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Pastor Joagbaje is free to call Jesus Christ any how he sees our savior to each his own plus each of us have to "work out his/her own salvation with fear and trembling" unless this doesn't apply to the "wofers"

Africankel:
@Poster: Does a president trully need a private jet?

NO

UK prime minister, German Chancellor don't  own a jets, British airways/Lufthansa, I am sure there are plenty of countries that don't feel the need to waste their resources like that.

Churches that are supposed to look after the body of Christ should even be more careful with resources than secular authorities but I guess some of them want to measure up with corporate CEO s hence the need to act like them.

^^^Pastor Joagbaje, so you mean to tell me you and your folks are "reaching" far more than Jesus Christ?
Ever heard of "many are called, few are chosen"? kanda kanda ooooo

What do you call a mourner crying more than the bereaved?

You can't be doing more than the one who PAID the ULTIMATE price for you and I and makes our "reach" possible,

In Jesus name, every knee shall bow right? or have you folks changed that too?


Like "sir Charles" wrote ", I maybe wrong but I doubt it"

Interesting stuff babaearly.

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Joagbaje:
Who says rhapsody is holy bible. I thought we all went to school. Rhapsody is a devotional dude!

Is it with the coins they give as offerings there they will use to buy RCCG? . So youre a catholic!
If you know how many billions great ministries like CEC commit to the work of God.  You wont be sayig this kind of childish nonsense. Are churches in competition?

If he can afford it he would have had one,  Why would he need one anyway,Does he hold crusade or heal the sick , where is he going with jet. Those who had jet has ministerial obligations to use it for. Not for pleasure ride.

Catholic boy thank you. I worship Jesus. And for your information, my pastor doesnt have private jet He chatter a plane ,but if the journey becomes  more frequent and  it seems to be more economical to buy one than to chatter,  He will get it with the snap of a finger.

Pastor Joagbaje, put the bottle down now! or better yet, turn off the video link to "pastor christ" so you can think rationally.

You must either be IGNORANT or from a very remote village to think the Catholic Church is as broke as your loveworld inc. and their ilk in Nigeria or elsewhere. Look it up rev.

I am not Catholic and did go to a Catholic high school but PAID a nominal fee unlike you and didn't have to pay for "dispensary/doctor" visits or medications.

I don't expect any less from a pastor who claims Jesus Christ didn't reach as much people as your "pastor christ" does today. Your game is up.

Pastor Joagbaje is back from vacation/hibernation and already on a huge role distorting the Scriptures!

None of you so called MOGs can even touch Paul, Peter, John, etc let alone our Lord Jesus Christ who GAVE his LIFE on the Cross for our sakes.


Why was he going about with crew members, when they should have been productive in the society, they were jobless and eating people's money! FLEECING THE SHEEP!


I pray for your repentance from the blasphemy you just posted, no wonder you call your man "pastor christ" Jesus took 12 Apostles and made Disciples out of them(with the exception of Judas who was in LOVE with money like a lot of your ilk these days), ROR is not the Holy Bible dude!

FYI: The Catholic Church can buy RCCG, Winners, Love-world, Mountain of fire, etc and still have enough spare change to buy Nigeria and the rest of Africa and yet the Pope doesn't own a private jet. You guys appear to be plain NUTS worshiping your MOGs instead of Jesus Christ our true savior.

Up "Bedel"

If this is not fiction, she is putting her self and her children in harm's way by not moving on, she can leave room for him to come back but the deal appears done much like the Phoenix Suns.

Jenwitemi:
Great discussion. Can u folks get more boring?

Perhaps i should add a little bit of spice; God(Yahweh/Jehovah) Is Not So Good  Now, take it away. . .

Matthew 15:11 (King James Version)

11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

LOL@ this thread, And I thought the Yoruba movies had better plots and direction than all those Nollywood straight to DVD movies!

Movies are for entertainment and are generally not suited for the Christian no matter who made them or where they're made, just because you can't tell those kinds of things from oyinbo movies don't mean they're not there, think or study more.

God is GOOD all the time


##You need to learn to use spellchecker OP

I believe you meant to use the headline, "God is awesome"

^^ You "hope" or you PRAY? Something "fishy" about a supposed "rookie/newbie" with enough background information on NL, Come correct or don't bother at all.

The public relations department of "Loveworld Inc.", good job guys

Keeping up with the "Jones-es" is one VALID reason a jet would be needed, once their "followers" come now, they will tell you how much travel has to be done and how chartered flights or 1st class tickets won't suffice and how you need not "touch my anointed", the list goes on.

"he who have ears, let him hear" , "by their fruits, ye shall know them"

^^^Olu, can't you tell this "mudley313" character doesn't believe in God? Mudley313 must be one of those atheists parading NL, confused at best.

^^ So a Christian ought to celebrate Greek gods too now?

OP raised some valid points and you all need to research/study rather than calling him names.

That's my 2 Cents

^^ Thank you Chukwudi44

Luke 23:

43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.



Matt.28:

7And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

Remember also that one of the ACCUSATIONS against Jesus Christ was that " Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,"

Kennyyo:
I just feel people need to double check their opinions before voicing it. Tithing has been before Moses, before David, before Jesus and definately before the RCC- Abraham was the first to practise it- Genesis 14:20  "And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all". This is not denying the fact that various people across the generations have use tithing to advance their selfish causes.

Dude!!!! Jesus is God, how can a pagan practice be around before the CREATOR?

chukwudi44:
This is what I beleive in

1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:

2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:

3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:

4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

5. The third day he rose again from the dead:

6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:

9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

10. The forgiveness of sins:

1l. The resurrection of the body:

12. And the life everlasting. Amen

I disagree with the highlighted portion (lines 6&7) Chukwudi44, The wofers seem to have picked up on the fallacy of Jesus Christ going to hell. You contradicted your self with line 7 "rose from the dead", wrong interpretation of the Greek word "Hades" don't you think?

Image123:
I'm wondering why anyone who give tithe must either be seen as a pastor collecting tithes helplessly for a living or a self-righteous person. I'm wondering why majority of 'anti-tithers' do not belong to any church and yet still find it excruciating that church members give tithe.anyways
It'll do some good if we revisited this Abraham tithing narration. Remember, Bible students against tithing say tithing is of the law but we say Abraham gave tithes before the law. The second major arguement against tithes is that tithing must be agricultural produce, but we say Abraham gave tithes above agricultural produce. Now we're hearing Abraham gave tenth, not tithe and it's not Abraham's personal property. So whose property was it?

How did you come to that highlighted conclusion? Does the "Church" make the Christian or the Christian makes the Church? "Image is everything"

nuclearboy:, Jacob made a CONDITIONAL promise to pay a 10th and we did not see any proof of him paying up, everything else you posted is on point.

It is hard to debate folks who have to "CHECK" with some authority other than our Lord Jesus Christ before they come back with answers

Olaadegbu might not be old enough to have read "Animal Farm" in high school but he does remind me of the 'Old Major' character while Tonye-Tithe reminds me of 'Squealer' and pastor Joagbaje reminds me of 'Napoleon'

I am curious to see where the Bible stated that a Christian can't drink alcoholic drinks, having a drink or two now equals being drunk? When folks want to CONTROL you, they make you follow certain "laws" no matter how "unlawful", Are Christians allowed to eat Italian or French since they mostly cook with white or red whine?

Olaadegbu, I sincerely hope you are engaged in legitimate business/work in the UK rather than peddle this kind of nonsense to other folks who are genuinely seeking the Salvation of Christ.

You are the same guy in another thread who thought Cumin was a means of exchange, I am waiting for you to tell me soon that Coriander or ginger can be exchanged too. No shame in your game one can clearly see. Remember what Jesus Christ taught us about giving and not what your so called mog preaches (if they don't align with the Bible, cease and desist).

We need to keep you folks in our prayers (Seriously)

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=441519.msg6016680#msg6016680 date=1273248809]My friend, pls post the queries and i'll provide you scriptural evidence.
And how exactly do they manipulate these scriptures? pls answer me. Its very obvious now i can tag you as member of the band of dilly-dallies.

what is manipulation in preaching tithing as a relevant task for believers of God?
what is manipulation in preaching for collections to be used to help give scholarships to folks in school?
what is manipulation in preaching to christians the benefits of giving to one another?
what is manipulation in preaching for collections to be used for outreaches and missions?
what is manipulation in preaching to believers the christian obligations to the needy and orphans?

Nuclearboy, all you guys do is come around, find some gossip stuffs about innocent MOG and paint their ministries black. "pls remove that log b4 pointing at the others' speck" - just an advice!

tell me you support tithing fine!
tell me you agree to giving fine!

else tell me you ( and i mean your band since you used the word 'WE') are of the opinion that [color=#006600]giving should stop in churches because of the way some fake MOGs abuse it and i'll have problems with that. [/color][/quote]What you and your Jerry Curled con men fail to realize tonye-tithe is the "change in Priesthood" , maybe you should read up on that in case you forgot the Christian is the Church now and our MOG is non other than Jesus Christ, not some other guy no matter what he wants to be called or how many greatest hits videos he has to his credit.

By their FRUITS we shall definitely know them! Get a REAL JOB instead of trying to use the Bible dude

Obviously, tonye-tithe and his executive director rev. Joagbaje must have left their Scroll expedition in Greece because that country is going broke and came here to try those same old nonsense that has been discredited over and over again.

You can quote the Scripture out of CONTEXT all you want but your SCAM is on the way out, more folks are waking up to your tricks WISEGUYS.

Am I surprised your list does not include HOLINESS without which NO ONE shall see God?

Abeg, carry your Jerry curl head go jare!

Enigma:
Here is an old story that some people might be familiar with. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article417711.ece


After the guy was convicted and sent to jail for sexual and financial offences, his wife pulled the church away from the authority of the Charity Commission; in other words, she declared that their church was now a business and not a charity. And guess what? Many of the sheeple continued to flock to the church as it was pastored by the wife while he was doing his jail (porridge or ewa beans). After serving his jail time, guess what? The guy of course returned to pastoring.

One final guess what The majority of his congregation are . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Nigerians (supposedly educated Nigerians at that)!!!! Sometimes when we think our people are smart, we forget that because of greed and aspiration our people themselves are sometimes the very easiest to defraud, the very easiest to 419 and take as mugu or is it maga that they say now?

True story, I know someone who was a member of this Church and was married there too, she told me how the pastor apologized to them when he got out of jail and how the so called "elders" asked them to forgive him. She left there for a smaller Church in the Grays area of Essex. Enigma should be nominated for the Pulitzer along with Kunle for great reporting

"touch not my anointed" is a COVER most of the new breed churches and "wofers" hide under to avoid not only detection but also I think to justify why they act the way they do and their members who appear to be too dazed to smoke them out of that cover.

We have to continue beating the drum so a lot of folks can be liberated from this kind of bondage.

Chidi, you look more like the Jerry curled Eric La Sale's character in the movie, coming to America,

Why did you come to NL to make a fool of your self dude? maybe you do look like Oyakhilome on CRACK

Well put my brother God bless you for your efforts.

They have no idea that all true Christians have the anointing they love to point out ever so often, they put other men like them on a pedestal which only JESUS should have and forget that our God can't be mocked.

Love is the foundation of Jesus Christ's ministry here on earth but that didn't stop him from throwing the money changers out of the Temple in the only instance where he was angry at what they have turned the house of God into.

Don't let them hear that the "Church/Temple" is the Christian under GRACE because that's not what they were "taught" by the "MOG"

^^^ I can only imagine pastor Joagbaje now fuming " no he didn't"

Great job Enigma, people should really look hard at the "wofers" and what they're capable of turning Christianity into.

Pastor Joagbaje is taking too many punches to the head and needs to throw in the towel. Where is tonye-tithe when you need him jo? Between Nuclear boy and Enigma this air + aerial assault on the wofers is bound to yield fruits especially for those who are willing to learn more about how most these guys have sort of created their own form that is contrary to what the Bible teaches.

This one may be way better than the upcoming Floyd Mayweather vs Shane Mosley fight oooo!

>> Front row seat with popcorn in hand