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I think Agathamari has the US confused with Australia, Seeking religious freedom yes but penal colony? Hell to the NO, read your US history reference again madam.

Some "Pastors" will use any means necessary to get money from gullible folks, LOL@generational curse preventing family from traveling , which generation be dat?

Joagbaje:
I did not get your questionn well. and Please the name is joagbaje, not "pastor"

My question was:


Can the guy who created NL be classified a giver based on this alone considering the kind of impact he has made with this site and the millions of people who have benefited from it one way or another?

My point has been that giving can not be regulated, it must come from the HEART (from the abundance of which speaket the mouth), there is no requirement to give a percentage ( I have not seen it if it exists)

We are God's property and then somehow, he needs a share from what's his? The lack of sufficient offerings and other forms of giving is not enough reason to twist the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ for financial gains.

Everyone knows his incosistencies, He will just do anything at all cost just to win argument. Make yeye of churches and pastors in view of umbelievers that we are labouring to save for christ .


Talo je beyen?


Abeg make we hear word jare, no one is making yeye of "Churches" but the scams that comes out of those so called Churches.

Next time Pastor, make use of the spell check provided on NL,

Quick question: Does the guy who own this site "Give" in the Christian way? I mean he created this forum for us to hash out a whole lot of stuff concerning Nigeria, I'll wait for your answer, Feds are closed no work today

Omase oooooo!

Kunle, Zikkyl:

You can't get anywhere with these guys, we ought to keep them in our prayers though.

A Christian is supposed to keep Babylonian tradition? There must be something I am missing here if tithe originated from that empire and we still practice is while calling our selves saved by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Giving is a Christian requirement and the mode of giving seems to be the point of contention, the dude that posted that stuff about the woman who couldn't sell her ware because she stopped paying tithe ought to be in line for a Nobel prize because he sounded like Pastor "Joe" or is a tithe recipient. God is not a politician to engage in quid pro quo

The only value money has is the one we ascribe to it and people have been know to want to do anything to get their hands on this filthy piece of paper, make one wonder.

The back-and-forth wasn't worth it, was it? Did I not warn you in other threads about such? I just keep my fingers crossed that if you guys would ever find the grace to discuss, you would do so and eschew the unnecessary distractions of sly accusations - that never helps, and I don't want to often make you sorry for such banters. Cheers.

You've got to be sore now from patting your self on the back, " I could be well move if I were as you, if I could pray to move, prayers would move me but I am as constant as the northern star of whose true fixed and resting quality, "

You remind me of high school dude, Literature class to be precise hence the Shakespeare quote.

I don't have to prove nothing.

Viaro of course knows where I worship, na wa for waec ooooo


All knowing viaro

pele o mabinu sha!

Ezeagu, go and read your things fall apart and leave us to discuss the strength of the Bini empire,

Isidahomen, the warrior , make I let una talk first

What's the meaning of Eko in Yoruba language?

Hehehe. . I guess you're one of those 'fair-weather' Christians, no? Grin

Here you go again jumping to conclusions, but let me "educate" you a little bit here, I have been the last two bad weather Sundays and probably would have gone too today if I didn't have so much to dig and could not make their time but that should not be the focus here, Others are FREE to do what they want with what they have, happy now?

I don't follow follow on anything and I am BLESSED (every way you look at it) as Chinua Achebe put it in things fall apart, "the sun sill shine on those who stand before it shines on those who kneel under them.

To each his own, the reference to diaper in my last post was not a name calling routine but rather an age thing, hope this clears it for you.

Go COLTS!

Thank you viaro for showing true "meekness" in your posts and rebuttals,

My faith and relationship with God is mine alone to deal with as each one of us will have to "work out his/her own Salvation with fear and trembling", how I give is my business but I will not fail to warn others of the folly of structured giving at any given opportunity no matter what the "Pastors" among us and their "Protocol/security" agents on NL think and post.

I REPEAT my earlier submission that the only Christian activity found in a building is the fellowship with fellow believers and not a place to be blessed because you will be blessed even if you are in your house fellowship and follow Christ with all your heart and might, The fact that I still fellowship in a "Church" don't mean I become indoctrinated to the point of no return, I've been at this for a "minute" now and won't be surprised if viaro was still in diapers when I first set foot in a Pentecostal Church, "test every spirit"

PS: with the weather being the way it is here now, below freezing, everything closed, trust our Nigerian Churches who decided to open "later", I wonder why that is

These guys will dance and dance with full honors papa and yet refuse to answer the basic questions,

Abram ( later named Abraham after his covenant with God) paid a tithe that was more "Customary" than anything else ( much like the one practiced by some African tribes-send your first salary to the family or what have you,

We never saw Abraham pay ANOTHER one until his grand son Jacob mentioned it in a conditional sense.

A Christian needs to make up his/her mind on how they want to GIVE and must also pray about it for direction rather than follow the "Pastor's" cookie cutter solution of 10%, These guys remind me of the great K.O Mbadiwe ( institutional caterpillar, political Juggernaut, Ambassador extra ordinary and plenipotentiary, etc) who was noted for flowery speeches with little substance.

It is more blessed to give than to receive did not say "to a church, mog, etc"

This guy asked about his rent or tithe and we have turned it into the beaten path of "to be or not to be"

May God help us all as we worship to him in truth and in faith, Shalom.

you guys are funny!


eyes = elolo/elo right?
door= ekhu in Esan

Andre, you don't know history if you are using numbers as a measure of strength,

The Edo/Bini/Ile Ibinu/Ubini kingdom is unrivaled in Nigerian history, even Queen Idia took the invaders down so as not to put her son Oba Esigie in harms way, what is East of Ife?

Just because "Oduduwa" sent one of his sons (who didn't speak until uttering 'owomika' (Eweka, Benin translated) back to Benin doesn't mean the Yorubas founded Benin.

A lot of people need to take Nigerian history again because they seem to have forgotten lots, more to come for sure

40 million Yorubas huh? Dipo Diya has how many wives?, MKO had how many?

The evidence supplied by OP kind of paints his "Pastor" as a hustler, that being the case, he is better off paying his rent since that kind of pastor would probably tell him to pray if he faced eviction after paying tithe ( if that was the case)

Most Nigerian and American "Churches" are guilty of this false preaching and I would love to see the number of tithers that actually pay it out of knowledge as opposed to paying out of coercion, guilt, shame, etc.

I see attempts to educate the masses that tithe is not mandatory as a public/Christian service and not to box those who pay into a corner of condemnation, the argument that folks hold on tight to their wallets and as such, the Pastor needs "creative" ways to generate Church revenue as lame at best.

Matt.5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

PS: I blame this blizzard for not adding more to this

Dodgur,


No worries, I respect your position.

Thank you dodgur?

You must be confused if you are equating a discussion about fake "tongue speaking" with assault on the Holy Spirit, please don't insult my intelligence as you don't even have a background on me let alone how long I've seen these stuff.

I've been around for a minute dude and I would never blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, you might want to turn your attention to those who are diluting the pool for the few that actually speak in tongues.

I am not a comedian and have no need to be funny.

"pastor", Are you saying that the prospect of Eternal life is not worth "sowing" for but that we should be blessed here on Earth too?

Is it me or does "bobby" sound too much like "tonye-tithe"?

Do name your "denomination" so maybe some of us can check you out!

Where in Jamaica are you or is your location a "scam"?

^^^ Mr. Adegbu:

Those Scriptures you quoted were not written with some Nigerian and American "Pastors" in mind!

I guess they see NL as another fertile ground to "sow" now, God help us all.

Suicide is an EASY PUNK way out, pure and simple.

It's quite obvious now that these guys are in it for the money, I don't see how "shaming" someone into any form of giving helps that giver in the short or long term.

All these schemes are carefully designed to fleece the flock dry with fake doctrines and what have you, God help us all.


Shalom.

Odikwa very very RISKY oooooo, everything na money for these people.

Now this viaro "DUDE" is sounding more and more like  

You can't touch a nerve or sore spot with me at all because I have experience ignoring folks who have nothing useful to contribute to a given situation. The Haiti relief example remains that- an EXAMPLE but i guess you're too full or your own self to realize that. It was a QUESTION.

I have never been to Italy (if that's where you really are) and really have no intention of going there when I have OPTIONS to go elsewhere in the EU, UK, etc.

There is a certain Nigerian "ting" to what we discuss on here and no amount of digital "fish wrap" experience can give you the whole picture, out of sight is not out of mind for most of us so even if I don't reside in Nigeria at the moment, I can't escape being a Nigerian even if I wanted to.

I refuse to stoop too low to be calling you names, I have standards below which I don't operate.

Fela's ODOO comes to mind as another reference going going forward

Viaro dude, slow your roll. You are beginning to sound like some of these money mongers fleecing the flock bling in the name of our Lord.

You don't know me enough to make these sophomoric assumptions but you sure are entitled to your opinion no matter how idiotic, no wonder some folks thought you were someone else who used to frequent here but has somehow disappeared but I couldn't care less even if you admitted you were.

If it quacks like a duck, it certainly will be a duck, food for thought! You are on the NEED TO KNOW basis and I don't see a need to elevate your privileges to let you into what I do or how I live my Christian life, (let's just hope you're not "pastoring" those ashawo girls in Italy and trying to justify what they do )

I am practical enough to know how and when I should give and to whom, are you trying to tell me that just because some folks now don't want to give to the Haiti relief through the Red Cross means they are too stingy to give? think about that for a minute because you continue your unholy rant. This is a Nigerian FORUM last time I checked, ( coffin for head of state might make a good reference for you)

May God forgive us all!
Shalom.

GBAM

I couldn't agree more my brother.

ilosiwaju:
Much ado about nothing. Speaking in tongues ko, rapping in tooth ni.

You guys want to kill someone with laughter!

Why is it that those " speaking in tongues" seem to repeat basically the same verbiage week in week out? but yet their "interpretation" is different each time? Folks like to wow others with their "dexterity" in religious matters hence the fake tongue speak or better yet, as a way to be "accepted" into the scamming fold (if you ask me)

Freewill offering and giving is fundamental to our faith, we tend to differ on what form and to some extent to whom.

We have clear instructions from Jesus Christ and not some Pastor/GO/DSP/ASP , Christians are supposed to follow his example unless there's something I am missing here.

Matthew 25 :

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

I don't know what obtains in your neck of the woods but I have seen enough to hold the views I currently do and does not HATE anyone for holding something different. Christianity (to me)is not about making deals, it is more about following the footsteps of our Lord Jesus Christ and aspire to be perfect. My first visit to a Pentecostal church happened a long time ago, ich bin keine kinder

Are we talking about Nigeria here?

There is an old Yoruba saying " until the rotten tooth is pulled away, the mouth must chew with caution",  I pray for forgiveness if any of my posts came off as conceited, not my idea or intention.

Every Christian is required to "work out his/her own Salvation with fear and trembling", I am not in any form of bondage and never will but folks can come up with such assumptions if it suits them after all, it's a free Country.

I don't lay claim to any " Uber alles" vision on Christianity so my 2 cents is always free.


We can EXEMPLIFY our Lord Jesus Christ in the way we LIVE and interact with others more than any form of giving because there are folks that have enough self respect not to take/receive from some folks no matter their level of need if the vibe they see/perceive is not the kind they're comfortable with. There is a HUGE need for unity in the house of God but we also have to make sure it is not the kind of Worldly negotiated unity.

I know we got to save the Planet and all but must we continue this endless recycle of ideas?

I happen to believe that money is the least in the scheme of things when the issue of "seed sowing" comes up. Saying that one has to "sow a lot of seed money in order to reap bountifully, " is PLAIN WRONG in my book! This is another attempt in my view to bring Christians to blows over money, I don't buy it!

Anyone is also free to follow the way they think brings blessing, I will follow Christ in the ways that has worked for me and really don't need to be bothered by how other folks want to interpret the Word to suit their game.

How can I be a friend of Christ who paid the ultimate price for our sakes and be a slave to a man? NO WAY Jose!