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JazakAllahu Khair, ayakallah Muhsin. The color of hearts is based on Taqwa. Like the Hijara Aswat Fi Kaaba (The black stone in Kaaba), it used to be white as milk (no stain), except the children of Adam (initially the direct descendants of Ibrahim 9AS), the Arabs), and others, and then in the time of Prophet Muhammad (AS) mostly Arabs (muslims), and all through now (every nations, colors) the Ummah worldwide, whose sins bleed onto this stone and it is Black today that its called "Aswat) Black!

I guess the believers only see their Hawa (desire), no Shawa (shame)!

And from those who will go to Paradise plenty are Blacks, and while Arab Kufar/disbelievers will end up in Jahannam!

@Tpia: « #17 on: Today at 02:48:50 AM »

^^na Awolowo your kinsman you dey call Kufar?

abuzola must have converted you to an extremist.

Omo iba eni rimi wa! Am my father's son. My late father (ra) did not like him for taking his land where Lberty Stadium was built by eminent domain, and I followed my father step by step!

Kaa son!

@Nezan: « #2 on: September 29, 2009, 11:24 AM »

God took Jesus to heaven where he awaits until the day of judgment when he will return to earth (3,55). Muslim traditions teach that Muhammad died not knowing if he would be judged worthy to enter Paradise - where God has already placed Jesus. Muhammad is Dead and buried in Saudi Arabia. Jesus is alive both with God in heaven (paradise) and in Spirit with his followers on Earth. (Koran 3,55;4,158,159)

This is the great difference between Jesus and Muhammad according to the Quran/Koran. Jesus is alive in Heaven with God and Muhammad is dead and buried. IN MEDINA, SAUDI ARABIA, STILL AWAITING GOD'S JUDGMENT.

The condition of Isa bin Mariam (AS), different from Jesus of the Bible, is with Allah his Creator! In the day of Judgement, he will be unable to make Shiffah (intercession) for the general body of believers! Muhammad (AS) is the one who has been guaranteed that position!

Finally, death will reach Isa bin Mariam (AS) as he comes back to earth, and that is before the day of Judgement, beginning with true resurrection! This resurrection will be peaceful for Isa bin Mariam, along with the death that will come before it!

@Aloy~Emeka: if these people are bad without eating pork, just imagine how terrible bad they could have been! My proof; Right there in Nigeria, in 1966, the coups finally, amongst the military boys, with Jacob (calling himself yakubu) Gowon emerging as leader! The Kufar, and his brother Kufar, Odumegu Ojukwu fought each other destroying Nigeria, almost to ruin, with support of their Kufar brothers, Awolowo, and others! now swallow that after they have killed my brothers, Abu Bakr and Tafa Balewa (ra to both of them)! Dont forget that I am a muslim first, before anything, right there before I was created as a man!

while in medina/yathrib,he and his followers raided yemeni traders going to mecca,then justifying it by saying that they were doing so because they were persecuted while in mecca,remember i explained this to you a couple of dys ago?when i posted the dictionary meaning of "persecute"if you want the relevant hadiths after this,just speedily ask me and ill furnish you, you know me by now i back every assertion up, in my books raiding innocent travellers/traders is the same as being an highway robber,no difference.

Ghazwatu Badr is what you are thinking about, but not Yemeni and it was Makkan Caravan, it was not stealing or highway robbery, but a way for the fisrt war to take place with unprepared just over 300 fasting people to finally standup for their rights! You dont know aything about the wars that the Muslims fought under Muhammad (AS), but you are just pretending to be a scholar on Islam! And as to persecution, what do you think the Money exchangers felt, it not that the felt that they have ben persecuted? I will wait for your response. Buying swords must have a purpose. Please tell me what was the purpose of the purchases as Jesus instructed, since he said earlier, a came with war, not peace?

thank GOD you t least agree to that after the overwhelming evidence i have taken the pains to present lol dont worry i know what is called dar- al harb territory of war which consists of all the non muslim lands which had to be forcefully brought under islamic rule,while mohammad formerly said that the ppl of the book should be let alone and maybe pay jizya,he later abrogated himself,and the sword verses triumphed where he said they are to be killed and the jihad must not stop untill the whole world is dar-al-islam.

You just talk, without a sincillar of truth. But then Christianity dont fight, except Crusade and then Armageddon! No? Continue and your secret will blet out of the bag, as Allah Wills it, you Christian man.

show me a single place,where jesus or his disciples ever used a sword,or violence in the bible,mohammad spilled innocent blood,maimed and killed while jesus christ healed,fed, why d you think judas committed suicide?why dyu think peter had that passion in spite of all they went through for the gospel,some were beheaded for the gospel,imprisoned,burnt at the stake,boiled in hot water e.t.c ask yourself what is the passion and zeal jesus christ a supposedly ordinary man,who was unarmed,no horse or donkey,no money or wife no political power nothing instilled in them,to be prepared to die for him and do everything, mohammad instilled fear and trembling in his followers,he had political power,money,ruled the city of medina with an iron fist,lied contradicted himself e.t.c yet you ppl are losing converts everyday

Jesus didnt use sword per see, but did his followers used it to cut off an ear! And they were ready to use it though even at their perl, except Jesus thought, uhm, they will be killed to nothingness. By the way, go to the post that I made yesterday where I directed you to Muhammad's miracles by Allah! Am sure you are afraid of the truth, yur reason for not referring to all my references!

lol no sire,even though im totally against islam,dont yoke yourself or your religion with northerners holding power,i am a student of politics and in case you dont know,the same thing that happened with the tutsis and the hutus is what happened in nigeria, it was never by merit,but that is by the way,has nigeria ever known peace since they have had power?

I have 4 nieces born in the north. My Igbo wife speaks hausa fluently. Its you who is a darn tribalist here. I will survive in the community of Muslims, anywhere on earth. Take that to the bank! I will put my wife in the front with Igbo mainly Catholic people, I guess $Osisi, in her protestants' ways is a minority there just like me!

go and read your international history,saudi arabia was almost finished,if not for the oil discovery,and dont let anyone decieve you,once america weans themselves off oil like they are doing now slowly but surely,saudi arabia will be powerless and this is in less than 100 years from now by all indications,china will be their only customer and you know as well as i do hell will freeze over before they will allow islam into their country,the governor of gombe invited pastor kumuyi to his office and is building a church, see we r even entering the north now halleluyah

There is a lot of Muslims in China, over 80 to 100 Million people. You must be a great international politics student! Not! And before Oil, Makka and Madina will always be wealthy and supported by the worldwide body of Muslims. And Petrochemical industries will always be in need of Oil, forget the AUTOMOTIVE usage for a moment! Chemical engeering my friend; Polymers, and more petrochemical usages! As long as there is mankind on earth, the Dua of Ibrahim thats already been accepted will not let Makka Suffer and Madina by extension will not suffer! I have a joke of Jewish people for you; they always blame Moses for not turning just an angle slightly from what he took, they would have became the owners of rich oil fields! You dont know any Jew, if you do, ask him!

same as i have so?mine is even better because i am born agan,hence i will not indulge in idol worship like you do,nor fornication and adultery with multiple women

Between you and me, I prostrate my face to One Illah. When I talk to my God, it is One Creator, Al Illah (ALLAH)! You on the other hand, regardless of your "born again" mantra, you kneel to 3 gods; Father on a chair, Jesus on a cross, and a ghost with no name or Identity! When you pray you say to father, oand add son, but never mention ghost, yet you say they are all your gods! No? Now who is the idol worshipper, sncer there is no but One God?

are you serious,now im sure you r just yanking my chain how many contradictions, and glaring ones at that have i shown you on this religious thread?i cant help but laugh out and shout like muslims after friday prayers going for thei jihad

Am not yanking your chains,and am completely serious. Yanking chain belongs to the days o slavery. But I see you avoiding the Biblical verse "Vengeance is Mine says the Lord," and the info that I gave you concerning the Miracles of Muhammad (AS) by Allah's permission, and am sure you will also ignore the verses and the website that I gave concerning forgives! I know your type man. At least you have the backbone to stand up for you belief, regardless of its defiiency, unlike some Jelly-fish like people! Pele.

@Godson2009: « #343 on: Today at 01:19:36 AM »

simply because your mohammad,like i and others have been saying is not only a fraud,confusionist and full of contradictions,is actually the hypocrite of the highest form, let us forget all other evidences and pick just one pattern,his revelations always happen to be when he wants something either coveting his step son's wife,justifying his raiding,justifying his sexual hedonism/orgies e.t.c people are shuting that pastor adeboye is buying a jet,simply because they know it is unlike him,nobody raised an eyebrow when bishop oyedepo bought another one, now imagine all the negative vices your mohammad indulged in,the fact that you learnt from him is not enough to erase his bad records, i learnt from ted bundy not to be a serial killer,i learnt from the nigerians executed in bangkok not to carry drugs there,doesnt change the fact hat some of them are guilty, well lets start from bloodshed the muslims in nigeria have killed the most,the people that has messed nigeria up to its present state are muslims,the almajiris they use are muslims,we have not had any peace because of the arabic on our currency, america's currency says "in GOD we trust"is it not working for them?show me where islam is in practise all over the world,and there is absolute peace??

Fraud is passing up lies intentionally as truth or we may say a hypocrite is a fraud! No? Where did Muhammad (AS) fit either? And where is Muhammad a confusionist, or contradicting, etc? Please proof them up, because I will like them! Hypocracy, hardly him and the revelations if it answers and or addresses issues is that convenience or actuality? Why dont we look at this situation for a moment: When Muhammad (AS) was asked by the jews to describe the "Soul" of Man, he said they should come tomorrow, thinking that Jibril will come down by then. When the Jews came he did not give them answer to their question, and he was saddened, since the Jews thought that they got him as they god your Jesus in the bible! Then Prophet (AS) told them to come the following day. The same situation happened, and of course the same smirkering reaction is what the Jews embark on. Now the prophet asked them to come back the third day and maybe the situation occurred again, or it was this time that Allah sents revelation to Muhammad (AS) with the answer that when they ask you about soul, "say" the knowledge of it is with Allah, and what is told to me is very little" Surah Mariam or Isra. Another is on the day of Id itself after the day of Arafat, when Muhammad prayed to Allah that He accepts all the forgiveness of the belieers. Abu Bakr and Umar (RA) say him with a saddened and unsettled look. They asked him what was with the matter, whereby he responded, only when he smile that Allah had sent Jibril to say to him that all of the prayers have been accepted. Another is in Surah Waqia, where Allah says large group from the earliest generations will enter paradise and small group will enter paradise from the last generations. Muhammad (AS) was very saddened, and Allah asnwered his concerns and gave him the wishes as the verse later in the same surah says large group will be going to paradise in the last generations, whereby ony HYPOCRITES from the muslims deserve to not enter Paradise! Your christian case is what we call the case of Disbelievers.

Finally, did Muhammad (AS) have what is called revelations of Convenience? No and my last proof is Surah Abasa, which was revealed to call him out, simply because he turned his face to another direction only to finish his conversation, before he attends to the "Blind man", immediately after!

exactly,that shows the magnanimity of my father who is in heaven, im sure you have read the lords prayer and i want you to note a specific verse"forgive us our sins, as we forgive these who trespass against us, meaning that forgiveness is based on specific conditions,christianity is so beautiful because the lord while forgiving us,is teaching us the act of forgiveness, ghandi isnt a christian,but his famous quote says"an eye for an eye,makes the world go blind"no wonder the islamic community all round the world are blind,keep on blowing ppl up,and we will be getting more and more converts,haveyou heard of the nigerian pastor in ukraine?he has the largest church in the whole of ukraine, we r moving the lord acknowledges that we are human,and hence susceptible to sin,that is why we are living under grace,you commit multiple sins every single day yet we still go back to him,and he forgives us,mohammad commited all manner of atrocities,yet he s unfairly putting his followers under a rule/doctrine he was not able to fullfill

Stop kidding me because if you have the HOTELIER still alive in Nigeria, and he will be participating in the Ocotober 1st thing, tomorrow, there is no father for you in heaven, though you call yourself GODSON, another gimmick! {Say (O, Muhammad): “If you love Allâh, then follow me, Allâh will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”}; [3:31]., is from Quran showing superior Mercy, just by following Muhammad (AS). I have tons of them in the Quran! You read 'im if you can! And Ghandi spoke very highly about Muhammad (AS) and the eye for an eye is more Jewish, the reason the Jews did not buy the "dont stone a sexual freak", and they had to come to Madina for due Justice! "The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) loves not those who do wrong." The Qur'an 42:40 . Am gonna leaveyou with a website address where you can get materials from Quran and ahadith where forgiveness and mercy are expressed. Just part of what are in Islam; www.ilaam.net/Articles/Forgiveness.html - Cached - Similar

i see,is it worse than your mohammad then who opted to behead everyone who made him angry?remember i told you about the young girls he had killed just for singing a satire mocking him?like davidlan and noetic are always haranguing you,did your mohammed ever forgive?show me one verse that he forgave and ill show you another verse that he didnt forgive, remember i posted a couple of the intolerable and vile stuffs mohammad said,at least jesus never enjoined us not to make friends with non christians unlike mohammad
jesus christ or our own GOD never blocked anyone's ears to salvation like your own vindictive,wicked allah has done, why is it strange to you that he called human beings a nest of vipers,what will you call the group of nigerian politicians or pdp for instance?
what will you call the ritual killers?

I call them all kind of names. But am not a god, you said Jesus was or is, take your pick! I expected people who behaved like me to be human. People who performed miracles to be at least spiritually different from me. If their miracles are from God, as He wishes them to perform for His glory, then they are prophets or messengers. This is different from your Adegboye's miracles, because he chalks his miracles to Jesus, whom I have aready established as a "SERVANT", look at ACTS 4 Verses 25 through 30!

Now if Muhammad (AS) wa vindictive, then no Jew would have existed with their head on their shoulders when they were being told to leave Madina, into exiles because of their treacherous acts against the already established "COVENANT" among all the ctizenry of Madina. I wonder how the woman who poisoned him had her head on her shoulders? I wonder how the Makkans did not die enmasse? I wonder how the Taif people wre not slaughtere with the Biggest slaughter Mankind ever to have been known?

The fact that mild manered Abu Bakr (RA) fought the muslims who refused to pay Zakat shows that whoever is fought or killed were not because of their not being Muslims, or persnal hatred of Muhammad, because they do evil, crime against humanity or community, via Sharia, if they are muslims, or if they are not what the community already agreed upon to keep peace and decency!

he called these who are unrepentant sinners a nest of vipers e.t.c not ppl like me who realised the folly of their ways and turned round to serve the lord,go and read the parable of the prodigal son, that ll answer your question]/quote]Arrogance is what you are showing and showboating and pride are not good!

some of the names or descriptions your mohammad uses for non muslims,now figure out which is better being called a dog or these names,

And Jesus called people vipers, leeches, adulterous generations, evil generation, and from the book of Timothy, I know Jesus was not Timothy, we see "INFIDEL" written in the Bible, and that you will not see in Arabic Quran!

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. q98;6

And the prophets before Muhammad did exactly that with all who do not believe in their ministry? Now, so that you are proven wrong here and now; I will remain a Muslim, inshaAllah, shall I from your Christian eyes destined for Paradise? What about the Jews, and the polytheists, are we all going to Christian paradise if we die in our religions? Without peaching because it will not work here, if we are all good people, doers of good things, believing in One God, and refusing like I do, and Jews do that Jesus is not God, and God does not have any child, what happened? I know the Jews are boastful about killing your god, since you must have participated in your youth dragging the effigee of Judas iscariot all over your naighborhood at easter!

And if We had pleased, We would certainly have exalted him thereby; but he clung to the earth and followed his low desire, so his parable is as the parable of the dog; if you attack him he lolls out his tongue; and if you leave him alone he lolls out his tongue; this is the parable of the people who reject Our communications; therefore relate the narrative that they may reflect q7;176
who was mohammad calling panting dogs??

Jesus also used dog for a whole nation, because they are not from the 12 nations of the children of Israel! Whats your point here: proofing that Muhammad is not a prophett or that Jesus is god? Either way you lose!

Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path. q 5;60
who did he say allah made apes and pigs?the worst and lowest form anyone can be called by a muslim?

I am happy that Muhammad iwas like every prophet that I am going to mention here, so count them to see that Myhammad (AS) was in good company, except they are not prophets or good people. You will have to argue this out here. Noah made sure that the evil people died in the flood that was the biggest flood known to man. Ibrahim made sure the Idols of his family and people were uttherly destroyed. Moses made sure that Pharaoh and his army met their doom. David made sure that the killing filed was experienced by Goliat. May Allah less each of them Amin. Jesus tried in the same way and please deny it if you can; as a young man, he turned over the table of the exchangers, then killed as in drowning pigs, while he was doing a good, I will assume you will accept the drowning of the pig was not that good, since you eat the possessed animal? Jesus called people fools after he said dont call people fools and that will earn you the ticket to hell, and to my surprise the peaceful man, your god asked his companion to buy swords, which actually is in the conformity of "I come not to bring peace but war!" Now give "WAR" here a good spin. I wanna see how you will do in your effort!

the moral of the story,these who live in glass houses dont throw stones alhaji alhaji alhaji

There is no glass house here, sincewhat I have said is the truth. You have three gods, and your human god calleded people fools, after he had escoriated people never to say that that the sayer will end up in hell!

@Godson2009: « #342 on: Today at 12:32:49 AM »

what it means to me,like i have explained to you with an analogy,if paddy adenuga who is the group md of mike adenuga's companies takes some high profile decisions,nobody will question him nor doubt him simply because they know that anything he says has already being cleared with his father,he and his father are one,if your wife goes to nigeria and tells a tenant in your house you built in nigeria to move out,they wont doubt her but beg her as if it was you why?because you are one, i could give you several examples, when i was in nigeria,me and my brothers will go to my dad's hotel and drink and eat all sorts and tell them to put it on director's credit,we are not the owner of the establishment,but they know that man gave birth to us,so we can order to eat and drink and not pay just as if it was the owner,if you dont get it this way,then im sorry

Paddy Adenuga will be damned by his father, if his announcement is going to make them lose say 1 Billion USD! Mike will never stand for that and if he is the Ijebu man that people have spoken about in my hearing! Even his son will never be allowed by the general manager to make an unproittable announcement, and you will see how the Ijebu think comes out of Mike's body and one time may disgrace or even tell Paddy and his mother to get out of his life for ever! You dont know that Ijebu man. In america, his condition was told to me how he will not leave a penny on the table, quick to short change his senior officers until one of them whose wife is a lawyer and a friend of my younger cousin to him to Awujale for decision. Both are Christians and Sikiru is ia muslim and in the age range of some of my older brothers, much much younger than my father's first child!

we all know that death can come anytime,however i shall not die prematuredly but live to glorify the goodness of the lord,pastor adeboye said he will die on a sunday after church during his siesta,and a meal of pounded yam, so he is expecting death and he know but he will not die prematuredly, so we r all expecting death next?

And when Adegboye dies, if he dies on Christianity and not on Islam, I swear by Allah the Creator that he will have a free-pass to Hell fire! And those of mankind who say that they are eager for death and prescribed their own way of dying, if it happens like they say, it is not because they are God, or een good, because Allah may just grant them their wish, either to disgrace them, which they only will see as their soul is being removed from their body by the angel of death. It always amazes me when a disbeliever in Oneness of God is reported to "have died in peace." Do the speakers have seen what the angel of death was doing to each of them? There is no peaceful death for disbelievers, even if she/he dies in the best bedding!

simply because you cant compare both experiences,go and read the biblical accounts of what jesus went through, are you for real??the point is that GOD created both abraham,isaac and jesus christ,so theres no point comparing or contrasting as far as we christians are concerned gerrit??if mohammad wasnt a scaredy cat,why didnt he wait in mecca after the death of his protectors?that is what i call being lazy and spineless,not a man that an iron stake was hammered into his hands and legs,crown of thorns,whipped e.t.c

Moses ran from Egypt to Median. Jesus and his parents ran to Egypt. If he had ran the second time, the hanging, according to you would have happend. This would not have happened is my own conclusion, so that I bring human wisdom to the table. Moses did not lack human wisdom, and neither was Muhammad (AS to all of them)! Please dont sell me a bill of goods because it is not okay to arrogantly stand in front of death and kill yourself. The same reason I amd many muslims complain on about the suicide bombers!

@Godson2009: « #344 on: Today at 01:55:29 AM »

1.yes he did call ppl who deserve to be called fools that,like i said i prefer being called a fool when im acting like one,that being beheaded even while im innocent.

He said those who say that will go to hell. Tell me if ths is true and when he says it if that will not apply here and why?

2.yes he did say he and GOD are one,in the context of the analogy i gave o you about mike adenuga and his first son, the bible is not english comprehension textbook you read through and translate phonetically,one studies the bible not only reading it,that is why you dont have the key to understanding it

"and" a conjuction part of a sentence, denotes there are more than one thing. How can two be one? How can more than one be one? You in a million years can never be in the body of your father, or your younger or older brother or your beloved cousin, except that you are simply you, alone, unique in that respect as you! Try to pass for your twin brother with his wife and you you will "gbo dende oro!"

3.same explanation as no2 ll suffice for jesus and GOD being one.

Bad conditioning and you know Jesus is not God, since Eloi came from his mouth and that Eloi did not die as you claim that Jesus died, when he said it is finished before he gave up the ghost!

4.he needed GOD to do things for him,because he came in human formmoreover,that has already defeated your numerous arguments,because it simply shows that jesus christ acknowledged the superiority of his father, i can ask my father for help,yet if im in nigeria i canrepresent him at some functions and make donations on his behalf,im sure your father's driver will not tell you to get down if you tell him to take you out

Even your cousin , your father's nephew, the son of his twin brother will serve the same purpose, in every respect, if your father is not the discriminating type. But neither you nor yor cousin will pass the muster when it comes to your father's true responsibilities, in the house with the Mrs., or with you the children since you will never be able to get into his account and issue a school fees check to "Oxfort University", where I think you are on your Doctoral research! And if you make a mistake to think your father's driver will bake in the sun while you go inside at your girlfriend's house to perform illicit sex, you will shocked that he will tell you to get out of his face, and your father will support him that you are completely wrong!

5.pls show me where the disciples called jesus servant of GOD?maybe i have not studied my bible to that extent

Acts 4 Verses 25 through 30! Now swallow it and I pray it wakes you up to get away from worshipping a SERVANT! Amin.

6.the issue of the triune has been severally addressed,hence nothing i say will change your mind other than to say stick with your belief and ill stick with mine,as i really cant add anything to the awesome surmissions of the knowledgeable guys on here

At least we agreed on something, except that there is only One God, Allah and from the mouth of Jesus he said Eloi, not Jehovah, not Yahweh. But I am correct here and you know that when push comes to shove, you will turn to 1 God, while all day you shout Trinity, Trinity, Triniiiiiity!

@Godson2009:
[Quote]now i know you have english cmprehension problems sire alhaji lol lol
of course he loves every single person,even you and uplawal,abuzola e.t.c however,he is giving you all ample opportunity to repent,hence telling you what awaits those who dont repent, a teacher will tell you tha i want all of you to pass and be promoted,however if you dont pass,you will repeat this class,is that easier to comprehend for you?[/Quote]I want the love that I get from Muhammad (AS) who was not arrogant to tell me his true position as a prophet/messenger, not shifting one single time about his position, where there is no am god, no an a servant, no am son of god, no am son of man, etc!

But what is interest in all of this is that Muhammad (AS) pointed me directly to the Creator, Allah who holds all the rights to the mercies, forgiveness that I need! I know who my Lord is. Who is yours: Jesus? Or Ghost? Or Father? See where the problem is and the nature of the problem; Multiple choice always lead to a single choice, and in your case will your single choice in the many be the correct, as in "none of the above"?



[Quote]sire,it doesnt work that way,you as an individual cant stand in the gap either for mohammad,or for other muslims the fact that you have not ndulged in what mohammad did does not make it baseless,it is a proven fact, annointing flows from the head down to the feet,if there is no oil on the head,how will it flow to the body??if mohammed was defective,how will you expect the body of islam to balance?
annointed men of GOD ll round the world in christiendom are performing miracles,you muslims are sitting down there saying they r magic or all lies
is there any bonafide true islmic man og allah that can heal the sick,cripple like the k hagins,o roberts,wigglesworth,john g lake e.t.c as you ll notice i intentionally ommitted the powerful men and women of GOD in nigeria so that you dont say they r using magic, these ppl i have mentioned especially john g lake had a stanby medical doctors comfirming the miracles face to face,recorded in medical histories,while he was alive spokane was the healthiest area in his vicinity, show us what your imams have done apart from fatwahs[Quote]Godson, do you know how freaky I am in my head, me, a boy who is actually a boy? The only reason I dont carry out what I suppress in my head and let my hear leaves it alone, is because I read it in the Quran, and I always say what would my Muhammad (AS) would have done in this situation; then I make my stegfar and leave the thought alone. I have the means and the opportunity is always constant in my life! Here in america is just the same as if I would have it if I arrive in nigeria, right this minute!

The argument that old people are "wowo" is not applying to me, and thats the fact that I am truly a muslim, a lion by body and heart! The fact that I am not sleeping with women that are not my wives, is a simply testimony that the head of the body of Islam (Muhammad (AS)), is simply pure as a human being! Copy Jesus who is not a christian here about sex, or copy the unable to have sex "Paul" and see how the hotelier man and his wife, and their parents, I am hoping they still have parents will be unhappy with you, when you are about 40 years old!

And is your argument that Spokane, Washington USA does not have a single sick person? Whats the reason for the many hospitals in Spokane, and wy hasn't this pastor healed everyone of the people who are sick in that town, the state of Washigton and indeed the United States of America![/quote][/quote]

@Godson2009: [Quote]unfortunately i cant read arabic quran,which is how you have been deceiving ppl so that they dont get head nor tail of what the quran is all about, if you want the english one,which i have been posting all over this section i will gladly and without hesitation leave anything i am doing and attend to it quick snap,i dont need to convince you if i have been telling the truth,i have availed you of the relevant hadiths and quranic verses to back up my assertions,i went to school now so i know when writing an academic piece of work you back every point up with evidence,so this is a verry moot point i bet you wish i will lie so that you can destabilize all my arguments and evidence,but i cant i have more than enough evidence[/Quote]I did not know how to read arabic until 1998, the year I actually identified wat Alif was, a simple straight line from top to bottom. You can do the same, since there was a time that you did not know any alphabet, or word, or sentence, and see you now go at reading!To show you that english Quran is not 100% correct, just like English Bible cant be ever correct, considering the many versions, and always updating by current editions, revisions, and publications, in the Quran, a phrase "Kun Fa ya Kun" appears in at least 8 times. "Fa" in arabic is "So" in English! But when the Arabic phrase is being translated to English, the translators say "and" which in arabic is "wa"! This is why I do not use the english Quran, and of course the English Quran, like Yoruba Quran, etc is not used for Salah, etc and I dont know how many times I have said this to the Christians who dont get it! Listen to Arabic Quran, and you will hear the most beautiful rhythemic sound, very melodious without actually singing, then read the english meaning, in your best voice and compare the acceptance levels of both to your hearing, your heart! The arabic Quran wins, hands down!

that is to show you the depht of the bible,how many quranic interpretations are there as well?
how many hadiths?
abrogations?

Quranic Interpretation is not Quran! Hadiths are classified as authentic if it agrees with Quran, the expected Book which Muhammad (AS)'s speeches are based and must explain and agreed with, to the weak, which indicates unlikeliness of it being said by Muhammad. Abrogation is a process of replacing an earlier verse with a current verse better or same value in meaning, having a current application. For example the same situation that a little boy will be conditioned by, will be the same situation that a grown man will be conditioned by, except that the protocols will be different, the same is abrogation! Where is the original Bible, since we know that Quran is in Authentic Arabic?



[Quote]as many different translations as the bible has had,it is the most sold book so far in the whole wide world,also it is the single book ppl tend to have ither in their house or office shelf, it has been centuries since that book was written under the aunction of the holy spirit,and till today ppl are still trying to figure it out but they cant, go and read proverbs and you will see the depht of knowledge, if you love poems go and read the book of psalms?[/Quote]Most sold does not translate to the truest! It just means that it is most popular, agree to because of many factors, and the factors do not mean truthfulness. Lies are easier to accept than truth because of agendas to be fostered: Look at Goerge Bush's and Richard Cheney's and others "Iraqi's WMD that was used for war. And in the final analysis, it is from the lips of Cheney that we heard it as a lie, after Hussaine was already HUNG!



[Quote]what motivation is there to read the quran,apart from the contradictions on one side,and then telling us how unbelievers will have hot coals heaped on them e.t.c get with the programme abeg[/Quote]The bolded is enough motivation. What programme should I get with? The one that will lead to hell? Neeeey!

@Godson2009: « #345 on: Today at 02:12:15 AM »
[Quote]i see,how much did you contribute to building the kabah then?seeing as you wont sit by and watch ppl slaughter pigs inside it if u were the only muslim who somehow happened to be there, your justification is preposterous, how many mosques did you help build in the whole world??
what was jesus christ,jew or gentile?
do you understand why we identify ourselves with christ,and do you realise it has nothing to do with jew or gentile?[/quote]Dont compare me to Jesus, because I am not a spiritual leader, he was in my book, ehile you call him god! You will be unfair to me and doing me injustice, but I will not allow you to deitify me since these seems to be the quality of Jesus that you are tryng to make me accept for myself! He didnt ontribute and if I didnt contribute we will be equal then? No, my brother. I am not the defender of the kaaba. I live in USA, and Kaaba is not in America and I am only a guest in Saudi Arabia, not a citizen there. My good deeds are between me and Allah, and those who know me well. When we hang out, believe me I know how to hang out man, then you may know me better! Jesus was not a Christian, a Jew by tribe not by religion because only his ethnicity was referred in the Bible, not his religion, and he was not a gentile by ethnicity! Your argument please? I am a Yoruba by tribe, a Nigerian by origin, a yankee and 9ja now and always a Muslim, InshaAllah, an almost a Mumin!

if you dont then you have a whole lot of reading to do,before you are conversant with christianity as i am conversant with islam and its core doctrines

You know nothing about Islam. You only accept what your family tradition accept in Christianity, otherwise you would have known that when they say a man overpowers a woman, if she is not yelling no, or help or rapist, she is in a consentual relationship with the male, especially when she is overshadows, because no intercourse can occur except the female is in the frontal part of the male. If you are not married, I see why a virgin man like you will not know. To be a virgin is a virtue, so I commend you, and its not because of Christianity you are a virgin. Further, you would have known that True God will not come on earth true a woman starting from announcing His own conception, mounting His own mother, and coming out a full time pregnancy later, as a baby, needing milk because he is incapable of solid food, yet, needing mom's care because he is incapableof taking care of self. If I stop here, I believe I have made a good argument about your worse knowledge of Christianity, since Jesus himself and the disciples called him, man, prophet and servant, in more places than where one could be unclear about the fact that he may be God, a God, Eloi who is Unseen and whoever see Him, as Yahweh or Jehovah will die, and not live; physical and spiritual death where he is condemned into Hell! Even the Israelites know this, by simply saying to Moses, tell us what God says, because we do not want Him to talk to us, because we know disaster will come right away! I know enough, since my mother used to be Christian, now she is a Muslim, Alhamdulillah. My university roommate is a reverend today in New York City's Baptist Church around the Times Square area! I know enough because I was married to a Christian woman. I know enough because I still know and do business with many christians!

alhaji dont you understand english??judas iscariot did not allow himself to be forgiven, did jesus tell him to commit suicide??
why didnt peter who denied him three times to his face commit suicide??

Godson2009, dont you understand anything? Jesus couldhave forgiven him postmortemly! Even me who is not a prophet knows that God can forgive een the dead, afterall who will challenge Him of His ltest DECISION? Far out, Jesus did not have such an infinite wisdom, and he could not stop hold a grudge, the reason he didn't forgive the man, discounting all that the man did, even following his prediction of betraying him. No? Please give me a good agument against this postulation, and I can raise the bar a notch on you! Maa binu o. Oro lo moro wa o.



[Quote]in case you dont know,jesus christ was asked something similar to this,you know what he answered in his infinite wisdom?
he said sinning is not by what you eat,but by the thoughts in your hearts,what you say and your behaviour towards your fellow man or woman, there are muslims in nigeria who would never touch pork even with a knife to their throats,yet they are the devil in disguise,they kill do rituals e.t.c will them not eating pork or fasting(which are just normal empty rituals)automatically cleanse them?[/quote]So when Jesus said vipers, adulterous and evil generations, and saying a nation of people not be being sinners, mind you but by not being from the nations of the children of Israel, he must be assumed to have thought about it and said the dandiest thing, as he said it out? Thats wisdom, an infinite one, I say! Is that not sinful? And behaving violently towards the money exchangers, and telling his people to sell the few cloths to almost unclothedness and use the cash to buy swords are not things of peace you know, paying attention to his earlier statements of not bringing peace but war. If this statement of not bringing peace but war was not meant by him, your reason for his violent temper, I understand and I will count it as do as I do sometimes, and dont do as I do at other times, because I dont mean it, a sure sign of hypocracy. No? This is why I will now ask you again; is it not hypocracy on your part or on the part of the speaker who said "dont think I come to abrogate the laws and the prophets (and many of you dont even believe these people were prophets anyway), but to fulfill them. Even the smallest jot shall be fulfilled, and whosoever abrogates or encourages other to abrogate, shall be least in the Kingdom"? What shall be the least in the Kingdom relative to Lake of Fire or Hell? Who goes to it, except the one who is the least, knowing fully well that there is nothing lower than the least?

And there are Christians and others who do not eat pork, yet they are also devils in disguise, not only in Nigeria but around the world; maiming, raping, killing, homosexualling, doing the return to the sender because they do not even believe the blood can cure them! If a person curses me, I simply say to him/her that they are not my Allah Who I completely put my trust in. I do not fear anyone, because my Lord has ordainedwhat He has ordained, and I can only change evil wishes from any or group/groups by my supplication and petition in Du'a to Him! Allah says in the Quran "I will not change the condition of a people, until they begin to change it themselves", so the people who are doing things of hell, shall stop, repent and start doing things of Paradise, Allah will protect them from Hell. And those who were on the way to Paradise, but change to things of Hell, then their place in Hell will be assured when they die!

Prophetic predictions are also miracles!

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@Godson2009: You asked for miracles from Muhammad (AS), please see my entries at below titled thread, with details; from entries # 173 through 190 or more, all on page 6. I am sure if I could lift them all or know a better way to connect you to that page I would have. Its also, incidentaly on page 6 of topics on the main religion mother board!
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Re: The Greatest Miracle In Islam
« #175 on: August 30, 2009, 08:52 PM »

@Nezan:« #18 on: Yesterday at 11:07:00 AM »

I believe very soon, olabs will publish his own hadeeths

As long as it is not for Mo' money, mo' friemds . . . . . .
The publishers of ahadith enriches the Knowledge of the community. That was part of the message of the Farewell Addrees of the Prophet (AS).


@Aloy.Emeka: « #19 on: Yesterday at 01:48:05 PM »

It still does not prove the 2 day each creation. It either took Allah a total of 4 days to separate heaven from earth or 2 days, which is it?. You said before that it happened simultaneously so, how can there be 2 days each in separating one entity?. Also, when did Allah separate jupiter, saturn, mars etc from heaven?.You are second guessing about things unknown, which are with Allah. This is different from Muslim arguments about the obvious saying of Jesus; I am not Go, and the other people like Paul say "yes you are God." What personally said was that you could look at it either from the 2 days period for heavens and earth as a simultaneous thing! You can also say that during nourishments of 2 days the something, say the heaven is created as well. In short, however you slice it the whole pie of pizza is like 6 days. You can eat it slowly or greedily, it will not be more than a pie, 6 days is what Allah says he created all things, and we know that there is no 8 days within a week, or is there?

Am sure if you can argue that Allah was insinuating 7 days after 6 days have been mentioned, you would be doing it. Since this is not possible, your 8 days argument defeat itself since there is no 8 days in a whole week!

@Aloy~emeka: « #5 on: Yesterday at 02:38:24 PM »

So you can be doing evil and still receive blessings from Allah as long as you say AS?. Shouldn't Allah measure obedience through your heart and not what you recite?

the christians say what goes into the body through the body is not important, the reason they give for eating pork, even no prophet and the human god Jesus did not eat it and showed disdain of it by sending demons into it.

Now Aloy~Emeka is playing the same game in reverse, about the muslims, maybe to justify his usage for the Christians, later? So that you know, Aloy~Emeka; the muslims are not supposed to do evil, whether they give the teslima or no. The Teslima as it is given in Commandment to seek good, as I have said, is an addition to "the ways of doing good" in place. Say whats in place in the many ways of doing good, is 1000, just add the Teslima to it at the 1001st way! You see how generous Allah is; giving us in every way, any and all ways to receive mercy from him? Yet you dont have to do evil, and if you do any evil, there are many many ways and teslima is one of them to seek forgiveness.

Now you know that what you say out is important as it is part of you, the inner you. What you take in (eat) is also important as the saying goes; you are what you eat. Those who eat pig will be piggy (greedy) and or be filthy!

I went to your website, Nezan and am happy to report that the contributor said, "if the story is true", as he was informed from where he god it, the asked the question, based on a particular verse of the Quran concerning Muhammad (AS) as a warner to people who had never received warners before. These two questions are legitimate and here are the answers to them.

The fact that "if" was part of the opinion, then we may say as Muslim that it is not true, condering the many lies that entered Torah, Injil for starter. Everyone including phanthom writers and Paul and the gang wrote all the Bible and put their own spin, example is calling human God!

The other issue of Muhammad (AS) being the warner to the Makkans who did not been warned before is the same issue with the Children of Israel not been warned until either Joseph, a member of the first generation of children of Israel or Moses who was truly their first warner, as the Children of Israel were fully established and needed a salvation from the yoke of slavery in Egypt, so does with the arabs, who were not even formed in Makka, during the lifetime of Ibrahim or his son Ismail, based on the fact that the focus was shifted to the children of Israel, a branch of the house of Ibrahim , through younger son Isiaq, the father of Jacob who was the father of the children of Israel!


Muhammad (AS) the last prophet came from the branch of the children of Kader, who was a child of Ismail, the son of Ibrahim. Did the Qurashi get established in the lifetime of Ibrahim and or Ismail? No! so now we see that the idea that the makkan were not warned until Muhammad (AS wraned them, just as the children of israel were not warned until Moses (AS)! In my book the best (Muhammad (AS)) was saved for last.

Now I simply asked googlle this question: Is that a pligrimage to Makka before the islam of Muhammad, and my surprise is that the christian arabs were reported to have made Hajj. Sometimes less than two months ago, I read some NL entry where some notable names of people from Christianity and or Judaism went to kaaba!


@Abuzola: My Allah reward you for your ffort and the standing firm against disbelief. This is llah's statement in Quran's AlMaidah when He warned the community that if it slacked in commitment to Him, he will change them with people anew dtermined and firm in Iman, soft to the believers and hard, as required and when necessary hard against the disbelievers! After this i lave Nezan, alone.

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I am going to force anything down your throat. To do that you have to have throat throat always connected to gut! I didnt see any throat, the reason you do not know that Adam is (1st generation) while Nezan is generaion 100 exponetial X, have longer years and more diluted blood relationship, compared to Harun a much later generation after Adam's generation, in harun's realtionship to the closer and same ethnicity person named Mariam Umm Isa, a woman whose generation is much earlier than still living Nezan!

If nezan can get this where is the throat that allows anyone to force feed him truth, reason that we may assume Oxygen dont get into that body! A stiff dont have to caput before one knows that he/she is a stiff!

I dont have to explain anything. Every human is son or daughter of Adam. If Adam could be called your father, looking at how remote that is, by generation and location, very generic compared to the specific tribal relationship between Harun and Mariam Umm Isa bin Mariam, who have much much fewer generation bewteen them compared to first man and still alive Nezan!

Dont you know that Nezan is one of the children of Adam? Nezan is confused! Nezan was confusing Adam for the man in 9ja!

Look at this man; your heart divided between three gods, never fully with one of them, will not let you get it! I posted a website, and if you remember, check your Bible for the Building Ibrahim built for his God! Is the Building destroyed? NO. That building is the Kaaba. This verse is one of the few truly uncorrupted verses still in the Bible!

@Aloy~Emeka: Did you read my saying that the Teslima is

1). Obeying Allah.
2). A means of receiving good, reward from Allah.

You unconsciously missed the last time of the first Paragraph. Here is its again, and my talking about store full of survival equiptments is to show you that the muslims have many simple things to do to get the blessings, mercy and forgiveness of Allah, but you know the truth, but decided to cover the truth anyway!

Allah (SWT) says in Surah Azhab says to believers, give Muhammad (AS) SALAAM, TESLIM, when his name is mentioned, if you know what is good for you. So when we say (AS), we are actually obeying Allah so that we receive the "good" that He says in that Surah!

i wo omode yi, o ti sunlorun yi ni? its wednesday, already newzealand!

Nezan:

See why I say your reasoning is deranged? you now refer to Abraham's slave girl as his wife, but you were busy defending mohammed that the other women that were attributed to him were slave girls. What a warped reasoning

Let me ask you; are you more spiritually conscious, as in reverence to God, that ibrahim? If your answer is yes, then you are the deranged man, except that you do not know! if your answer is no, then, I will ask you if you participate in adultery? If you say yes, then you are an immoral man who should be stoned to death for cheating on his wife! If your answer is no, then I ask you; are you out of your mind to then think that Ibrahim will sleep with a princess, not in time time of war, as a captive of war, except that he married her as a wife, the reason she bore him as son!

« #43 on: Today at 01:11:49 PM »  
Ishmael was never the covenant child. The covenant child was Isaac. I asked you to give me evidence of where all your fairy tales were recorded but you could not, instead citing the koran which was written over a thousand years after the purported event occured!

This man is a straw man for sure! You are the man who will tell a friend of Allah of which is son is the son of covenant? SubhanAllah! The sign of covenant according to your Bible was the circumcision; and Ismail got it as a youth, before Isaiaq was  born! Which covenant; the one recorded in the some part truth some part lie book you called the Bible? And because it is many millieniums earlier than Quran makes it correct, when we see obvious inconsistences? You must be jiving me!



[Quote]You mean Abraham left sarah to live with Hagar??[/quote]Its a shame that you rae so green when it comes to women/wives and husband relationship. But then every man with one wife are like this! Do you know that those who have more than 1 wife, may have two or more omes? You take Ibrahim (AS) a friend of Allah to be so callous that he will abandone his son for a wife? You must be kidding me! Are you afather or you are just deficient of true emotion? A wife can lie to you and a means of test, and so does a child, but if both lie, you will tend to want to establish a relation with your offfspring tan a spouse! Look; we see that Noah lost a son and a wife to the flood, because of their disbelief, while Noah was lamenting about his son and not the wife! Lut lost a wife to disbelief in the raining of brimestones, and we did not hear him lamenting about her. The wife Pharaoh, Aasia, did not lament about him either!

Proof of continued relationship of Ibrahim with his son Ismail (AS) is the fact that the descendant of Isiaq (AS) spoke about him; Jacob and is sons/daughter, thogh the daughters were not mentioned! And Ismail was reported along with his brother Isiaq to bury their father Ibrahim when he died!

Just give me the evidence and stop yapping!!

I know I yap! Unfortunately, in my yapping, everything I say i true, but your heart shredded between 3 gods will not let you get it!

Ibrahi and Islail (AS) and the building of Kaaba.


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@Nezan: « #40 on: Today at 11:41:34 AM »

@olabowale; you see how deranged your reasoning is? Abraham existed hundreds of years before. Everything he did was recorded in the Jewish Torah. Know you come and tell me that you believe that he built a mosque with ishmael which the koran recorded over a 1000 years after the purported event occured?

Since Abraham's life was recorded in the Torah without this event, it is totally correct to refer to this record, written over 1000 years after Abraham lived as a forgery.

My reasoning is not deranged. Far from it! There used to be a time that people was made to believe that the earth was flat. The powerful Church, took the position and killed plenty of people who had a different opinion! Today, after so many centuries that the Churched prevailed and executed many, that archaic belief is now disbelieved. But yet this now discarded church position used to be the only truth and was long the standardized belief of what the earth is!

So if one follows your above idea, about Ibrahim, who was not a Jew and not a Christian, one will die ignorant, not considering that his original home of this man was the ethnic city state "Ur" in mesopotamia present day Iraq! Then he traveled to Egypt where Pharaoh gave him Hagar as a wife. hagar was a coptic tribe egyptian princess! And the first son and usually first son will be the only son for a period of time until the second child was born, was Ismail, from this Egyptian Coptic! From islamic point of view, while you blame Sarah because of her jealousy for her yoir son, Ismail and her mother were separated from the house as a test, a decision made by Allah on Ibrahim based on his affirmation of faith in Surah An Am, verse; 162. Allah says in many verses of the Quran, that do believers think that they say they believe and not be tested? The test of Ibrahim (AS) was the separation of his household, the yong wife of this old man, and his only child away from the main house, settled in a far away barren land; Makka!

If is a proof to his faith and the faith in resolve in Allah that the young wife with a young baby accepted their fate, as Ibrahim (AS) return to the main house! The events of their lives a short time later, for mother and son, became the part of hajj that are the running between the two mountains called Saffa and marwa. later as the event of slaughter of a son by Ibrahim was being carried out and the ransome that followed became the jamrat or the stoning of the devil, who was tempting mother, and also temptempted father so that the dream of a prophet would not be fulfilled! And the ransome became the slaughtering of animal the day after Arafat!

Now that I have established clarly that Ibrahim was in Makka where his young wife and the apple of his eye settled in, I wil now give you the proof that after the flood of Nuh (AS), and upon Ismail becoming a child in the age that he can help his father, they built the Kaaba and Ibrahim called mankind to make Hajji, vis a vis, there is a place around the Kaaba, in the general (NE) of the black stone (E), known as "Maqam Ibrahima" position of Ibrahim!

Read Surah Baqarah Verses 121 to 127.

@$Osisi: « #96 on: Yesterday at 07:42:35 PM »

why should I post different arabic korans to you?
It's enough for me and the readers to know that there are at least 7 types of arabic korans floating around
and there are hundreds and hundreds of English translations bringing to light the lies you love to tell about the Koran and making fun of the Bible for having translations when the Koran also has translations and different arabic types.
That is a point that has been brought to light

Osisi is the type of woman yoruba people label "Pami nku sori benbe soko!" I will translate it to english because I want your Yemisi friend in Texas to give you the Igbo version or Oyinbo meaning. Kini big deal. But no one makes Salah with the English Quran. No one reads English Quran and says to people of knowledge that he has just fished reciting Quran. $Osisi, you are acting as a woman in despiration. No one in Islam will take you seriously if you say English is the language of Quran or the meaning of Quran in English is Quran.

When Allah says that people who do not believe that the Quran is from the Creator should endeavor to write a similar Book, matching it in richness, etc, or it was even shortened to a single chapter. If English was presumed as a parity language for this, many authors would have taking a crack at it. But everyone, including the disgraced Christian Texas resident Anoosh Sorish (I hope I am correct in his name), began to pen something in Arabic, which they failed very badly!

They did not want to copy the Quran, hence their "Furqan" took the style of the Bible! Allah is truly Akbar. The style of the Quran, after all these years, no one can imitate it! That in itself is a miracle of the uniqueness of Quran!

@Aloy.Emeka: « #15 on: Today at 04:10:18 AM »

How did allah nourish what he hasn't created?. If he created heaven and earth simultaneously, why didn't the quran tell us about it. Wouldn't that give allah more glory?.

He is Allah and not allah! Allah says He created Heavens and Earth and all things in 6 days. It happens that the period used for Heavens is what is mentioned for earth; 2 days! This should at least should get you thinking, whether ther happen to be created simultaneously, or not, but the have exactly the same time! That in itself is glorious, and He did not say anyting participated in the creations, unlike what you have of the Bible, a mere creation of human becomes a thing asked by "father!" Read about the noursihing, again. That came after creation of the earth! No? And if you have a proof of what you said, different from what I said, please dont be shy.

Again, you said the earth and heaven were joined together according to the quran. What is the need to do a creation if they were already there as Siamese twins. Assuming it took allah 2 days to divide them, how did the 2 days turn into 2 for each side?. It just don't add up.

I am not Allah and the full knowledge is with Him. Having said that, as a human being, Allah brought them out, as He wished, joined together. Then in furthering the creation process to the final process, He separated them. Yet when it was needed, as the earth continues to be unstable, because it shook, He stabilized it, and eradicated the shaking by planting firmly moutains, as stabilizers! All of these, includin all the nourishments, and all the creatures could have been done in just a single command, but He wished it in a measured process, so that it is a good example for our mental capability to understand. Yet, you Aloy. Emeka, a very intelligent man, is asking all these questions!

Muhammad and all the Messengers and prophets, from Adam, to include 124,000 of them in human history, includes Jesus, son of mary all carry the same good wishes (AS)! Allah (SWT) says in Surah Azhab says to believers, give Muhammad (AS) SALAAM, TESLIM, when his name is mentioned, if you know what is good for you. So when we say (AS), we are actually obeying Allah so that we receive the "good" that He says in that Surah!

In many Surahs, and specific the last ayah of of Surah FAJR shows that Muhammad (AS) and all believers are destined for Paradise! You know, a black American Imam said some thing about this teslima and others that muslims say, for example astafirullah, subhanallah, alhamdulillah, etc, are like a storage of weaponry and survival kits. If you are a survivalist, preparing for an expedition in a hostile location, you do not carry the whole storage load with you. But take a few multipurpose tools, that you can also combine with others on you to do what I call transformer solutions, while you are playing McGaiver. The objective is that you survive the outing, with all that is within your reach. Yet you still have chance to use others from the same storage room, when you are preparing for another different kinda of outing, each time!

@Noetic15: « #17 on: Today at 02:08:14 AM »
[qoute]1. A and B cannot both be true . . . , what was the content of what jubril gave mohammed? where is it written in your koran?

[/quote]Sure, the two A and B, can be both true and for Quran, it is. A person who cant read who begins to memorise a very deveoped form of knowledge is not less than inspiration, to have been able to keep all of the Quran in his heart! For sure. oral history which is how the yorubas know that they are from Lamurudu through Oduduwa, does not dimish the truth of it! If humans among themselves could have provided accurate ethnic history, then it should be not so difficult that Allah the Almighty will make the heart of the Messenger (AS) under the tutorial coach Jibril, to expand so that it absorbs all forms of "Knowledge", and the best knowledge of all is the Quran, in pure Arabic. Yet am a lover of the pretty Yoruba language! Read the Quran, man. Lt me help you with just a verse; Chapter 16, verse 43, should set you on your way to enlightenment!



[quote]2. Now I understand why u are highly disrespected by non-muslims. I initially thought that twas due to differences in opinion/religion. But on a second thought, it is largely due to your folly and subsequently ridiculous retardness. so u still have the effrontery to talk about noetic1-15. . . . .u are a ridiculously shameless gabby.

Good for you. Afterall you are "incrowd" with them now! And if Muhammad (AS) had those who disrespect him, you among them, am I supposed to be shocked now that you turn on me, as a bulldog? Noetic 1 through 100, its up to you to show the person you are, by home training and or what you acquired by virtue of what you have learnt through independent interraction with people that you have met through your life journey, so be my guest!

Its easy for you to insult your Creator by calling Him an idol, and His prophet as a liar, yet you an ordinary man, still 20something or at the most 30 years old, have the audacity to rogue around, disrespecting 1.5 Billion peoples, of not worshipping 3 gods or Gods that you worship, and you are angry that I pointed out to you a change of ID, from Noetic, to Noetic 2, and so on and so forth, whereby now you wrote 15! But then when you call me Olabs, where did I insult you and call you for not only shortening my name, (my true name), but adding "s" to it! I wo omode yi gb iru e ri? A person whom I am clearly in her fathers age group calling me agbaya or adodi and others, does not deserve my response. Now the one who he and my older boy are practically man to man, calling me a maigauard, with all my successes "Alhamdulillah", where I could in my own effort, witout any influence of others in Nigeria, could walk in to any corridor of influence in Nigeria, and be recognized by my first name, can anyone employ me as a maiguard?

The truth is that most of you young people dont use your senses and when you talk to elders you go beyond all boundaries! I repeat, no one of you on Nairaland have a parent who can employ me, except that i make him become a poor man within few weeks of salary. My sons went to Universities in America without a single grant, loan or monies from any government, or authorities. And I as their father never take anything or ask for anything that does not belong to me. I do not care for lies and liars. And am not perturbed by what a person says to me that is not me, just the same way that you and others have lied against Allah, Islam and Muhammad (AS), I do not mind your lies; men and women.

I will be in Nigeria this december, and I will spend a whole year there, and I would not miss any of my responsibilities, and I dont think a maiguard can afford that, nor adodi and agbaya will have 2 sons both successful and well groomed professionals! Enough. And am back to dawah, less I will not be doing my part as a muslim against your disbelieving heart!

3. do u know that it has been historically proven that the koran was written 300 years after mohammed had died of poison?

Abu Bakr and Hafsa (RA) must have lived just at that time. No? Then, later on, after Umar bin Khattab (RA), Uthman Affan (RA) wrote many ORIGINALS from the Single Masterpiece! Some 300 years it is! What a historical guganaut! This deserve a Zikizm category!

whats the meaning of the rubbish above? why not just answer the question? , . why is islam and your folks afraid of the truth?

I said the exact same thing when I first read your rubbish. But then I said, well, this is classic Noetic14! But I need to indulge him, just one more time.Afterall, he may perchance receive guidance by Allah's Mercy, before dies. In all your bruhaha and bravados you have never been humble enough to count yourself as just a human who doesnt know everything! Even the Bible recorded some truth about Jesus, his lack of full knowledge, his submission to his Lord; Eloi, his slumberness, hunger and wariness, etc. You, Noetic14 sound very arrogant, and that is always the first sign of spiritual defeat! Aburo, mo fi Olorun be e, drop the garment of pride and arrogance!

Nezan just learnt that it is possible to do two things at the same time, like breath and sleep? Lol! Nezan is so basic, it is sickening! Osisi, come rescue this dude, he needs a defibillator, I think before he becomes a stiff!

@Nezan: Quran is evident enough, a revelation by the Lord of all creations. Read about the Kaaba in the Quran and googllle it for books and references from the Arabs. I am a yoruba man, and whatever your tribe is in Nigeria, I know more of the yoruba history than a typical non yoruba man or woman, and you know more of yours than a typical non same tribe as you Nigerian man or woman.

Actually my reason for responding this evening is that I was reflecting about the many lies of the non Muslims about Allah; some say that He is an idol called allah and support their argument with te fact that the name was known before Muhammad (AS) and the idolators used to acknowledge this, and this is the reason that abdallah the father of the prophet was so named. Others called it one of the structures as the moon-god house in Kaaba among the 359 others. Yet others say it is the specific idol of the tribe of Quraish, elevated over the other arab tribes! None of these and other attachments of Allah of Islam to idolatry is true.

Let me answer all of these allegations in few sentences: [b]If Allah of Muhammad's Islam is any of these as the enemies of Islam assert, when Muhammad (AS) began his ministry by announcing the destructions and the unworthiness of worship of all idols of all kinds, would the Quraishi, indeed, his Uncles Abu Lahab (Surah 111 was revealed to confirm his tragic demise as a dsbeliever along with his wife's), and Abu Sham (known as Abu Jahal), would they have risen up along with almost all of the Quraishi to oppose him? Would they not have been jubillating as he would have elevated their tribal god over all others, which it would have been a good reason for the Quraishi to actually plan to destroy all of the idols, except 'allah' their own alone to be left as the symbol of this tribal 'victory?" Further, when Makka was opened and muslims under the leadership of Prophet Muhammad marched in to the Kaaba to begin to destroy the idols, would they not have kept the idol 'allah' of their Quraishi ethic tribe? Has anyone destroyed his own god before, except Judas Iscariot who caused the demise of his own leader, Jesus the god of the Christians?

Finally, they muslims have a name for moon; Qamar, a name for sun; Shams, a name for star; Najm, a name for earth; Ardhi (earth sounds like it. No?), a name for heaven; Sama'a, a name for mankind; Nas, a name for stone; Hajara, a name for tree; Shajara, now where and what are the the names or what is the name of all of these individual or collective created identified objects, things, items, if you deny that muslims' Allah is not it, for muslims?[/b] The Muslims say their Lord is Allah. Even the non-muslim arabs have not said that they are wrong, except some due to pressure from their puppet masters from other cultures find an umbrella to argue outwardly about the preIslamic usage and existence of the same word as a deity, but internally like many people who are arrogenat and therefore refuse to bow to the One Whom all Bowing is due, they stick to their firmly to their wrong ways.