₦airaland Forum

@Noetic4: Am very happy about Allah and Muhammad (AS). What others say he said, if opposing Quran, I definitely know to be lies!

What I now ask you is this, what do you say to when Jesus exclude you from ever being saved? What is your take when jehovah/yahweh says that he is for the Children of Israel alone and he is not your god, and throws you a yoruba boy out to the dogs? Aburo, now what?

What is there when the Jews with impunity call you gentile, a term used to debase you, yet you take one of them who already rejeceted as a god? Are you not actually worshipping similarly a Oya, etc of the yorubas except that you now take a human being jew in place of the the yoruba carved idol?

@Jagoon: And since 95% of Jews are not Christians, then Judaism suffers the same fate as Islam. No? Incidentally Jesus was a Jew, practiced Judaism if you you deny his practice of his own lifetime type of Islam prescribed to hi and his followers. Either way, Jesus will suffer the same fate as either the Muslims or the Jews!

Jagoon, your leader will suffer like your enemy while you his follower do not suffer! This make any sense to you, except you will definitely suffer along with either Jews if Jesus was not a Jew by religion, since he worshipped by prostrating his face, or the muslim will suffer, the people who actually prostrate their faces like your leader!

You seem to me as the loser in this situation!

@Nezan: What Adam was created from are what you and I are created from; admixture of and and water, because we are his sons and daughters!
Then he slept with his wife and she got pregnant with us. Now the stages of the pregnancy begin with egg being penetrated by sperm. Notice Adam and Eve did not come about by this process, yet we come out of it, te sexual intercourse process! The Zygote, before it becomes human, it will get to a congealed blood stage; thats the clot!

@Aloy Emeka: Read the above, it answers your question, and in the end you have a human being, from a simple combination of egg and sperm, which later became zygote, but it must move from that stage. No?

@Davidylan: Thank Allah you don't know every branch of science and knowledge is not complete yet and not restricted to you alone! Even in your field, you are not the best expert. And I did enough of sciences to be able to follow a road map of any branch of science; please tell me all the stages you know that "pregnancy" thing will go through, from the time egg and sperm fused together all the way to when it becomes a fully formed baby? Could you tell me how the fused egg and sperm combo, obviously not a flesh, bone and skin, becomes just that with blood running through the formed babies veins? Is it possible that the egg/sperm thing becomes blood, before it becomes bone, flesh and skin?

Is it possible that before it becomes skin, bone, and flesh, that it bcomes coagulated/congealed, clotted blood first?

@Dayokanu: « #188 on: Today at 06:37:45 AM »

Osisi cussed Mukina?
Osisi should know that only the Septugenarian Alhaji/Chief Imam on this thread is allowed to cuss peoples parents without any consequence.

The Alhaji can abuse peoples family and their lineage at least he has been doing it for several yeas without warning and anyone who dares speak gets his posts deleted or locked

What Osisi said here is far milder than what the septugenarian Alhaji describes peoples family with.

Trust hypocrites to come up with excuses like "He is old enough to be your Maiguard"

NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!

Dayo, read all my posts, whereever I have had any spat with anyone. No place did I start a rancor between me and anyone. That includes you, and the mistype of your name. Go back to that post itself, because I ended it by calling you brother. Would I have called you a brother if I wished you any evil? I dont think so.

Finally, when you pointed my misnaming you out, you actually said that you believed that it was unintended as such, and I remember hat I wrote to you personally apologising and then praying since I am sure I was older saying that you will not die while am still alive, yet I want to remain on earth for a long time.

Dayo let me say it now and here, I find you annoying, un christlike and definitely since you dont know Muhammad (AS), un Muhammad like! To have kept me in mind as if am your mortal enemy all these year since september or october 2006, is a testament to my never want to have anything to do with you. Please stop your shadowing me, and I will avoid you!

And as to my last brush with the young women in which you threw your hat in the ring for a mix-it-up, I try to avoid the young woman called thiefofhearts since without any reason he called me "adodi" which was shocking to me! I simply ignored it and always want to avoid her, not maliciously but so that I do not give her any reason to insult me which everyone knows her for usually throwing the first jab!

She never have stopped abusing my wife, and try every which way till sunday that I pay attention to her. Since you are now leading the troops, you need to know that my response to them, she and the other girl about redisirgin was borne of a simple hypothetical; a person who will hope to be a parent does not detest sexual intercourse, or is there any other way a parent hopes that the chid makes him/her grandparent?

Finally, my agba is not the type that ties corn stalks, or other form on the waist, and it is hard for anyone in Nigeria or anywhere on earth to be wealthy enough to employ me as Maiguard! If you know anyone, publically that can pay my salary let me know, and I will tell you the other reason that he will not be able to employ me!

I remember Alhaji AbdaWahhabi Odunsi saying that he respects the prophet Muhammad (AS) for his openness, working for a woman. He Alhaji Odunsi will not do that even if she pays all she owns as the only single hour employment, so that she can say he was employed by her! Me, Olabowale will never be a maiguard, not with how my Lord has blessed me. So, Dayokanu, you should look else where for your potential maiguard. He may catually be closer than me far away in North East! You will be oppressing me by continuing to neadpicking and paying attention to me, and the only reason I ignored you the other time was because I had promised someone that I shal not, but now I needed to finally defend my honor from your oppressive attitude. I am still within my Islamic right!

@reindeer: « #52 on: Yesterday at 11:36:36 PM »

Na wah o!

see comedy of errors a la islam

I wish the bible had copyrights, im sure someone woulda thrown lil Mo into jail in his days!
Back to the thread, i really don't see any 'love' in islam
most messages they send out are so full of hate and violence, it reeks to the high heavens and infact islam is now becoming synonymous with violence and blood letting.
Just listen to the news anyday,news of blasts, deaths ,boko haram,shiites abi na shits versus sunnis, its just pervasive
and i think its an obvious misrepresentation when the cliche 'islam ,religion of peace' comes up.
Even the blind man will know, its an obvious paradox.

Its paradox is not as glearing as that of the Christianity "religion of forgiveness!" Where is the forgiveness when Jesus of the Bible came out swinging against the Money Changers, or the Pigs, or the samaritan, or the tribe he called dogs, of the people he called fools, or gluttons, leeches, or the poor thief he refused to forgive, or the God he blamed for his hanging, or his eagerness to kill by commanding purchases of swords, to the point that the purchases made the poor with only the shirt on their backs! Jesus had the mptive for violence, except the opportunity had a means that narrowed his chances of victory, hence the insincerity came out about "those who lived by the sword, die by it!". one will ask, why buying the Swords in the first place, what purpose that was so important that the people will little will have to sell all their belongings for them?

And my correcting Abuzola was not because I have more knowledge or greater Iman, but I do not want him to fall along with you people, copying your disbeliever title for God! But you people never correted one another and if you did, you would have found out that God does not get killed, and not like you or I, not a messenger or errand runner like ghost and Jesus and does not have the human quality of having babies sired or otherwise, mounting or overshadowing some virgin! That will not be Almighty God Allah the Creator, Who everything to Him is creation! If Islam ever was violent, it is borne by the interjectory attitude and nose poking of the outsiders, though I disagree with the anger and the violence, but it comes from a small portion, but the who of islam is brush stroked by it, just like the whole of Nigeria is brush stroked by 419, and all world ills!

Now swallow that and remember what amount of evil in this world that Christianity bring about, from extreme sexual deviance, etc to everyday killing to carnibalism; I live in the epicenter of it, you know, so you cant say anything that am not aware of!

« #51 on: Yesterday at 04:47:40 PM »

That means they are original

You must be lacking bashfulness (Shame) if you are say with all conviction that KJV and Douwy Bibles are Original, without one of them being fake, since they do not have the same number of books, the outcrop of your protestants groups considering the catholics pagans! You see I can say these things to you since you know that you are boldly lying!

The counterfeit is the one waraqua and his colleagues smuggled into the Koran

And I investigated, and double check, and did it all over again, and I did not see any Waraqua and his colleagues (the unknown entities) in the Quran! Take a look at it and take a look at the Protestant's Bible because you believe the catholic Douwy's Bible is unworthy anyway. Tell me where there is a convergence and lets hash it out!

Where is your commitment to my wager; I want that baby in the oven for Islam, he will be unspoiled and would not have believed that there are more gods that even one of them was from the jewish tribe. His older siblings will go through reformation from my man who will be unspoiled, pure and you his mom will have to follow his lead, in time!

@Manmustwac: « #35 on: Today at 12:49:04 AM »

Well if i saw god in the beforelife and he said to me ''manmustwack i am going to create u, you are going to be born in london to christian parents from nigeria, i want you to worship me and praise me read your bible go to church regulary spread the word of the lord etc etc that when u die your soul will return to me and tell me everything you did during your time on earth. That if i was a good boy and obeyed him i will go to Heaven and if i was a bad boy i wil spend eternity in Hell''
Well since god didn't appear to me before i was born. I don't see any reason why i should believe it. There was no beforelife. So there will be no afterlife

Heaven and Hell exists in your imagination

In the Quran God did exactly what you are denying above to every soul of the Cildren of Adam, not individually, but in a gathering of all of them, Allah Witnessing, they individually and the others wetnessing against everyone of them. The verse is posted below, so now it is your responsibility to seek your God Allah in truth through prayer and hope of finding the truth and ariving at a just condition for your soul.


And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam from their loins their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [asking them:] “Am I not your Lord?” They all replied “Yes, we testify to it!” This, lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: “We were unaware of this.” Or in case you say: “It was our ancestors who made partners in worship along with Allah and we are only their descendants. Will you then destroy us for what those liars did?”
(Quran, 7:172-173)

@$Osisi: You will not know a racst, if you say one; you osisi is worshippng at least two of them;
1). Jesus who called other people dog and stuff. Its in your Bible, young girl. I threw a challenge you havent responded yet on the baby to come.

2). God the father who rejected every other groups of humans on earth and got stuck with the Chldren of Israel as their God and partiality of favor!

@Davidylan: « #173 on: Yesterday at 10:20:39 PM »  

the problem with oyb's copy-paste jobs is that unlike christianity, mohammad himself PRACTICED AND PREACHED RACIAL SEGREGATION. The words being posted are NOT the words of muslim groups who lived 2000 yrs AFTER mohammad, these are his very words.

It is despicable and dishonest to judge the bible based on the words of white supremacists who lived 2000 yrs AFTER Christ.

From your Bible we see a father Jehovah or Yahweh rejecting every people and choosing for Himself, through thick and thin, rain or shine come what may Children of Israel! Again in the pages of the Bible, we see son god Jesus saying that all other people are dogs! Now you are complaining about what some people say that Muhammad (AS) said, but you are blind about what the Bible said about you, since you are not even a Child of Israel, or the Ijebus are one, since you cant claim Igbo bloodline, one bad people claim mother's bloodline, you are not that bad, yet!

What are you going to do now that you see how the Bible lambast your bloodline you black gentile? I need to speak some yiddish to you.


@No2Atheist: In your condition you are worse than atheist. They at least dont worship multipersonality god, and you know if you have been articulate all along in your so called questions you asked, I would have by Allah answered according to my knowledge. Although you may not like my answer since I will not fall on my knees for ghost, father and son in the proverbial all knees shall bow (they forgot the muslims will not follow their jokes), it will good answer, based on 1 God without slicing Him or partnershipping Him!

I should know about Ijebu Ode people than you. No? Unless you are an Ijebu Ode dame, lets drop the topic, because thats my bloodline and I aught to have the oral history still in my family, my cousins, etc are good sources. Owho aala e, e ju noo, Mi soo re, ee ma wule, Omo mi ra, just some expressions that is within my bloodline, and may not be in yours, if you aint Ijebu!

@Davidylan: « #72 on: Today at 03:29:14 PM »  

Whichever of the two it is . . . clearly the answer isnt allah. This is NOTHING to do with "ignorance" (the oft over-used, tired excuse muslims use when their lies are exposed and they have no counter).

allah is what the arab pagans called their creator whom they communicate with one of the 360 idols, mostly in the princinct of Kaaba. the idols is like Jesus and Holy Ghost liasoning on your behalf the  Christians with your creator who you call jehovah/yahweh! Both of you as am concerned are disbelievers, and there will always be disbelievers on earth, each time of the human history!

Allah was CLEARLY a name in use among arab pagans way before mohammad, at least we do know that mohammad's father was name "abd-allah" . . .

You davidylan fan cold, then hot! make up your mind, man. allah is different from Allah! all did not have any bood, while Allah is the Revealer of Quran! And again, and again, I have told you, in similar example, Oluwasola was a name used by animist Yorubas, and the christian yorubas and just as well, the muslim yorubas did not abandone this very name! Do they mean the same to each group? Heck no! Thats the same with abd-allah of the pagan father of Muhammad (AS to Muhammad the prophet), and it is not the same with Abdallah bin Mas'ud, or bin Umar, or Abbass, and others in Islam! david stop it man!

this name allah was not recognised by either the jews (whom muslims FALSELY claim were once prophets of this same allah) nor arab christians at the time to be God in heaven.

eloi, eloihim, etc sound similar to allah, no? And we do not care for jews, but cares for Children of Israel nations or tribes from where prophet Yusuf was the first generation, Musa and Haruun, Iliyas, Yunus, Daud, Sulaiman, Ayoub, Zakariya, and Isa bin Mariam (AS) came from! Adam, Idris, Nuh, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaquub, were not from the children of Israel, and only Yaquub is Israel, while the rest were his forefathers, or forebearers, anyway! About doing vocal exercise by saying aloud behind close door or recording your pronoucement of Eloi and Allah, and see how similar they sound, and then try Eloi with Jehovah and Yahweh and see how differenet they sound. This exercise will help you somehow in the long run who your Creator is while you are waiting for the doubtful Rapture!

Based solidly on the bible, we know that Jehovah and Jesus are one and the same. We can prove it . . . unfortunately your own way of "proving" allah is "god" is by threatening us with death for daring to voice that fact.

You seem to be dishonest in this matter! If we act only on the Bible we have conflicting report and nothing is clear, sort of murky look of the surface of large body of water at Sunset! David if I scrutinize the bible, I wll see people saying Jesus is God and at the same time those who knew him will say he is Servant of God! Jesus himself never said he is god, God except that he called himself, man, prophet, etc! So you are ignoring Jesus but following the footsteps of Saul, sorry like the flipflopper flipflopping Paul!

@Davidylan: « #154 on: Today at 07:18:30 PM »  

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Quote from: Abuzola on Today at 06:56:16 PM
You must be dreaming, was it the muslim that conquer and enslave your fore fathers and made them christian ? Hypocrite


Was it the christian that enslaved the entire north africa thus turning once flourishing nubian civilizations to arab fiefdoms?


Quote from: uplawal on Today at 07:08:26 PM
@David,you must be dreaming,what would you say to your black brothers in SOUTHY&NORTH AMERICA,AFRICA AND AUSTRALIA?they are billiontimes more than the slaves captured by ARABS


that is a flat out lie . . . VIRTUALLY ALL north african countries were once black african like you and me? what happened?

All of Lebanon and Syria were all orthodox christians (no arabs) some 1000 yrs ago . . . what happened?

you can go on denying the bare facts all you want . . . slavery still actively goes on in mauritius.[quote][/quote]Are the Barbars of north africa not like the hue of Ghadaffi? Is Ghadaffi not still the ruler of Libya? And as to Lebanon and Syria, before Christianity what were they, since everything in your mind stops at Christianity? Now to your bloodline in Ijebu Ode (and I already know the answer, but just trying to pull his leg), before a single one of them became Christian, what were they? You cant lie to me that great grandpa was not a Muslim, and before that, great great great (lol) great great great to some once upon a time, was aborisha! And slavery is still active in this United States of America, and the enclaves of Christians around the world is not without its many flavors of evil; red districts and brothel prostitutions, New York City Sweat Shops, etc!

In the Bible it is stated "Vengeance is Mine says the Lord!" Is this Biblical God not taking vengeance and thats punishment of whom vengeance is visitted upon? Now you see why Allah is not alone in paying in full the wages of man; obedience and do works of rigteousness; Paradise.

disbobedience and do whatever, now useless in the day of judgement, only good on earth; Hellfire.

Godson, Noetic, Osisi, Davidylan, Nezan, etc, these are for you!

@Godson2009: Is abrogation a correction of mistake process in your mind? What if you are skirt chaser, which I am almost sure you are, if I were to wean you from bedhopping, just I just say: Godson2009 none for you any more, or should I say to you a man, if you want some, go get married?

The end product, which is to completely stop you from disvirginning women who are not going to be your wife, turning them to your "ajeku" for their husbands' first time consumption is a long process! That process is abrogation of an earlier verse with another verse better or same value to the people who have bigger Iman, faith now!

The people who drink alcohol are told that when they come to prayer they should not be under the influence so that they are conscious of what they are saying. Later it was increased to dont drink, and this after they have reached a plateau whereby they now love Allah, Islam, Muhammad (AS) that the chances of leaving Islam for ignorance of disbelief is very remote. This is what am trying to do with you. There are no three gods, in this respect the Atheists who do not believe that there is God are a step ahead of you. They the atheists have moved a step higher than you in the abrogation ladder, and all they have to do now is to believe that they have a God and He is the Creator of all things!

Abrogation is your problem and you think this is what you hate about Quran? You are on your way to undersatnding Islam. Do you thread a 20 year old son like a 5 year old, about the history of the family? No. At 5, you tell him the new born just came from the stork as a result of dad and mom hanging out in their bedroom after a good period of time, so that the bird can pick him up at the right time, and deliver him to mom at the hospital.

But at 20, when you tell him dad and mom had sexual intercourse, would he say to you you lied to him when he was 5, hence he does not believe you to be a honest day, now? That is the process of abrogation! And by the way am not so concern about your age, but I want you to grow up in thinking at least to whatever that age is, because if abrogation is confusing you, then everything else will definitely do.

unlike jesus christ who loves sinners,

Jesus didn't love no one, and stop that rubbish. He didnt love the Money exchangers. He didnt love the tree. He didnt love the Jews. He didnt love the person he called fool. He didnt love the people he called dog. He didnt love the thief who didnt crumble in front of him. Heck he didnt love the pigs! And he didnt love nor forgive Judas Iscariot who did everything to the Book!

Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)

Are you in disagreement, because I will like that we arrive in Nigeria, and when I demostrate it to you, I wanna see how much you love my being unfaithful and ungrateful to you! Hopefully you will love me even the more!

Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance. (18:57)

And Pharaoh was defeated because he received guidance or misguidance? This is the best response to you, Oh you of little faith (borrowing Jesus description of your type)!

Certainly the word has proved true of most of them, so they do not believe. Surely We have placed chains on their necks, and these reach up to their chins, so they have their heads raised aloft. And We have made before them a barrier and a barrier behind them, then We have covered them over so that they do not see. And it is alike to them whether you warn them or warn them not: they do not believe. (36:7-10)how will they convert if they dont believe?

True to form. Havent many muslims been warning you on Nairaland, and your claim that you researched Wahhabi and Qubt should have been the platform to help you as you meet Nairalander Muslims. No and you read the English what is to mean of the Quran, yet you have no fear, no introspective, no thinking and no pundering! Do you think that you can blame God for not giving you all the opporunities for you to move away from unbelief?

here mohammad enjoins muslims to commit violence against these who are non-muslims

And Jesus did exactly that, except that he could not execute his plan! Moses did exactly that and he was successful! Did you realy study anything about Islam, and why not study something about Christianity?

Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)

And when sword was purchase to the point that the people have just the cloth on their back, you know that it was going to be fight to the end.



[quoteStrive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. (66:9

[/quote]And Jesus was about to do his own Jihad except he was weak, and had as member of his army, liars, doubters, denier, and betrayer! How can you fight with these people marching to the battle fied with you? That was Jesus problem!



[quote]And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)

And you disagree?

98;6
Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.

True and everyone will agree in this, or do muslims dwell in your heaven, while you believe in three gods and blood, etc and we dont? Where are the dependable future leaders of Nigeria, because Godson2009 is not in, if we consider his entries. I fear that Nigeria will fall into worse peril if hi type leads. People make sure he does not get close to position of power else disaster will be looming so quickly!

8;55
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.
allah does not love unbelievers, unlike jesus christ who loves sinners,

And today, the scientists say humans are the highest of all the "animals!" And your gods love disbelievers, while they prepare lake of fire for them? Hypocrite you are, man. Lol. This dude is too easy to cajole.

Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)

And you disagree with this? And what is the reason your 3 gods will judge, again, while the 12 apostles judge the 12 tribes of Israel? Is this guy Godson2009 for real? Huxley, what do they feed you guys in England that most of you turn out to be go off from the middle course of humanliness? A good example is this dude call Godson2009 as he reasons, and you Huxley is the other extreme rejecting God altogether! Note to self: Dont let any of your future offspring go live in England! They always turn out to be strange people!

@Godson: « #315 on: Yesterday at 10:52:08 PM »

quran 16;75, says acording to mohammed all men are not equal,
Allah sets forth a parable: (consider) a slave, the property of another, (who) has no power over anything, and one whom We have granted from Ourselves a goodly sustenance so he spends from it secretly and openly; are the two alike? (All) praise is due to Allah! Nay, most of them do not know.

Are all men equal in earthly things; power, wealth, etc? You see why I thought that you are extremely naive? And you do not have to be educated to know this, or are you as influential in UK as Prince Charles, or either of his sons? Duuh. And they say education is natural equalizer? Are fingers created equal?

9;29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

And Jesus felt that the Money changers were "disbelievers" and it shows as the disregard the law prohibiting Usury/or interest! Did Jesus not fight them? Of course he did by turning over their table, stopping them from conduting further business and chasing them of the plaza, as if he would strike them if he could lay his hand on any of them (and as we see the liars who wrote the Bible, they always put the best foodt forward, so we know some fight broke out!). Please grow up and if you continue to display this much ignorance as if an talking to a new born, I will completely ignore you as I do for the most part the incorigible Noetic! Think man, and its not straws or macaroni in there. How are you going to make Nigeria better when the forsight of foreward thinking is missing?

@Godson2009: « #314 on: Yesterday at 10:41:00 PM »

well,dont blame me if i decide not to believe your own events of what happened to you this morning, i prefer to believe what i have seen and read with my own eyes,namely the hadiths,i dont expect you a muslim to agree to something putting your prophet in bad light, so i neither agree with nor even want to read your own events,you are right on the bolded because mohammad lied many times and contradicted himself, i further asked you iof your own allah ever made mistakes or reversed himself,and ou answered with a resounding NO!!

so what is the source mof mohammad's mistakes and contradictions in the quran,leaving the hadiths out??

why would i believe the bolded at the bottom,when the quran and hadiths are all known to contradict each other constantly, only one book and several contradictory hadiths,interpretations, on the other hand the originator of the religion contradicting himself severally,and cancelling out some of his earlier assertions r proclamations,

the question thus is that;is your god a god of mistakes and contradiction?

or is your prophet a prophet of mistakes and contradiction?

choose one or both

Am almost ashamed to ask you how old you are. The reason is that it seems that you lack independent thinking, yet you said you have finished a University degree study, based on your alluding to a dissertation of some sort on Wahhabi and Qubt! You seem to think that you can make a statement of falsehood and no one will challenge you? Enough of your lies, and if you cant substantiate it, ten you rae dismissed. The Yorubas says when a child is old enough to hold firmly the sword to fight, this is when he should ask who and how did his father die! Until then it is better for him to be uninformed of the demise of his father. Why later, and not when he was just 2 years old? The reason is that at 2 he will just be as vunerable and easily can be killed by the same enemy of his father. But at 25, when he is fully grown and independent, a leader of his community, maybe he does have a better chance of avenging his father's death! Are the delay of the information from him at 2 contradicting the information to him at 25? No and the reason is that the process have to be formed and completely and gradually introduced so that the heart and the soul can take it! Islam is a gradual process, and information are given gradually as appropriate and conmensurated to the strength of belief and community as a whole!

And if you cant process this, then I am right in my opinion of you above and no wonder you are locked in to worshipping 3 gods, where one of them is exactly like me! See, it is not so difficult for me to know that there are no three gods anywhere, so am blaming you for lying on a human prophet, on an angel and God Who you are putting on a chair and calling Him father! Your lies on them is blameworthy, so I am warning you before your Creator punishes you for it.

While the liars or the ignorants wrote what they call ahadith which completely ontradict the Personality of Muhammad (AS) and the Quran, I can see these, but you in eagerness and blindly wishing somebody to take up your sins, you think a guy who could not even defend himself against some rag tag Jews and cant really forgive anyone if he were to be in position of power is going to save you from the punishment? Think again!

@$Osisi: « #45 on: Yesterday at 03:07:36 PM »

You can't have a counterfeit without an original.

Where is the Original for KJV? Douwy? Nezan, this is when you should laugh! I think will get the punch line next week when you will finally catch up to the factual joke, considering your delay reactionary's modus operandi! In the maintime I shall be waiting for a bold and assured Christian to give me the answer to my question about KJV and Douwy!

~Lady~, am even supporting you here! And at Nezan; why does The Gospel full up with verses from the Torah of Jews, when you hate their religion as well as their race, which you will convert for Jesus or die into the sin punishable in lake Christian lakeof fire? No? And dont try to white wash it!



@Nezan (m): « #46 on: Yesterday at 03:15:44 PM

lol @ $osisi

What did she say that made you laugh? The Dr. have used laughing gas on you Uh? The little gil got sme games!



@Abuzola and Davidylan: « #47 on: Yesterday at 04:40:37 PM »

Quote from: Abuzola on Yesterday at 02:41:15 PM
Every nation has its prophet, we are in the nation of Prophet Muhammad, hence no one goes to the father except through Muhammad

Again more STEALING . . . there is no "FATHERHOOD" in islam. Besides mohammad never claimed to be the conduit to allah, do you pray in allah's name?

Thats its own desire, alone! There is no father in Islam. Muhammad is not the father of you men; Surah Ahzah. Abuzola, Saaamualaykum, dont for argument sake fall into shirk! Leave the Kufr with that greatest sin!

« #45 on: Today at 01:28:15 AM »

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Quote from: mukina2 on Today at 01:23:45 AM
You can lie

one of the reasons why for any message i send warning anyone i copy one or two mods.

Any message i send to you i copied Debosky so he sees it too,

This is one of the last messages i sent to you.

and this was because you posted In the wrong sections like you did today.

geeezzzzz



Your mother bore you in lies,you daughter of satan
How dare you call me a liar?
since you have the warnings and their copies,produce all the warnings I've received from the Islamic section.
You're merely looking for a way to delete or lock this thread or have me banned to save your allah and his prophet.

On several ocassions,I have been banned for starting topics in the Islamic section
I resorted to posting them all in the religious sections and then you or your assistant gets it moved to the Islamic section but today you turn around and delete a thread of mine that you claim was posted in the wrong section instead of moving them like you've always done.
Are you too thick to understand what I'm saying?
Do you have to quote your opinions of today when it's been totally opposite your previous stand?

AND

Posted by: $osisi
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Quote from: mukina2 on Today at 01:32:13 AM
If insulting my Mother makes you happy, have a nice day.

Unlike you she was a very poius woman, didnt see the need to tell lies to a girl she is way older than. You can never be what she is.
wonder what you teach your kids

If what you posted is not a lie then what is it.

shows the kind of person you are,
grown up woman insulting a younger girl's mother.

why cant you address me?



Who are you BTW that I should tell lies against you?
what for?
It's only one borne in lies with lies enshrined in their DNA that'll deny what I'm saying
anumpam
do you make up these rules at the sighting of the moon and change them when you change underwears?

Osisi, need to find it in your heart not to go this route. You need to seek the forgiveness of this young woman.

@Mukina, am sure that she did not mean it as it sounded. Your mom (ra) is not affected by this in the least. Allah has covered what He has covered and no human late or alive noe or shall be alive later can overturn the decision of the Almighty, the Knower, the Powerful and the Living! Good night.

Salaamualaykum wa rahmatUllahi Taala wa barackatuh. Thanks sister Uplawal for calling my attention to it. JazakAllahu Khairan.

I think there should not be any reason to insult anyone. May Allah be the Consoler of those who are hurt by words coming out of others with he intention to malign. Amin.

@$Osisi: « #35 on: Today at 01:05:05 AM »  

Tabari II:21 "Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair  . Noah prayed that the hair of Ham's descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem's, the latter would enslave them        

So Allah wants all blacks enslaved by Arabs e kwa?

Overlords, the white who brought christianity to africa have a satellite after dark imagery of the world, and what they did was Africa is the only continent they did not allow a single light to emanate! And they call Africa the dark continent for only one reason, hatred of it!

And we know that there is a lot of different hues of skin in Africa. And in Makka and indeed the Quraishi tribe had black people in the time of Muhammad (AS), and being handsome and free does not make a person qualifies for paradise? Osisi, can you be a run-way model? That answers your question. And paradise is not meant for only the powerful, and hell fire is not meant only for the weak, piety of Allah is the only requirement for Paradise!

@$Osisi: « #34 on: Today at 01:00:48 AM »

Ishaq:450 "It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah's army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent."

What happened to freed Arabs, or non-Blacks who are disbelievers? They go to paradise of Islam, yaa Kafir? Of course not!

What happened to Bilah? What happened to the obedient wife of Ibrahim, Hajar, and Ibrahim's first son, Ismail (AS)? You sometimes shock me wth your thinking based on your hatred! And we see that you and them the mutamushrikuun of the world love to quote Ishaq! If his effort was not intentionally malicious against islam, may Allah forgive him and give him reward for trying.

@Davidylan: « #29 on: Yesterday at 10:55:09 PM »  

Mohammad steals again -

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "On the Day of Resurrection I will intercede and say, 'O my Lord! Admit into Paradise (even) those who have faith equal to a mustard seed in their hearts.' "
--------- Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Hadith 600

Original quotation here - Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

The expression Mustard Seed troubles you? Is Mustard seed not a creation of Allah? Is Muhammad (AS) not a human being? Did Jesus not eat Mustard seed, like all humans? Where is the similarity after this? None!

@Davidylan: « #14 on: Yesterday at 07:38:19 PM »  

***Koran 39.60  And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied against Allah –their faces WILL BE BLACK.  Is not in hell an abode for the arrogant?  

Na wa o . . .

You must see the gridIron warriors, the military boys ready for war theater, and the fire engine people have their faces black! No? Are they all black people, or their are no black people in America that can pass for redman or white? Of course they are plenty.

And a person who have seen a people of paradise being shrouded, part of sign of success hereafter is that their skin brighten up, unlike the skins of the Kufr that will need a lot of makeup to keep it okay! Blackened face here in the hereafter is not the skin, because a person who does not take good shower will be dirty and the skin will loose its luster, brilliance and brightness, the el natural people or poor white people are very good examples.

So when the people of hell are being humiliated their faces based on the scourging of the fire will turn charcoal black!

@$Osisi: « #6 on: Yesterday at 06:37:35 PM »  

***Tirmidhi hadith 38, Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Allah created Adam when He had to create him and He struck his right shoulder and there emitted from it white offspring as if they were white ants.  He struck his left shoulder and there emitted from it THE BLACK OFFSPRINGS as if they were charcoal.  He then said (to those who had been emitted) from the right (shoulder): For Paradise and I do not mind. Then He said to those (who had been emitted) from his left shoulder: They are for HELL and I do not mind.   Transmitted by Ahmad. (ALIM CDROM)

Souls and not people! Duuh. You sound almost unintelligent and I dont understand it, with all that Dr.!

First when something burnt, what remain is a charcoal. You should know it, since cremation and burning belong to the Christians! Charcoal is black all over the world, woman. Below is the verse of the covenant between Allah and the Children of Adam when they were souls in the spiritual realm;


And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam from their loins their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [asking them:] “Am I not your Lord?” They all replied “Yes, we testify to it!” This, lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: “We were unaware of this.” Or in case you say: “It was our ancestors who made partners in worship along with Allah  and we are only their descendants. Will you then destroy us for what those liars did?”(Quran, 7:172-173

@$Osisi: « #4 on: Yesterday at 06:31:08 PM »  

Ishaq:374 "The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, 'Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.'"

And all enemies of Islam deserve this Destruction from The Most CAPABLE, Allah Azhawajal. Did you forget that they ran the muslims and the prophet (AS) out of Makka to Madina?

I wonder if I were to run you out of Aba, will you be happy with me, at least when you have to fight me, will you not inflight the greatest wound, according to your capability? Well I now give you your mortal enemy to impose my scenerio upon: Obafemi Awolowo!

Imagine him in front of you, one on one; your igbo anger should overwhelm you enough to forget that he is a christian; the same religion you claim to be in!

You see how weak you are; you have to resort to being human and Jesus turn the other cheek and pray for your enemy are things forgotten then, just like Jesus did not follow his own rule of not calling anybody "Fool!"

@$Osisi: « #2 on: Yesterday at 06:30:00 PM »

Bukhari:V4B52N137 "The Prophet said, 'Let the negro slave of Dinar perish. And if he is pierced with a thorn, let him not find anyone to take it out for him, If he [the black slave] asks for anything it shall not be granted, and if he needs intercession [to get into paradise], his intercession will be denied.'"

First the chain of transmission, you sheepishly did not provide! But the Negro slave is not invoked for peril, because of his black skin, otherwise there would have been any curse on Abi Lahab and his wife (Laana tUllah), and Bilah bin Rabah (RA) would not have been counted as people whose foot print was already in Paradise!

You are goofing off, Osisi. This is serious. Seriously!

@4Osisi: « on: Yesterday at 06:28:05 PM »  

Ishaq:243 "I heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks,   ,  Allah sent down concerning him: 'To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, 'If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"

I think you should not allow your hatred of Islam to make you fall apart at the seams of intellectual competency. First, you forgot conveniently that Sayidina Bilah Ibn Rabah (RA) the Muhadzin of RasulAllah (AS) was a black man; first a slave, then a ransomed man to freedom! Now tell me how Ishaq who is like the proponent of Christian's "will never happen" Rapture, will forget Sayidina Bilah in this case? Ali bin Abi talib (RA) wanted his job and the prophet refused him. Bilah was called master by all the Sahabah, including Umar bin Khattab (RA), even when he was the kalifah! Enough, woman.

By the way there is no Chapter or verse in the Quran that says a man is blameworthy simply because he is black, or do you know any? But Surah Masad (111) is condemning the Uncle and the wife of the same uncle of Muhammad (AS)! Are they black people, Osisi?

i see,if you are a yorubaman as well,why are you worshipping a foreign arabian god??why not worship sango,oya,obatala

I dont want to worship an intercessor or needing an intermediary, like you, who takes up Jesus instead of sango, Oya, etc.

i see,so you will bring children into this world in droves simply because you want a large family and support??
including using them for thuggery in case or in the even of fightingwow now i am getting a muslim man's mindset, GOD HELP US!!

Two sons are hardly "in drove", or it? And the yoruba's say bi owo se mo ni ogun se mo meaning cutting coat according to cloth, mine in this case is hardly enough for my status. People in my position have much more, cahnging girlfriends, because I see them!

A muslim man's mindset, is the same as Adam's, Idris, Noah, Ibrahim, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaquub, etc and oh, Zakariyah, and before that Daud, Suleiman, Ayoub, Eliyas, Yunus, etc, when it came to marriage; each married and wanted children! Duuh.

FOR THE BELIEVER'S HEARTS IN ONENESS OF GOD, THIS IS A GOOD REMINDER OF SOME FAVORS OF ALLAH ON THE BLESSED MUHAMMAD (AS).

Surat Ađ-Đuĥaá (The Morning Hours) - سورة الضحىبسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

93:1: By the forenoon (after sun-rise);

93:2: And by the night when it is still (or darkens);

93:3: Your Lord (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) has neither forsaken you nor hated you.

93:4: And indeed the Hereafter is better for you than the present (life of this world).

93:5: And verily, your Lord will give you (all i.e. good) so that you shall be well-pleased.

93:6: Did He not find you (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) an orphan and gave you a refuge?

93:7: And He found you unaware (of the Quran, its legal laws, and Prophethood, etc.) and guided you?

93:8: And He found you poor, and made you rich (selfsufficient with selfcontentment, etc.)?

93:9: Therefore, treat not the orphan with oppression,

93:10: And repulse not the beggar;

first of all,you and i both know that public outcry has never stopped mohammad taking any actions, remember the time the meccans complained about his highway robbery?rather than stop,he brought out a convenient "revelation"
when his wife was complaining about his closeness to the christian slave,what did he do?he brought out another convenient "revelation now. while ignoring the flawed and empty assertion of aisha which you have written up there to suit your arguments, ill provide the relevant verses to back me up
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him(muslim8;3309)

in the bukhari hadith,

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age

it continues

Narrated 'Aisha:

That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done

now you asked me if her father didnt complain,well he did and here is how mohammad was able to convince him to agree to it,

Narrated 'Ursa:

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

as you can see, the man was hesitant and gave an excuse showing he wasnt cool with the idea,he only agreed when mohammad justified it with the quran and islam.

Ahadith by definition is either what Muhammad (AS) said or what was said in his company and he did not correct or rebuke it from being said! There is no other definition. Now tell me how what Aisha was reported to have said qualifies as ahadith! Incidentally, this morning, I heard a man on the news saying that something happened to him at the age of six, the details his parents knew, but he who physically experienced it can remember that far. Then it dawned on me about the life history of Muhammad (AS), losing his father before his birth and losing his mother at 6 and his grandfather who raised him from that point at 8, whereby the responsibility fell on his uncle, who supported him.

Allah says of Muhammad in surah Ad-Duha 93 verses 6-8; you were orphan an given refuge, unaware and guided, poor and made rich (I will post the verses 1through 10 for those whose hearts are soft to take them in. I state this Surah Ad-Duha because Allah Himself defended your evil allegations on Muhammad as to the case of Aisha's supposed statement, which does not fit definition of Ahadith, on one hand. In addition, to this, we should know that Muhammad's sirah tells us that he did not remember the essence of his own mother, who died when he was 6, the exact age claimed by the narrator of the fake ahadith by definition clained for Aisha (AS)! If Muhammad did not truly remember on his own his own mother because of the young age up to the fact that his grandfather was not truly remembered by him, a future prophet who Allah guided more than any person who ever walked the face of the earth, including from Adam through to Jesus among the prophets and messengers (AS), how is it therefore possibble that Aisha (AS), only a mother of the believers, will have better memory than Muhammad (AS), a prophet, a messenger to all mankind?

The issue here is that anyone can say whatever they wish to say of lies, the truth is very obvious. Age of remembrance is  differenet and I do not remmeber everything that happened to me in 1960/64! More importantly, a bride to be is supposed to participate in the contract of her marriage and that includes the amount of the dowry. Thenarrator did not mention these essential facts. So my statement and conclusion is that it is not an accurate statement because she was "BETHRONED" to somebody else before and the marriage angagement was called off, before the prophet (AS) proposed. Am sure when a woman is merely bethroned, she has become "ajeku" Left over by your yesterday's statement!

Instructions of Muhammad (AS) to people about marriage, including the litmus for knowing whether a woman accepts or reject proposal when her parent informed her, Muhammad could not go against this process and other including contract, etc to include the ceremony, even when she is not even there physically!

first of all,you and i both know that public outcry has never stopped mohammad taking any actions, remember the time the meccans complained about his highway robbery?rather than stop,he brought out a convenient "revelation"
when his wife was complaining about his closeness to the christian slave,what did he do?he brought out another convenient "revelation now. while ignoring the flawed and empty assertion of aisha which you have written up there to suit your arguments, ill provide the relevant verses to back me up[quote][/quote]And true to form, you Godson2009 did not give us the revealed verses, so your statement is wishy washy. But then if every accusation is to stick on the elects of God, then we will see that Moses would not qualify. You already said that avid and Solomon were not anyhow, yet the conniving Jacob was, ans do was Isaac who slept with a harlot losing out his signet was! Strange man, strange!

My opinion as a muslim is different and can be found in the Quran and what is Quran compartible of ahadith on the issue!

the fact that jesus was unmarried validates our argument that he was much more morally upright than mohammed can ever be, he behaved like a true prophet while mohammad behaved like a normal human being,do you realise that all through jesus ministry on earth,he always tried to blend in with normal people,but all trhrough your mohammed's fraudulent ministry,he always made sure you knew he was a prophet, and used his powers as such,appropriating other ppl's wives to himself,killing,robbing and other human vices now you tell me why that was?

So Godson2009, show your morality by not marrying! Heck tell all Christians not to be married and see how quickly Christianity will be a thing of the past say 150 years from today. Can you do that for me Mr. Morality? I will beg Allah to let me stay alive to see that day, the moment you people stop getting married and having sex, you girlfriend craze man, and when you guys stop having little carol and kenny! Not getting married is morality, then all those tangental and immoral sickos of England who cant get women are in this class! NO?  

« #301 on: Today at 08:12:12 PM »  
i see,now for the sake of everybody on here,could you list the advantages of a polygamous family for us pls,i am not concerned with you being polygamous in the context of your personal life,but in the context of you being a muslim so pls advantages according to the islamic doctrine

Are you a new born baby? Are you not a yoruba man? Is the Yoruba culture not 100% better than the British culture you now adopt? Is it not better than  the christian culture of the Jews or the europeans? The Aladuras is almost exclusively based on Yoruba culture instead of Ogun, Oya, Osun, ifa, Songo, etc, they replace it with Jesus! You must be kidding me that I should tell you about what advantages the polygamy of yoruba has; large family for one, support in time of need for another, good human relationship, and many others, including the fact that no one dare to take advantage or abuse any member o the family! The best is that my prophet (AS) said that we should have large family to mentain Islam and of course continue the hman race on earth! You must be kidding me just like you have been kidding me with all your Trinitarian explanations!

that is besides the point,so please answer my question without hiding under any rationalising explanations,
is it morally right for a man who claimed to be a prophet to take unto himself his adopted son's wife?

Yes because the reality of the issue is that the adopted son is not his true son! My step daughter is not my daughter! Can my son marry her? Yes. Can my adopted son marry my daughter? Yes! Do they have blood relationship and therefore morally wrong? No! It is almost as if people who are next door neighbors who are not related calling themselves family members marrying and someone is shocked by it! Silly reactionary until you look and examine the blood relationship!

You live in England, and the European Royalties marry one another, even as they are related by blood, whereas you are not shocked by it, yet you have mouth agape at no blood relationship but personal desire fake family relationship marrying into each other, one another! I told Davidylan, if he marries a beautiful wife and he makes a mistake to divorce her, David can expect me to take up his "ajeku; the language you used for divorced women" and david and I will not loose any sleep by this! I pray that he marries well, and my statement is just to illustrate the issue!

also,is it not strange and convenient for him that the supposed revelation came about just when he was looking to have the girl/woman to himself?
irrespective of your answer,show me where jesus christ did that,if you cant then isnt it obvious that jesus christ was morally upright than mohammad?
he never married,neither did he kill anyone,he never robbed and he never reversed himself on anything up untill now, food for thought for you m friend

Stop calling me your friend! I will not know yu if I say you and I have not heard your voice before, what kinda friend is that? And Revelation is an answer to question, addressing issues, and explaining and a means of guidance, pointing out merits and demerits of issues; So as to the Marriage of his adopted son, read Surah Ahzah, it was meant to destroy the falsity of "adoption" just like Allah pointed out that the fact that the food of the jews is permissable for Muslims, their culture of prohibition of eating hidlegs is not applicable to the muslims, because Jacob imposed that on himself and Allah did not impose it on Muslim because thats the desire of a prophet Jacob on himself (AS), alone without Allah sanctioning it on anyone else!Jesus intended to kill, he just didnt have the chance the motives were there; reason he showed anger with the Money Changer, proclaimed that he brought in no peace but war, family divisions, abusing people calling them fools, adulterous generations, killing tree, destroying pigs, and commanding the purchases of sword! He was an equal abuser person, verbally and ammonitionally. And nothing is obvious, because Muhammad in many instances as a powerful leader surrounded by strong and bold warriors and supporters, forgave even his mortal enemies, the Makkans, the Jewel in Madina.

Jesus did not forgive anyone as a powerful leader, and there is evidence that he would have forgiven anyone if he was in position of authority, and his turning over the table on the plaza is a telling example. saying that he forgave the woman is an absurd statement, since he should have carried out the symbolic stoning and then say I forgive you with the way that Job did with his wife just by touching her with the 100 blades of grass, jesus could have done it with a small pebble. And at hanging he did not give the thief who did not acknowledge him any mercy. Even Joseph did better since he allowed the wife of his master to confess and did not hold it against her when he was in position of power, and he fogave the butler jsut as well, too!

you are entitled to your beliefs,even though i will continually and repetitevly remind you it is a false ideology you are following!

And I am waiting for you to proof man as god and ghost as god and father on a chair as god, when God Almighty is indivisible and wholesomely One!