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Christianity EtcRe: What It Means To Be "born Again"! by ogajim(m): 5:05pm On Apr 27, 2010
Joagbaje:
Well we are dealing with  salvation here and not healing. You may open a new thread on this. But I will say this ; It is not everything written in that article that is correct. Some lies are there. But nonetheless,  Every man work by teir convictions. We dont all belive thesame thing. They were not perfect  people. They dont all know what some of us know today. A man answer for  himself. Even if their faith fail in one or two areas , they haveconquered thousands of challenges by faith. . How many of their testimonies of faith have you listen to personally? Critics only major in the flaws of others, Several men of the bible days had their flaws too.But let God be true.Even Jesus had his own challenges, His  faith shook . He alsmost didnt want to go to the cross.He chose a thief to be his cashier.
WOW @ the highlighted above!

Jesus had no CHALLENGES my friend, only those who are out to confuse will think of all that Jesus Christ went through for our SAKES as his own challenges. Jesus was and remains BLAMELESS! The stages he went through was to teach us lessons and never a product of his own, he already KNEW his assignment before he was "born" to SAVE us, abeg o, study your Bible well well before you lead others out of the way oooo cool

Ever noticed that every time the Apostles/Disciples were listed that Judas always came last? You think that wasn't intentional? You think Jesus wasn't aware the guy was stealing and left him to teach us a lesson about GREED?

Matthew 26:

24The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Christianity EtcRe: From: Malcolm X by ogajim(m): 4:45pm On Apr 27, 2010
jagunlabi:
Which jesus do you think of then? What skin color does he have? What is his hairstyle? E get goatee? Can you show us the image of jesus that you have hung on your wall at home? Plenty kweshions. grin
Think of the Pharaohs they keep digging up every now and then, are they white or as light as most of the Egyptians you see these days? That should explain a lot of it to anyone who is OBJECTIVE enough to seek answers, they looked so much alike in those days to the point of one of Pharaoh's daughter taking in baby Moses and raising him to full adulthood. wink
Christianity EtcRe: Bilingual (yoruba And English) Church In Georgia by ogajim(m): 4:33pm On Apr 27, 2010
I get your point now, hope every thing is peachy over there in the ATL.
Christianity EtcRe: Bilingual (yoruba And English) Church In Georgia by ogajim(m): 2:56pm On Apr 27, 2010
Of what use is this? You mean to tell me someone left Nigeria for America and unable to communicate in the language of his adopted home? We need to spend our time on worthwhile enterprises rather than encourage people to remain in the sidelines.
Christianity EtcRe: I Want To Know About The Freemasons. Are They Really Satan Worshippers? by ogajim(m): 8:36pm On Apr 26, 2010
There is nothing that says the devil is not going to try to duplicate what God already established for his people if only to say he can do it too. Don't they also have the pagan/devilish trinity? The devil is in charge of this temporary world and will do anything to take others with him come judgment day.

The "authorities" that tried and put Jesus on the cross thought they did it because they had the 'power' instead of the events being what God had already decided so that man would no longer die.
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 11:22pm On Apr 24, 2010
Gunner needs a lesson in signs and symbols it seems, maybe you need to take that as home work and figure out what your team's logo actually means cheesy

Ever heard of the 5 Solas? If the Catholic Church was enough, why did Martin Luther bother to write 93 thesis on the sale of indulgence? Learn young man grin
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 2:43am On Apr 24, 2010
Gunnaz007:
^^^ hehehe, YES I SUPPORT THE ARSENAL, any probs with that?

And who is holding a man in the place of the Most High God? It's a high time people desist from equating esteem and worship!!! Because others esteem their leaders, it therefore implies that they have substituted them for GODhuh? Come on brother, you can do beta than that one!!!

Your statement on "broadcasting" is passing a sublime judgement on others because your assertion implies that if people so to say "broadcast" the "folks" they are worshipping and fellowshipping with, it means they are not working out their own salvation?? When you regard your individual way of doing things as the yardstick for measuring the way of others, doesnt that seem like self-centredness?

So a church receiving offerings and saving same is a sin abi?; One is expected to believe that a fellowship/church that receives offerings, shud not save same right? What is a bank meant for? Read biblical stories in context and dont misapply them to suit your ideology!!!!

So all the churches that own various business arms are in error abi? u educate me, because you seem to exhibit a scholarly prowess of biblical truths!!

The fact that you have chosen not to speak out for your brother doesnt mean others wont!!!!

It is not enuv to say serve GOD, what is the mechanics? How do you serve God without subjecting yourself to those that He (God) placed in position of authority over you and without this subjection being miscontrued as "worshipping man"?

My brother, I am serving God, not on the pages of nairaland, I am serving Him beyond the judgement of man --- got that wink
The very fact that you love a soccer team enough to use on NL says a lot (to put it mildly but that analysis is for a different thread), I play soccer and don't cheer lead, I rest my case.

Nigeria has changed, the Anglicans, Catholics, Methodists, etc brought free or subsidized education, health care, and other social services to the communities they ministered to but these days the new age churches of Nigeria are busy opening universities most of their members can't afford to send their children, for profit companies and what have you with only the naive left to defend such. There are STRICT laws that govern such around here so don't blame me for not being aware of "business churches" if such exists.

It would be nice for the "gunner" to lay off the koolaid for indoctrination for a little while don't ya think? wink


Shalom.


CHARLOE: God bless you my brother, we can't allow the misinformation to continue unchallenged or we too will be failing in our Christian obligation to LOVE one another and SHARE with one another.
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 8:31pm On Apr 23, 2010
^^ You got to be a soccer fan of one of those teams in the UK , I don't follow any man, I follow Jesus Christ and holds no man in that regard reserved for the most high. I expected you to "educate" me on why a Church should become involved in banking since the only time we ever found in the Bible where Jesus Christ was visibly upset was when he turned the tables in the Temple where the money changers had set up shop.

You all may know more than I do so feel free to "educate" me on this, I don't believe in Churches, I only believe in God through his only begotten son Jesus Christ. I have worshiped/fellowshiped with the same folks now for over 3 years and don't feel a need to broadcast them because at the end of the day, "each one of us will have to work out his/her own Salvation with fear and trembling".


Serve God only because he CAN'T and WON'T disappoint you!
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 6:56pm On Apr 23, 2010
This thread is about folks stealing from a Church's bank ( I didn't know Churches were into banking these days in Nigeria) and my comments were strictly about that and not judgmental on anyone no matter their position. It is not my job neither do I need another job (thank God), I am too grounded to be drawn into any war of any kind. Your tone here is a little milder than the previous, anger/hate is not a Christian value so I don't hate at all, I am at peace with myself and my God.

The problem with most Nigerians is that they don't care enough to look at folks critically and come up with an idea as to the kind of leader (secular and spiritual) they follow and it shows in the state of affairs in the country currently, I am not here to argue with folks who were still in diapers when I left high school as it brings no value whatsoever to me.

We need to remember that God will not share his GLORY with ANYONE/ NO ONE no matter what we call them, Moses and Aaron were prime examples of that. Glory belongs SOLELY to God.
Christianity EtcRe: Oyedepo Has Done Great by ogajim(m): 12:04am On Apr 23, 2010
Mudley313:
lol @ our daddy. your biological n heavenly father will be very proud of u

how does it feel worshiping a mere mortal? a rogued one at dat
It's mind bugling the way some of these guys roll now.

And the moral of this story is huh huh huh huh
Christianity EtcRe: From: Malcolm X by ogajim(m): 3:45pm On Apr 22, 2010
Malcolm X was a Muslim,

When I think of Jesus, I am not thinking of the one they show so often, no one from that region should look like that picture.
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 1:15pm On Apr 22, 2010
oloriooko:
@Kunleoshob
I think you must have been blinded by your sore hatred for this man that you totally missed my point here.
Let me straighten you out now:
Your life is not measured by how good you are at criticizing others, castigating people who are busy doing something worthwhile with their lives (good or bad) or attacking personalities just because you feel dwarfed by their achievements but by what you have applied your life to doing be it good or bad. If you have personal issues with this man, I think you are holding the loser end of the stick because you have not achieved anything close to what he has done for his generation (good or bad)!.
You must learn to respect people that have achieved something worth mentioning with their lives though you may have your reservations about their activities. You have no right questioning what someone did when you have not tried it talk more of surpassing it!

@ogajim
I can see how frustrated you are with life and in a bid to grab something in life, you decide taking on people with your loose tongue and questionable upbringing, because no normal person in his or her right frame of mind would utter those ugly words that came out of your unbriddled tongue and i think you must have grown up hearing such degrading words. My advise to you is to get something doing, seem you are jobless and definitely hopeless (no offense anyway). People of your type always seek others support before they can do anything in life; its pathetic. if you are a christian which you proclaim, such destructive, degrading and demonic words would not proceed out of your buccal cavity.
You quote a lot of scriptures which seem to show that you are not familiar with the bible at all; its a shame. Read your bible very well and your mouth will be strained from uttering the wrong words. I wish you safe journey in your life endeavours because with this kind of tongue, i assure, you cannot go too far!.
The definition for "frustration" must have changed but then again, you got a point: I am FRUSTRATED with folks who view God as some kind of santa claus, folks who twist the Scriptures to fit their SCHEME, folks who follow others when they should be leading, folks who have little or no self esteem/worth, I could go on and on grin

You can get personal all you want dude and it won't move me except you try to rub those Jerry curls on me cheesy, I don't know where you get the impression folks don't work or make a living in the US but this is not a forum for such education so I won't even touch that but you are entitled to your opinion cool.

I can BOLDLY say I have never stolen in my life and would out anyone who does that I am aware of because it is our Christian DUTY to do such and not seek any glory for it, no one (I repeat no one) can make me do anything with sweet words like a snakeskin oil sales man. Jesus Christ is my FRIEND and he is the ONLY one I can follow but you are free to do as you please but be warned.

These are the last days and I suggest you go back and STUDY your (you don't read the Bible dude) Bible very well and see that we have brothers hating on brothers, pestilence, rumors of wars, natural disasters, nations rising up against others, etc. You can read ROR all you want but it doesn't QUALIFY as a Bible, I have been to Ewu before mind you even if it's just once wink

I would much rather remain anonymous than make a bad name for myself, I don't need money that bad my friend, I am CONTENT in case you want to know. cheesy || I'll keep you in my prayers though grin

Shalom!
Christianity EtcRe: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by ogajim(m): 4:03pm On Apr 21, 2010
maddock:
I really donot have time for your idiotic remarks, if you dont want to pay tithes why cant you stay put and allow those that feel,thinks or knows it important do so. I am so sick and tired of guys like you and kunleoshob, men you guys should start you own church and preach whatever you believe, instead of looking for cheap medium to confuse the gullible [color=#000099][b]([color=#000099]including me, maddock)[/color] amongst us.[/b][/color]
You've got to be out of your mind to think anyone is trying to confuse with EDUCATION, no one condemns a person paying a tithe if that's what they believe in, what some of us condemn is the "requirement of tithe" preaching that goes on these days among Nigerian and 'wofer' Churches for the most part.


Image123:
@InesQor
Point is that most people in support of tithe ignore threads like this, or do not contribute. For one tithe supporter, you'll usually get above double tithe haters insulting him/her and thinking he collects tithes for a living. Both the hater that has not been to church in a while and the one that doesn't believe in God, and the one that thinks he knows some Bible passages, they all have an irresistable urge to post. That's what I call the taskmaster's hardness
Call it whatever you want to call it Mr. it remains your problem and prerogative:

Some folks can't handle the truth so it's fine when they don't want to know because ignorance is bliss as it's often said. As for "haters" not going to Church service on a regular basis, you can speak for those you know because I for one can count the number of "Services and Sunday school" I miss in a year on one hand not to talk of the fact that I am a "worker". Check your Bible again if we are supposed to just follow and not "test every spirit" and "be wise as serpents and gentle as doves", maybe you forgot that satan was once a high Angel and infiltrating a Church wouldn't be out of reach for such, Charity to God is not what you give to a building, God's Church is in Christians, :

1 Cor. 13
Christianity EtcRe: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by ogajim(m): 12:25am On Apr 21, 2010
^^^ Now Fela's song "zombie" makes lots of sense now! cool cool cool cool
Christianity EtcRe: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by ogajim(m): 6:20pm On Apr 20, 2010
maddock:
Tough choice though, but your level of spiritualism should determine your choice. If you decide o help out your friend with your tithe, [b]you maybe deliberately opening yourself for the devourer to attack[/b]. Just hope that someone would be willing to make the sacrifice you made.
As for me and my household i know exactly what to do.Wanna know? PAY MY TITHE INSTEAD AND SEE THE MIRACULOUS HAND OF GOD.



Based on your logic, those who don't pay tithe "open themselves for the devourer to attack"


Based on your second logic, you only "see the miraculous hand of God" when you pay tithes?

>>>And people wonder how some folks can be brainwashed into becoming suicide bombers! cool
Christianity EtcRe: I Want To Know About The Freemasons. Are They Really Satan Worshippers? by ogajim(m): 5:44pm On Apr 20, 2010
Remii, looks like you need to take a class prior to coming on this thread so the discussions wouldn't seem outlandish to you buddy!
Christianity EtcRe: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by ogajim(m): 5:38pm On Apr 20, 2010
^^^ Where is the Biblical backing for such conclusions your honor?
Christianity EtcRe: Pastors Getting Powers From Erelu Jesu by ogajim(m): 1:53pm On Apr 20, 2010
If you go through history, you will see that Europe went through what Nigeria is going through these days, there are the days of "the modern church of Nigeria LTD", it's all about the money now it seem.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Pastoring Supposed To Be Full-Time Or Not? by ogajim(m): 1:46pm On Apr 20, 2010
kenny888:
Are pastors called in nigeria today? Or people go into pastoring after becoming jobless for some time.
Got to wait for the answer to that question cheesy, Evidence suggest they go into Pastoring after failing to secure employment else where for majority of Nigerian Pastors.
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 12:03pm On Apr 20, 2010
^^^ Trying to find a rhyme and reason for this post!

Our God is a JUST God who sent his only begotten son to PAY our DEBT in FULL and yet called himself our FRIEND while he was here on earth, he warned us of what the last days would be like which is why he admonished us to be "wise as serpents and gentle as doves" for FALSE preachers would come after his SHEEP.

"By their fruits, ye shall know them, ", if spreading the TRUTH about our Lord Jesus Christ makes someone to be "categorized", it can only be a GOOD category to be in grin

You guys need more firepower ( a few Abrams tanks maybe cheesy) it seems undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 4:39pm On Apr 19, 2010
Kunle, why you dey mind this olorioko ( I am tempted to call him oloriburuku) person sef?

These folks are amorphous kinds of people and no matter the amount of light we try to shed on their practices, they won't take it because they will just change into another ID and try to defend the indefensible.

God will surely judge them, something must be missing somewhere with these lot!
Christianity EtcRe: Tithe Is : by ogajim(m): 2:07pm On Apr 19, 2010
^^^^ otitokoro1, Do you know what Cumin is? It is a spice and anytime you eat food prepared with Curry powder, you have had Cumin too because it is one of the recipes for Curry powder.

Show me any evidence from the Bible where a fisherman/tent maker/carpenter paid tithe, stop deluding yourself by following these p*i*m*p*s on the pulpits, they are duping you for sure, you can't buy God's love and protection, the best way to sow seeds is via good deeds, love for one's neighbors, helping the "helpless" even within one's own family, etc, not money as they make you believe.
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 12:52pm On Apr 19, 2010
valchris10:
Hmm! Holiest and righteous judges who are nt guity of any sin and have received  d divine responsibility of condeming n judging those for whom christ died. Kudos from "heaven". I hav a qst 4 u. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own master he falls or stands, yea and God is able 2 make him stand. More so, i believe that d joblessness n economic crunch is realy taking a pathetic taul ön you So i suggest that u stick your hungry dumb n numb brain in søme other begarly activity outside Gods' b4 your forward untold damnation 4 touching Gods' anointèd. I Apologise  if i was a litle rude, actually tryin 2 tell 2 stalk your poor tails between your feeble malnourished bønes n  get lost before u appear late. O.k.,
With so many Churches in Nigeria, little wonder lots of folks are jobless as you claim, a lean freedom is still much better than a fat slavery (remember Vatsa, you might be too young to)
Christian jnr. You started well but went off the highway on the wrong exit, and you're supposed to be a Christian huh undecided You guys are like entertainers with the IQ of an average rodent.
Christianity EtcRe: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by ogajim(m): 1:39pm On Apr 17, 2010
Snowwy might be one of the regular "combatants" who morphed into another alias with this acrobatics that has no Scriptural base, his/her antics amount to Ecclisiastical nonsense at best.

KunleOshob:
@snowwy
I decided to post the hebrew passge i mentioned which makes it clear that tithing is not meant for christians.

Hebrews 7:5-19:

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Hope you noticed the correlation between verse 5 and verse 18, it is the same "commandment" mentioned in verse 5 that was anulled in verse 18, but your pastor wouldn't show you these parts of the bible becos of their love for filthy lucre.
Snowwy must not have heard the fact that we are all Priests now- royal priesthood and only have one High Priest-Jesus Christ, everyone else is at best an "elder"

Methinks snowwy might be a pastor or under the influence of some heave dose of "zombism", my God doesn't live in man made Temples snowwy but in ME as a believer and doer of his WORK.
Christianity EtcRe: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by ogajim(m): 4:23pm On Apr 15, 2010
Snowwy Dude!

What you fail to understand is that God MANDATES Christians to help those around us Christian or not, I am not coming from the perspective of how it is spent, I am of the opinion it is not required, mandated or even encouraged. Can you count how many time Jesus Christ reiterated the need for us to love one another, honor thy father and thy mother, mercy, forgiveness, etc? Yet he only happened to mention tithe once in passing and you guys latch on to it?

The only motivation "Churches" have for preaching it is GREED, they have built this "magnificent edifice" and now need to tax their members to maintain and support operations when our Lord and savior DOESN'T live in Temples built with human hands.

Acts 7:48-49 (King James Version)

48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

49Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Why was Stephen martyred?
Christianity EtcRe: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by ogajim(m): 1:33pm On Apr 15, 2010
Snowwy, DUDE!

The malachi 3 that's been used over and over to fleece the flock has been reviewed thoroughly here on NL and found to be a fraudulent application in most of today's Churches as it was specifically directed at the Levites who took care of everything from Temple maintenance to administration for the Israelites.
When Malachi don't do the job, you guys retort to Abram's tithe to Melchizedek, etc enough already. God doesn't live in MAN MADE TEMPLES (remember that dude!)

The law was still in effect when Jesus made the comments in Matthew 23:23 and I wonder why you continue with it after he already fulfilled the LAW.

It is no biggy for me if I was to pay, today is tax day and I would have had it back by now if that was the case but I prefer to give in ways that don't necessarily involve me getting a tax break, the kind you can't itemize and deduct from your taxes and is not programmed. That style is in conflict with the prosperity mongers and the wofers however.

We are required to serve God in spirit and in truth not follow what your "mog" said:

Luke 10:21 (King James Version)

21In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Christianity EtcRe: You Are Not A True Christian If You : by ogajim(op): 12:31pm On Apr 15, 2010
^^ I couldn't agree more, we can't just be following any Church or doctrine blindly because people no matter what we think of them are people at the end of the day. We are required to "test every spirit"
Christianity EtcRe: Sinners In Christ Embassy,steal Millions Of Naira In Church’s Bank by ogajim(m): 12:27pm On Apr 15, 2010
These guys are like terrorists, they seem to have cells everywhere, this one might disappear and reinvent him/herself as another NL subscriber. They must be feeling the heat as they're sending more and more "agents" to NL to debunk what real Christians think of their cult. Not surprising at all, we have to follow the steps laid out in Ephesians 6:10-18.

Shalom.
Christianity EtcRe: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by ogajim(m): 12:17pm On Apr 15, 2010
Snowwy probably ain't got no job to be twisting the Scriptures the way she seems to on this thread, Are you a Levite Snowwy? What has Malachi 3 (Gospel p*i*m*p*s love this Chapter) got to do with today's Christian? When Jesus was admonishing the Pharisees for not leaving one undone, has he been crucified then? Jesus paid our debt on the cross, there are thousands of ways to help one another and tithe is not one of them, how come Jesus didn't mention tithes in Matthew 25? Did you see " I was broke, you gave me tithe"? You can't bribe your way into heaven my dear, study your Bible a little more, there seem to be lots you don't understand yet.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Adeboye Is The 2nd Most Respected Man Of God by ogajim(m): 12:05pm On Apr 15, 2010
Something to be said about seeking all these Worldly accolades, if it quacks like a duck, it's got to be a duck. cool
Christianity EtcRe: Symbolism,Satanism,Illuminati,and Mind Control in Music by ogajim(m): 2:25am On Apr 15, 2010
babaearly, you're not going to be able to win this astrologer over but at least you have tried,

Some folks will never understand some of these things HAVE MEANINGS ( as Bob Marley sang), some are more PLAIN about their allegiance than others.

"Zodiac", It is possible and happens times over to hide secret messages and codes in front pages of newspapers or even inside of it, ever heard of ciphers? Yes there can be "a message within a message", you seem to be the one who should get out of their comfort zone (mental or otherwise) more often it seems, cool cool cool cool

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