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@$Osisi: « #106 on: Yesterday at 06:54:42 PM »

ROFL
so the Koran was revealed in different dialects/versions/ways/types/methods/modalities/fashions/translations/methodologies
Una no go kill me
so allah dictated 7 different "dialects" to Mohammed?
why then do you tell people there is only one type of Koran.
what do you think versions mean?
I say una no go kill me with una lies

Igbo a language spoken by indigenous eastern Nigerians and maybe some western camerounians has many dialectic variants, simply by tongue based on villages, towns and cities. You are from Aba and my wife is from Owerri. Am sure both of you will have different ways of saying the same words, sounding slightly different by those who are experts in igbo language. If an Ijebu Ode person speaks ijebu language, it will be different from that of remo; Shagamu, Iperu and and others close by! While Ijebu ode people say Owo for money, the Iperu people will say Oyho. Do they mean the same thing? Yes. Is the difference based on accent? Yes. Is it based on other things and both do not agree on the other's accuracy in pronounciation? No!

@$Osisi: PLease read before you respond. It makes a better process of argument!

« #1 on: Today at 02:02:16 AM »
Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 60, p. 46; book 60

Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair:

I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: `Those of you who die and leave wives behind, without turning them out,' has been abrogated by an other Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said, "Leave it (where it is), O son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position."

Here 2 men argue over the contents of the Koran and the uthman won such that his edition which is the current Koran still has an alleged abrogated verse.What are these men doing writing the koran,I thought it was written by Mohammed at Allah's dictation.
hmm!

And when two people argue about an issue whereby they take completely opposite positions, one of them have to be right, as in this case, since there are only two options! If Uthman (RA) the leader of the community was arlready guaranteed Paradise, and one of the earlier companions (RA) took this position, with just a single man taking the opposite, seeing that what the speaker in this opposing position said was tantanimous to indicate that what you are arguing about is his position, the opposite of Uthman bin Affan (RA), why are you blind to argue about it anyway? Do you not see that if the verse of the stoning was revealed at all, it would have entered and remained in the Quran, the position of Uthman bin Affan, regardless of its harshness, abrogation of not? Osisi; you goofed big time, girl!

« #2 on: Today at 02:10:37 AM »
Bukhari: vol. 8, hadith 817, p. 539-540; book 82

Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male and female) who commits illegal sexual immorality ), and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, `By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah's Book,' and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed.

The above verse about stoning though revealed by Allah,is missing in the modern Koran.
So much for the unchanging Koran.

If a verse sould be mising from the Quran, if should be a verse that concerns Muhammad's personal veracity, eg about marrying the son of his former slave, former adopted son's ex wife, or about his turning away his face from the beleagerant blind man. This he should have hid, and not the alleged "verse of the stoning" which should have given him more power, if he was an oppressor! No, Osisi? You argue very blindly and I need to talk to your husband and equip him with many of the things that I have learnt from this Nairaland about you, so that he cant take advantage of you whenever he wants. We are brothers you know, so I got his back against you!

@Noetic 15 and $Osisi: Posted by: noetic15
Insert Quote I am not shy you know and my answers are bolded. Why Noetic 15 today? You already ran through, Noetic, and 1 through 14? Shish!

1. how EXACTLY did muslims come about the koran?Revelation from Allah the One God to Muhammad through Jibril the Angel to Muhammad (AS) a human messenger to all mankind. Except Chapter 2 Verses 283 to the end of that chapter which was revealed directly to Muhammad by Allah, during the isra wa miraj night journey. If Allah lifted Isa bin Mariam (AS) in body and soul, then lift Muhammad (AS) in body and soul is a repeat! And repeat is always not difficult more than the original, first time

a. was it given to mohammed by jubril to read? Given orally as a "repeat after me" because Muhammad was unlettered

b. was it inspired to mohammed over a period of 23 years?inspiration orally through Jibril because he cant read

c. was it written by narrations just as the haddiths were been written?No

d. was it written 300 years after the death of mohammed?No. Osisi should show you her piece about Uthman Quran, using Abu Bakr's and all the other parchments. It could not have came in year 300 of Hijra!

2. why is islam and its adherents afraid of the truth?We are not afraid of any truth coming from you! Heck all your questions have been addressed. For a man who already used Noetic, and Noetic 1 or 2 through 14 and now using Noetic 15, what could you have as a possible truth that people like me shall be afraid of? Quran is still in all the 7 original and authenticated dialects. You can go to any store in Islamic sections of London or whereever you may be living to acquire each and every style. Its in audio, video. Where is your Torah in the original language, am not talking about Yiddish or later developed language? Where is your Psalm of David in the original melodious tex/sound? Where is the Gospel of Jesus in not Latin or Greek but in Syriac or aramaic, or the semitic language of his day?


$Osisi, "Young girl" help this young boy, since you are older, I dont wanna sound like a sexist, I leave that on the table for the Christian men who incidentally call "disvirgined women "ajeku" left over, by the exemplary words of GODSON2009! Good Christian man he is, that guy!

i shall leave osisi in the capable hands of the young blood abuzola.

@$Osisi: « #283 on: Today at 07:55:43 PM »  Just to answer your question asked about when theBible was deemed corrupted by Allah, you must take the exact time when the Verse saying it is in the Quran, "Schizm" must have entered into Judaism, Christianity and indeed the Bible. Deal with it and you continue to evade my challenge about the pretty baby that is cooking! Are you afraid to let Islam touch you by entering into your personal family, since you said an uncle or a family member is it in 9ja already? Wear Hijab and Kimar for the dude and see him light up like fireworks!

[Quote]deal with it.
confused folks,picking and choosing what  is authentic and what's not
You and olabowole can't even agree on the authentic ones here on this forum
why would Muslims lie against allah and his prophet?
You say Aisha is 6,the hadiths agree but olabowole says she's 21,others say 15
How on earth did allah allow such a mess such that his slaves are confused about what he really meant
You expect me to sort  it out for you?[/quote]No one expect you to do anything for anyone. Heck you can even sort out 1 God differently from pure idolatry 3 gods. What we expect you to do is learn and then speak the truth, not bury your heart in metal cage and lie!

Finally, Abuzola and or me, neither is a scholar and no scholar single handedly knows everything in Islam. This is more complicated than medicine my dear and you dont know it all in the field that you are a specialist in!

Allah says in Surah Kahf that the number of the people in the Cave is known by Him, for sure. Then He allows some from the group of knowledgeables to know it! Abuzola may know many things that I dont know. I may just know a few that he does not have a good knowledge in. But we both agree that tere is One sole God sort out deserving all worship, and the Books He revealed before Quran are all now in corrupt stages, and Quran is guaranteed by Him to not suffer the same fate. We both agreed that all Messengers and or prophets came from Him, and He is Unseen and does not have parents and no offspring(s0, though you call yourselves sons and daughters out of self desires, and Jesus was a human messenger to the children of israel!

All of the above and the fact hat we are both muslims, and will pray shoulder to shoulders together, if not in Nigeria because of ethnicity, definitely in all other places, believing in the day of Judgement, paradise and hellfire, and not arrogant in asking for mercy and forgiveness because of our humanness. All of these tie  us togeter rather than the age of Aisha (RA) which is neither an authentic ahadith or an ahadith at all based on the agreed upon definition of ahadith, at best sira of Aisha herself, we both accept whatever happened then as truth and wholesome. So whats your fuss?

@$Osisi: « #285 on: Today at 08:32:53 PM »

If you practised your religion in peace and stopped parroting lies about Islam and Christianity,I wouldn't care if you worshipped stones and the idols in your kabbah.
But as long as you falsify claims and try to disparage the authenticity of the Bible,Christ and his death and resurrection, there'll be folks like me to set the records straight about the true Islam you try to hide from people.

$Osisi, show me how you have the boldness to qualify the Bible, death and resurrection of "Christ" by the word "authenticity"? I wanna read everything you write. And I will respond to you when you say you are through and not before! I know that "kini big deal," as long as there is that belief of all of the above in my mind, plus the immersing in the blood I might add, now show me, and for me "big deal ni o, omo girl!"

@$Osisi: [Quote]So the uthman actually came up with the revised standard Koran they have today after burning up the rest  
where was allah when a man standardised the works of his hands and burnt texts he didn't agree with
could that be how the stoning verse and others were lost?
who no know go know[/Quote]Osisi where and how did you come up with "revised standard" from what Uthman did, consiering two things: in the life time of the Messenger (AS), it was indicated that the Quran was revealed in seven styles/accents/tongues, and that Uthman ibn Affan (RA) did was exactly a repeat of what Abu Bakr (RA) did; whle Abu Bakr used the many written parchments and oral recitations from all the community members to come up with a singular master piece, kept with Hafsa (RA), the daughter of Umar (RA) and not Aisha (RA) his own daughter. In Uthman he used this singular "Master Piece" with Hafsa, with the patchments still available, yet undestroyed, and the remaining original community, and maybe even the following generation (Tabi'in (ra)) to come up with the many "ORIGINALS exactly copies in accents of the only "Master Piece!" Now where do you find a difference between the many ORIGINALS and the singular Master Piece?

I wanna play with you for a moment. Do you know if the Chinua Achebe still have in his closet the partchments/loose pages, books, wherein he wrote his "things fall apart"? What usage is it if he keeps it still, versus the veracity of the authenticity of the "final product", especially when they are word for word as in pronounciation by pronounciation?

I remember writing an Igbo name as Moshu, instead of Mochu, and the fake igbo man Davidylan whose last name is purely an Ijebu name, and spefically his family name is an Ijebu ode name, since every child except only those who consider themselves in their mind will consider themselves as bastard will claim the mother's bloodline, and you an authentic igbo woman laughed at my S instead of the igbo C!

I am a yoruba man, and my reason of writing it at that time was just the way it sounded to me and not so familiar with igbo words, it was not a written perfection, but a sounding (audio) perfection. NOW USE YOUR MARBLE YOUNG WOMAN (I love Muhammad (AS) who is allowing me to honor you with youth which I know you dont have any longer), if Okeychukwu Mochu has never corrected my pronounciation of his name since my S is his C, as yoruba and igbo respectively, what difference is it that i wrote his name in yoruba accent instead of his igbo accent?


THIS IS SIMIAR TO WHAT HAPPENED IN QURAN, which you are having a complete body-ache and mental breakdown on. You now must tell me, while you are at it, why is there not a single ORIGINAL BIBLE, edited or not, version, or not , rewritten or not, in the language of Moses, etc and Jesus, or what they were revealed in? Am waiting because you wanna be sick, I will give you plenty of afternoon sickness, to compliment the "Morning Sickness" caused by the future Muslim in the Oven!

@Godson2009« #332 on: Yesterday at 08:32:35 PM »

go back and read what the guy on the left side said,then go back and see why he forgave the notorious armed robber which you conveniently didnt mention lol, as for running money lenders out of the plaza,im sure if some iyalojas started using your mosque to sell fried pigs,your brother muslims will not only chase them out but literally skin them alive and hang them by the necks tru or false?lol

So what a person said is enough to not forgive him? Well you are a witness by the above against your own word against God the Almight Allah! And Jesus did not have any role in the Plaza, afterall, you are christ-like and not Jews. No? That plaza is meant for Jewish religion and not Christ-like religion, so you see while I protect the rontage of the Mosque against sales of pigs, Jesus should have had not right pushing Jews out of Jewish properties! Jesus didnot build nor pay a single shekel for the upkeep of the plaza or the temple, while the muslims purchased their site and paid for the building, and the upkeeping.

judas iscariot commited suicide,he never gave himself the chance,didnt peter deny him thrice?yet he was one of the greatest disciples,on the first day of his ministery after jesus left,go and see how many gave their lives to christy 3000 in one single day!

We are asking what Jesus did as to forgiveness, you cant answer but telling me what others are doing of their own? Thats dishonesty on your part.

[b]instead of sending them into the swine,which everybody regarded as dirty should he have sent the demons into you or some other people?[/b]in case you dont realise,demons cannot be destroyed because they are spirit beings floating round you can only displace them and they will go somewhere else but still keep coming back to try you out,hence the reason you will always notice that somethn is always tempting you not to pray or not to do good e.t.c

I was not here then. Further what would God have done? The Creator allowed the devil (spirit) a place in the spiritual realm before he createdmankind, and not all mankind carries active devil. And not all devils inhabit man! God would not have taking active devil from a creation and throws it into another. The swine dirth by your statement, yet you guys eat im. No wonder all kinda dirty behaviors in this world are practiced by the eaters of tis animal; the Christians!

on the flip side,apart from convulsing like a warapa patient,almost falling off a cliff,which miracle did mohammad perform apart from the stealing and convenient prophecies,if it was that easy? fo course he is not capable of doing any miracle on his own,he has a father in heaven GOD!!what of mohammad?

Read my responses in the greatest miracles of Islam, a thread created by Pligrim.1 for the bolded. No father in heaven because you guys always stop at Adam. Remember? Look at the two geneologies, again! Tell me where you wrote God?

if its that big a deal to you,then rephrase and properly arrange the question like the others and trust me,ill adress it

I dont trust you which is our firts problem. While you find it easy to answer my easier question you play possum about the major question: Did Jesus called anyone a fool, after he had warned against this very thing, threatening Hell against anyone who says "fool" to anyone? Did Jesus say that he and God are one, while he says that he is a humn being, begging God for help and also saying that he could not do anything out his own power alone, needing God to do them throygh him. Are these not diametrically oposing the other? Yes. Did the disciple referred to Jesus as servant sent by God in Acts, while some others lie Paul brought the idea of co-godsip? Are these going the same direction, or opposite?

None of my partners make decisons with icluding me or informing me later on. And if theirdecisions are incorret, they will know my own response right away! Did Jesus say love every one and at the same time prepare lake of fire for some amingsr these beloved to him, whom his salvation covers; consider christians who will come to him proclaiming that they did mighty miracles in his name, yet he will say I do not know yee!. All of these are Jesus contradicting or the Bible contracdicting itself!

go and check the meaning of hedonism,and them juxtapose it with what mohammad was indulging in,while jesus christ was suffering walking bare footed with his disciples denying himself worldly comforts,your own "prophet" was busy testing sexual libido,why wont he mix the quran up or contradict himself?lol show me any chronic womaniser who was disciplined or without issues??lol

I know what hedoism means.I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s, well before the HIV/AIDS of the 1980s. I missed woodstock by a whisker! If Muhammad's ruling stopped me from chasing tails, then you should know that your accusation is baseless. While I copy Muhammad (AS), you can never copy Jesus when it comes to sex and love and marriage! Yur parets will be unhappy with you if you dare try to be Christlike on this matter!

well that means you have not been readin the updated version of your quran on lesser jihad,your mohammad has abrogated the former verses which you are reffering to,

You love to deceive? You will deeive only yourself, oterwise bring me the "UPdated Version of the Quran", in arabic so that I can compare it to the old and delapitated obes I have! I will do it cghapter by chapter. Then sentence by sentence, then word by word, and finally letter by letter! If you are wrong, then I know you have not been telling the truth all along.

That will be shameful, compared to the Bible that I used in high school, prior to 1970, the first year student in 1971 were issued a different version/edition of the same Bibe from the same printer!Check it out on the internet! Maybe because everything is Bible to you guys, since there is no original, unlike the Quran which is orginal still, only in arabic!

@the bolded,for us to believe you are being fair with your laws,ill suggest mohammad's carcass be dug up,and both hands chopped off,because he is the no 1 raider/robber, there is a step son pls dont insult my reasooning, if i post the necessary verses will you convert to christianity and publicly say "jesus christ is the son of God"

Muhammad (AS) is neither a carcass nor going to be exhumed! As said before, if you accuse him of illicit sexual act, how does his warning against it provide me the reason for staying away from it, except that he was the example that I live by? If he was a thief, how could he have brought about the implimentation of that law adhere to by almost all muslims, except the ignorant among the elites and the foolish (I copied Jesus by calling people name here, except that am saying what is public knowledge), and this law is practiced today and by head counts and community group sampling the muslims fair better based on piety and humility? Not a single leadership is uncorrupt in Nigeria, so we go to the masses; the greater percentage of evils are committed by the non-muslims, day in day out!

This is unlike your Bible whic simple forgives as long as you believe in death on the cross, trinity, blood dipping, etc, but lack personal responsibility and God onsciousness! Sexual liason, drinking are all forgiving and taking as personal thing and not an added community ill effect, in Christianity as long as Jesus blood is covering you! It is the law of Islam that keeps me away from all interest based businesses, chasing the tails of all that come my way, taking advantage of anyone in each and every thing I am involved in!

And did Muammad steal from anyone, and while in Makka raded the Yemenis? I am shocked they called him Alamin (from amana: trust), the trusted/trustee if he was a thief! Please give us the ahadith which will support your argument! Otherwise, I will say that yoy=u hae reorted to not telling us the truth!

mr man,i will educate you if you dont know!!jihad meaning strive or struggle is in two broad parts lesser and greater jihad,while i acknowledge that mohammad said the greater jihad which is what you are saying is of more priority for a muslim,nevertheless he enjoins his followers to perform the lesse jihad(jihad of the sword)with as much virgour, so stop confusing yourself

My daily reading of Quran in Arabic gives me a greater sense of the meaning because of my faith, than you who gets only the "meaning" that foster your intent to argue against islam blindly! While I know that Jihad has the arm/war aspect of it, it has a larger aspect which is not and also Har'b meaning war exclusively is not Jihad which is neither arm struggle or war exclusively! Where is your education now, but considering that Jesus commanded for the purchases of "SWORDS" and when purchasd and used, "Har'b", he turned around to the other aspect of Jihad the internal sruggle not to cause the blood bath that would have definitely resulted in either kiling the multitude with the SWORDS, or the multitude losing many lives, but killing all the disciples any how, and the proof is that they seized no one else but Jesus! Abegi let leave that thing,we already heard it all before!!

you wish,all muslims have the slave mentality on account of what islam means"submission" and you being slaves to your GOD so no independent mind or any mental ingenuity of any kind

Slave mentality, only to God the Almighty Creator, and not to man, in the least. Lets start with Nigeria; the nothern people mostly muslims because of islam and not because of their ethnicity fielded people from them in every leadership election since inception of Nigeria. You people criticise them for this. Leadership is what Islam brings, and not blind followership! Globally, with the little that Saudi have, even though I disagree with them, based on their religiousity, they have tremendus impact on America, and I wish they realise that and utiize this advantageous influence to its fullest! Whereever Muslim is a majority, for the most part has been consistently ruled by Muslim leadership!

Alhamduillah, since you direct your speeech to me, I have influenced many a non-muslim in my dealing wth them! From not taking interest ids we are in partnership on any project, to never invite me to a thing that is unIslamic, like bringing women as gifts to curry favors, whereby she is left with you in the hotel room! Am I a follower? Never a follower and this is borne primarily out of Islam.

i am not ready to la any oju,i am asking you to explain a glaring inconsistency with your prophet and you r asking me to figure it out,na so??
it is the lake of fire,where every sinner who doesnt repent untill they die will go, however if you r still alive,he is willing and just to forgive us of any sin whatsoever, stop confusing yourself,or contradicting yourself like your prophet

Jesus said hell when he spoke about not calling anyone a fool, which he turned around and say to people any way. But you dont say hell fire but lake of fire. Between you and Jesus who is right and who is wrong, we already see the flippancy of Jesus as to the fool "name calling!"? Show me a simple contradiction of the Quran, I have asked you and all you do is dance and more dance, while I show you that Jesus called somebody a fool, while warned earlier for people not to do that: Matthew23. Maththew 5;22, thats the warning. Matthew 23; 17, 19, thats where he called people fools!

in answer to your query,ill ask you did jesus ever say that he was equal to his father GOD??if he didnt then wats your point. lol now i know you r tired,sorry sire i know its not easy defending this prophet mohammad lol

When your Bible reports that Jesus said he and God are one, I wonder what that means to you, except he and God are equal? Did you actually read the Bible and or did the dissertation on any aspect of Islam, because your statements belie both?!

he came as a human being,alhaji is english comprehension a problem for you?maybe its because of all the arabic you have been reading sorry sire,
the point is not mel gibson,the point is that the movie will give you an idea of what jesus christ went through, when you see the movie imagine yourself going through that,then judge if you will ask why GOD had abandoned you or not in that situation

As a muslim, I already expect death. So am not going to be surprised whn it comes. From your Bible, (though I disagree with the person to be slaughtered, but lets just go with the gimmick of the half truth of the Bible for a moment, though it missed it by the person and the place, for a starter), little Isaac did not cry as his father Abraham laid him down for slaughter. Or did he say, why do you wanna kill me or something to show that he disagreed? If Ismail the true son for slaughter with an easy to cast out mother did not resist Ibrahim's slaughter, the reason we do the slaughter after the day of Arafat, why would a "grown man god" be crying out now just because he is a man? 2 years ago, in the Bronx, a malian father lost all his family to fire, and a mother lost all her children, neither of them say to Allah "Why?", and you have a god complaining to his father or his partner? Abegi leave that thing,we have heard it all before!!

that is not what i meant sire,the fabu is that you r trying to twist an isolated incident where jesus christ said to a woman about dogs eating crumbs from the foot of the table,and the woman replied that she doesnt mind, that has nothing to do with abrogation,he was simply testing the woma's patience and perseverance,if you read further he eventually healed the woman so how is that abrogation?
even though i read the quran,i have ample time to study my bible

Abegi leave that thing,we have heard it all before!! Apologist, Liar, Magician, etc are some of the personalities exhibited when "interpreting" the Bible. Healing is completely different from calling a person a non-flattering name. Calling a person a dog is not an ideally praiseworthy. saying a person is a fool after you said no one should say the same because their place is the punishment of hell (he didnt say lake of fire), and wholesale calling people a gerneration of vipers, adulterous, etc, and turning around that tis same people hold the key to salvation, I onder what salvation is then and what those who are better than this generation hold then, but a greater key to a greater slavation? No? You cant een answer the challenge without some silly copout expanation.

If when George Bush was the President, no one dare called Dick Cheney or Donald Rumfeld warmonger(s) to their faces, but when they left, some women have heckelled each even Runfeld at the Airport, and Condi Rice have been grilled my some college students, and still walking free. Today, Cheney and others are being sued for 911 related cases! I am saying that the woman accoring to your Bible didnt mind being called a dog or compared to it, but I Olabowale will never call a person dog except I am so angry that the worst I could do is just that; call the person animal, a dog! Alhamdulillah, I am a muslim, because I will hate to be from a community that has a God, or even a prophet or the least a leader who stoop so low to call a seeker of healing dog, just because he or she does not belong to a particular group of people or class or religion. Is this the Indian untouchables or the Igbos Osu caste system? The Igbos practised Osu caste system and practising Christianity both at the same time! Haa. And with all of hat you couldnt take up the challenge!?

i never mentioned him validating the new testament,i said he validated the old testament by his own surmission and admission that he recognised and accepted the messages of the prophets abraham,moses,noah e.t.c if you check the old testament,were these prophets your mohammad mentioned and recognised make up a large chunk of the old testament so what are you on about,are you confused alhaji?agba ti de right??

Definitions of Hebrew; a semitic people on the land that Ibrahim and his company migrated to and settled in after leaving the idolatry people of their heritage. Israel: Jacob. Children of Israel: Children of Jacob, and the first generation is the generation of Joseph, and his brothers and sisters; Judah was one of the brothers. Jew, Jewish, Judaism: spiritual organiation or religion practiced by the people who claim to be "Children of Israel. This same people ethnically identify themselves by the same word(s) or derivitive of it; Jew, Jewish!

There is no way Abraham and Noah, etc including Enoch and Adam could be Jewish. Your claim of these noble men exclusively for Bible, when I am even known as a son of Adam, just like you are, deserves the usual: Abegi leave that thing,we have heard it all before!!

ill repeat again for like the 1 millionth time,what of the innocent yemeni traders he continually robbed on their way to mecca??did they owe him anything or even know him?this is another contradiction in islam,if anyone's hands need to be cut,the law should start from mohammad because he is guilty of stealing from others, let us even assume that the meccans persecuted him,what is the correlation between stealing from outsiders and what the meccans did to him??you keep on opening your islamic religion up for more slashings by the way go and read the hadiths,his actions were justified by the fact that,everybody was raiding to make a living at that time(meaning there was no denial)and secondly that he and his followers could not farm as they had no experience(meaning they ere lazy)in all accounts there was nowhere a supposed prophet of GOD actually tried praying for food,like biblical prophets did several times, thank GOD mohammad recognised abraham,moses go and see what they did each time israelites wanted food or water,they cried out to GOD,and he provided food and water, imagine a multitude wandering in the wilderness for 40 years, did mohammad try that?

Abegi leave that thing,we have heard it all before!!

i wish you would open a new thread on this particular comment so that i can properly educate you sire, everything you have listed had absolutely nothing to do with christianity or religion,where in the new testament did you see jesus enjoining us to kill or maim non christians?they are just politics nothing else, it is like saying that christians perpetuated slave trade,the whites only used religion as a covering,if you want to know more,open a thread and i promise to post enopugh materials,including figures you can cross check, do you want the figures of all these battle s you have mentioned compared to the figures of suicide bombings?you will be suprised,me a born again christian getting angry, nooo when im not a muslim being offered pork

Abegi leave that thing,we have heard it all before!! But then about the colonization, if Jesus said go preach to every creature, a departure from I am sent but to the lost ship of the house of Israel, we see that the colonizers came with Bible in one hand and colonization, oppression, killing, enslaving, grabbing of land and minerals and authority in another!

@Godson2009" « #331 on: Yesterday at 07:53:36 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 01:23:17 PM
@Godson2009: « #328 on: Today at 03:58:07 AM » (A onfession: I always hate to write your name since I know God has no son of any kind).Good argument is wasted on ignorants. Muhammad (AS) is truly a human prophet, a messenger! Like all other messengers and or prophets, properly labelled and identified, until we came to those who said they are christians who deviated from the religious way and instructions of Jesus and thereby elevated him to god, like the hindu did to their leader, like the buhhdist did to their leader!

abegi leave that thing,we have heard it all before!!

This all you could do for a response to the bolded truth is abegi leave that thing,wehave heard it all before!!, I will do exactly the same for your lies, saying exacttly the same. The only lace I will now help your understanding better with a different response (explanation) is where you have some truth! See, I am helping you and my attitude is not to ignore your truth or partial truth, even though thats what you did to mine. Example is just above.

that is the point,how will you get to ibadan from lagos island?
you dont believe the account of mary and the immaculate conception yet you are ready to believe the lie mohammad told you ppl about his mother hearing voices about her unborn child being the lord of some people so your own mohammad was doing everything withiut asking from his allah?no wonder, lol

Abegi leave that thing,we have heard it all before!!

no sire,jesus said he came to fullfill the prophecies namely that GOD will send his son to die for the sin of mankind,and all that he will go through e.t.c,i said he has nothing to do with for instance the battles and manner of ruling by the old testament prophets,is that so hard to comprehend alhaji or you r doing this on purpose??
dont even go near the melchizedek,because you dont have any idea, open a thread and i will break it down to brass tacks for you.
i wouldnt attempt to explain the first or second adam to you,so you dont get confused, this explanations should suffice

Abegi leave that thing,we have heard it al before!!

So Osisi, bring forward for the whole world a single verse, the many versions in arabic arabic side by side and i will personally show you what your mistake is! Arabic Quran I said.

Let me know which Chapter and what verse that you do not have clear understanding about! Dont fault me if you refuse to accept guidance! All I can do is to show you, and agreement is between you and your agreeing or disagreeing heart!

$Osisi, they say doctors are bad patients, so me a quack doctor is the one to teat your malady; go and take 3 )overdose_ and call me in the morning.

if your malady is not born out of ignorance then it is born out of hatred; no wonder you are thinking i needed to be forgiven only based on assumption.

Allah says of His forever protection of the Quran, hence it is impossible for anyone to bring corruption into it. A single correction a aleged by the fake ahadith that which completely contracdict Quran and Muhammad (AS) and the large community of believers, would not have a single chain if it was true! Allah gave legislature of zina and its punishment, etc, and simply mentioned the whipping of those who are single. It was in the ahadith that really is in congruency to what should be similar in degree of marital status gravity was explained! Like in the case of salah, it was ahadith that explained it; how many rakah for which faridah!

The fact that 100 of 1ooos of people males and females memorized and used the Quranic verses for prayer and for all the many aspects of their lives, including when meting and leaving each other or one another, and Mahammad and Jiril reciting it to each other once and twice each in every year and the last year of his life, respectively, with Abdullah Mas'ud correcting him in salaah, all of these guaranteed no discrepancies, and finally the biggest GUARANTY is what Allah Himself said about never to allow a corruption to enter it!

The christians cant even help themselves; trying to drag the Quran in the mud as the Bible has truly remain in that same mud!

What about my wager with you? If you do not accept it with the baby, then I think you do not truly believe in christianity.

aburo, i dont knowt means. but if it is some means of romance, no be me and osisi o. she is married and i dont do e dating or fling. i dont do any of that in real life. besides one igbo woman is good enough because there are still other tribes; the yorubas, the yorubas, the yorubas. etc! o ti di oson monday fun e nti e!

@aloy.emeka :

The above verses clearly state that allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days

If allah is all knowing, why couldn't he do simple addition?

Have you thought thats about the obbvious possibility that while Allah was creating the earth in the two two days, he was also creating heaven as well since the are exactltly 2 days? My supporting proof is in Surah Azuma (I think) where Allah says that the heaven and the eath were joined together and he cleaved hem apart, telling them to come together in their places, willingly or unwillingly? Then the noutrients, to include the vegetations, aminamls, etc all things on earth and in heavens!

The other possibility is the fact that while heaven or eath was being created the nourishment days of four days are taking place. You can do two thinngs together, No? Allah can do many things at the same time, even you cant.

I know that that will confuse you since you need three gods to even make a decision; one talking the other two are listeners, without saying a word.They are like the christian women; seen but never heard!

@$Osisi: « #260 on: Today at 02:31:14 AM »

like his last words before the poisoned nkwobi took it's toll.

Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660: Narrated 'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:

On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's [flash=200,200]http://Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets."[/flash]

Blacks,Jews and Christians were his targets of hatred

Did the black people build places of worship at the graves of their prophets? NO. Did Jews and Christians build places of worship at the graves of their prophets? Yes. Osis, the Jews and the Christians are to the Prophet (AS), what the Pharaoh and his courtiers and supporters were to Moses and harun (AS) and what Pharisees and saducees and the scribes were to Jesus (AS)! Disbelievers aught to be cursed by believers for disobedience. When a Kufar dies, I keep my prayers of forgiveness away from him or her, Those who worship god(s) with God deserve justice from Allah. Why do you think I talk to you about leaving multiple heads god(s) which you cant see, while you have your physical eyes wide open, but what happens to the spiritual eye? Osisi, take my advise, there is no one that can help you against your Creator.

@Davidylan: « #226 on: September 26, 2009, 05:46 PM »

I've read it completely at least 2ce, it does not refer to me but ALL MUSLIMS. Ask Jarus and Olabowale to explain to you, even they were not so naive to lie like you just did expect they added a bridge to it  

The ayah cant be refering to me, i am covered by the blood of Jesus . . . allah has no part in me.

Since the blood (stale I say) covers you (drip drip all over your floor) then relax and stop being so jumpy. Continue to have permanent illusion that you will not pass over the hell fire, where I fear and very concern for your fate! I know that all Christians, without a single one will drop into the fire of hell, where they will burn (Allah has confirmed it; Its Hatman. Surah Marian Verse 71!). You better get of the bad guys line to jahannam! Shiim soo re noyin o! Shee ko maa  ton ra re o. Deede eniyon, see eruu yaa Raabi ri enio. Ee si Olorun meejio, meeta o. Iroo ri deede re! Thats my best effort of Ijebu Ode dialect!



[Quote]Yeah free atmosphere since you blood-thirsty goons cant kill me no?[/quote]Blood thirty? Goons? David, those are Christians, the people who are  fearing their own shadows and spiritual bankrupts always doing "back to the sender" and deeping themselves in stale blood! Aburo, I will remind you to change your old batch the next time we speak!

And no one dies before its their time! You cant hasten or delay death. All that is measured for you, food, drink, air, etc will be consumed totally, exactly without a drop more or less before death!

But in Timothy Book of the Bible, the word "Infidel" is a big thing. No?

@Aloy.Emeka: The first is Surah Anfal (8/12) and the other below is Surah Azhab (33/26). Neither had "infidel" in it, and did not Jehovah and or Yahweh, and Jesus and the Ghost cast "terror" in the hearts of the Egyptians and pharaoh killing all their first born in the pass-over, which the angels visited a calamity on them at night? Did their drowning not accompanied with terror?

Shall you now charge these three above? Do that first and wait for some few thousands of years before you talk about the blessed prophet (AS).

Muhsin Khan: (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."

Muhsin Khan: And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.

@Aloy.Emeka: Posted on: Yesterday at 07:14:04 AMPosted by: Aloy.Emeka
[Quote]Mohammed should be charged with hate crime if he actually said this. Why are Nigerians killing others to defend the same Islam that use offensive words against blacks. Olabowale and AbuduZola, don't you people find that thing offensive?[/quote]And if he didnt say it, then the young girl $Osisi should be sued for libel and defamation of Character! No? Read the text of the Farewel address, where the prophet said there is no superority of any race over another, or a person over another, except only by piety in God consciousness! Unlike what is reported for Jesus in the Bible, calling a woman from another nation "dog". Check it out: Matthew 7;6, 15;21 to 28.


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Olaadegu okare! Each is jealouse of the other, I am sure! This statement from you and the christian pundit actually corroborates the verse of the Quran that says "if there has been more than One God, the others will combine their efforts together and try to upstage the Supreme Lord,", even though they will be unsuccessful, but trial they will!

« #328 on: Today at 03:58:07 AM »
[Quote]again,you are confusing yourself he never did,he forgives everybody irrespective of your sins,the people he will deny are these that have denied him point blank on earth up untill the point of their death,he said fake prophets who use the devil's names to perform miracles and lie with his names will be punished,as a religious man im sure you agree with this no?[/quote]Not the Money exchangers because he ran them out of the plaza, a public place I might add, and not his alone! He did not forgive the guy his left side on the cross! He did not forgive Judas Iscariot! He did not forgive the tree because he killed it by his curse, and this is an extreme case! He did not forgive your main meat swine because he sent evil spirit (the opposite of good spirit, I think this is the Holy spirit) into them because they got drowned by this event, when he could have simply arrested them if he was "CAPABLE" of doing anything of his own!



[Quote]where did he do that?you are now confusing and abrogating yourself,maybe because you v been abusing the term soo much[/quote]I have thrown the gauntlet at you, and I expect you to bite. You are now denying that Jesus and the Christians do not believe and or say all of the above? Are they all in agreement? If a person says his/her gender was a particular and specific gender, either male or female, do you expect the person to turn around and say the complete opposite? If this person says the opposite, then know that it is the flippancy and dishonesty is 100% at play! Abi?

To you ki she big deal. To me, it is a big big deal!



[Quote]i agree too,you r right they couldnt match mohammed's sexual libido,and hedonism
they couldnt shed blood,especially innocent blood
they couldnt steal and take what is not theirs
they couldnt take their step son's wife
i am waiting for you to list proper abrogations like i have listed abeg[/quote]While I think you cant match my sexual libido, I do not indulge in hedonism, because that is left for the Christians and their bathhouses, their brothels and places of orgies!

While I am allowed to fight and kill to defend myself and my loved ones and the oppressed, my properties, etc, I should not start a war, acting like a rebel without a cause, leaving that for the Christians, ala Jimmy Dean (The Rock on music lyrics comes to mind).

We dont take what is not ours the reason for amputations, and there is no step son in Islam, the reason I said to Davidylan not to devorce the pretty woman he will marry, because she will be off the rack, so that she does not go to community propertyship of the men, and according to you she will be an ajeku!



[Quote]how is the jihad without compulsions,without truce and fighting and killing all non muslims better than the former defensive jihad?
how is respect of the holy month,with no fighting abrogation better, is it then better for you to rob and pillage innocent traders?after all the former truce was broken by your prophet of all times during a holy month all because of greed of spoils of war.[/quote]Quran uses "Har'b" for war! Quran uses "Jihad" for all kinds of struggle, including mental, and physica, and verbal. My dialogue with you now is Jihad, and not har'b. Har'b is what hisballah did with Israel in 2006! Big difference, man!



[Quote]i will not allow you to side tract me from my original question[/quote]That will allow me to give you a good mental beatdown.



[Quote]explain why mohammad abrogated,contradicted himself so many times in the quran/hadiths
was it because he was a simple normal human being and not a prophet?hence he was susceptible to normal errors?
was his allah the one who made the mistake either by giving him a wrong prophecy or incomplete?[/quote]Iwo lo tun nso bayi? Laa oju inu e. I have explained abrogation. Now show me contradiction, while I show you contradiction as to the new testament, leaving out OT for the moment: Jesus love all and pray even for your enemy, but then he spoke about fire of lake. Try that for contradiction for if the "pray" thing was not borne out of hypocracy, you will expect everyone to go to paradise, except that you did not mean it, your reason for some to enter lake of fire, because there is no reason for "Lake of fire" or is there?

@Godson2009: « #328 on: Today at 03:58:07 AM » (A onfession: I always hate to write your name since I know God has no son of any kind).
[Quote]while ignoring everything else,so you agree with the bolded that mohammad was an ordinary man like you and me?then there is no point in the debate anymore then,in fact i excuse all the vices he got up to in his life time because he is only human so why are you ppl willing to kill and die for an ordinary man now?[/quote]Good argument is wasted on ignorants. Muhammad (AS) is truly a human prophet, a messenger! Like all other messengers and or prophets, properly labelled and identified, until we came to those who said they are christians who deviated from the religious way and instructions of Jesus and thereby elevated him to god, like the hindu did to their leader, like the buhhdist did to their leader!


[Quote ]alhaji olabowale,a friendly advice,if you dont understand the bible,simply ask christians to explain it to you,i can say with all honesty that everything you have written is like someone going to ibadan with the car facing third mainland bridge

[/quote]And in the long run he gets to Ibadan after sightseeing to make the journey interesting! Seyi a new revert to Islam has made it all worthwhile for me! She told her friend that she now know that there is One God and not fighting to understand three gods, one dying a death from the creation who hung him, the other a mere ghost shadowing and doing nothing but mounting, overpowering and overshadowing a virgin, yet no sex but a baby comes out; try that with your wife when you get married and she will tell you she experienced sex with you, though you may deny it, and the last a seditentary father, alsways asking for advise not able to do things on his own, a proof he is not truly the sole creator! Loo joko ojere, ko je kin gboron.



[Quote]did jesus christ directly perform the acts in the old testament?
these acts were performed directly by the prophets no?in the same bible you find several instances where GOD publicly said he was ashamed of and angry with his own prophets,because of anger as much as GOD loved moses,he punished moses by making him see the promised land,but never stepping his foot,im sure you know the story of samson,gehazi,ananias and saphira,david and the punishment e.t.c this is to show you that GOD was not happy about many decisions taken and the bible was careful and meticulous enough to include it in the bible other wise you wouldnt have seen them to bring them up here now check this,

1.jesus christ who was not involved in any way,shape or from untill the new testament came to right the wrongs in the new testament and love had always been his message from the beginning of his ministry to the end, he raised lazarus up from the dead because of the love,he associated and eat with sinners,he stuck the ears of the people who came to capture him back when peter cut off one of the servants ears, are these not signs of love?

Yet Jesus said I did not come to abrogate but to fulfill the laws and prophets? And yet he is billed as the third and now you said he had nothing to do with it? Was he not the author as a god? And or (lol) not the Melchezdek? And or the first Adam or at least the second (Adam), or just the statemennts from your mouths only, without any standing firm behind them? Ogbeni, odu e ti poju.



[Quote]2.mohammad himself validated the old testament because he told you in the quran that he has not come to change the message passed down to the biblical prophets so what are you on about?are you disagreeing with your own prophet by saying the prophets are wrong?[/quote]Muhammad (AS) did not validate neither the OT nor the NT, the reason we say your Bible is corrupt, not having a 100% purity! Where did you get lost in this before you came up with your hyperboly?



[Quote]when mohammad told you to live a holy life,why didnt you copy his lifestyle by robbing people on the highways?are we guided or judged by the same laws?[/quote]Because he did not rob anyone on the highway thats why. You even complained that cutting of hands of thieves is very harsh for the crime of thiefery. If anyone stop me from taking hold of my properties because I was weak, when I become strong, you better believe that I will come for it, if I have the chance to do so, so if you call that highway robbery, and blame me for trying to get back my properties, am happy.



[Quote]again you are writting gibberish sire lol,what is jesus own with the phrase? whoever lives by the sword?? when during or after jesus's ministry did anyone use a sword?? lol lol[/quote]His disciples during his time. The crusaders after him. The conquistadors and the Inquisitors after him, not even counting the usage of it in the military escorsions in colonizations, and the wars waged by Christian dominated countries. The civil war in America is a good example! Now I can laugh at you; lol, lol, lol. See o binu sha? I hate to see you get angry.



[Quote] from: olabowale on Today at 02:53:54 AM
Another God and Jesus are the same and then he abrogated it by hear oh Israel, your God and my God is but One Lord.
what on earth is the meaning of this imam olabowale??lol lol u need rest [/quote]He didnt say these two opposing things? One have to be incorrect and it is abrogated! Unless you dont know the meaning of abrogation. Do you know it?



[Quote] from: olabowale on Today at 02:53:54 AM
Another: He volunteered as the lamb and he abrogated it my crying out: My God, my God, why has though forsaken me?
there is no abrogation because he came in human form with human desires, he cried because of the pains,remember he was human and could feel pain,would you rather have him smile with all he was going through?go and see passion of the christ[/quote]God one time and human the next; thats abrogation! O mo nkon ti won npe ni a fikon paro ikeji ni? Omo, I see say Mel Gibson fooled you to almost become a billionaire! Mel Gibson who is living a life that belittles al of the passion of the Christ mumbo jumbo; a skirt chasing drunk and you fell for his gimmick? Maybe I should make my own movie and somehow a billion people like you may just fill up the theater, with a dollar coming to me, then I already have my billion!

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 02:53:54 AM
Another: Loved all and then he abrogated it by calling some tribe dogs.
is this fabu or you r just joking??show me where in the bible??lol alhaji fabulous

If I show you the two verses, will you leave Christianity? I want you to answer then I will show you the verses and you shall become Muslim! Please respond to me now. And my job will be done. I am waiting. Thanks.

No one can emulate the leadership of Biblical Jesus because it is impossible to consciously commit suicide by binging yourself up for hanging, and then yell "my God, forsaken me!" And no sexually able person, virgin or not wants to be unsexed and unmarried!

Its easy to follow the human compartible leadership of Muhammad (AS); no god, just human, a son, a nephew, a cousin, a friend, a husband, a father, a community leader, a philanthropist, etc. (AS).

@Dexmond: In the academic enviroment, the scholars or fellows or researchers always postulate, probe and give their own opinions. Al Azhar of Egypt is filled with miscreant scholarships; strong believers, mediocres, and very weak in their faith. Just because they are arabs do not qualify them to be great in faith! Just because they are scholars do not, too. Christian arabs and Jewish arabs, and idolator arabs and Hypocrite arabs abounded in the time of Muhammad and you have the same, today!

Orientalists like John Esposito is a great scholar and there is no iman in his breast. None at all! I have seen muslim arabs in the mosque who could not make a good salah, hence he was taught how to make salah, properly, having spend all his life till he was in his 70s among arabs but in france. The arabs smoke ashish (hope thats the spelling), a thing that may intosticates, forbidden, but they do it openly in arab land, arab community!

While you are restricting God to few people and to the Children of Jacob, the Jews used to be known as the 12 nations of the children of Israel/Jacob, God Almighty the Creator is God of all! Until you get out of this lock up of mind in bad understanding, then you will never become a muslim. But when you know that God is Creator and Lord God of everything, every people and not just a handful and not a single people of 12 nations/tribes/clans (incidentally Jacob had daughters and those were forgotten as if they have no part in his bloodline), then Islam will come to you;

You will know that God is Whole and Solely One Chosen to direct All Worship to, worthy of all Praises! Not a three in one as if you are editing a film or cinema scene shots, bringing many (in your case 3) to a single final scene/production!

@Godson2009:

AGAIN,you still dont get it, while i appreciate the fact that everything is a gradual process,especially when learning in life,like you have used the analogy of a 5 yrs old and all that however from what i understand from the quran, mohammad was not a normal human like me and you,he was a prophet![b][/b] have you heard of the saying, to whom much is given,much is to be expected,if you read the parable of the 10 servants who their master gave money to in the bible you will get an idea of what i am saying,

mohammad is meant to be a prophet,getting his prophecies direct from his god,therefore he is to be held liable to any later incorrections,omissions,contradictions e.t.c because he decalred that he was a direct messenger of his god true or false?

therefore it stands to reason that,the only reason he could have later corrected himself so many times,or nullified and abrogated parts of words that came from his own mouth without any cohersion or intimidation is simply because he either made a series of mistakes in his prophecies and proclamations,which means he is a normal human being like you and i especially considering his other vices, or your allah made mistakes with the prophecies given to mohammad,in that case mohammad is not at fault,but your allah is hence he is prone to errors,mistakes e.t.c

now i want you to choose one or all of the above,because one or all of them seems to be the only plausible explanation for the contradictions, especially as you have not given any other convincing argument,do you see us using analogy to answer direct questions when talking about christianity?

If you believe that Muammad (AS) a human being, like Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, (I intentionally keep Ismail out of this discussion), Jacob, Joseph, etc and you say Jesus is god, then, if Jehovah or Yahweh who sent Moses abrogated his message with either the Book of David and or the message of Jesus, the god, then where is your complaint, if you are complaining about what an ordinary man, Muhammad did?

Now let isolate the Book of god Jesus to see if Jesus, Yahweh and ghost got their story straight the very first time so that we can go back to the human Muhammad and see how he fairs against these three titan of gods! So we hear that Jesus said that he did not come to abrogate the prophets and their laws, then he changed it by abrogating everything to love with all your heart God and neighbor!

Another is that dont call anyone a fool because you will go to hell and he abrogated it by calling many persons or at leas a man a darn fool!
Another: He said people should buy sword and when they began to use it, he abrogated it by saying whoever lived by sword will die by it!
Another God and Jesus are the same and then he abrogated it by hear oh Israel, your God and my God is but One Lord.
Another: He volunteered as the lamb and he abrogated it my crying out: My God, my God, why has though forsaken me?
Another: Loved all and then he abrogated it by calling some tribe dogs.
Another: He forgives everyone then he abrogated it by saying that in the heaven he will even say i dont know you to many miracle perfoermers.
Another: He was the son, then he abrogated it as being the father, then another abrogation when he bacame the ghost!

Am tired of listing the abrogations, but you got the idea. If these gods cumulatively could not even perform up to par with human Muhammad (AS) why the fuss? This you must get now. No?

If I used the same issues and conclusions that you have used for Muhammad (AS) then your gods are collectively guilty of the same, except that what Muhammad provided as abrogation is progressively the same or better from what is left. Unfortunately, your three gods, too the opposite of what the left, while you say that it is still even applicable! Have you seen a boy who mounted or overshadowed or overpowered his mother before playing daddy?

@Nezan: « #2 on: September 24, 2009, 01:22 PM »

@olabowale; you mean Adam was created from sperm and female ovum? whose sperm? whose ovum?

What are you made of, Noetic but sperm and ovum? What was Adam made from except soil and water? Are you not from Adam (AS), hence made from him? So when Allah says man is made from water, this is correct. When Allah says man is made from sand, this is correct, too. When Allah says man is made from egg of woman and sperm of man, this is correct, also.

Adam came alive as a grown man, yet you and I came about through pregnancy, so was Jesus (AS). In the process of our pregnancies, could you tell me what happened and name all the stages that the egg and sperm combo will have to go through immediately the union took place and can you tell us if there is no stage at all in the earlier development before it becomes skin clothing flesh/muscle and bone that a congealed/blood clot is reached?

Davidylan, I did not quote the Bible, because I dont read it any longer, where I am now. However, I copied what Noetic and babs787 were discussing between themselves, and my reference to it was just the fact that the Christians did not live up to the Billings: "preach the Gospel to every CREATURE!" Lion is a creature. NO? Go preach to it, either in the zoo (lol) or in the jungle (lol), and report back to us your experience! I will be waiting and be praying for your return.

O je maa lo, because I wanna see your children. The verse is not my problem, thats your headache, you are the one who takes a yahuud as god! I do business with them or employ them as lawyers to listen as an acutremen when I engage in negotiation; seen but not heard!

@Noetic4: And others like Davidylan, Nezan, Osisi, Godson2009.

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

When will you guys go and sit with loins leopard, cheteetahs Tigers, Phytons, Crocodiles, and other animals and preach the Gospel to them, or you will not follow the instruction on this issue, like you did not in the "dont ablolish the laws and the prophets?"

I wanna see how you will fair when the hungry tigers get loose on you. You see how irresponsible the "to every creature" is, which actually tells us that the writers cumulatively cant even give us a good lie, and when you tell a very terrible lie, it cant be taking as a truth!

Jesus didnt say it. You know it and I know it.

@Noetic4; « #193 on: Today at 01:08:47 PM »  

1. why do u always denie the haddith whenever they reveal the folly of mohammed?
u denounce the haddith cos Aisha established that she was a abused by paedophile mohammed. . . . .u denounce the haddith when it was established that mohammed was cool with temporary marriages. ,  . . .u denounced the haddith when it was established that mohammed never forgave anyone. . . ,  whenever the lies of mohammed about apostates are revealed u gullibly deny the haddiths. . .why olabs? why? . . ,  .dishonesty stinks.

Continue to run your mouth. Every one is entitled to his own opinion, reasonable ofr unreasonable. One thing I do know is that Quran is the master manual for which one will know an authentic or fake ahadith. And by definition Muhammad's speeches only and what was said in his presence that he did not object to are the ahadiths! I continue to say this to you and you stood your deceitful christian and orientalist ground. I will not even try to move you, and the decision and your position are all up to your Creator.

I already shown you and its obvious that Muhammad (AS) forgave the Jewish woman who poisoned him. No or did he kill her? I will love you to answer this question, without trying to beg the question. Further Muhammad forgave Makkans when they expected him to avenge with impunity. In both cases he had the power as a leader of a powerful community, he had the motive because one group ran him out whereby he became a refugee in Madina, and the other intentionally poisoned him. He had the means as a leader of a formidable army, yet he forgave.

Tell me any prophet, Jesus included that had any and all of these qualities, without trying to draw up inferences, we are talking about obvious situations, that forgave an enemy? Please dont be shy Noetic 4. I will read and try to absorb everything you say here. Check from the first word in your Bible and all the way to the last deed of Jesus for just a single presentation, before I bring many ahadith, including the people who put dangerous things in his path, daily and when they were sick he asked about them and visited, and spoke good words to them. Oh and I forgot the people who wanted to kill him in Makka, when he was escaping to Madina, where Surah Yasin verse 9 was recited by him as he passed them by, he did not kill them, but forgave them at the victory of Makka!

2. This thread has clearly established that mohammed was a racist and so was allah. if indeed allah created black people he would not have made such a proclamation.
Do u know how God reacted in the bible when the children of Israel grumbled that moses had married a black woman?. . . . . . .God punished those who grumbled. . . . because Jehovah God knows that He made the blacks.

Who created black people then? The wife of Ibrahim (AS) Hajah was a Black woman. And she gave him the first and some short period of time the only son, Ismail (AS). Muhammad (AS) came from him to Ibrahim. Muhammad's wet nurse was black, so was the Muhadhin of Islam Bilal bin Rabah (RA), and so was his wife the mother of Ibrahim Coptic Mariam (RA), a former Christian from Egypt! You continue to play posssum and I cant help you about this syndrome. I have known you somewhat off Nairaland and I found person a better human being than what is projected on this forum. Now if somebody were to say something that is contrary to that personality that I have formed about you, should I at least not to be able to say that I doubt if you are the person that they referred to? And I have just met you this pasy summer and I have known Muhammad (AS) aver haif a century. Should I not be able to defend him, when you and your clique say something that is contrary to his Quranic personality?

3. why did Jesus ask that the gospel be preached to all nations? why was Paul and Peter sent to the gentiles?. . . .to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Noetic4, you now know that if this what jesus said, he had flipped from his original position of "am only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel!" Now we should ask the question which jesus was telling the truth? I have my asnwer because Quran supports my position. Read Surah Saff; Verse 6! And dont ask me about jesus of the Bible says, am not a christian and I can use my marble!

4. why is allah so RACIST?

Less racist than yahweh/jehovah, yet you did not abandone him and his cohort jesus who called some people dogs and the rest of mankind "gentils" since thats what we are known as.