₦airaland Forum

Okutanla1:
It goes beyond that with Peter Obi. He once argued that you can't use infrastructure to improve the economy. Like seriously??

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pulse.ng/news/local/peter-obi-to-buhari-you-cant-use-infrastructure-to-improve-the-economy/njcr2hz.amp

That's enough to convince me that he doesn't know what he's talking, and would prefer austerity to spending to stimulate the economy when necessary. Perhaps he's just saying these things to score cheap political points, else he's only exposing his hypocrisy. Afterall, he was part of GEJ's administration that borrowed over a billion dollars to pay salaries (a kind of consumption). That economy was being managed by the world-renowned Okonjo Iweala. And I assume that she made that judgement call of financing 'consumption'/salary payment via debt due to the exigency of the situation. So Obi is telling us that he would rather have those workers that Iweala borrowed to pay their hard-earned salaries starve just to prove a point?? He's obviously talking out of his arse.

First of all, Obi was never a part of Jonathan's government, he largely wasn't even in the PDP then.

Secondly, let's even assume he was a part of GEJ's government, Obi has been extremely vocal about his disapproval of borrowing for salaries or for consumption. He's always been a very very vocal advocate of borrowing to fund investment opportunities which are proven to create wealth both in the short run (i.e. supporting SMEs) and long run (massive education of the populace). Building infrastructure (e.g. road and rails) is very good, but prioritising key infrastructure such as power generation and distribution would translate to a far greater positive economic impact is more important (that has always been Obi's philosophy).

And then whilst it's important to pay salaries, borrowing huge sums of money to pay salaries is and has always been the most useless form of borrowing. Obi has always echoed the fact that money to pay salaries can be generated internally without having to borrow; principally through cutting the clearly obscene cost of governance in Nigeria. He did this very successfully whilst he was governor in Anambra and was hated severely by politicians for this (he was impeached twice for insisting on cost cutting measures). Infact my fear about an Obi presidency is that his mandate would be severely frustrated by the NASS and the general political class in Nigeria; he could even be assassinated within the first year.

If you believe borrowing billions to pay salaries of a tiny population of Nigerians (i.e. civil servants and government workers) is more important than borrowing to invest in SME's and a most important infrastructure like power (which can impact a larger population of Nigerians), kindly point out to us how that borrowing for consumption by GEJ and secretely by PMB has impacted Nigeria?

As for me and my house, if the PDP can field Obi and the APC Osinbajo, then I'll gladly go to my beach house, light up my cigar and relax cos I know Nigeria will eventually fall into good hands either way.

ikemesit4477:
if she is wise! she shouldn't wait for natural conception, ivf asap! Time is ruining out!

She's already heavy.

Okutanla1:
Please add those that don't want to starve to death under this presidency. He's already threatening Nigerians with starvation and austerity before he's even elected as president.

So in essence, you're saying it's okay for us to be borrowing to eat?

tutudesz:
NATO made that agreement and they have the right to change the agreement. Freedom of Association is a right of every individual and country

NATO has the right to breach a long standing peace agreement with Russia but Russia doesnt have a right to react to that?

Too many people thinking upside down today; explains why thousands of lives are being lost and properties destroyed in Ukraine today. One side of the coin believes it has the monopoly of thinking upside down; now the other side has joined in the madness and Ukraine is the result

Freebills12:
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Why would you support someone who abates evil? I will never stop Atiku. Why would I? Osibanjo is part and parcel of Buhari's regime... Number two and you think he will perform wonders?

Please vote for who you please.

Rollsnjaguar:
Forget ESN/UGM, have Nigeria solved Bokoharam, ISWAP, Bandits, Fulani Herdsmen.

ESN is a minor problem compared to the above.

But you choose to ignore the main problem and keep shouting ESN/UGM

There is currently ongoing Burial of over 100s of people Massacred in Plateau, next week another set will be Buried and it keeps ongoing but you are masturbating about ESN UGM.

Is there any Massacre ever carried out by ESN?

Oga I ask again, are we in a competition to see who will kill their people the most?

If northerners are killing themselves, how exactly is the solution now for you to start killing Igbos in Igbo land and burning down collective structures? What is the wisdom in that?

Why exactly do you keep just repeating the same nonsense?... Northerners are killing northerners so therefore you should be left alone to kill Igbos and destroy Igbo properties in Igboland? Are you sure you're really okay mentally?

Rollsnjaguar:
Have you ask yourself what is Nigeria doing to solve all these major problem of Fulani Massacre and tribal discrimination?

So because Nigeria is having a fulani massacre problem, your solution to the problem is to add a problem of violence in Igboland?

Can someone please just make it make sense?

How is addition of ESN/UGM violence against innocent people in the SE, a solution to the fulani massacre problem across Nigeria?

Sometimes I'm tempted to believe the notion that these people who make these posts here supporting the ESN/UGM violence in the east can never be Igbos. Cos how can a person who isnt a madman, set fire to his father's house simply because he's angry with his neighbour from a far awaay state?

Rollsnjaguar:
So we should fold our hands and allow Fulanis to over run us in our homeland just as they are doing in Plateau State with mass burial daily.

Have you ever seen an Igbo man become Chief of Army Staff in the so called One Nigeria?

Have you ever seen Igbo man become Naval Chief in One Nigeria?

Have you seen Igbo man head of Custom in One Nigeria?

Just name any Key military position occupied by an Igbo man and you keep deceiving yourself of One Nigeria.

You mentioned 2 key problems; fulani militia massacres and discrimination of Igbos from key positions. The OP did not dispute the existence of the issues mentioned. But ask yourself this very critical question: - how exactly is the mayhem being unleashed across the south east today solving any of those 2 problems you mentioned?

I'm totally lost here; what did AriseTV do wrong?

Nairalandhotboy:
using your 2 accounts to quote me won't make anything xup.. I have neva voted for PDP or APC. But your reactions actually show who u are. Lol.

2 accounts? ..lol.. smh

Another clown trying to throw religious sentiments into politics...

Omo...

Nairalandhotboy:
Mr man just shut up. APC deceived Nigerians with lots of promises. They made foolish Nigerians like you think governance is like boiling egg.. Even buhari can't come out and say this is 1 thing he did that changed 10% lives of Nigerians.

My guy, grab your PVC and vote your darling PDP in peace; leave the insults...

Mooh247:


Propaganda debt defualt

Someone owes you money... You freeze his bank account , he offers you alternative of paying cash through his currency you said NO, he offers to pay using another banking platform from China you still said NO

They don't need their money if they do, they won't hesitate to receive their payment and drop propaganda sanctions

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By fire by force 'default'

Foolishbuhari:
I will never agree with you that the VP position is as useless as the P in psychology. If it was useless, why didn't he resign? Why did the yorubas do all they did to make sure buhari emerged president?

When there were rumours of buhari dumping Osibanjo prior to the 2019 elections, didn’t the SW bloc wade in? The yorubas even wanted a yoruba running mate for Atiku then, remember? They won't have done that for a useless position.

You have a choice to candidate but I'll always say it as it is. Osibanjo is a morally bankrupt man and he's one and same with buhari!

Okay pleasse vote for your morally upright candidate in peace!

Freebills12:
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GEJ is incompetent, I wonder what you will say about not only a professor law but also a senior pastor that abated scandalous acts, extra judicial killings, infringe on people's fundamental rights, embezzlement of people fund, killing of innocent people running in tens of thousands, a sect of people taking people's home ,inhibiting on them and renaming them etc. I don't want to go further bc he is a pastor. He keeps quiet while all these happens. How are you going to convince non Christian in Nigeria to become a Christian in a country where Osibanjo is part of the govt. If GEJ is incompetent, I wonder what you will call Osibanjo?

Bullshit bullshit bullshit! Are you not also a part and parcel of NIgeria? Did you go out to the street to protest the scandalous acts? If you didnt, then you're also culpable of aiding and abetting those crimes.

Osinbajo is a Nigerian just like you; he didint have the constitutional powers to stop any of thoise atrocities. Only thing he could have done was to openly rebel in public against his boss, which in every sensible opinion would have been a foolish thing to do. Obviously you dont even care about the welfare of Nigeria, you just wanted an opportunity to see him being punished for daring to openly rebel so you can rejoice at the downfall of one of your 'enemies'. Sorry the man isn't foolish!

MEanwhile we're in an election year so the best we can do is compare between whatever candidates we have presented before us. The RENO who speaks in this thread supports Atiku. How exactly is Atiku differnent from Osinbajo? Did Atiku not aid and abet the genocide in Odi, Odioma, Zaki-Biam etc under the command of OBJ? Did Atiku not aid and abet and even participate in the squander of Nigeria's resources. Now this is the Atiku you lots were rooting (and possibly still rooting) for and you want us to take your criticism of Osinbajo seriously? Park well my friend!

jrusky:
Pls stop answering them. Too man half brain human here on NL, very foolish and lunatics mofos.

All the people against Osibanjo are same chest beaters from.my region SE. If Osibanjo rebel against Buhari same generically confused mofos will be the first to say "Na so Yoruba are, they are backstabbers" so pls ignore them but that presidency seat my region won't get it let them keep the hate and tribalism madness on and let's see how far it will take them.

It's funny because the people who claim PYO's crime is not rebelling against his boss, would be the first to hit the streets in jubilation if he rebels and is knocked into a political casket. They lament his lack of rebellion, not because they love NIgeria, but rather because they simply want to see him punished so they can rejoice at the downfall of one of their enemies.

Foolishbuhari:
These are your errors in judgment. Osibanjo isn't a "mere employee". OK do you want more examples?

1. Osibanjo is constitutionally the head of the economy by his virtue of being VP. Did you know that? How has the economy fared under him as head of the economic team? Before you come out to say otherwise, even buhari confirmed it that Osibanjo is the head of his economic team.

2. Osibanjo was accused of embezzlement of NEMA funds. We've not heard anything else about that.

Then now that you're taking swipes at Atiku, he at least talked abi? Despite it being for personal ambition,as you inferred. But Osibanjo has kept quiet all this while abi? What does that tell you? He loves buhari and ALL his disastrous policies, nothing you'll tell me!

He even came out to say that he wants to build on buhari's legacies. What legacies? Sorrow, tears and blood? Y'all are trying to extricate him from buhari's mess but he keeps jumping back in LMAO!!

See I like Osibanjo o. He's a fine gentleman, at least to me. I am not blind to what he did with power for few weeks as acting president and for once, we saw a sense of direction in governance. But let's face the truth, buhari's incompetence is Osibanjo's greatest bargage and his failure to even position his body language in a pro-people way during buhari's despotic regime is going to be the final death knelt to whatever he can or hopes to achieve!

We don't need a morally bankrupt president anymore in Nigeria! Anyone who can come out to eulogize buhari at this time is one and same with buhari and that's the judgement they'd get!!

Of all the OBJ atrocities to talk about, Atiku only talked about the 3rd term ambition, and not about anything else which affected the lives and wellbeing of Nigerians; and this is the fellow youu want me to hold in higher regard?

As for the constitutional roles of a VP in Nigeria, you're obviously reading so many outdated textbooks. Besides deputising for the president in his absence (that's if the cabal even permits), the office of the VP is as useless as the 'P' in the word 'Psychology'. So I would never judge the administrative performance of a man based on his occupancy of an office which merely renders him a clerical appendage.

You talk about NEMA funds, can you provide the so called details? Just read about it now that he 'illegally approved N6bn' for NEMA. Is there any evidence to prove this money was embezzled besides baseless political gossip and mudslinging by fellows like Reno? You actually believe Prof Osinbajo stole N6billion from NEMA and the case wasn't blown up more than the baseless blog junk which fizzled out in days?

Yes everyone has a baggage if you choose to give them one. It's okay if you choose to hate him based on these politically imposed baggages. But as for me, I choose not to count meaningless political baggages when assessing the suitability of a candidate over others.

Haaaa!

Where have they been hiding this version of the video since? Seems like the person who shot the video knew exactly what was about to happen and covered the event suspiciouly too well.

Meanwhile the slap no land well sef!

Foolishbuhari:
Personally I don't care about Atiku or anyone campaigning for him. His time has past but in all fairness to the man, he didn’t sit aloof while Obasanjo did certain things he did, especially 3rd term bid.

Osibanjo sat out and watched the biggest crime committed against the judiciary and said nothing! Buhari ordered the slaughter of unarmed protesters around the country, Zaria, SE, Lekki and numerous others who have simply been "disappeared" because they criticized his government, Osibanjo sat and said nothing.

Now upon declaring, he called buhari a patriot. A coup plotter? A man who overthrew a democratically elected government of Nigeria? A man who's ordered the brutal killing and crackdown of people with diverse views a patriot? Osibanjo insulted Nigerians and himself!

A supposed pastor and SAN? Where's his morality? Now y'all trying to extricate him from buhari's mess and failure? Osibanjo and buhari are one!

So your anger against Osinbajo is his inability to rebel and drag his boss by the balls whilst still remaining a mere employee of his boss? To what end would that have been? Him being sacked and replaced with a 'Yesman'? ...and how exactly would that have helped you or any Nigerian?

Meanwhile you just excused Atiku because he opposed OBJ's 3rd term; was that in the genuine interest of Nigerians or was it for his personal interest? What did Atiku do or say when Obasanjo was unconstitutionally using the NASS as his filthy handkerchief, changing senate presidents and speakers, bribing lawmakers everyday and even tear-gasing his opposition (which led to Okadigbo's death) etc.?

When OBJ sent troops to extrajudicially slaughter men women and children in Odi (Bayelsa), Odioma (Bayelsa) and Zaki-Biam (Benue), was Atiku not the VP? What did Atiku do then? He only stood up to OBJ when OBJ's ambition was going to hinders his own personal ambition and this is the sort of person you cite as an excusable example to castigate Prof. Osinbajo?

Freebills12:
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Don't go there plz, in as much as you hate GEJ, he single handedly went to South South and milititancy. There were no blood shading. I will always give kudos for that.

Oh I didnt realise that could be counted as an achievement. In that case, didn't Osinbajo achieve same with the NDA in 2016 when the Avengers reduced Nigeria's output to less than 1m barrels? Osinbajo organised several town hall meetings in the Delta and brokered a peace and cease fire.

By the way, I dont hate GEJ, I just felt he was too incompetent a leader to rule NIgeria, and needed to go for another to try their luck; Nothing personal!

$1 billion from the economy being wiped off the economy of the south east weekly and some idiots who are meant to be Igbo hail this as a sensible idea to punish other Nigerians? Seriously, who has bewitched my people?

Foolishbuhari:
What did he do? Na simple question. Stop the dirty we vs them mentality here. We have better candidates from the south and a hypocrisy laden, sneaky Osibanjo is not our best!

Let him go enjoy his looted NEMA funds!

RENO wants us to vote Atiku; but instead of telling us what Atiku achieved as VP for 8 years (besides converting government establishments to his private property), RENO is foolishly asking us to name what Osinbajo achieved and you see nothing wrong in that? Lol

Emeraldkeko:
Please remind me of Apc campaign strategy in 2015 when dey couldn't get Goodlucks off their mouth and you guys bought it.

In 2015 and 2019, while APC was busy blabbing about their 1001 promises, the hallmark of PDP's strategy was to just talk about Buhari from dawn till dusk; from campaign podiums to AIT documentaries.

Similarly in 2019, even after the failure of the strategy in 2015, the PDP rather than spend their time and resources selling the achievements of Atiku to Nigerians, they instead chose to spend the entire campaign period searching for Buhari's certificate. For how long will your PDP strategists keep doing the same 'pull him down' strategy and expect a different result? 'Pull him down' that couldn't work for a tainted Buhari is what you people think will work for a fairly unblemished Osinbajo?

Only difference I see from those picture is just a young healthy looking teen growing into a young healthy man. Nothing in those pictures depicts money or fame; the young must grow!

Just a little declaration but see all of them peeing on themselves already...

Next phase will be to start digging up and concocting all manner of stupid propaganda and creating Osinbajo documentaries... Who GOd has blessed no man can curse! Losers everywhere!

Emeraldkeko:
He isn't in anyway stopping you from starting the Atiku challenge too if you are so sure he didn't do nothing put a price same way Reno just did simple.

I just mentioned to you that it's a silly strategy to abandon your candidate to spend the entire campaign season talking of your opponent. Yet you want me to indulge in what I see as silly?

Nairalandhotboy:
oga he said no argument no negotiations. Just show him 1 all this u dey blab now na another story

Charity begins at home so I simply asked what the achievements of Atiku and even GEJ or Namadi were as VPs. Hopefully this question wouldn't make you lads pee on your pants.

Any one with the slightest understanding of the workings of the Nigerian presidential system knows a VP doesnt really have any executive decision making powers or authority. RENO of course knows this (reason he cant talk of Atiku or GEJ), but then again, RENO also knows the IQ level of his followers, so instead of tidying his own house, all he needs do is mention the name 'Tinubu' or now 'Osinbajo', and boom, all his followers get an erection from dawn till dusk.

Coming from an online charlatan who's openly supporting Atiku Abubakar's presidential ambition, can someone please ask RENO why he can't start with a challenge to mention the achievements of ATIKU as VP for 8 years (besides fraudulently acquiring public properties and becoming one of the richest men in Nigeria)?... Would even be pointless to ask what the achievements of GEJ were as VP.

RENO can't talk about or sell his own candidate but is rather obsessed with chasing Tinubu and now Osinbajo around... If he wasn't a mumu, he would have since realised that the 'pull him down' strategy has never worked in the Nigerian sphere.

SledgeHammerer:
Na that BUILDING ON BUHARI'S LEGACY I don't want to be hearing from any of the aspirants. Which legacy is that?

Lol... What do you expect people who need Buhari's support/blessings to say? That they will dismember and dismantle Buhari's legacy? Besides, there's nothing wrong with Buhari's legacy, neither was anything wrong with Jonathan or Yaradua or OBJ's agenda. The problem has always been the lack of political will and wisdom to implement.

SledgeHammerer:
Continue with your new found job

Huh?

Continue with yours too!

SledgeHammerer:
Una too dey deceive una sef for dis country.

President for naija na emperor. President no dey get godfather! If you think otherwise, then you dey deceive yourself