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The most disturbing part of this Deborah saga is the fact that the majority of northern Nigerian Muslims, both educated and uneducated, totally support the murder of the girl. How exactly do we live with such barbaric humans?

Even fully Islamic Arab countries in the middle east dont have this sort of murderous mentality; how did we get here?

ufotunang:
.... that is why the country should be restructured ..by restructuring of the country...the states will have control of their own resources, mineral resources and generate more money from it for themselves and they will have enough money to build their own refineries...the small allocation the federal government gives the state it's not enough or adequate for state to build refinery..with the allocation they have to do other things and nothing will remain to build refinery

Dont let those useless thieving state governors deceive you with their scam excuses; the states currently have sufficient autonomy to build their own refineries if they truly want to. Any person who tells you otherwise is a bloody liar.

Regarding the idea of states having more money following restructuring, that's another tall tale scam from the pit of hell which the dubious governors deceive you with. Currently, about 30 or more states of the federation receive more money from Abuja than they generate themselves; if there's restructuring today, over 30 states will get poorer (the tide MAY change after a decade if the governors choose to wake up).

So if the governors cant get their acts together today to build refineries now that they get more money, how will they build it when they get less? The money will appear automatically?

1stGenAmerican:
And you’re okay with the idea of his wealth growing with the help of public funds?

How exactly is his wealth growing with the help of public funds and how should his growing wealth even be anyone's problem?

Government after government has always had incentives for people involved in production of certain vital commodities that impact the economy. If Nigeria can stop importing petroleum products, the impact on Nigerians economy will be astronomical. So it's a no brainer that any government would fully support any establishment that genuinely contributes to the achievement of that target (i.e. zero petroleum importation), just the same way the givernment supports farmers who contribute whatever they can to food sufficiency.

The real question is, is it Dangote's fault that successive governments have failed to fix our refineries or build new ones? Is it Dangote's fault that he's the main businessman who bravely took the bold step to fill in for governments? Hating him for getting rich off the failures of government is just witchcraft.

ufotunang:
That is why restructuring is the answer to this country...if each states build their own refinery it will be cheaper and easier to build because you are building a smaller refinery that will serve that particular state.with a few population....but when you are building a refinery for a whole country like nigeria with a population of more than 200 million nigerians ..it will cost a lot of money take a lot of time to build because you have to build a very large gigantic refinery to serve the whole country nigeria... that is why dangote refinery is taking more longer to build ... now it's up to 10 years this refinery this refinery was started to build till now it's still not yet completed

What is stopping the states from building the refineries now? That thing stopping the states from building refineries today will still stop the states from building refineries even if Nigeria splits to 36 countries.

SweetVibe:
Yar'Adua had a reason he revoke the sale of one of our refinary to Dangote returned it back to the government.
He knew something we don't know

He knew nothing! That was a very poor and nonsensical decision which has left the refineries as moribund carcasses and filthy liabilities.

Reno claims he supports Atiku but has never spoken of or tried to sell Atiku since this season began. Rather it's been Tinubu, Tinubu, Tinubu, Tinubu, Tinubu, Tinubu, Tinubu!!! And as soon as Osinbajo declared, it's been Osinbajo, Osinbajo, Osinbanjo, Osinbanjo, Osinbanjo, Osinbanjo, Osinbanjo, Osinbanjo!!!

Nigeria isnt ready for people like this yet.

Funny how Reno with these tweets, succinctly described his own political strategy (i.e. pulling down the opponent and dissidents and not bothering to sell his own candidate), and then proceeds to call out people who employ his strategy.

Reno claims Atiku is his preferred candidate, but for one day I haven't seen him selling Atiku.; rather if you visit his page, he keeps drooling over Tinubu and Osinbajo.

OgunkeelAllMod:
No!some are like dat! extremely envious and jealous !don't pity them o..you never jam people,one compound I once lived like that..I came there will AC omo come see wahala,I noticed I was the ONLY person with air-condition installed and most of them started beefing me.they started with unjust NEPA bill sharing,and I kept paying to their chagrin ..when the beef too much .the landlady ( wey want me to befriend one of her olosho daughter and I no gree ) finally issued quit notice,I no even talk the idiot old hag thought I don't have money to relocate..when she saw the truck that I ordered to pack my load ,she choke! As Good liveth,I moved to a much better neighborhood..most nigerians are WICKED , gbagbe, there's nothing neighbourly or friendly about a lot of them I'm telling you mostly frienemy envious jerk!

Lol.. most people are wicked and envious, but you'd agree with me that it's not enough evidence to conclude that a neighbour hates or despises you simply because he didnt say congratulations of bus you bought.

DarlingtonC:
Hmm...but at least he should been happy for me

Did he tell you he wasnt happy for you? You kind of sound like a woman, are you a woman?

haslaw:
Take it easy. We no dey fight. I am also not the kind of person who jumps upandan at every good news I hear. Besides, the nicest guy I'm at my work place is a quiet person.

The OP is probably hurt about the lack of congratulations. Even if you were not rolling on the floor, a simple word of congratulations would have saved a lot of troubles.

Ahh, we no dey fight oo! I was referring to the Op who feels a kind of resentment simply because his neighbour didnt say congratulations (sounds typically like what an insecure woman would do). I kind of place myself in the shoes of the so called 'neigbour'. I'm not the kind of person that would go around telling people congratulations on everything; but that doesnt automatically mean I am jealous or that I wish them bad (heck! why do black people always reason like this?). I even forget simple things like birthdays very easily so I just find it out of place when people jump into conclusions and make assumptions prematurely.

haslaw:
DarlingtonC

Though, it can be hard but try not to repay evil with evil.
Secondly, it could be that on that same day, he was probably not himself or something else was troubling him. Another thing is that some people are not the jumping type. Some people who showed you happiness are probably not happy about your bus.

Finally, the solution to this situation is to make sure you are the one that will drive the bus to wherever he is taking his properties to. This will help you to keep an eye on your bus so as to avoid stories that touch.

You could also tell him to provide fuel money if the distance is far

What exactly is the evil the neighbour even committed?.... Not rolling on the floor and clapping for the Op with congratulatory messages because he bought a danfo bus?... Nigerians and their paranoia! 'My enemies, my enemies syndrome!'

DarlingtonC:
Hmm...but at least he should been happy for me

Did he say he wasn't happy for you? So because he didnt start clapping and rolling on the floor with congratulatory messages, you automatically assume he's angry?

Black people and their paranoia everywhere! Always thinking everyone is against and wishing them bad.

See the crazy extent the girl is going to drag Oga Sule! To the extent of releasing her own nudes? Omo this one na desperate ashewo!

THis life sef! .... T*t* matter has destroyed too many men; God help us!

CBN governor, a card carrying member of a political party!

Nigeria is truly a theatre of the absurd!

Jimasun:
Plaindealer aka Eko Ile is one of the cocaine pushers of Tinubu. His head is up there in Tinubu's azz. Smell the shit coming out of his head and pity his life

Lol. . Abeg make una take am easy with all these insults

plaindealer:
See the flood of the usual suspects rushing inside the thread to wail and lament over their Tnubu frustration because they misread the thread and its intention.

The comedians thought this is a Tinubu promotion thread instead..

I'm actually happy and at the same time amused that Osinbajo to the same characters yesterday was just a mare and useless commissioner, but today, they are his bulldog defender just because of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. To God be the glory..





[s]Tinubu or Osinbajo is a win-win for the SW, the joke is always on you lost and politically irrelevant ipobs.
Comedians.[/s].

Oga you're actually the comedian here trying to mask your frustration (courtesy of Osi's candidacy) under the guise of objectivity/maturity. You say it isnt a Tinubu promotion thread and obviously it isnt. Rather it's a Tinubu promoters' wailing thread where you've gathered to indirectly lament over Osinbajo's decision to contest.

Meanwhile oga in his frustration has labelled me 'ipob' Oga has navigated it to the usual direction which small minds always resort to when they lack capacity to make proper arguments (i.e. tribalism). Apparently, anyone who prefers an Osinbajo candidacy over Tinubu in 2023 and anyone who questions why Tinubu urchins wouldnt just let Osinbajo be, is now 'ipob' to the court jesters.

plaindealer:
When you are in over your head when your conscience is killing you, when you feel out of place around your own people, when you know you fvuecked up and people no longer respect or trust you, you have no choice but to carry the burden on your face.

I don't know who the VP's advisers are, but they are not good advisers.

You really don't have to do certain things just because you can, a good name and credibility go a long way, but this man lost all that credibility all because of power and petty politics, he lost that shine.

Osinbajo lost credibility because he chose to exercise his right like everyone else?

Someone like BAT who appears to possibly have health challenges, what credibility does he bring to the table with his own candidacy?

plaindealer:
Hence the reason why the VP looked lost, uncomfortable, and out of place. That was not his crowd, shitting where you eat is never a good thing.

Even Aregbe retraced his steps, Aregbe did not even take the bait when the VP made the unfortunate and thoughtless comment about the info on his nomination as the VP coming from Aregbe.

It's one thing to contest against Tinubu, it's another thing to throw jabs at him, it was not even a small jab, it was a big jab basically disassociating himself from Tinubu and that Tinubu is and was irrelevant before and during the nomination process.

Pains me to see the man rubbish and relegate himself down to a puerile and political amateur level.

Look at the whole APC political structure at the federal and state level including state governors, they are obviously distancing themselves from the VP. To them, if you are so bold to do this to your own political benefactor and your own Yoruba brother, you can never be trusted.

Northerners are very loyal people, they know how to repay loyalty and goodwill and there's a reason why they are shouting "It's time to pay back".

Apart from ipobs who are never going to vote for him regardless of their silly noise on social media and fanboys on Twitter, serious political actors across the country are avoiding him politically.

Lol... Of course he's a Tinubu fan; cos I was wondering why anyone would just create a thread 'feeling sorry' for Osinbajo as if the man complained to anyone. Obviously it's fake sympathy from a frenemy.

Oplomo:
Mr Oba...whatever, I don't my ego massaged, it doesn't swell my bank account. However, I stopped reading at the bolded. Your lame attempt at appearing dispassionate and objective, failed the test of prejudice right there.

This very forum is littered with invectives of mockery against the East from your yoruba comrades telling us '...we yorubas have produced OBJ as president, Igbos will never be president' . It is you are either totally blind or wallowing in the usual yoruba self-deceit, thinking you are smarter than everyone else.

I pretended I didn't know your antecedent on this forum in replying you, but you still failed the test of objectivity. Move, let hear from sincere folks.

I don't give a damn who you think I am or where you think I'm from; that's absolutely inconsequential and irrelevant to the discussion That notwithstanding, I'm a harcore Igbo man from the eastern heartland. If my opinions, ideologies and philosophies doesnt sit well with you or doesn't align with the general Igbo political ideology and approach (which i totally and openly do not agree with most times), then feel free to tag me a Yoruba man, an efulefu or whatever derogatory term that makes you feel better.

As for what you said above, I'm an ardent reader in this forum and have seen several comments about '...Igbos will never be president'... But I've never seen a "We Yorubas have produced OBJ, but you Igbos will never be president" statement. But then again, who gives a damn what tribal idiots even blab about online when there are more important things to think about?... I made a clear point which you ignored and started focusing on the mundane - that Igbos collectively have failed to play proper politics in Nigeria. That explains why the Igbo man (even a fine candidate such as Mr Obi) is sadly by default, politically disadvantaged in the Nigerian political stage.

Of course small minds would simply dismiss this with the emotional concept of "...they hate us, that's why they don't support us...", and other small minds would simply say "...you are Yoruba..." for daring to say such. But yet again, that doesnt change the fact in what I said about failing to play right politics; emotions don't work in politics.

Oplomo:
How popular was PDP in your yorubaland before you GIFTED the presidency in 1999 and 2003?

'Ibos can't play politics' but the Ibos getting elected by Europeans and American are from Jupiter? Is OBJ's presidency not both a personal achievement both for him and for the yorubas. Do you yoruba not brag with OBJ presidency and use it to mock Ibos?

How come yoruba were gifted presidency for not aligning with a party but Igbos should be scolded, maligned and scorned for doing same? Make us understand your nigerian politics.

First of all, I dont remember mentioning anywhere that I'm Yoruba. So maybe you need to calm down and correct your "if he doesnt say something to massage my ego, he must be Yoruba" mentality.

And then talking of 1999, that was a peculiar case when the military simply handed over power almost unilaterally to OBJ as a compensation for the MKO saga. Besides, OBJ whilst being a Yoruba man wasnt even the consensus Yoruba candidate (Falae was). Meanwhile, I dont think I've ever come across anywhere any Yoruba person used an OBJ presidency to mock Igbos; perhaps you can point out any examples of that?

And then you keep saying Igbos are elected in foreign countries; how can you keep being so naive to compare foreign politics to Nigerian politics? I also mentioned above that the focus is on collective politics, not individual achievement

Oplomo:
Tell us one political decision that Igbo should have made in the past since after the war that failed to make.

Tell us who they should have voted in the past that they didn't.
We need specifics now from you sermonists on Igbo politics not the time-worn semantics of 'Igbos can't play politics' rubbish.
The same Igbos are getting elected as Senators in Europe, mayors in US, Canada etc. Give us specifics.

Individuals getting elected in US and Canada means nothing, I wasnt referring to individual achievements, and this is one area the Igbos also fail; i.e. giving too much attention to individual achievements rather than collective.

You asked for examples of bad politcal decisions, the Op already gave some examples, one of which is casting all resources and loyalty to PDP unconditionally; the unconditionality of that loyalty is where the mistake lies - a good politician always gives conditions before supporting anything. The Igbos are a major tribe and very possibly the most populous in Nigeria, but we keep acting like a minority tribe. When APC was formed and it was clear they were going to become a power house, Igbos should have infiltrated the party (instead of leaving all eggs in one PDP basket).

Igbos not infiltrating APC is what made Apc a Yoruba-Hausa-Fulani party. You might ask, "didn't some Igbos join APC?", but that's not enough; we talking collectively and not individuals. Even the individuals who joined APC were literally banished and collectively tagged names like 'Okoro-Awusa' just for daring to play politics the Nigerian way.

Another example of poor politics is what's been happening since 2015; no matter how smart or wealthy or populated you are, you can never achieve political victories by burning bridges (which is effectively the only thing Igbos have collectively done since 2015, i.e. insulting and mocking Yorubas, Hausas and Fulanis).

Political victories are achieved only through alliances and partnerships. Even with the much touted population of the north, Buhari consistently lost elections until his people chose to have an alliance with the SW. Since 2015, Tinubu and his southwestern political block have eaten lots of insult and shit from the Fulani block, but they've chosen to quietly swallow the embarrassment in hope of clinching the presidency in 2023, and you'd agree that is something that looks quite likely (through tinubu or osinbajo). In my opinion, that's what politics is all about, not insulting people consistently for 7 years and then somehow turning around expecting their support to win an election.

Oplomo:
The mugu is not Ibo..

It the usual 'Ibo can never do well in our eyes' yoruba propaganda politics.

Let him go and listen to Ebenezer obey's ketekete (the man, his son and horse) song.
Obey was talking about people like him 'awon aiye' people of the world who can never see good in what others do no matter what those people do to please them

Ndigbo have done EVERYTHING in this country to be accepted, we have begged pleaded for 40 years, we have invested in other parts of the country. Infact the first editorial on the Igbo marginalization I read was written in 1973. My dad was still a young appentice boy when that piece was written. The world 'marginalization' has since become a synonym for Ndigbo. We have cried, till tears have dried. Yet these 'world people' can never see anything good in Igbo..

The question now is 'What do these people want from 65 million Igbo? These homilies on what Igbo should do and not do should stop, let the self-appointed lecturers on Igbo affairs talk to the bully (nigerian state) to enthrone justice and equity.

Our cries are music to their ears? While they play God? Mbanu, it cannot continue.
A typical african man would never bow to reason until you involve higher power/firepower/connect.

Everybody knows what to do for peaceful co-existence but let us continue to pretend we don't know. Do to Okeke, what you have done to Okorie, biri kam biri (live and lets live) but the feudo-monarchicals of nigeria say no.

The nonsense cannot continue, something must give.

One thing the Op is right about is that Igbos collectively do not know how to play politics, especially the Nigerian brand of politics. That explains why the Igbo man is by default, politically disadvantaged in Nigeria. No one else can be blamed for that. Crying marginalization is not a political strategy; even if it were, it isnt an effective one especially in the Nigerian jungle terrain where everyone (and every tribe) mindless looks out only for his own. Obviously the 'marginalization cry strategy' hasn't effectively produced any results for Igbos.

Politics is about scratching backs, blackmailing, mindless scheming etc - You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Nobody wins in politics without strategic alliances and partnerships, and that is one thing Igbos have collectively failed to do for some years now.

virginprincess:
I haven't seen soulmates that loss interest after marriage,that is almost impossible.

You're still living in fairytale land.

Mrpojj:
Selll gas , sell crude, and money no dey?
Are you getting my point at all
This people are stealing all the money that's why there is no money

Of course they're stealing money and always will, but even if they weren't, revebue from gas alone cant finance the entire budget.

sulaak:
The same money that Nigeria is wasting on oil subsidies. Since 2015, Buhari has increased the country's debt profile from $10 billion to nearly $40 billion, with the majority of the loans wasted on the consumption of imported goods and services.

Why not develop the steel plants, copper smelters, refineries, and Aluminium plants, fertiliser plants and petrochemical industries that will utilise the gas that the country is flaring.

It is cheaper and safer to develop these industries than build a gas pipeline that will be destroyed by Boko haram and ISWAP.

In 1960s, Nkrumah convinced USA Kaiser Aluminium and Reynolds Metal Company both from the United States of America to assist in the funding of the Volta Dam, which is a major source of electricity in Ghana. If Nkrumah could do it in the 1960s , while can't Nigeria do it in 2020s

Developing the Trans-Saharan Gas Pipeline (TSGP) is as important to Nigeria's economy as all those other things you mentioned. It's not of lesser importance and neither is it of lower priority than the rest. Its impact on the country's economy would be tremendous, especially considering the sheer forex inflow and political advantage it would give to Nigeria.

The EU would not only pay top dollar for Nigerian gas, it would also pay top dollar to Nigeria for logistics (i.e. to use the pipeline). The revenue coming from that gas would encourage investment in developing further gas reserves (Nigeria currently hasn't tapped into up to 10% of it's gas reserves because we literally dont have the money for that, and neither do we even have the infrastructure to sell or utilise the gas). When gas reserves in more states, including non-niger delta states like Anambra, Benue, Bauchi are developed, do you have an idea how that would turn around the economy of those states including in the area of job creation? Is this what you're rubbishing simply because you think "one dumb APC fellow in govt is the one making the suggestion"?

In addition to the economic benefits, the TSGP would give Nigeria a major political and economic advantage in the European energy politics; besides nuclear weapons, the greatest strength and bargaining chip of Russia against the entire Europe is its gas. If Nigeria builds that pipeline, we would have a major voice in deciding how Europe treats us socially, politically and economically. If there's anyone who should be against that pipeline project, it should be the Kremlin (but strangely, it's Nigerians who speak against it).

Unfortunatley, a mass of the people on this thread who have rubbished the importance of the TSGP do so primarily beecause they are ill-informed or probably just playing ignorant politics (by ignorant politics I mean, several people here just feel an irresistable urge to criticise it because they feel it's being suggested by someone they have a contempt for).

sulaak:
Morocco and Europe want the gas to create jobs and for energy security, Nigeria should be looking for money to build steel plants, refineries, power plants and copper smelters.

Where would that money come from? Nigeria currently burns away billions of dollars worth of gas through flaring. A suggestion is made to develop infrastructure to entrap those billions, but you think this is a bad idea because we dont have steel plants or copper smelters?

Building the Trans-Saharan gas pipeline through to Morocco/Algeria and connecting to Europe is a brilliant idea which should have been done 50 years ago if only we had good leaders.

Simeonjoe1:
As in I'm even shocked the way people agrees to that post. The man is talking as if the money is already there, all that's just left is a stroke of pen. In as much as we want to increase local distribution so also we should enhance our export. And which better customer can we sell to if not those in Europe. How many gas will our west African buy or can afford. Even the Nigeria market here is it profitable?
We have more than enough to export and for domestic use. All those industries mentioned requires money and this is an avenue to make such money. Nigeria is a very poor country and until we find a way to increase our IGR all those things mentioned will only be meagerly accomplished and we will still continue on the borrowing trends. Like almost any major infrastructure now we have to borrow to fund it.
This is normal market. If you have a shop and want to expand it you have to sell to the public not even your family members cause only then can you make more money to expand your shop. How many people fit consume gas for Nigeria, or we should start introducing gas subsidy another avenue to grossly decrease our income generation. Or we should start distributing free gas to people with stoves? Or creating more power generation plants when obviously the disco and consumer isn't on terms.

Any opinion that remotely resembles an opposition or criticism to what the govt (or someone in govt) says, a lot of people would naturally just buy into it as a smart opinion, irrespective of how flawed it is. That explains why an opinion which openly rubbishes the development of an export gas infrastructure to Europe can receive numerous endorsements.

Mrpojj:
Selling gas locally and international, yet nothing to show for it revenue wise
Do you think it's normal?

You want only the sale of one commodity to finance the budget of the entire nation? Is that normal logic?

Mrpojj:
Sylva said on Monday that the pipeline would be an extension of a structure that had been pumping gas from southern Nigeria to Benin, Togo and Ghana since 2010.

So there is a structure that does this already in Nigeria , and we are still borrowing?

So because Nigeria has a pipeline to Benin republic, does it automatically mean the revenue must be sufficiently large enough to fund our budget?.... A

aribisala0:
Huge and stupid?

We are still cooking with kerosine and Firewood and think the best thing to do is export gas.

When we export gas we export our children's future and jobs
Let us ask a simple question

What do those countries that buy our gas do with it and what do we buy from them in return

Google
List of top gas consuming countries you will find the top world economies

What we need to invest in is our capacity to distribute and use gas INSIDE Nigeria

That money should go on gas power plants in Nigeria and not gas pipelines for export.
Last year we made less than a billion USD from gas.

When that gas reaches Europe it would be retailed for much more(we lose)
It will contribute a lot more to their GDP and used in products which we then end up importing e.g. fertilizers(we lose again)

Among the most energy intensive products are
Basic Chemicals( Germany is one of the leading producers)
Steel
Cement
Foods e.g chocolates,beverages,tobacco
Paper
plastics
Glass
Aluminium
ALL products that we import a lot

All products we have no business importing

Strategically we should focus on using our energy for Value Addition

Does it make sense for us to

Sell cassava to anyone and then buy gari in return?

But FOR DECADES

we are buying petrol and diesel

We should not compound that folly by

putting our money into pipelines for gas to Europe

We can never get a fair price for it and we should focus on using it to boost our own economy

Let us aim to be a world leader in Glass and fertilizer . We have everything needed for that. Why export it?

Rather les us offer free or very cheap gas for 10 years for companies to come and open manufacturing plants

Glass is a big deal not gas
There is growing glass market of $120 billion worldwide, growing fertilizer market, growing steel and cement market

That should be our focus

Now that we're not exporting the gas, aren't you still using firewood to cook while you burn away billions of dollars in flares?

Developing local gas infrastructure is important, and developing capacity to export the flared gases is also extremely important.

The number of people picking B (the second sentence) is disturbing; why do so many people feel it's proper to place a 'comma' before or together with 'and'?

Whilst it may not be wrong to do so in certain cases, the most appropriate answer is C (the third sentence).