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Very in-sensitive, non-empathetic government.



Is there no other way you can urge people to stay home other than drawing our attention to the sad reality of what is going on in other countries?



Have respect for the innocent lives lost in those countries please



You urge us to stay indoors but what have you provided us with?



No electricity for comfort, no water supply, no FOOD, no money.





Foolish people and their supporters



Abeg generous nairalanders help me with any amount you have let me buy two cups of rice and eat today I didn't even eater rice on Easter yesterday
Please i and my family might die out of hunger by the end of this week


2262999223 Zenith bank
May God bless you

Very in-sensitive, non-empathetic government.



Is there no other way you can urge people to stay home other than drawing our attention to the sad reality of what is going on in other countries?



Have respect for the innocent lives lost in those countries please



You urge us to stay indoors but what have you provided us with?



No electricity for comfort, no water supply, no FOOD, no money.





Foolish people and their supporters



Abeg generous nairalanders help me with any amount you have let me buy two cups of rice and eat today I didn't even eater rice on Easter yesterday
Please i and my family might die out of hunger by the end of this week


2262999223 Zenith bank
May God bless you

CAPSLOCKED:
BUT PRAYER HAS NEVER REPLACED A SEVERED HEAD.

Bros this your comment weak me..hahahahahaha

Religion is a Scam

Their major excuse for why prayers don't get answerd is....Lack of Faith

A THOUGHT ABOUT PRAYER
Believers tell us that Jesus answers every prayer but sometimes the answer is "No". OK, but here is the interesting thing...
Some prayers are harder to answer than others. For example, if you lose your car keys, there's a pretty good chance you'll find them and if you pray to Jesus to help you find them, there's a pretty good chance he will answer your prayer.
However, if your dream is to reduce the suffering of children by ending childhood cancers, you are not likely to succeed even if you work your whole life at it. And, if you ask Jesus to do it for you, there is next to no chance he will answer that particular prayer.
When you look at a lot of examples you will conclude that the easier it is to accomplish a task yourself, the more likely Jesus will answer your prayer with a "Yes".
Since Jesus is omnipotent, there is no prayer he cannot answer so he must have to decide which to answer. You might expect he would use criteria such as how sincere or deserving you are or how much you love him or what would be most beneficial for you in the long term. However, it looks as though his criterion is rather simple--he is more likely to answer prayers for things you can easily do for yourself.
Oddly, it would work in exactly the same way if jesus didn't exist
Many years ago, a friend was featured on TV. He was at a popular monthly religious healing meeting, very visibly being healed of epilepsy. I say visibly because he was having a fit right on stage. The 'spirit' of epilepsy was cast out and my friend returned home rejoicing.
A few months later, my friend was dead. He died of an epileptic fit. Died because the university students around him didn't know about safe positioning of a 'fitting' person. He died of a condition he had been cured of.
I lost a friend to cancer, despite the prayers of many. Not the containable type of cancer, treatable by resection surgery, but one that had spread. I lost another friend to cancer who refused to undergo treatment but chose to 'have faith.' Neither faith nor prayer could cure her.
I know 2 people with incurable auto-immune diseases, who are yet to be cured, despite their faith and the prayers of many.
Faith healers CANNOT heal people of incurable diseases. They CANNOT grow out amputated limbs. They CANNOT create new eyeballs where there's been none. They CANNOT make a bone fully heal on the same day that it breaks. They CANNOT reverse the paralytic effects of polio or the musculoskeletal imbalanced celebral palsy. They CANNOT raise the truly dead.
The things that they do, that convince the unsuspecting hoipolloi to believe, can be explained in many of several other ways. I've seen enough of these healings on video, and heard enough testimonies

All coming from The religion of Love
you guys really need to Know the definition of The things you use to preach
nonsense!

Was it not the same word of God which says if thou shall ask ANYTHING in my name,i shall give it unto you??

I'm sure you've been asking for the cure for corona virus
hw market??
Las las na science go still find the cure

Samunique:
And what is that truth?

The truth is that these Pastorprenures are milking the gullible sheeples dry

maynia:
The same way God won't baby sit you, God also won't enter lab and find the cure for the virus.
We have to find the cure ourselves.

Authority against sickness? When are you going to enter the isolation centre to cure?
Malaria kills over 900 daily in Nigeria, what have you been doing towards it?
Nigeria leads in tuberculosis cases, what have you done towards it?

Working countries don't wait for things to get done, they get it done THEMSELVES.

Mention one country that having faith as solved their problems?
Just one country.

Jesus gave that power to his disciples only
i don't know why these christains think they have power to cure cancer or erase malaria from the world

nonsense and ingredients

The time has come for religious people to come up with excuses for why the prophecy didn't work

Kwantinue

So he created the devil just so he could have a challenge

Nonsense and ingredients

The biggest problem of Africans is that they don't read
you think this is the first time a plague has hit us like this?
The Spanish flu killed more than 60 million People about a hundred years ago, why didn't the world end then??

nonsense and ingredients

Samunique:
You and those liking your post are sensless.

How many covid 19 patients have you seen yourself ?

Can you pray and lay your hands on whom you do not know or see ?

Or you expect the pastors to be going about looking for coronavirus patients to be healed ? Or to bust it quarantine centers univited in order to prove their worth ?

Pls check your brain !!!

Let the government invite the pastors to pray for the victims first and see whether God is alive or not. And until that is done pls keep the shut !!!

Bcs the last time I checked, the government and its agencies are the ones solely handling this matter not the pastors.

So use your head!!!!!!!!!

i thought distance wasn't a barrier

Samunique:
You and those liking your post are sensless.

How many covid 19 patients have you seen yourself ?

Can you pray and lay your hands on whom you do not know or see ?

Or you expect the pastors to be going about looking for coronavirus patients to be healed ? Or to bust it quarantine centers univited in order to prove their worth ?

Pls check your brain !!!

Let the government invite the pastors to pray for the victims first and see whether God is alive or not. And until that is done pls keep the shut !!!

Bcs the last time I checked, the government and its agencies are the ones solely handling this matter not the pastors.

So use your head!!!!!!!!!

i thought distance wasn't a barrier

lloyds:
But, they say they don't believe in God.

When we had Ebola, We cried to God and he returned it back to its root.

why haven't God returned back hiv/aids and cancer

lloyds:
But, they say they don't believe in God.

When we had Ebola, We cried to God and he returned it back to its root.

why haven't God returned back hiv/aids and cancer
prayers dont work

waiting for @ For his usual trash

Dolchi1:
modified

One more thing, is your problem now the concept of hell or the existence of God. I always love that we stay with an argument and derail less.

The concept of hell
But,i do not claim God exists, neither do i claim he does not

Dolchi1:
Firstly, I didn't postulate any story on creation. At least not yet.

Also check my post about, I have modified. However, the real TRUTH is that every creation has a beginning and a creator.

If you tell me your problem is which religion is true? Then you might be in the side of logic. But claiming you aren't sure if there is a creator of the universe (or multiverse as some claim) and the galaxies and everything in it... Claiming such would be illogical and unintelligent.


There's obviously a SOURCE. Science spend time trying to prove this outside God.

I'm not taking sides on the creation story or Big bang theory Because they are all speculations,theories and stories

But one of my arguments are which religion is actually true

nairaman66:
Do you know how hysterical you sound with these words?

You just proved my point

Dolchi1:
Please read my post and this time slowly...

A loving Father gave himself to save the word. Jesus (the one that proceeds from the father) became a man and would forever be a man just to save man. He would deny himself equality with God just to save man. What else do you want him to do.

And please you must define the word 'serve'. I never used it at least not yet.

He has done all that he can do for you. Forcing his salvation on you would be going against 'free will'.

The only thing we need to do is believe! Accept his payment for our sin.
No love is greater than that a man lay down his life for his friends (people he love).

The last analogy... When I was a Corper, I used to allow students receive cane on behalf of others. There are some students who had much pride. When other students offer to help, they wouldn't accept. Once a student (John) received the first stroke on behalf of another (Andrew). Andrew insisted that John didn't receive the cane for him. So I had to flog Andrew his complete strokes as though nobody helped him out even though in reality somebody did. Why was that? Because Andrew had a choice (free will). I would later find out that Andrew and John had a little quarrel earlier that day and as such didn't want the help of John.

Giving Andrew a few strokes of the cane is nothing compared to eternal torture in a burning lake of fire

Why cant you understand that the concept of hell is cruel and wicked

Dolchi1:
I need to be sure we are on same page together. Do you agree that something can't exist out of nothing or not?

If you agree that something can't exist out of nothing then your theories are flawed. Your Big Bang Theory and their likes would come to nothing.

And if you don't agree, I would need you to do some exegesis on how to create nothing out of something.


That said, Asking me how God came to be sounds foolish. Have you forgotten that we are talking of a God (creator)?

Please don't lose focus. Existence is defined by location and time. The moment you try to put something into space and time, that thing is now a creation and not a creator. God is the creator. He created time and space, how can you then try defining him from what wasn't existing before God.

So does God exist? Yes. In time? No. Hence the question when and how did God start existing is flawed

No one says the big bang theory is real, it's just a theory
Same with the creation story, it was written in a book and you just believe it without asking logical questions about it

The real TRUTH is that no one actually is sure of anything..... because no proof

In monotheistic religions such as Christianity and Islam God is said to be omnipotent many times in their scriptures. Omnipotency implies other super-powers too: if you are all-powerful then you have the means to instantly uncover any and every fact, so, it also implies omniscience. It also requires omniscience.

However omnipotency has such theological and philosophical difficulties that it seems to be a self-contradictory and impossible concept. God itself is constrained by the laws of logic and rationality - it can't make a square circle or create an object that it can't destroy. Most people cede that "omnipotent" means only the ability to do any logical thing1,2. Indeed, in order to create anything at all then you must first be able to think rationally, in an ordered way, and therefore, to be subject to logical cause-and-effect3. Therefore, omnipotent beings can't be the creators of the fundamental laws. Omnipotency contradicts being the "first cause" of all reality. And if an all-powerful being created pain, suffering, the cycle of life (wherein most living beings must kill and eat other beings to survive) whilst it has the all-powerful ability to create eternal happiness for everyone, then, such a being cannot be benevolent (morally good). Millennia of theological and philosophical debate has not resulted in these contradictions being resolved.
There are some commonly stated limitations to the very concept of omnipotency, meaning that some qualifications need to be made against the idea of an all-powerful God:

Irrational and illogical actions such as creating a "round square" or making 2+2=5, appear to be impossible even for an all-powerful God. So many say that "all-powerful" means only the ability to do all logical non-contradictory actions.4,2

Self-limiting actions such as making itself non-existent, or, removing its own power of omnipotency, are often said to be impossible for an all-powerful being. If it chose to make itself unable to do a particular action then it would be a simple gesture for this being to re-instate its power. For example, if the all-powerful God knows that in the year 2050 it will cause an Earthquake, but, in the year 2040 it removes its own power to cause natural disasters, it can of course do two things, (1) use its omnipotency to give itself the power again, or (2) in 2030 to jump ahead in time and do it before it removed its own ability. Also if such a being decides "I shall for all time not have the ability to do something", then, it can only do that action if it does have the ability to do it. This self-negation causes an impossible time-continuum contradiction. It thusly seems impossible for it to stop itself from performing any action.

There can only be one omnipotent being, otherwise, their two independent wills would limit each other's power. By definition, both would have to "get their own way" all the time in order to continue to be all-powerful. In other words, they could never effectively disagree. Therefore, an omnipotent being can't create any new, independent, omnipotent mind.

Finally, the most damning limitations:

God Cannot be Responsible for Creating Logic Itself:

In order to create, to think, God's thoughts must be more than random. To create the universe and its laws, God must be able to think logically. If it can't think logically, then, the laws of the universe were simply random, and the Universe might as well have been self-created in an atheistic manner. In other words, for God to exist, God's thoughts must have always been ordered in a logical manner otherwise God could never have created order from chaos.
These limitations on omnipotency have built up to form quite a list of things an all-powerful being cannot do. "All-powerful" can't mean what it says in any simple way. Omnipotency is best not described as "the ability to do anything", rather as "the ability to do the maximum number of possible actions within the confines of logical impossibilities and self-limitations, except the creation of other beings that are also super-powerful, but, this power cannot co-exist simultaneously with the power of omniscience (being all-knowing) and free will nor benevolence. Also, omnipotency depends upon the ability to think straight and therefore requires the pre-existence of logic; ergo an omnipotent being cannot be the reality-creating first cause of existence".

The resultant being, if all-powerful, is the shallow wreckage of an amoral entity, bound by such severe limitations on agency that ultimate creative power, moral agency and free will are all removed. An omnipotent being is simply impossible - the closest thing that could exist is an amoral very-powerful automaton.
Can God Create a Rock So Heavy That It Can't Lift It?
This question is often cited as a disproof of omnipotency. If God can't create such a rock, then, God can't do anything, so is not all-powerful. If God can create a rock it can't lift, then, it is not true that God can lift any rock, therefore, God is still not all-powerful. However the question is merely a trick. Consider what it means in practical terms. God can lift an infinite amount. The question is saying, therefore, "Can God create a rock with a weight greater than infinity?". Of course, this question is logically absurd. The question is wrong and illusory and depends upon an illogical concept of "greater than infinity".


Share your views without any threat of eternal damnation please

nairaman66:
Just confused lots using atheism as a bargaining chip for senseless talks!

Typical words of theists who dont know the answers,but will never admit that they dont

They will just tell you to have faith or be damned in hellfire forever

So basically, every Non-Christain on earth will go to hellfire

Dolchi1:
Question 5. Anyone that does not serve God will go to hell. How can we reconcile this with the concept of "free will''


Firstly, what takes a man to hell is in 'not believing' in the sacrifice of Jesus (his death and resurrection). There is a universal problem with the world and that is sin. This was a choice man made from the first man Adam. And the consequence of his choice from sin and death (hell). Don't forget that choice is a product of free will which man has. God so loves us and wouldn't want us to perish in hell and as such came as a man (Jesus) to pay for the sin of the world. Again free will comes into play. You can choose to accept his sacrifice for your sin or bear the sacrifice (consequence) by yourself. To accept is to believe he did it for you.

Also note that God isn't the one punishing for sin but the one paying for sin. Christ died for our sins. Believe (accept) it and be saved. Reject (unbelieve) and die (hell) for your own sin. Whichever way, God isn't the one sending anybody to hell, you go to hell based on your choices.

So a loving and caring father would Torture his children in a lake of fire for billions upon billions of centuries just because he didn't serve him

Would you be supporting the concept of hell if you were in hell right now
Answer this question pls

Eagleboney:
will you protest from teaching what is in the syllabus, you are employed to teach students what is in the syllabus, so you have teach them and go ur way, a primary school teacher may tell the students that man evolved in basic science and also teach xame students that God created man from sand in CRK ,that does not make the teacher to believe in evolution ,she is just doing her job

Good response
Now tell me why you believe in the creation story and not in the evolution theory

Remember that there is no evidence for either

Eagleboney:
scientists act by what they believe, they gave the constellations this name ,cos they believe their existence,you may be anxious to see God before you believe he exists,
then how do dreams come about??
many times I dreamed it happens exactly xame way It happened in my dream, I will be like this event have occurred somewhere before ,then I may remember It occurred in my dream,
what your answer to that??
you may call It hallucination

I wonder how dreams prove God's existence

Anyway,dreams are a result of our brains playing tricks on us.what we dream depends on what we've done previously,or what we might intend to do later
It's all just psychological

inrainbows:
i pity you people. Only God can change your hearts honestly because [b]even in d bible [/b]he said he has given people like u into reprobation that u would continue to believe a lie. I just hope that is not the case. LISTEN! I HAVE WITNESSED THE SUPERNATURAL. I AM A LIVING WITNESS!!! DO NOT BE FOOLISHLY STUBBORN! FEAR FOR YOUR ETERNITY!!!! THIS IS REAL NOT FAKE!!!!

Really

Anyway, Repent and serve the true lord

Dolchi1:
For the benefit of doubt...

I would answer your questions

Question 1 Is there any objective proof that a being created the universe? What is it?

The question should be can something exist out of nothing. 'Something' placed it on motion. You might call it nature or the Big Bang, we call 'it' GOD. I wouldn't want to spend so much talking on this. I want to believe you are quite intelligent.

Question 2. Every proponent of the "God exists theory" believes so based on what they heard or read. Never based on real proof. Why should I believe that the events about God in the bible or koran is true?

The question is what do you consider as real proof. The benefit of the Bible is received solely through faith. But you would be wrong to say there aren't real proof. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't know what you call real proof but the Holy Spirit in me is all the proof one can need. And this has been evident (real proof) in my experience. I function so much in the gifts of the Spirit. What other proof do I need


Question 3 Why is there no objective proof of miracles in this era of civilisation as it were in the era of Jesus christ and Moses?

This one is quite ambiguous. I don't know what you mean. But you are sure far from the church. If you were closer, you would have seen what Jesus is doing in and through his church.

Question 4. There is a very great conflict between all the gods of all the religion with each claiming their God is superior. Given that the conflict in all religion is caused by "uncertainity", wouldn't it be more efficient for God to reveal himself (or atleast with objective proof like how he established himself through elijah) physically as the true God?

What exactly is your problem? The first of superiority between religions or God revealing himself?? Are you implying that you believe in his existence but aren't sure who is superior?

Anyway, I wouldn't want to quote scriptures for you as you wouldn't want to take it as an authority. However, God has given us something better than fire falling from heaven (if that's what you mean by objective). He has given us (Christians) his Spirit. Talking about revealing himself, I would leave it for question 60th

If nothing can exists out of nothing, please explain to me how God came to be

And saying the holy spirit is in you is just a product if indoctrination..you don't feel,hear or see him but you just have faith that he is there

inrainbows:
i pity you people. Only God can change your hearts honestly because even in d bible he said he has given people like u into reprobation that u would continue to believe a lie. I just hope that is not the case. LISTEN! I HAVE WITNESSED THE SUPERNATURAL. I AM A LIVING WITNESS!!! DO NOT BE FOOLISHLY STUBBORN! FEAR FOR YOUR ETERNITY!!!! THIS IS REAL NOT FAKE!!!!

The only ' PROOF ' That God exists is in the bible

So it means Odin,Zeus,Ares,Krishna and every other God exists
Then explain to me why your religion is the true one

Eagleboney:
Then why are scientists naming constellations after mythological creatures and beings ,if they do not believe in supernatural beings ,why should they do so??

Why does christains teach the theory of evolution in schools if they dont believe in it

Eagleboney:
Don't mind them bro ,most of them saying they don't believe in God ,believe in diabolic and fetish elements, who is deceiving who

The difference between science and religion is clear

Religion:we dont know, therefore,God!

Science:We dont know,lets find out