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@Godson2009: « #300 on: Today at 06:32:27 PM »  

well,i am an individual,and i dont represent the whole christiendom do i?back to the topic at hand i used the phrase all other religions in the context of the time when  patriachy was the order of the day which reflected on religion as well dont digree stick to the topic will you,as im not falling for that one

The yorubas say "we are chupping off his hand and he is putting a ring on the finger!" When this keferi guy, Godson2009 is cornered he suddenly becomes the individual and not the representative of Christendom! Imagine me saying that here, and the keferis will pile up to milehigh in there laughter, their eye-pupil rolling down their cheek! This people can lie with straight face, without blinking at all! You are in a good company man, individually with davidylan who have not taking up the mucky water face at sunset, yet this dude is an experimentalist! You are in good company religiously with Osis who as a doctor knows that one Child can not be father and spirit, appearing in three places all at the same time!

without going into too much details,i beg to disagree, mohammad wrote the quran and it is obvious by the several human errors namely the contradictions and the several changes and abrogations that a normal human being trying to play god wrote it [b]let me ask you is it possible for the supreme GOD to either make mistakes or reverse himself?[/b]it is a trick question and i will be waiting for your answer  and the assertion about jesus christ and his hanging has been  explained to you in the minutest details so i will avoid that

I know you will avoid the minutest details of the hanging that never was! But your question if the it is possible that the Supreme God will make mistake, have a NO anwer from me.

Then the other is if the Supreme God will reverse Himself, will have a No answer from me, as to whetehr is reversal from good to bad, in the sense of say "I will not punish you, regardless of what you do" to "I will punish you because you a disbeliever, or doing evil!" But this actually speaks to your Bible which has shown injustices by Jehovah allowing the Children of Israel a guaranteed Paradise and will always be rght regardless of what they do; evil to extreme evilness! Now I am waiting to see where your effort leads to that I educate you about Islam, and at thesame time cream you by pointing out the evil in your book!

@KunleOshob: « #6 on: Yesterday at 04:05:09 PM »

I am not one of those christians that subscribe to the trinity concept as i believe it is one of the man made concepts that found it's way into christianity and it does not have any sound biblical or logical basis rather it oozes of overzealousnes on the part of the proponents.

This is the cornerstone of the Christian part of the Bible; Gospel, Trinity, death and resurrection and blood atonement and salvation! If you are not a believer in the Trinity, then why are you a Christian? I would not remain a muslim if I see a thing that I completely disbelieve its possibility in Quran. Quran makes humanness possible; the happiness, the sadness, the anger and the love and all emotions inbetween them! It also allows me to know that I could not have more than a single Creator, a God full of power, knowledge and always alive! This makes Him very Unique and I will not fall for a person in the street now, or if I were alive 5,000 years ago, or after that time or anytime that a man walking about, looking like me telling me that he created me, gave me life, while he and I share same human characteristics!

Only the most gullible fall for such a belief! My mother was able to willingly leave Christianity when I asked her why are you a Church goer, a Christian, a Bible reader, etc, if you do not believe all of these that Christians do believe? Alhamdulillah and I did not have to force anyone but God sees the heart and made it easy for those Whom He made Muslim!

The bible makes it clear that Jesus is the son of God and that his father is superior to him. As per the case of Islam, i have also scrutinized and i can confidently say it is a 90% man made religion with a few truths plagiarized from the bible and the torah.

Kunle, you need to realise that God is Unique and above all imaginations that man puts on Him, in their desires; God does not have parents and He is not a parent, which will destroy His Creatorship on one hand and the other His Uniqueness, not having a resemblance to man or man to Him! Your assertion that Quran has anything to do with Torah or Gospel is unfounded, similar to me having anything to do with you except the obvious; history of mankind, yorubas, and nothing else!

@Olaadegbu: « #84 on: Yesterday at 04:08:42 PM »

Jesus was God in human form. If I give you a small slice of cheese from a large block (the taste being constant throughout the whole block of cheese), and you spit out the cheese saying you hate the taste, then you reject the whole block. Jesus was God manifest in human form. If the Jews rejected Him, they rejected the Father also. He who is of God hears God's Words. The Apostle John later stated in his epistle,

"Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: (but) he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also" (1 John 2:23)

An the Apostle Paul further explained:

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." -- 1Timothy 3:16

so when the human form was killed then Christian God was killed, then? God of the Jews, when they were Children of Israel was not known as a triun, or in trinity! Moses aught to know God more than anyone, including Jesus who was reported to have seen God even in your Bible in any special ocassion that no one was there! And no one saw God.

Now, Moses was reported to have spoken to God many times, way more than Jesus did! Moses knew God to be One Single God! While Jesus first appeared at the first Word soken as God commanded light to come out, heavens and earth were aready commanded to come about! This tells you even from your Bible that God was always indepenedent and was able to do without Jesus, a mere word to the Speaker Who Spoke many many words; and will see that if your concept is true, everytime God spoke, a Jesus would be assumed to be accompanying the speech!? How many Jesus could we have had, if we shall only restrict this phenomial situation to just up to when the dove flew (this is ridiculous if one imagine the distance of heavens to out ability of sight!), from heaven with the "GATE" Opened, and specifically the manty conversations God had with Moses!?

Olaadegbu, it does not make any sense. Your concept that is. I will leave Paul alone so that he can lay shaitan with you, until you open your heart for guidance!

@Davidyland, $Osisi, Godson2009 and Nezan: « #28 on: September 22, 2009, 06:54 PM »

and no muslim has been able to help us find this love of allah?
$osisi (f) « #29 on: September 22, 2009, 07:23 PM »
I wonder why.
GODSON2009 (m) « #30 on: September 22, 2009, 09:31 PM »
mohammad professed love when he wanted to marry aisha at 6 years old,
also when he was going to consumate their marriage after waiting patiently for W HOLE 3 YEARS
Nezan (m) « #31 on: Yesterday at 05:14:28 PM »
lol @ Godson,

I threw a challenge to $Osisi, and anyone of you can throw your hats in the ring! I said now, will she let me mentor a child from her into Islam, if I show verses in the Quran about Love of Allah to the believers? Indeed His warning of your disbelief and consequential justice that will follow is Love. Love in that you are warned of impending disaster so you should change your ways or face the everlasting consequences!

Is any one of you capable of entering the deal with me that I nurture a child from you into Islam since I know that your hearts are rough, coarse, and hard into worshipping three gods. At least the children will carry your names, I dont change family trees, but they will be my rewards into Islam for being victorius over your ignorance, because I show you verses of Quran that express Love from Allah!

@$Osisi: « #27 on: September 22, 2009, 06:33 PM »

I ask again
where does allah profess his love?
Is this not a simple question?
What right does the Nigerian Muslims have to borrow a Christ concept of the love of God and paste love of allah all over Lagos like people don't know that allah is a bearded man holding a giant hammer looking for who to strike down.
Why must you people be copy cats?
Is it not enough that you plagiarized the Bible and the Talmund in the time of Mohammed.
Why can't you folks be original and stop the deception?

Allah is love indeed
he loves to deceive

If I show you that Allah mentioned Love from Him to believers, many times in the Quran, I know you are a lost soul already sold on the evil tradition of worshipping man god, ghost god and father god, will you name that child in your tommy after a name that I will provide in igbo language and let me mentor him/her into Islam?

You should have the backbones to answer without any delays! I hate been kept waiting. A light coming to your life through your baby is completely better than the darkness that hovers over you through your own hard heart and other means based on tradition. I want to break the tradition for the sake of Allah.

@$Osisi: « #23 on: September 22, 2009, 02:49 PM »

Osisi, welcome back, from whereever!

where is the love of allah
why una dey dodge the question?

My greeting to you was bolded, yet you ask where is the love of Allah (while you write it as I write the three gods)? Osisi, let me ask you, if there was no commandment from Allah that I should be kind to almost all, why do you think I greet you, a sign of love?
If I could be this kind, and your response is hard, then who is really a lover? Where did I find it in my heart to show you love from afar? Allah (SWT).

Now, where did you find it to show me hardness of heat and pure hatred without masking it at all, day in day out? Definitely from your gods! No doubt.

$Osisi, take your stand, there is a day of reckoning!

@Aloy Emeka: Sperm id like water. Right? Now if a single life sperm enters the female egg, the end result, in the ideal condition is a healthy child being born, say 9 months later!

Now think hard; how is it possible that this simple egg and sperm fusion becomes a healthy baby consisting of skin, flesh, blood and interestingly bone? Now what stages could the egg and sperm combo must have gone through before becoming a baby outside the mother? You will find many stages like the many stages that butterflies go through. One of that stage for man and woman sperm and egg combo on the way to baby is the "Blood Clot"!

If your knowledge is gotten from the above quoted www, then get ready to have good education by www.answering-christianity.com

Sleek29: « #25 on: Today at 10:00:43 AM »

@abuzola, who made him commit suicide?, God or the devil ?, and matthew 27:6 reads like this '' But the chief priests took silver pieces and said, ''it is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood'', its verse 5, read well before posting, he confessed to those that sent him, guilt made him commit suicide, he allowed himself to be used by the devil and he paid the price.

You dont know anything about the Jews and money uh? You dont even know anything about mankind and money! You know about the thieves and the highway robbers known as Nigerian Bank executives who gave monies to their Churches or houses of worship. Can you tell me how many houses of worship of churches returned the monies? These are Nigerians and the Jews are money crazier, and you are saying the Jewish priest didnt keep the money, when they were not even part of Jesus lover group inthe first place?

You see how the Bible just say whatever and you just take it without thinking about the plausibilities? That condition in the Matthew 27;6 is something that will not happen, not in a million years, otherwise if Ben Laden is capture or killed by the information provided by a Christian Missionary associate, and the ransome money is given as contribution to the church, say 10,000,000 USD, so you think the church will reject such priced money? You must be kidding me, when Bin Laden is public enemy # 1 to them, the exact same thing Jesus was to the Children of Israel and the Priests!

@Goodson2009:

you dont have to commit adultery to have sinned,but mere looking at the woman lustfully and thinking unlcean thoughts is adulterous in itself,so the fact that you have your hair and arms covered will not prevent adultery or fornication.

if a woman was fat or slim or curvy,will the hijab cover that too?
if a woman had a heavy rear end or bossom will the hijab hide that?
if a woman looked sexy or beautiful,will the hijab hide it?
so what exactly is it hiding of the woman's honour olabowale

And you said above in your post mere looking is enough as it dirty and bad thing, yet you have the way with in all to know all the above? Hypocrite this man Godson2009 is. No?

This dude is a shark instead he parades himself about as a jelly fish!

And by Allah, I am not under the authority as in prophetic period of Jesus. So arrest? Never happening. You guys should keep cuffs ready, and you will be ready; forever and never happens!

so the few women you know out of hundreds of millions of islamic women are enough to make a conclusive judgement on the wants of women?"that kind of though process is called"tunnel vision mind set" fr the sake of the children you will be bringing into the world,i will advise you not to have children even if you decide to have as many as ten wives because im not ready to foot any child's bill with my tax neither are billions of christian tax payers who only have one wife and at the most 5 children.

I need no hand out man. Allah has blessed me. I pay taxes in America and in Nigeria, too. I already have two grown sons, so your advise is 26 yearss too late! But am going start up just about now because I have money to prepare for whatever it takes. And by the way, if you went to Ijero Ekiti, you will find the kayodes. Their father had many many wives. many many wives I said. Each wife had as many children as God permitted. One of the children is a pastor or reverend in NYC, and was college roommate! I guess even the Christians are not even listening to you! They are not listening to Jesus either, and they are doing more than Muhammad (AS) recommended! So whats their fate in the house that Jesus went to prepare; which room do they end up? Lol!

even if i dont know what women want,one thing i am sure of is that no woman wants to be collected like football jerseys,and hidden away in a back room,covered up from head to toe, im sure thats why uplawal can come online soo much seeing as she has nothing to do but stuck in a room all covered up all day muslim style.

Dont lie to me. I know your type, you change them like a used up bootball, and have a new one when you are reaf=dy. All you have to do is go to the next house party or african night clubs! Common man, tell the naive minds that. Olabowale can read you from a far off

im sure no woman wants to get married at 6 years old,and have sex at 9 years old.

The same reason i have asked you to show me if you knew when Aisha was born relatve to the Prophethood of Muhammad (AS) and the becoming muslim of her father Abu Bakr (RA)! You have failed to address any of these issues, and you said that you did for your dissertation something about Wahhabism and Qubt of Islamic Brotherhood! If you want to do a good Job for Christianity, then you should have been bold enough to give us scholarly article on Aisha. Then you will see me confronting your assertion, since I know that she was bethroned to be married before her father became muslim, and it is the family's joining this new faith that dissolved that first possible Union, before Muhammad (AS) proposed to her family his intention to marry her! Now explain how a Under 6 years old daughter of a wealthy Makka was already ready to be married, and you did not complain about that, and you are having shortness of breath when the a new suitor proposed and marry her, after all of the above? Did you have a problem because he is a prophet or what, when being a prophet did not make him more tan wat he is; Human being to give us the example of natural living; reason am able to marry my wife Zainab who I easily could be her father!

im sure no woman wants to have some men to stone her to death if she commits a sin

Man or woman who are married and gets involved in illegal sexual intercourse with somebody he or she is not married to, upon found guilty is bound to be stoned, if he did not call the wrath of Allah on self that the others did not tell the truth and he/she spoke the truth and was not guilty! If at stoning he/she declared that he/she dod not perform illegal sex act, as to say he/she id not guilty, then the prophet said the stoning should stop! This is Mercy and it is unparallel!

and im sure every woman wants to have an opportunity to enjoy herself and indulge in whatever joyful stuffs her male counterparts are indulging in when they get to paradise, not the menfolk chilling out with 72 virgins each,and the females fanning them and giving them water and food to drink lol

This is a piece from a website when I simply asked Google "What number of mates shall man have versus women in Islam when they enter Paradise? "And vie with one another to attain to your Sustainer's forgiveness and to a Paradise as vast as the heavens and the earth, which awaits the God-conscious, who spend for charity in time of plenty and in time of hardship, and restrain their anger, and pardon their fellow men, for God loves those who do good." (3:133-134)

"Establish regular prayer, enjoin what is just, and forbid what is wrong; and bear patiently whatever may befall you; for this is true constancy. And do not swell your cheek (with pride) at men, nor walk in insolence on the earth, for God does not love any man proud and boastful. And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; for the harshest of sounds, indeed, is the braying of the ass." (31:18-19)

In a way which summarizes the moral behavior of a Muslim, Prophet Muhammed (saw) said: "My Sustainer has given me nine commands: to remain conscious of God, whether in private or in public; to speak justly, whether angry or pleased; to show moderation both when poor and when rich, to reunite friendship with those who have broken off with me; to give to him who refuses me; that my silence should be occupied with thought; that my looking should be an admonition; and that I should command what is right."

Now comes the second aspect.
Some people might ask this question also, as to according to Quran, 'What's in it for women if men are provided for, by over 70 virgins?'

The Qur'an, while referring to the rewards of the pious in the Hereafter, has categorically stated that: All persons - men as well as women - shall be fully rewarded for their deeds and shall not be wronged in the least (Aal Imraan 3: 195, Al-Nisaa 4: 124, Al-Nahl 16: 97, Ghaafir 40: 40); They shall get all that they may desire and all that they can ask for, as a first gift from God. His blessings would follow subsequently (Fussilat 41: 31); and "They" - (men as well as women) - shall have perfected mates/counterparts/spouses ( Arabic: Azwajun Mutahharatun) as a reward of their deeds (Al-Baqarah 2: 25, Aal Imraan 3: 15, Al-Nisaa 4: 57).

As should be obvious from the above points, there is absolutely no difference in the reward of men and women, as it is mentioned in the Qur'an. Furthermore, it may be noted that the Qur'an has not mentioned anything about '70 or 72 huries'. The Qur'an has only mentioned 'perfected spouses/counterparts'. The numerical value of 70 is derived from a Quranic commentary by Ibn kathir.

An interesting point to note here is that some people have criticized the Qur'an for appealing to the very basic needs and desires of man, which include his desire for taste in edibles and beauty and chastity in his partner. A seldom highlighted point is that Quran also exhorts all Muslims (men and women) to maintain a very high level of conduct on this Earth. For Muslim men, a very strict Quranic injunction goes like this:

"Tell the believing men that they should lower their gazes and guard their sexual organs; that is purer for them. Indeed Allah is well-acquainted with what they do" (Quran 24:30). Here "lowering of the gazes" means to avert the eyes from the unrelated women who pass by and not to caress the attractive features of women with the eyes and "guarding of sexual organs" stands for keeping oneself away from fornication, adultery or committing rapes. Such are the men, who are likely candidates for paradise.

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you;

the bible says jesus christ told us to go without women,however if you cant do it,then cleave unto ONLY ONE WOMAN!!
(uplawal,over to you, )

And Jesus was unmarried, like John, neither of them knows a thing about wife, children, personal family! I only used your Bible to talk about what you dont know. The reality is that your Christian men get into every tail that can be lifted up. This is not to say that we dont have muslims doing the same, but a considerable small number, and the same goes for women situation.

Even the catholics who are not supposed to divorce and remarry, Senator Alfonso D'amato of NY State, USA forced this situation on the cardinal. Mayor Rudolph Guliani of NYC, USA never stopped until he had his way, a third marriage, one at a time! How many one marriages is too much while they openly keep sexual relationships before they become husband and wife? Godson my man, where is the girlfriend today? Am sure you are laughing and asking yourself which one is Olaboae talking about: The ones in London, or the crowd outside and we are not even thinking about the girls on the continebnt awaiting your Christmas period return!

what the bible said about women,is what most other religions say about women,which is that the man is the head, however the bible also said that the man must treat the woman as a thing of treasure(not in the exact words)moreover,which religion has allowed women to preach now?
to pastor churches?it is definitely not islam,because your women are still stuck behind the men eating the leftovers like the stone ages true or false?

few examples of the value the quran and mohammad places on women
1.they are objects to be traded as we can see mohammad's adopted son passing his "ajeku" to his adopted daddy mohammad, note this is not a hadith

You see what I was saying; true to form, even you said you respect women, but you refer to divorcee as "ajeku; left over", which is a derogative statement; what is a divorced man called, now? Divorce do happen in marriages, for many reasons, the out come of irreconciliable differences! Duuh. Your book, like "most other religions" have no respect for women! I think you have used this very statement "What most other religions", let us in to what your religion is; Hindu, Buhddist, Sihk, etc-like! And you have the strength to criticise Islam?

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed."

if mohammed is giving himself a blank cheque here,whose wife is safe from him at that rate?besides where is the respect being shown the woman in question?

Your first mistake is your lie that Muhammad(as) is the author of the Quran. Everyone who knows anything about Islam and is honest about it, even if he/she is not muslim knows that Muhammad (AS) is not the Writer, but Allah! And when Jehovah or Eloi refused to accept the prayer of Jesus and opened the door for his hanging, did Jesus hang himself? The answer is no. I have used yor Goodnews to bring about the truth of Muhammad and adopted son.

Your adopted son doe snot share your blood and its only your own desire that you claim somebody's son as yours. Allah stopped that evil and stupid tradition that must not b continued by Muslims, the last nation! I asked a friend if an adopted child is truly one's child? His answer was interesting until I said to him, should this aopted child marry his/her blood sibling just because they did not grow up together and not bearing the same name? He therefore realised that blood relationshipship is more important than the artificial which is man made like Trinity, Jesus god, Ghost god, father god statement of the children of god!

Its sort like the evil and fictitious claims by your own desire you make about Jesus being a god or a third of gods, god, Gods, God! That idea has to be killed, the reason that Allah says that you people of the Book should not exceed the limit in your religion and ways of idealization. Jesus is not more than a human prophet! Trinity you should stop saying, and Jesus came by creation decree by his Lord in the same way as Adam and nothing more!

@Godson2009:

the fact that both the torah and the christian bible has been around before the advent of islam,is enough reasons to deduce that your mohammad simply adjusted the story to fit his own purpose at that time,it is not the first time neither is it the second,a glaring instance which i will keep repeating is mohammad's justification of the three goddess worship at the start of his ministry,which he nullified later in the quran, also i hope you are not suggesting that i believe your own quran and disbelieve my bible considering my version has been in existence before the birth of mohammed,and is without the contradictions and falsehood yours is known for??[/quote[No evidence of Muhammad (AS) allowing the worship of three idols when his whole ministry is hinged on destroying idols? You see how silly such a proposal that you christians and others put forward is?

And if the veracity of a religous text is based on how long it has been existing, then Torah is holds the greater over Goodnews. The Hindu and Buhhdist texts are therefore hold greater veracity than the Torah. NO? If you disagree to this foundamentally sound process that is along your thinking above, then there lies your failure to acknowledge the Truth in Quran. They say the lastest is the best and those who laugh last laugh best! It is Quran, hands down.

Noetic you are asking the wrong guy: I dont work for NL and there is no inroad that I have to anything on this website more than anyone. Sorry!

@Godson2009: « #288 on: Today at 05:36:15 PM »  

i think our own heaven is much more believable even looking at it from a practical aspect,than your own version where hundreds of  millions of men will line up,behind them 72 virgins each and then the womenfolk from earth who are not virgins too milling about waiting for, what reward exactly??

Without wanting to waste too much time with you; Imagine a man alive immediately after the end of Noah's flood was to have been informed that there will be a time that China alone will be over 1,000,000,000 people, and not even paying homage to India and others, the man from the 24 people who survived the flood would have said that is impossible! This is your case, a disbeliever doubting a future that is the permanent future, a home for the successful, the Mercied and Forgiven, while the opposite is hellfire! What is the activities of the people of hellfire or your christian's lake of fire, if you know that will let us know that they are not having any fun comparable to the Muslim's paradise? Am sure that you will have to realise the truth sometimes in your lifetime before its too late!

well,if you check the other thread,i am not concerned about any man or woman of GOD as long as my own salvation is secured,,GOD said in the bible that on the day of judgement,we shall all be judged individually on our own merits and demerits

When you have 3 godpersons in your One God, I wonder how they come to a conclusion of where you end up, especially considering that in the creation of man, father didnt wait for the respond of son and ghost, and at hanging of son, he blames "father" whom he called conspicously "GOD!" You do have a big problem Mr. man. Your future is very uncertain!

While I am selling Allah at a "believer's stand" you keep eyeing allah at "idolator/disbeliever's stand" in far away street! Noetic, you got to follow the road map, not the yellow brick road of the wizard of Oz!

For a disbeliever like you, my effort is just that, until you begin to change your own destiny from disbelief to belief in One God solely chosen out to be worshipped without partners, then you will be going about aimlessly in the dark!

Soon I will open a thread titled "Let Jesus speaks for himself". It will include his aleged statement of "I and my father are one", and "Before Abraham, I was", and many others which befounded you, with fundamental explanation in the Quran by bringing it all about the promised "another comforter!"

I know your heart is hard. So is that of the fake pundit Godson, etc!

so guys which is one is true and test proven to be held between "Your Servant Jesus Whom you sent" and "Jesus is God" both said by post Jesus ascension people? What litmus did you apply to the one you chose, since they are 180 degrees to each each oter, they cant be both 100% right or can they?

You guys came out of the gate with your subjective acceptances, so we know what your leanings are. That in itself is dishonesty. No? And you did not give educated process of how you arive at what is truth and worthy of holding on to. Critical analyss is to be expected before you give us example of what you deemed worthy to be held.

@Godson2009: « #285 on: Today at 02:24:31 PM »  

@kolaxy
thanks for saving me the trouble of dredging that up
@olabowale hope that has answered your question as to what my own reward as a christian will be in paradise,now to address your comments

Godson if you believe what Kolaxy gave above as Paradise or "Heaven" as the reward, then tell Kolaxy to tell you the many fantastic stories in "Aworerin" Yoruba language magazine, or the Alawiyes, or the stories from Fagunwa and Odunjo and the likes. They are fact not, completely fictitious and easily imagines! Thats what you guys have put together from Revelations, etc.

But then as to the John Verse quoted, there must be a room in the same house for those who abrogated the laws and the prophets against the instructions of Jesus who came to fulfill them? He said they will be in the least: What is the least, not the palace or paradise but hell or lake of fire? No? Are you taking chances with your soul on this, espectially when Jesus will tell some of the mighty miracle performers in his name that he never know them. Where do you think these big miracle workers are going to be hualled off to; the least room in the house where lake of fire is occupying. No?

i disagree with you MATE,my concern is not about sex,my concern is about the obvious religious sexism involved in your islam not only that but even objectifying women as well,how did you or mohammad come about the bolded?did you ask the women or conduct some scientific experiemnt to determine conclusively?

First let me say the most sexist of religious Books is between Torah and Goodnews! The Torah blamed Women for all ills. Read what Adam says about Eve, then read what happened between Adam and hawa in the Quran and tell me who have no respect for women? As to the goodnews where women are merely not only to be silent but are either crown of the head to their husband or ther husband is the crown on their head, must be compared to the fact that Quran declares "believing man, and believeing women all will go to paradise; believing in Allah, making salah, giving Zakat, fasting, gong to Hajj and doing good" and the only time men and women are indicated separately is when strength was mentioned, unless you say thayt women are more powerful/gronger than man?

Is that you argument? And are you angry about the woman being a Tilt for man, because man is also same for woman? Woman is almost always in front of man in sexual intercourse, or she will be behind you for good sex?

As to my knowledge of your bolded; I have been married and I do discuss sex with my spouse. I will still marry and I do have women in my life and men who are married, we do talk about sex, as long as we do not go against Isam! It is evidential that most african women see sex as just a means of reproducions, almost exclusively, so when they are not willing to make babies anymore, sex is almost rare in their lives, as young at 40something, even younger!

You dont know that, do you? The bachelor that is running after everything in skirt, maybe, but is not patience enough to find out what women want! You will not make a good lover when you marry with that kind of ignorance!

@Bobbyaf: « #67 on: Yesterday at 09:07:40 PM »  

You may have read my posts, but its either you do not understand, or you refuse to see the point I have made. Let me repeat:

Your points are understood alright. You can fool many hearts all the time or all hearts many times, but not all the time you can fool all hearts. With post Jesus Biblical Books as your weapon to educate believers, we see that Jesus was not the speaker, but zealots were! Read my responses below.

1. Was Christ God before He became a man? The answer is yes because God the Father called His Son God. (see Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Was I a soul in the spiritual realml before I became a man? Yes. Does that make me a God or Angel or other Spirit, Jinn? No! But how many men are there and am I the only one that pass this threshhold? Men in this case is every man and woman, all from Adam! Are we unique? Yes we are unique, more beloved to God than more powerful Elephants, Ananconda Snakes, Pythons, Lions, Crocodiles, each can crush individual man, if it is toe to toe!

Is God Unique if Jesus was God before he bacame man? No, because there will be at least 2 of His type, and He will not be a 100% Creator again because there will be at least one other which is not created. I factor out the Holy spirit for a moment, so that you can see how weak your argument is.

But Jesus did everything that I did, as a man! In a spiritual sense, Jesus performed miracles, so did Messengers and Prophets each by permission of God to let their audiences know that they are spiritual men, speaking the truth. And in all of these not a single prophet/messenger got everyone to follow him. Jesus did not as well! But Jesus said from his own lips, by himself he can do nothing. And the disciples who witnessed his ministry, not as strangers but as everyday followers and associates, said in acts of the apostles about Jesus "Jesus your SERVANT whom you sent!" Bobbyaf, did you know about these verses and you intentionally ignored them, along with many that proof Jesus to be man, messenger/Prophet, SERVANT and never, and I repeat, never God?

2. Angels could not have been allowed to worship Jesus if He were not God.  Note in particular that this command was applicable while Jesus became humanHebrews 1:6 says "And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."

Post Jesus on earth statements from a tird party and not Jesus himself is not allowed because its "hearsay" at best! All worship is forbidden except what God permiited, and He allowed a single Prostrations from the angels to Adam, so that the disbeliever Jinn, Iblis who became Shaitan later intermost disbelief and arrogance and disobedience can be revealed because up till that time it was unknown to the angels! The other time a group of people was permitted to prostrate and not be disobeying God  in a disbeliever way, was the prostration to Prophet Joseph by his prophet father Jacob and the rest of the family, as a fulfillment of his dream, a honoring thing among his family as Allah has honored Adam in the community of Angels!

3. When Thomas the doubter finally believed he fell at the feet of Jesus and proclaimed "My Lord and my God" If Jesus suspected that Thomas went astray, or went too far in his approach, did Jesus reminded him that He Jesus should not have been worshiped since He was a man?

I could go on.

And you did not go on. In all of the hooplas, you forgot that Jesus himself said "my God, my God, forsaken me?" If what Jesus said is true, then all the others were liars as they called him what he truly not! If the others were not liars, then Jesus was not telling the truth on the cross. Or maybe both groups lied and the truth lied somewhere else!?

ashimolowo was never a muslim, just because he was from a muslim family, just like the rest of them, they are potential Kufar. look at how pligrim, malik, etc turned out? a little trial they all tumbled off from the truth to the popular falsehood!

how can a hijab wearing woman from a "moderately conservative" family seek out boys, looking for relationship and never a period where there is no romantic interest in their life? I got divorced at 33, and I wait up to the time I was about 50 before I found a love, yet I did not but have a Christian mother and have lived in this United States all my adult life! Maybe if these people were good muslims and did all they did, then I must have been a better muslim, because I did not do any of those that they do!

Did they change in Christianity; the male chaser stopped chasing boys or now men in her age? I dont think so, because leopard do not change its spotty coat easily. They now have the unfettered liberty to do what they used to do while Quran counts them as from the list of the big sins; Jeusu blood shed some 2000 years ago is still fresh (this is to your honor Osisi) to wash them clean off it!

Drip in it people. Drip, drip it drops. Soon you shall know whether it is blood or just some serum of a man who did not die, while you keep on living a lie! Death bed events will reveal all the truth and nothing will be hidden!

@Davidylan: « #82 on: Today at 02:28:05 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 02:23:35 AM
@Osisi: The baby better be a boy since the pregnancy is making you go around the world in every hour! If not put the dude on line and let me release some secret to him of how to make boys!
And to address your statement; seven styles of writing Osisi Nwando is not like Writing Ohsise NNwonnjo, when the correct spelling is bastardised!
While the Bible is the bastardised latter situation, Quran seven style is the former. OSISI, osisi, Osisi, oSISI, OsIsi, OsISi, etc mean the same thing, Duuh! Go eat some Ewu stew and call it a night!

Actually thats false . . . i dont want to be forced into bringing out some verses of the quran where versions have completely distorted original meanings. The verses that allegedly "prophesy" the second coming of the quranic version of Jesus (who never existed as a historical person) is one.

I wanna see how strong you are, so I double, no triple dare you to bring them out! And when you fail in your effort, am going to make sajdah Shukr to Allah. You have 24 hours to come up with it. Summon all the support of the whole Mutamushrikuun of the world.

I have at least 2 Quran here. And I can read at least 4 printing styles! I can read Warsh, Hafs, Uthmani which is very common in th Indian/Pakistani subcontinent and maybe another!


I am going to be happy about your failure on this Issue!

David, you want a woman in your front, standing, bending/bowing, prostrating? Musa (AS) with all his boldness did not want the women of Madian where he found refuge away from Pharaoh to walk in front of him, because he may look at their forms! Read your Bible! The Quran give us that so that one is cautioned. All the sexuallity of men is in the front of a man, so women are shileded away from it. All the sexuality of women is the woman herself, men are shielded away from them!

This is part of the wisdom, unlike the foolishness from your side of the aisle! Ask the women they will tell you its shoulder to shoulder, too. I told zainab to take the last row, always the right side of the Imam, while I go to the front row, te right side and she and I will get the same reward if our efforts are equal in every respect, the Rwward Coming from the TRUE ALPHA and OMEGA, unlike the one whose life was interrupted, according to you! NO?

Dauda, I know how to read you.

@Osisi:

haven't we addressed the version issues including the 7 versions of the arabic koran
are these attempts to take the focus off abuz the true mujahideen of whom mohammed is proud

The baby better be a boy since the pregnancy is making you go around the world in every hour! If not put the dude on line and let me release some secret to him of how to make boys!

And to address your statement; seven styles of writing Osisi Nwando is not like Writing Ohsise NNwonnjo, when the correct spelling is bastardised!

While the Bible is the bastardised latter situation, Quran seven style is the former. OSISI, osisi, Osisi, oSISI, OsIsi, OsISi, etc mean the same thing, Duuh! Go eat some Ewu stew and call it a night!

Noetic does not know that he is worst than Boko Haram?

The best noetic can do now is to play out lagbaja's show me your 32, twice?

@GODSON2009: Read the Quran again, even the translation that is the only thing you can read; the reward of woman in paradise is the same as that of the man in paradise. And since your archilles' heel in this issue is about sex, on earth women often get satisfied with the one husband, while men for the most part need more than one wife, the reason you GODSON, regardless of your own name hunt down all the easy and available nigerian, africans, carib, white women in UK, looking for your own, or living up your own paradise!

Now, Haurin means mate, and did not specify the gender, except that since we will be recreated, all people of paradise will be haurin, and will be connected to their own mate, for women and mates for man, being satisfied with each other and time, energy and enjoyment is at the peak! When you eat on earth, you get filled up or tired of that food, taste, texture, smell, look, etc. But the food of paradise will be different, always at the maximum in enjoyment, and each bite is better than the last, etc. Wife with her husband will be satisfied, because he will be her Hourin!

Now your question has been answered, go do some clapping, singing and dancing. Improvice if you will since no one band will play you the church music this late. Let me tell you, compare my Paradise with your heaven (there are 7 heavens, which one is for Godson2009), if we could bottle them and brng them before others to make choices, after a hard earthly struggle to worship and please the Creator, the Muslim Paradise is the actualized REWARD! I cant see anyone wanting to choose generically a place called heaven that all you hear is clapping and music? Is there anything worth while to do, like resting, seeing friends, visiting friends, a place of not hard work, but all rewarding as it is he longest vacation, eating, drinking, laughing and happy include sex which Godson2009 is alway hunting for in England?

this back and forth is not good, even among people in general. david, to say that this is bonafides Islam is the biggest joke since I heard that a man is god! and osisi, cursing is unbecoming of a mother, so a house divided against itself is a community that can worship in each and or one another's churches. while the muslims can argue facts, it is unlike te christians who cant worship in other churches (catholic and protestants are examples here), who dont have the same worship day, some are sabbath keepers while majority are sunday gatherer, you dont even have the same Bible, my high school bible is long and forgotten and when osisi entered school she must have used post 1970 Bible edition, publication!

osisi the above is just a partial list, while you did not turn the other cheek and pummelled us because we are muslims, your "pre-emptive strck" is noted, and in the future when you speak about forgiveness of your enemy, we know it was just a joke like the others coming from your mouth!

While the muslims are fighting after Ramadhan, did you notice that you were not here for the most of Ramadhan, since Allah restrained the shayatini, we did not get surprised by your absence and that of others! the muslims will pray shoulder to shoulder when they meet, knowing fully well that they cant keep malice for a long time, yet if offended must at least voice it out, afterall they are not angels and do have emotions! Do you have a place where you a protestant, can meet a catholic, and yet have the mormons and Jehovah Witness join you in a prayer in the church? I dont think so, and thats because your house is actually divided into unmatching sections and it will fall, the reason you see Islam as the structure that will make it tumble down, becoming the only one remaining and you hate that!


Abuzola, no one cursed you and what your brother sad is addressed only to Kafirun, and you are not a kafir, same way Surah Zil Zal does not address the muslims! No one will get hurt or dies until their appointed time, and all of that belong to Allah, Alone!


We now have to take back what we say about our brother and or siter, and even the disbelievers. Make Wudu and make two rakah and ask for Forgiveness for others and for ourselves. No one wants to see even his/her worst enemy get punished, if we take the position of the prophet (AS).


Lets step back for a moment and clear our hearts of all evils and let bygone be bygones.

@Davidylan: « #64 on: Today at 06:52:03 PM »  

Look alhaji, enough of your false spirituality and excuses. This has NOTHING to do with shayatini (who seem to have a predilection for violence through muslims only!). This is an expression of the violence that lurks beneath all the false veneer of peace from you muslims.

I sent you links (TWICE!) regarding the direct death threats from both abuzola and uplawal to you yesterday and you IGNORED IT, prefering to call it "fighting". You all are hypocrites, you all are the same . . .

Dauda, have I ever been unjust to you keferi man from Ijbu ode in Rochester? I asked you to confirm the murkiness of large water body at sunset, up till now, you aint do jack about it!

And the yoruba saying "not all clothes are dried in the sun", applies in all I do. What I say to you off nairaland is off nairaland. What I say to Abuzola and or Uplawal off nairaland remains where it is; off nairaland!

And no body is coming to kill you! Now am your guardian among the muslim, like the powerful individual Makkan professed that he was the guard for a muslim, Muhammad (as) in the difficult early days of Islam.

Aburo, are you in difficult timelike the Muslims in before Victory over Makka, with all post George Bush guns and artlleries to protect you alone? David, stop the silliness and the hating. The you are all the same is appreciated. Thanks man, at least you will not say to anyone that I am not a muslim!


This woman does not get tired and fall asleep, at all? And luvola, this is turning the other cheek or the wholesale prayers? You see how people behave humanly when the push comes to shove, and Jesus plays no role in christians' lives? No one is dying because of some prayers in anger!

As Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah Taala wa Barackatuh, brothers and sisters in Islam; The fast is gone and the Shayatini among mankind and jinn are now roaming about. We should be conscious of their existence and influence eich we must work hardro avoid! The prophet (AS) said that a believer helps/support his brother twice; we he is being oppressed, against his oppressor, and when he is the oppressor against oppressing  the one he is oppresing!

A scholar who made a mistake in his scholar statement receives a reward for the effort, and if he is correct double rewards. The Sultan might have tried his best, as long as hs mistake was not intentional pushing people to deviations, 28 or 31days of fasting! Afterall, most of the fasting of the prophet in the month of ramadhan 29!

And as to the fighting and personal attach on one another, I ask you for the pleasure of your Creator your Lord the Owner of the Trone Supreme to let it stop. We must not have heavy hearts againt one another because sch a heart will have to go through purification befre being admitted to Paradise. The place of purification will be the fire and who can even wish his own enemy that? Not m!


May Allah guide us all. Amin. Thanks Jarus.

Recognise you shuld be smarter than the above. No?

If you want a fair playing field, you have to proof that Jesus was Christian, or if you proof that he is a Jew not only by tribe but also by religious worship since he prostrated his face in the Garden, we know he worshipped, you have to proof to us why you change religion?

It is after this above that we can go to your above question or opinion by which we must try not to deviate from the thread's intention. But I need to correct you on your mistake; Jesus never said "God" in his entire life, but said Eloi for sure on the cross, according to the Bible, and maybe Jehovah and or Yahweh! It is from these three (3) that you can choose what you thing correspondent to Allah of Muhammad for Jesus!

All english speakers use God to denote their religious Creator!

You see how stiffened your neck is? You cant even differentiate between your "third of the Trinity" the spirit, and the preIslamic deity allah! This is from your own words and saying!

We in Islam have a Messenger and Prophet named Muhammad (AS). You and the Jews do not have him. This makes us higher in level than you, because you are higher than the Jews who do not recognise Jesus that we both recognise as prophet, except that you exaggerate yours to the extreme by calling him god!

What a thinking: have you seen a god that eats? the gods of the idolized pagans do not eat because tey are carvings, etc.

Your god eats because he is no true God, but a true Human! God would not need all of the human things and aspect of living life!

@$Osisi: « #47 on: Today at 02:18:20 AM »

Who cares what people do with their dead bodies?
These Muslims have serious issues.
Satan lives in your catarrgh,you calculate your steps into the bathroom, You look at the moon and stars, bring out a compass in the toilet to make sure your bloody diarrhoea is not shooting towards mecca,perform rituals all day long from year to year and at death your living argue over the mat or casket you were buried in.
Una no dey tire for all these una rituals.
Thank God for the Lord Jesus whose yoke is easy and burden light.

And all do is immense yourself in a jar of blood! Tell me, do you towel it dry or you just let it drip, drip along the way?

If you dont do rituals, what you chose instead is worse, it must stink up sometimes? I mean the blood!

And you must be unfair to the man who you are asking to carry your "Yoke, Burden, Etc", considering he was so tired that he just dragged "along" the wood cross you said he hung on!