes one to wonder whether people like Dasuki and co are also southern Christians being persecuted by northern antichrists according to FFK's logic.

Leopard2A7:
omenka, fiizznation, fulanimafia, Quotasystem, Modath, Obailala, Passingshot, Gbawe, ngeneUkwenu, Sweetlemon, you guys are needed here.

Oga Leopard2A7, if I may ask, why exactly are you tagging me and why exactly do you need my attention?...

Do I by any means look like or sound like or think like the pathetic depraved minds who run about the streets and internet forums, glorifying, defending and fraternising with every single fraudster who is exposed or is being prosecuted because of my political/ethnic/religious/tribal links?

Do I look or sound like one of the pathetic simpletons who jump about crying witch-hunt or marginalisation whenever a fraudster is exposed?

I'm sorry boy, if that is what you expect of me, you are certainly poking the wrong person; that is what makes me different from you. Thanks!

mrZENographer:
Then he is supposed to focus on that, instead of making them comfortable with their evil. Which homosexual will read those carnal words from the mouth of a highly revered man and not be enticed instead of soberness? Absolutely none. Rather it calls for more homosexual celebration and emboldened them to step out for more perverseness.

This pope is the prophesies false prophet. The sooner u know it, the probability u deliver yourself from the coming "strong delusion."

Sprintson:
Let's call a spade a spade...the pontiff is just fooling the world and I pray for those deceived...
All Illuminati

Everybody na illuminati, everybody na fake prophet, everybody na antichrist, but you lads are saints right?.... Be wary of judging everyone else but yourselves.

mrZENographer:
Yes gays are hated 100 times because homosexuality is the height of wickedness. Sex is supposed to be btw a man and woman. But these people are corrupting the very reason for our existence. If fornication/adultery is a whooping 48%, homosexuality doubles.

Fire makes water to boil. But fire has grades. This is taking corruption and wickedness to a whole new level. And will your justification for it be a recount present corruption.

I ask you if dollar exchange rate is now an uncomfortable 288 naira to a dollar. Are u supposed to assist the dollar to 500 naira. When it hurts u and the economy, except ur a corrupt official/ earning in dollars. Then its ur own greediness and selfpleasure.

So in essence, you are saying some sins are stronger than others?... This is a statement I definitely agree with, however I also agree with the pope that just the same way we as men have no biblical rights to judge, condemn and stone adulterers to death, we also have no rights biblically to mete out those treatments to gays; we can only just tell them to repent just like every other sinner.