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A CROOK is a CROOK as far as we know,they operate at all LEVELS!

Yeswecan, you must be from Uromi (the Enugu) of Edo state.

You mentioned a couple of roads but left out the ALL IMPORTANT Benin/Ore/Lagos express,

Oshiomole as the Executive Governor has a DUTY to maintain security in the state with or without Anini (oops), you guys need to stop this idol worshiping.

This foreign minister dude sounds like an IDIOT defending a FAILED regime, he made himself look like an idiot too while doing so, only tribalists will defend this village champ.

These tithe/prosperity P*I*M*P*S can only deceive the KIDS but their day will come for sure.

If you believe you have to tithe, go ahead it's your money but don't tell me it is a Christian requirement. Some of us give offerings where we fellowship, help folks in need that happen to be in our midst, do some work in the place we fellowship (no need to go into billing rate here), treat others with LOVE, etc and feel GOOD about it.

To say that there are "blessings" attached to giving 10% to your "Church", "MOG", "Pastor", etc is HERESY and those who ask/beg for it are THIEVES/Wolves in sheep's clothing.

"Prosperity" has nothing to do with MONEY, most of us make enough of that and want other kinds of prosperity which have more VALUE.


I am done with this gymnastics from Agbaje and tonye-tithe because they are either ROBOTS or "MOGs " (say it ain't so) but I will leave you with this:

Proverbs 23:4-5 (King James Version)

4Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom.

5Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven.

Proverbs 23:4-5 (Amplified Bible)

4Weary not yourself to be rich; cease from your own [human] wisdom.(A)

5Will you set your eyes upon wealth, when [suddenly] it is gone? For riches certainly make themselves wings, like an eagle that flies toward the heavens.

GREED will "kill" some people!

LOL


A mind is a terrible thing to waste indeed!

As the Alaba market guys used to say; How's "business" Agbaje and tonye-tithe? how "market"?


God is no respecter of "GO", "Pastor", "MOG", etc, What stops you all from getting real jobs?

omase ooooooo

I pray you both will not be deluded again!

*How i wish i could get the whole day here to field questions from napkin-Xtians safe for my time consuming job*


Dude, I pray you get out of your own DELUSION pretty soon


You have FAILED far too many times in your OWN thread to answer simple questions directed at you and have the nerve to call others deluded for simply challenging your heresy.

Freewill offering is what the Apostles taught, if Jesus Christ meant for them to preach tithe like the thieving pastors preach today, he would have simply selected all of them from the house of Levi. Christ himself preached LOVE ABOVE everything else, show me a passage from the Bible where Jesus Christ said ", when I was broke, you never supported my ministry with tithes, "


You guys ought to be ASHAMED of this highway robbery while ARMED with the Bible scheme.

Joagbaje:

1 Cor. 9:13-14
    Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? [14] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

What was Paul refering to here  using the priest as exaple ?

Malachi 3:10
    Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Joe, Answer these questions:

Where is the Christian Temple today?

Why is there for another priest when we have the HIGH PRIEST and Christians are in the Royal Priesthood?

Was Malachi speaking to Gentiles?

Had Jesus Christ come when Malachi spoke the verse you guys love to quote?


Shalom!

Joagbaje:
Even though if the gentile  were never under the law of Moses, Tithing was part of Abrahamic covenant. We are seed of Abraham . Law or no law is insignificant.
Worship of God came before the law , should we stop worship because we are not under law.
why is it the giving part either of offering or tithe that is paining you guys.


Paul was not a Pastor over a local Church . He would not recieve tithes from them. People give tithes in the local assembly where they receive the word of God. They had pastors in these local churches that recieves the tithes , The local churches send money and gifts to Paul.

Creative ways of making money? get a real job dude and stop misleading innocent folks.  

Your boy tonye-tithe called those who won't fall for the scam "greedy", go figure, Never be too hasty to use the built-in spell check!


Shalom

Tonye-tithe, get a real job dude and your student Agbaje too!

You flat out lied in this thread about Caesar being the poor, widows and orphans and now telling me to hush because you can't defend the heresy?

You are your kind should be glad we are under HIS GRACE or else God would have delivered a very dirty slap (30 slaps to run concurrently as Zebrudaya used to put it) to all the "liar liar pants on fire" P*I*M*P*S out there masquerading as pastors. You are done and we might as well stick a fork in you.

realpastor:
it seems you people dont want pastors to eat again.

Dude, if the offerings aren't enough to pay the "Pastor" and still handle other bills, "Pastor" probably need to get a side gig rather than twist the Scriptures for financial gain (Condemnation awaits those who fall in the bracket)

Tonye-tithe P*I*M*P

You never answered how Caesar became the poor or how spices became MONEY and in the absence of any ancient scroll to back you up, you need a vow of silence mister tithe and GET A REAL JOB. Your robot Agbaje was here shooting jumpers and missing badly and here you are again on 4th and LONG.

Annunaki:
Tonye sharap, I have wasted my time going thru dis useless thread and I am yet to see one single scripture that says christians should tithe, if anything at all based on what I have read on dis thread I am now more convinced than ever b4 that tithing is not a true christian teaching. There was even a scripture someone post from hebrews 7 which anulled the tithing practise. It is now so glaring that preachers are trying to force it on christians cos of their greed and most people don't study the scriptures to know the truth.

GBAM!!!!

These guys appear to be from another planet entirely, trained by Creflo and the other guys to seek the innocent out and fleece them in the name of our Lord, on that great day, una go HEAR WIEN!

Our God is not MOCKED, prosperity is WAY more than money, money is the least in terms of God's PROMISE but these P*I*M*P*S want to be paid

Zikky bro, private jets are not "technology" but OPULENCE! NO "church" is a million miles close to the Catholic church in terms of wealth but do you see the Pope with a private jet?

Opening Churches like Burger King or Starbucks is purely to make money, let's call a spade a spade. Have any of them opened a branch in the Arab world or China?

selencious:
Only God Almighty knows when the end will come. But, there are signs given to us men to know when the end is near. Anyways, it's good and advisable to repent now. Because, even if the end is not here, your end might be near;I mean, you might die sooner than you know. So, everyone should stay away from sin and live a holy life. Im tryna live a holy life; It is kinda hard though, i mean not to lie, especially. But the other sins like murder, fornication, etc, I can stay away from. I always ask for the mercy of God. Because, Jesus said it is only through His mercy that we can be saved. Even you the poster, you must always ask for the mercy of God. Peace out

Nothing more to add to this, 4 Crabcakes! Only MD could produce that, let ATL, Houston or NY beat that

Why worry about the end when you don't know your own end? No one knows hence Jesus described the coming like a thief in the night, Each one of us would need to "work out his/her Salvation with fear and trembling"

From your response ,That could only mean one thing. You dont speak in Tongues and that means youve not yet recieve the holyghost and that gives me understanding why you may not understand the bible so well and also have understanding of spiritual things.

I can tell from your response that you might be one of those who equate being born again with speaking in tongues


"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance (Acts 2)

Now you tell me what prompts most of those "tongue speaking" we get to see so often because it is different from what the Bible tells us in the highlighted portion.
While you're at it, you might as well explain to us why Jesus Christ our redeemer, Savior, High Priest gave us "The Lord's prayer" instead of something more 'dramatic'.

I know we're getting off "topic" here but you get my drift I am sure.

Shalom.

The simple issue is if you tithe you reap the benefit of tithing
If you speak in tongues you reap the benefit of it
if you pray , you reap the benefit of praying. etc
And if you dont tithe you miss out of it benefit.  its not by force


I don't even think we will get anywhere with you just like your "boy" Tonye-tithe or tithed Tony!

I don't believe there is any benefit to paying a % to your MOG in the name of God but if you do, it's your money and I can't tell you what to do with it.

It is REQUIRED for a Christian to have the power/will/chutzpa to discern instead of echoing whatever your MOG "teaches" or become total "ditto heads" : "speaking in tongues" ('language of hell' to some folks) is another scam some of these guys peddle and twist to their advantage despite the Bible being very clear on this.

1Cor. 14:26-31 || tongue speaking study

Love:

1 Thess. 4:6
1 John4:7-21


We must be careful when it comes to God.

Are you saying i must tithe to receive certain blessings? Are you saying i am not financially secured if i dont tithe. How did you arrive at this conclusion Mr. Joagaje? Are you saying there are no financially secured non-tithers on the globe? I need to understand this better, educate me please.


Joe, please let us know which Church Bill Gates and Warren Buffet pay their tithe to as well. These are pathetic losers masquerading as preachers because of gullible folks they can defraud.

Stealing while holding a gun, constitution or the Bible is STEALING.

Joagbaje:
As long as there is highpriest there would be priests. Is is relative and simple grammar. There are illustrations under the law that reveals Gods principles. the bible may be silent on the priests that worked with Melchizedech bt it is simple comon sense to know that what make a man highpriest is because there are lower priests with him.The structure was documented clearly under levitical priesthood.

God under the law gave moses a structure of Terbanacle but if you read revelation you realise it is thesame structiure the temple in heaven has.

There are things under the law that reveals God fundermental principles  and Christ didnt take such away. So as he chose the priest as MINISTRY GIFTS so also as he chosen pators prophets etc as MINISTRY GIFTS. to funtion as priests .

Dude, you need to Study Revelation again and when you do, you could gain enough knowledge to kick this habit.


The same way there is a grace attached to tithing He will rebuke devourer : Are you kidding me?

Please don't compare God's grace to a Mechanic that you have to pay for services rendered. Obviously, you need some "work" before you start traveling to Greece with Tonye-tithe and digging up scrolls to justify this scam. You remind me of my two year old, ECHO

ogajim:
Ola

Is there a problem with the water in the UK? what do you understand by Jesus paying our DEBT?

No answer?

Blackbella,


You're hanging with the wrong crowd I must say, most of us want to change into African attire as soon as we land. Empty vessels make the most noise they say, why would someone sponging off a woman want to act big anywhere?

Ola

Is there a problem with the water in the UK? what do you understand by Jesus paying our DEBT?

KunleOshob:
@Tonye-twister
Who is greedy? Is it us who are not falling for a scam or pastors like you deliberately twisting scripture to fleece the flock of a tenth of their income on a regular basis.

My brother, expect him to evade that question like he's done with most of questions regarding their unholy scam. Truth should not scare a Christian, Jesus Christ brought LIFE and LIGHT and PAID for our sins in FULL.

The person who is using WRONG doctrines to fleece the flock is not "greedy" but the ones who know enough not to be deceived are "greedy"? This must be some Greek, Aramaic or ancient LOGIC

Help the poor, widows, orphans, strangers, family members, etc around you instead of this "sowing to reap" Ecclesiastical nonsense.

Joe,

A real Christian ought to have the anointment of God upon him/her and if not, something is wrong. God's anointment is not reserved only for the so called MOGs.

I have to close my eyes when I see some of those "altars" , they don't represent GOD AT ALL.

"He who have ears, let him hear", we Server God through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, serve no man. Our father is in Heaven and not in Nigeria, USA, UK or any other place.

Tonye-tithe, were you at any time ever a member of the Nigerian gymnastics team?

Sebi Kunle asked you how Moses got the LAW?

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg5307559#msg5307559 date=1263397415]Just the write scripture i was desperately searching my bible to butress. Men are you too much. Thanks[/quote]What LAW or part thereof that wasn't FULFILLED with Jesus Christ's sacrifice for US on the Cross?

Some of these guys are of the position HE came only for the parts of the LAW that didn't concern MONEY (The love of which is the beginning of all evil)

Biko nwane, give us an answer!

Na God go save us from these kinds of preachers ooooooo

You guys are both entertaining but this is a serious matter:


Hebrews 7:15-25 (King James Version)

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


There is no LAW that is above Jesus Christ, step away from the P*I*M*P juice.

Excuse me for thinking this tonye-tithe dude was a real man!

Now he has to be a comic too? I am sorry to disappoint you, Chris Rock you're not.

Joagbaje:
He asked simple questions that you all avoided

Baby tonye-tithe, put a sock in it while the elders discuss

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg5304913#msg5304913 date=1263372918]hmmm KunleOshob, is that so, so what happened to the tithing Abraham gave, was it part of the law. you really seem too desperate and thus confused with your misinterpretations.

I'll leave this for others here to judge accordingly

Matt.23:23 - "[color=#006600]woe to you pharisees and teachers of the law, for you give tenth of your spices according to the law"[/color]

Pls i beckon of fellow NLs to judge this grammar without biases, did Jesus call Tithe law here. because in my own little understanding, it means He was rebuking them of religiously giving their TITHE simply according to the provisions of the law, that still doesnt mean TITHING was a LAW. NA WA OH. kunleOshob you really need help .

The law was a written document that simply provided how the ancient custom was to be practised by the nation of Israel. Because the mode of tithing in Abraham's time was different from that of the nation of Israel.

Abraham gave a tenth of ALL, the nation of Israel gave a tenth of their land produce. Meaning if we were to follow the original tithing then we should give tithe of EVERYTHING, but if we were to follow the Israelites mode, then we were to only give Farm produce.

Kunle, Jesus said "they gave TITHE according to the LAW, he did not say "they gave TITHE which was a LAW"

You are too desperate and its so glaring!

Pls lets not handle this topic as if we want to win any warfare lest we might lose out from the essence of learning. [/quote]With all tonye-tithe's Greek, Aramaic, Yiddish, Hebrew language skills, he still can't find that JESUS FULFILLED the LAW

ful·fill also ful·fil (fl-fl)
tr.v. ful·filled, ful·fill·ing, ful·fills also ful·fils
1. To bring into actuality; effect: fulfilled their promises.
2. To carry out (an order, for example).
3. To measure up to; satisfy. See Synonyms at perform, satisfy.
4. To bring to an end; complete.

I asked this question in another tithe thread and non of them could provide a simple answer so I ask them again while Tonye is still in Greece: Is a German Christian (who has to pay an average of 9% of his income tax automatically deducted as tithe) still has to pay 10% to a "Church", MOG, Pastor?

No wonder this is the only kind of business that grows in Nigeria apart from politics these days.


God help us all and save each and every one of his Children from these PIMPS, Amen.

Joagbaje:
You guys just talk like children , the bible says be slow to speak be quick to hear. You're dull of hearing but hasty to talk.I said I'm only with my iPhone which means I can't copy verses of scriptures or acess my bibles as I would with my tablet Pc or laptop . To be of a hasty spirit is character of critics!

Slow your roll dude, we are patient and can wait for when you return to your base to WOW us with more Scriptural verses to buttress the "unholy scam" of "compulsory tithe" after all, your fellow traveler Tonye-t is in Greece ( I hope) digging up ancient but unjustified scrolls that support his view.

Maybe you should also think about buying the Bible app for iphone while you're waiting

MAYOWAAK:
MAY I REMIND YOU THAT SOME OF THESE ANOINTING OIL"S" WERE PRODUCED IN ASIAN COUNTRIES WHERE THEY PRACTICE HINDUISM,BUDHISM,CONFUCIANISM,SHINTO, E.T.C

knowing that we have a divine injunction not to touch God's anointed and prophets {psalm 105:15}. He that has an ear to hear

NA WA FOR THIS SPIRITUAL IMMUNITY

You see his head? no mind these folks who've been totally indoctrinated to the point of almost robot status,

KunleOshob:
@Poster
What is spiritual about this post that you had to label it as spiritual? Is it becos of all the top pentecostal merchants that were present at the ceremony?

Oyami lenu

[quote author=eNKe! link=topic=380030.msg5301843#msg5301843 date=1263322904]WHy r u all pissed if u aint all guilty@!?
Nigerians abroad have a lot more to offer Nigeria than they already do. Why dont u stop sending money home so we can completely write you all off as non-existent? I would expect that the job of a nigerian who is greater exposed (maybe in power generation or anything else) would be to come home and help ease the pains a lot more nigerians are going through![/quote]These "aje butter" children na wa ooooo

OP is obviously too inexperienced to understand any of these, you just don't get it and probably never will.



Guilty because I sought and found a better life without a corrupt daddy/uncle/big bro to help out? You got to be kidding me! Most of us just feel bad for those who are there because even when you drive out of your "mansions", where is the road? Little wonder that some stole money instead of fixing roads and then die in an accident on the same road. pele nike , lol

Joagbaje:
@kunleOshob
I'm on a trip I'm only using my iPhone to type , I hope to help you out in few days when I get back . You need to know the dept of your error. It is not a tithe issue. You don't descern the body. Spiritual blindnesscis happened to you. That is why you can attack the body of christ so viciously and call men of God thieves , crooks etc. Even Archbishop benson idahosa!

Just because someone has a title to their name means they represent Christ? Last time I checked, Iphone (even 1st gen. with firmware upgrade) does automatic spell check too.

We will keep you and your ilk in our prayers, that's the best we can do until you guys find the truth. Our God can not be deceived, NO WAY Jose!