₦airaland Forum

pafun:
Do recognise that I said that particular job was the last I did in UK. I had before this lived and worked in that country for almost five years and I know all tat is needed to be known about the citizens. It is not a bit like America believe me.

Like I posted earlier, I can't really speak for the UK despite regular visits but there are some things one can notice/see randomly to make you think how we can get so low in a foreign land.

Stereotypical attitudes are everywhere even here in the US but it is the level that catches folks' attention from time to time and place to place. I have friends that moved back after being hired by Nigerian companies and enjoy being there and contributing, we can't all be doing the same thing is my point. No matter what we do, we must never forget where we came from.

Well said vivaladiva, some of these folks just don't get it. Conning a poor person to give up his/her last last dime in the name of "sowing" is plan wrong if not sinful. They want to believe what they're being fed about " time to sow and time to harvest".

Matthew 16:26

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

OP: One of the fundamental requirements of an immigrant is the ability to assimilate because it is wrong to expect your hosts to adapt to you instead of you adapting to their culture or way of life, that explains some of the issues you had with them. You are back in Nigeria now and doing well so no need for any lecture.

timaus: One of the benefits of a civilized (and even some uncivilized) cultures is the choice that's available to all, everyone can't be farmers or business men. With two Masters degrees you should know that some of have entrepreneurial impulses while others have technocratic impulses (Some folks sadly have neither) but I think you get my drift.

If there are Nigerians like that here, I haven't seen and maybe I do need to get out more but this place is not conducive for that, the women won't take it for one.

I don't know what to say, I visit UK and "see some things that makes me go hhhhmmmmm"

Some of those guys are really living off their wives and might be lazy to some extent because 2 years of no employment is enough to train for a whole new career.

There is some truth to both sides is my two cents (free) on this.

Bearshare:
would you be kind to read this, circumcision still exists but in a different form, burnt offering still exist but in a different form as well as tithing

The highlighted word was smuggled in there by you Mr. beashare (one of my spellcheck options want to call you 'timeshare' )because I don't see burnt on Kunle's response. Circumcision exists today not as a requirement but as accepted practice and not for Justification which doesn't make those who refuse to do so condemned. Do you "worship" in the Temple in Jerusalem still? What does Jesus Christ dying on the Cross do for you? why do you not follow the Jews and maintain the Sabbath?

How can you dispute something you have no knowledge of? Didn't Oduduwa come from the eastern forest?

GODSON, OP provided a link to dawodu web page for all to check out apart from the oral history a lot of us are familiar with, being a lawyer (correct me if I am wrong), you are expected to present a rebuttal right?

Already then, lunchtime for me, have a safe trip home.

foyeks2001:
@snowdrops

u will need to go to cbn n collect money, sake of say
rubbish, i will not exchange words with u mr historian because your great grandfather made u guys to be so aggressive, while we yorubas are peace loving people
gudnite

LOL, peace loving ko peace loving ni, kiriji wars, agbekoya riots, Ondo riots, etc, are you a kid?

Dude! You have no walked in my shoes, I am old enough to know the expression as well but unless you know Adegbu "off camera" then I would think he meant what he said in the way he said it.

I don't think I accused him of "contributing to the delinquency" of the "bling-bling" preachers either but stating the obvious.

Nuella, Adegbu,


Anytime some of you folks hear or read the word "GIVE" does it put your mind immediately on overdrive? MONEY to me is one of the LEAST and simplest things to give in the scheme of things, money is NOT everything to me (I can only speak for me), it is very EASY to outsource your giving but Salvation is not about making the easy choices if you ask me.

There are lots of us who proclaim Christianity but yet never offered to help an elderly neighbor shovel their driveway or run errands for them in the midst of the snow storm we have, it might be easier to order them food but don't you think they too might want to go out? That's an example (Before some folks aim RPGs at me )

Sowing comes in many shapes and forms and not just "put your money where your mouth is"

MyJoe, I couldn't have said it any better than you did, God bless you bro.

All these happened when the country had no "leader", as Dele Giwa once wrote "one innocent life taken in cold blood equals a million lives lost in a pogrom, " and i remember the title of that column "death of a namesake" written when Mopol shot and killed Dele Udoh (US based)who came to represent Nigeria in a tournament in 1981, (the kids don't remember this)

When will Nigeria get her act together?

One thing you all need to know about EDO people is that they know their history to the last man. You need to come correct, Oduduwa sent his last son to Benin and he didn't talk until uttering "owomika" which Benin people translated to Eweka, check your history folks.

What else can one expect from an untrained, uncultured barbaric force? In real societies, this will spark an investigation and these criminals in uniform will be brought to book but Nigeria, come on now!

The only Oyakhilome I remember was a Police Commissioner, maybe I am too old.

Kunle, Zikky,


Haven't you noticed that JoAgbaje has moved on? He seems to be here on a "mission" because the very moment you start to expose him and his Church on any thread, they simply move on and create a new one.

Na God go save us from fake preachers ooooo.

Though for today: He gave His all for thee, what hast thou given Him?


MY HEART AND SOUL + LOVE FOR ALL HIS CHILDREN.

Anyone looking forward to 70 virgins must not have dealt with any woman before, don't you see the polygamists check out faster than men married to one wife? it's hard enough to juggle two women (for those so inclined) let alone 70, Education helps sometimes if you ask me!

70 virgins ko 70 Virginians(led by Gen. George Washington) ni.

OP is probably too young to remember that President Felix houphouet boigny built the biggest Basilica in the World -Basilica of Our Lady of Peace of Yamoussoukro, That too is in the Guinness book of records right?

OP not a reincarnation of (Emperor) Jean Bedel Bokassa I hope

Our God does not live in "Temples" built with human hands, he LIVES in you if you accept Jesus as you personal Lord and savior, hope this helps.

PS: Kunle has already dropped his dissertation like it's HOT!

LOL@ Kunle

"Can't we all just get along?", The accumulation is too much for snow angels

##Peeping in on another snow day

traugott, suit your self and I've got other stuff to think about now than worry if you're a scam or not, independent thinking is refreshing if you ask me, I don't keep pets and really don't know how that works.At the end of the day, if we are happy with our choices, fine because Salvation is an individual enterprise between God and man ", on the Judgment day, no partiality, "

=>  Maybe I'll make a snowman and name him viaro

Viaro bro, Let's refrain from calling a creation of God a "twerp", thank you.


TrauGott/trustGod, Never write God's name with a small g, for someone who came in this month, you sure seem to know a lot of NL history, I am wondering if you studied that in SS1 or Math class , To each his own, you should be able to MAN up and remain who you really are!

Mabell, at this stage of the game you are coming up with this? Come on now!

Viaro, my point (since you avoided it or didn't get it) with the Haitian relief question is this:

Since it is not compulsory that our donations to the Haitian relief efforts go through the Red Cross,  it can't be compulsory either that our Christian GIVING be through a Church or Pastor, you can see a need in someone or a group of people and try your best to fulfill it. Just because others don't share your principle of giving doesn't make them anti this or anti that, we need to learn to control our emotions no matter the situation. Insults are for elementary school or even pre K kids who are still learning the ropes.

Confidence doesn't always equal conceit, in one of your quoted responses where I wrote in German that I was no kid, you replied calling me a kid in German, do I follow that up? No way Jose.

It might help to get testimony from those who tithe knowingly but I do understand it is not a democracy in here

Olowo, you seem to be on your own here dude!

TrauGod, Your youth is showing but is not an offense, go deep young man and I could get you the ball.

, " Ema jeka gbagbe Jesu, ", Some folks around us need more than just money (which isn't everything unless one becomes GREEDY)

Remember not to "let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"


God bless.

Viaro, you're acting very much like Mugabe now


How could I have lied about the Red Cross question that you couldn't even comprehend? Let's do this again and see if your meds kick in enough for you to grasp the question, If someone decides to give to Haitian relief through a means other than the Red Cross, are they still giving to the cause?

Viaro can keep his/her brand of Christianity, name calling out of PMS induced frustration is not enough to make me lose my temper or operate below my usual standards, maybe the little Italian apartment is getting too claustrophobic? get out for some air dude(?)

You still don't get the Red Cross rhetorical question so just take a pass, I have passed beyond the insults stage, very elementary if you ask me.

Remember that nothing so quickly kills a man as the publicity he gives himself, there is nothing infallibly prophetic about pessimistic or cynical conjecture.

Blessings!

## Wondering when the NL parish/chapel of these Churches will be officially opened and folks not "ashamed" to NAME their denomination

mabell:
@ rich_john
Its a pity, may God have mercy on your soul, God will require your blood in the hands of the likes of the unstable Kunle Oshobi who takes delight in attacking the church of christ at the detriment of unsaved souls like yours,.

Mabell ( don't want to call you baby bell):

I was about to commend your post (the one before this outburst) before you moon walked back to your old self. We should refrain from judging others as it is not our JOB but God's.

TITHING IS A SCAM, yes I said it, now what?

I asked MR(?) viaro the other day, " will you call people who REFUSE to give to the Haiti relief fund through the Red cross stingy even if they have given via other means or can't give because of their situations?"


I got insults instead of a simple answer which I guess is his own brand of Christian meekness. Our Lord Jesus Christ told us to LOVE even those we perceive as enemies.

I wrote something the other day about some Nigerian Churches calling their members to Church despite the storm in this area (Feds are still shut by the way) and he went on to call me "fair weather Christian", another example of his meekness, I could go on but why?

Each of us can do what they please but at the end, we have to ANSWER to the Most High: Those of us (Kunle is the BOSS here) who want to spread the word about this new sale of indulgence should not be deterred by the name calling, intimidation, and other tactics they might come up with because stealing is stealing even those done in the name of the Lord.

The antics of a dude on PMS is not enough, if you're a QB and you see a Line backer like LT on your trail, you take a knee if you've got any sense, think about that for a minute omo iya (abi na iyawo?)

Joagbaje:
We cant expect anything less from a spiritual vagabond, and Hobo. Lets focus on the thread.

Proverbs 13:16
Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Christians now retort to name calling to emphasize their points? Where is "Can't we all get along" Rodney King when you need him?

Nice work Kunle as always, I am still looking for the NL Pulitzer committee because I want to nominate you for the good work you're doing,


I don't want to call you a slow reader Jo but what is too long to search for knowledge, understanding, information, etc? We are not being lazy now are we?

As Bob Marley once sang, " There's a natural mystic blowing through the air;
If you listen carefully now you will hear.
This could be the first trumpet, might as well be the last:
Many more will have to suffer,
Many more will have to die - don't ask me why, "

Shalom.

Weed is also called Igbo , LOL

Nuella2.0, LOL

You're being more defensive than a DB or a Linebacker for that matter, native doctors are beneath me, I am a FRIEND of Jesus Christ, what need do I have for a native doctor?

Nigerian Police, LOL , I didn't consider it 26 years ago and see no need to consider it now even if the position was that of IG, could join MPD if I wanted but that's not my thing.

I hope this answers your question "madame"


PS: It looks like a lot of Nigerian "Churches" have opened NL branch offices now, way to go NL


## Colts fans can stop crying now, "who dat" nation won it fair and square.

Joagbaje:
I have often asked myself if the owner of NL makes money from it, and if he doesnt I will like to contribute financially. Me as a giver dont like to enjoy things free. I use wikipedia and i used to think they make money from it until one day i saw the owner soliciting for donation. It touched me and i said  i have to send money to them" I was going to do a post to ask how naira land is funded. Nigerians like free things.

Life is giving and recieving, even the eco system of gases shows that. The purpose of every venture is contributing to life. NL is contributing to life, Taxi driver is contributing to life.

There is no twixting of scripures as regards tithing. If a man believes in it, you leave him alone so far as he is fulfiled and blessed by it. I am not approaching tithing as a pastor but as a Christian . Why will a pastor twist scripture on tithing for gains, 10% is too small. I give 30% apart from other things i give. Some are giving lands , houses, for gospel why will only 10% be a reason to twist scriptures.   If a man has gift of healing why would he be teaching on 10% when he could have said "if you need a baby ,bring 1million naira"  some will gladly pay 10 million to have a child or get rid of a life threatning cancer.  No pastor forces anybody, He teaches and he goes away.There is nothing like compolsory tithing . Everything is voluntary in the church , even prayer is not by force. So every one should work with their convictions as Paul said.

Romans 14:5
   One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

The greatest things in the World (Air, Sun, etc) are free and I don't blame any Nigerian for getting anything they could for free either. If Nigerians like free things as you stated, how come no one can get contract without the Customary 10%(Could that be called tithe paid to the owner?)? You as a Christian ought to refrain from generalization Jo.

NL owner has done more for Nigeria than those politicos, pastors, etc who parade themselves as "leaders of Nigeria" and everything is not about money dude.

Nuella2.0: Do you work for a Church/Pastor?