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whosoever long to meeting hs Lord, Allah will receive him/her in the same manner. He will not let his/her longing be in vain, wasted, it will be another means of Mercy among many many available for believers.

Whosoever is nonchalant about meeting his/her Lord, Allah will shall be in the same exact manner with him/her. Doom is waiting for the body and soul, a place of regret they will reside in it as long as Allah wishes and no one, and I say it, again can help in His decision.

Whosoever is rejecting his/her Lord as the sole sort out Object/Focus of his/her worship, Allah will give him/her due Justice and the fire of Hell is a place of their rewards.

Whosoever denies the existence of his/her Lord, Allah will deny him/her Mercy and their place of due punishment in a just manner is Hellfire!


The last three are completely different from the first. I take the position in the first. Noetic, and christian brethren of his, and the atheists and agnostics, etc, be ready to take your Justices in the manner you have worshipped, denied, joked, mocked and worked you magic, a completely fake miracles as humans.

Allah is aware of all yor deeds. I seek His protection against His Anger, against my own evil, and against the evils of any and all His creations.

@Nezan: « #9 on: Yesterday at 11:49:51 PM »

blah blah blah. . . . .Gani refused to be buried a muslim. . . why? he had his doubts about the authenticity of allah and mohammed. . .simple.

The blah raised to the 3rd power is to your ignorance, mr. noetic. the nonchurch going chrsitian, meaning you are a double keferi! Again if you claim he was not a muslim, we did not hear him declared himself as a Christian, double rejection he gave christianity! So there! If his interlectuality is the litmus for the correct religion, based on his last name, he left Ifa of his bloodline, on the way to Islam, he saw Judaism and Christianity and lost every love for them and chose islam. Now swalow that!

you see, even as evil as the pagan arabs were, there was no image to represent their allah. they did not even used money from businesses that involved interests of any sort to participate in the rebuilding of Kaaba that was after the flood of Noah built on the foundation footings by Ibrahim and his only son Ismal (AS)!

And any Christian that can proof otherwise should tender ther information, sources and lets examine it/them, and not just talk with empty bravados!

While you showboat as Christians with gods and imageries (cross and crucifixes, and pictures and pane/stain glasses pictures, etc), we in Islam have not, regardless of your lies and inuendos and forcing your lies like Dick Cheney, Rumfeld, Ashcroft, and indeed Bush and Powell about WMD, that Muslims worship moon god-god-devil-married-with three daughters allah, the evidences are clear: We in Islam destroy all gods and god and chose for ourselves the singly God, the Sole Focus of our worship Allah the Almighty, always Alive, full of Power and full of Knowledge!

We accept your lies as water over the bridge; It does not happen, it is always under the bridge!

I wanna see unwarped the Christian reasoning is by asking Nezan to tell us all he knows about the Sole Creator, the One the Christians single out as The Only God worthy of Worship by addressing the following;

Give us His name that is Unique and no one else bears it. How about His look that is Unique than nothing else is like Him? His position in place of Honor that nothing can ever get to it. His shape that nothing is like Him. His creatorship that makes Him different from all others that they must be called creations, and He the Only Creator. How many is He?


Give us what ae common between He and other (all creations, Angels, Messengers and Prophets from mankind, Jinns, plants and aminals and other inanimates). Does this God eats, drinks, sleeps, deficates, tires, waries, slumbers, needs helps and assistances, and does He succumb to death that He creates for the creations?


I wanna read about your Christian "God" whether He is just like me or completely different and unique that the mind can not truly capture His essence except only what we know and in logic and practicality, are feasible!

just ike the abdullah of preIslam is not the same as Abdallah of Islam of Muhammad (AS) though they have the same name, but different characteristics in worship and the focus of their worship, the former idol and the latter Allah the Almighty,


so is Jesus of the Bible to Isa bin Mariam of the Quran. The former is as same as idol god of the paganic arab but now it is for the Christian, while the latter is a human prophet (AS) to his people, the Bani Israil who for the most part rejected him and still show disdain for him till this very day.


Allah say in the Quran which means about Isa bin mariam, His messenger/prophet to his people, that no one of the people of the Books (Jews and Christians) will die except that they know (at time of death, it will revealed to them) the true position (the Jews will realise he was their Messenger/prophet, the expected Massiah, though not fighting because the time to prescribe fighting for him or not, did not arrive before they started and hatched their plot to kill him, and the Christians will realise he was just a mere human messenger/prophet , the expected Massiah to his people, not to the whole mankind and definitely not a God; God is above all human lkeness) and now have a very late and unacceptable death bed belief about the true nature of Isa bin Mariam which the Muslims know quite well. Read it in the pages of the Quran!

to the stiffenednecks, everything true is balderdash!

I and my Father are one is not the same as I am Father, or I am my Father! The conjuction "and" separate them, He from him! Get it? Now answer!

Nezan cant even take his own advise for up to 24 hours.

Allah says Muslims are brother to one another. His Messenger (as) says Muslims are one single body, when one pat hurts, the whole body feels the pain. Faweyinmi was not the father of me, for sure, but it was assumed that we were brothers and part of the same body, until hs death where it was displayed that it is either he was not a muslim or all of the foolishness arose from pure ignorance.

And a person who is without knowledge, but foolish should ask the people of knowledge about what they do not know, and I beleieve the Christians do practice this aspect of knowledge gathering, no? I am sure that those left behind in his family should have asked the people of knowledge who would have gladly referred them to Quran and Sunnah where all of the ignorance foolishness that may be a burden on him now could have been avoided, unless he was a cult member the reason hs family gave all kind of excuses while at the same time the muslim community is fooled on this!

I personally dont care about him with that kind of burial. I keep my prayer to honest, but simple muslims, educated or not, charitable or not, openly believeing and not disbelieving!


As I am a muslim and yoruba, any yoruba culture that does not agree with Islam is dead in my life. So if I am going to be made even Are Akakanfo, it will be conducted Islamically and none of the traditional things and the traditionalists will be permitted to come close to me. I will 100% muslim, and will live long with the title guiding my life only by Quran and Sunnah and killing of the traditional stupidity of the Yorubas. I am inherently a reformist!


And I wonder why you neotic, a full time keferi is losing sleep over a corpse already buried with at least Islamic name? Take your own wise advise, or you think it is not wise?

noetic has no conscience. a man says all of the above, and all you do was limply write "u answered your question urself!?" How did he do that, expectially when you failed to meet his challenge? please explain because wonders never cease to spring from the rank of the christians; triune, trinity, human god, ghost god, father god, all from smoking pipe as in pipe dream, dreaming it up from the influence of smoking! lol. Seriously.

Oh you disbelievers, no that no one is immune from sinning, since we are not angels, but humans. Even your humangod sinned, right from the pages of your Bible.

The fact that we are humans, Allah gives us a way out to avoid sinning, and when we do, which it is not possible to avoid always, there is repentance, seeking forgivenes.

Abuzola, and all muslims on earth, are not arrogant and are humble and show humility before Allah, so inshaAllah in the day of Judgement we shall not be humiliated.

We are unlike you, who are so arrogant that you call yourselves sons and daughters of God, and you love a prophet that you shunned his instructions of never to abrogate the laws of old and their prophets, and you turn around and call this prophet god, and an angel god as well, lying on both of them and diminishing the Lordship of God, makng Him look like you, without any uniqueness whats so ever, since you claimed that one form of Him died, ate, human like you, etc, so what else? Uh!

So explain Trinity by using apple, egg, water, shamrock leaf, or whatever and allow honest questions of your disertation.

I summit to you that your explanation will be equal to you passing up a full grown woman as a boy; they are not similar! Duuh.

And Muhammad forgave the Makkan as Yusuf forgave his brother:

Did you mean: muhammad forgave the people of makkah who thought that he will kill them all Read them allNoetic.

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@Noetic: « #7 on: Yesterday at 09:05:25 PM »

where is it recorded that mohammed EVER allowed other religious groups room for their worship?

You should be able to search these things out by yourself! Haba. O ya o le to yi ni?

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@Nezan; « #71 on: September 15, 2009, 01:09 PM »

The big deal is you can never claim that the koran records explicitly, the miracles performed by Jesus. How many chapters are even allocated to discussing him?

His (AS) essence was discussed and its more than what you have in the Bible, afterall you did not have his miracle of defense of his mother or do you? And it was not as if he fought Pharaoh or somebody tyrannical and powerful like that and he did not lead a multitude of people, like Moses who led the whole of sraelites away from Egypt, fording through the sea without loosing a single soul, and leading them through the wilderness, and the food; manna from heaven, fighting nations and tribes along the way, and receiving the commandments which Jesus said that must never be abrogated, ever, and you guys did not see a verse you did not abrogate in it, the reason the story of Jesus is shorter than that of Moses, a leader in the essence of of the word, except that you guys love to exagerate and below is a good exegese on it:

While you give for sake of full pages but emptiness of messages, you step by step even mundane and useless an account of 33 years or at least the 3 years of what you call the ministry of the "FOUNDER OF CHRISTIANITY", Jesus, but wimply short cahnged what Moses did, except the major events and you are even accurate in your record!

@Vanitty: If a book of ahadith is not 100% correct, it is because; no single ahadith collector collected everything of ahadith. No single book of ahadith has 100% of all sahih, without a weak ahadith in it. By definition of ahadith, it comes from Muhammad (AS) or what he allows and did not object to. Am teaching you. I hope you are a good student.

And if Islam by just ahadith, and not Quran the 100% Word of Allah is therefore termed shaky, let me ask what do you think of the human combined authors of the Bible, even though the holy ghost which did not teach them anything, reminded them of anything about Jesus and dd not glorify anything of Jesus to them is suddenly going to produce a better Book as in the Bble, than the Ahadith of the companons, laced with the underminingness of the Jewish and Christian zealot who came to the community of the Muslims!

You see how much you are goofing and therefore you need a good muslim teacher to devein you from 3 gods part 1 God!

Go to www.tafsir.com

or www.tafsir ibn kathir.com

or www.tafsirofQuran.com

My brother choose any tafsir, you will have to accept the verses 91 and 92 that they complement as explanation of 90, where 88 and 89 lead to 90 of Surah Nisaa.


There is only one ahadth that speaks about apostasy, and it says whoever leaves him religion kill him! It did not say whoever simply leaves Islam must be simply be killed by Muslms! These are the elements you must pay attention to.

Let me ask you, how do you know that Muta is not permissable, except the verse that follows it, as it cancels it?

@Noetic:

what difference would it have made if Gani had been buried the same day?

And since they delayed it, what difference was there: he came back alive? I hope you do reflect on things sometimes and not let your hatred eat you up alive?

who actually gave instructions that muslims be buried the day they die? was it not mohammed?
did mohammed not retract many of his revelations, claiming that the devil gave them to him?

What did Jesus give for the Christians; three days in the cave? I will like to see that. Alhamdulllah that my mother left that thing. I dont have to worry about the old woman which consumed me for many years on end. We discussed the alleged Satanic verses before and I will add this; If a person is trying to hide anything, would be have added half of it or some part, when it makes sense to make hidden everything?

Finally, why would the same person cursed and instructed people to curse the thing except that he hated it, while you said he worships that same thing? I hope you dont curse none of the three thing s you worship; Father, Son and Ghost?

If you dont, it means that you do worship them. If we curse Shaitan, know that we do not worship him, except we take him as an open enemy! You wanna clam Faweyinmi, it dimishes Allah none!

@Aloy Emeka: « on: Today at 02:23:53 PM »

Shehu Sani faults critics of Fawehinmi's burial style
From Saxone Akhaine, Kaduna

THE Leader of the Northern Civil Society Coalition and chairman of the Socialist Front (SF), Malam Shehu Sani has condemned the criticisms by some Moslem clerics and other Islamic leaders against the befitting burial Nigerians gave to the late lawyer and human rights activist, Chief Gani Fawehinmi (SAN), saying that they belonged to the sect of religious fanatics who do not want the liberation of Nigerians from oppression.

One should have asked Shehu Sani if it is Islam that oppressed Nigeria, consiering that it is the English people who colonized and oppressed Nigeria, raping her emotionally and barely escaped the physical overlording because the Oil was not discovered well enough before 1960!

I want Shehu Sani to give us Quran and Sunnah of it; was it the leaving a corpse for "other interlectuals to see" at night or day, or the gold, and at first the suits, and what exactly is islamic about it?

I think Shehu Sani needs his Islam to be examined, or he is one of those who try to satisfy the masses, even when there is no harm in speaking the truth, that TRUTH he can get on the Pages of Quran and the example of the Burials of the Prophet (AS), his Companions (RA) (Abu Bakr was a bigtime Philantropist that gave away his monies and died with nothing. But when asked whe he gave 100% what was left for his family, he replied Allah and His Messenger; indeed Islam), the generation that followed and generation that followed!

@Vanitty: « #16 on: Today at 08:57:29 PM »

^ I cannot do your research for you neither am I here to argue with you , just telling you what is wrong and should be unacceptable.
It has even been said by your brothers on the islam board that aisha was 9, atleast you are sane enough to deny it unlike your brother Abuzola that sees nothing wrong in it.

Thanks for the fake complement of my being sane enough. You are a smart woman, then do the research for your own peace of heart.

But then, I submit to you that Aisha (RA) was already born in Makka before Islam of Muhammad (AS) began, since her father Abu Bakr (RA) the kalifah of Muhammad became muslim in its very very first year being a friend and neighbor of Muhammad, and Abu Bakr as he became muslim dd not have any child after it, and the family broke up because the son and the wife who did not accept it with him were divorced, and Aisha's previous engagement was broken because of Abu Bakr's household is now away from paganism and into Islam!

These are the facts, so you see the second year of Hijra, she would have been at least 15, snce 13 years of Islam in Makka she was already alve!

Neither Abuzola nor me is an authority, and Bukhari ahadith could not be 100% correct, because it would then be like The Quran. No? You see your folly, anitty.

@Noetic: « #3 on: Yesterday at 06:13:48 PM »  

do u actually think he was intelligent considering the many errors in the koran?

And you have failed to point one out for us, and all you do is go to the back alleys to spew out your lies as if on the Pulpit, preaching. Show it and we will hatch it out, and n the end you will remain the loser, never able to practically substantiate your clams.

« #4 on: Yesterday at 06:14:52 PM »  
I feel your concern. . . . .can u imagine ayatollah justifying the thighing of even female babies?

Unless Ayatullah told you that he thighed a woman, not even a female babies then we will have to equate his action to that of the numerous Christian notable leaders; pastors, Televangelsts, Catholic reverends, who are found in sexual improprietis of child abuses, homosexualities, fornicatons, stealing the communities monies, fake miracles recorded, then we shall have to say that they they got them from Jesus of the Bble, since they are Christ-like! This is fair no? Now you will be whistling Dixe.

All your tricks are exposed and they aint tricks at all.

@Davdylan: « #1 on: Yesterday at 06:08:37 PM »

A master political strategist who used a fraudulent religion based entirely on plagiarised jewish material to attain affluence.

Lets take the story of Moses of Quran and Torah, since the Chrstians dont have their own, except that of the Jews as our litmus of what you called plaigiarizaton, and I say Quran is original. So We must show the essence of what each says about the calling of Moses to the Burning Bush and the miracles performed there to give Moses firmness in resolve.

Or you can choose another that both of them have n common; Noah, Ibrahim, Adam, Joseph, Lut, Jonah, Job, tell me what you want so that you give us what the Torah says and we wll give you what Quran says and the diffrenece shall be night and day.

Finally, the man died with no single penny as inheritance left for his surviving daughter and wives/spouses. This means that you are a liar, David!


@vanitty: « #2 on: Yesterday at 06:08:44 PM »

I am sorry but i just can't get over his marriage and sex with a young child still playing with dolls.
I wish they will just delete the child abuse marriage and sex of Mohammed to a 9 year old child "Aisha" from the Qu'ran because some very stupid, ignorant illiterates are still getting married to babies since that is what their prophet did.

His Marriage to our Mother Aisha (RA) is not in the Quran. Duuh. You need to make your own research before you respond ignorantly again. But wait, please proof that Aisha was 9 years with verifiable reasons and then I will accept your statement about it. Until them I say you follow the same conjecture of the ahadith, because the narrator did not give the reason she told him her age, and ahadith always have a reason, and it is never ahadith until it comes from the mouth of Muhammad AS), or a statement hemade in his presence and he did not object to it.

Now use the landmark of the advent of Muhammad's islam in Makka to show her 9 years old, based on her father's timelne of acceptance of islam! I will overtask you, since you throw the challenge like that! I hope you know that I take no prisoner and sometmes brutal in my demand for answers.

@Noetic « #251 on: Today at 06:01:49 PM »

u keep embarrassing urself with this 3 pounds for one pound thing. . . . . .There are more than 5 threads where the concept of trinity has been explained to u, . . . is it my fault that u cannot gasp the concept of trinity?

If its not your fault, I dont know whose it is for 2 reasons; you are either a terrible tutor or that you tutor a rotten subject! In both cases you goofed because you are passing the impossible as reality to realist.

Allah says condemning Trinity or gods that He sent like kind to the masses. He further makes it easier for the heart to take it by saying if "Angels" were the inhabitant of the earth, He would have sent Angel to them. But no, it is human so He sent humans; among them was Jesus to the Israelites, Muhammad to all mankind.


[Quote]where EXACTLY is it RECORDED that mohammed EVER forgave anyone?[/quote]Go on google and enter;
1). Muhammad at victory of Makka forgave the people while they expected him and his companions to kill them all.
2). Muhammad forgave the Jewess who poison him upon her boldly saying she did put poison in the meat on purpose.
3). Just for kick enter"The man who first introduced idol into the prencinct of the Kaaba; was it from the time it was built or after and was there an Idol represented named allah in the 360 of the idols? You can do follow up researches you knoow.


[Quote]we all knwo what the islamic population has done to this planet. . . . . , .[/b]terrorism, injustice and paedophilia[/b]. who wants a mosque in his neighbourhood?[/quote]Many masajid in England, America, and the many african countries have abundance of them. In some parts of the world, just as masajid are scarce in south america, churches and synagogues are scarce in the gult, the greater arab/middle east and north africa and we should not forget about malaysia, etcChina and many many parts of the orient! You statement is not a wise statement.

And oh, I am happy that you said what you said about Islam in the same spirit of the young nazi member now Pope. This gives me the opportunity to respond to you so that you carry it to him; I guess the 2 world wars were the wars of Muslims, or the wars of the arabs. What about the Atomic Bombs and now Nuclear Bombs? What about the genocide of the American natives based on the principal of the Bible to kill them all, everything that breath? What about the Slavery, and others?
What about prostitutions; in the red districts of Europe, and the North American brothels? What about the terroism of Professor Kiskinsky (am not sure the spelling is correct), the american math prof dubbed "the Unibomber", and the attach on Morrow Oklahoma city building? How about the rapes of Iraqi young women, even as they cover themselves up in their own country, and what about the colonialization of Africas and brown skin people? What about KKK, Skinheads, Arian Nation people and the Hooligans? There are still many but I believe they are all Muslims? And oh, the Big daddy of them all; the Crusade.

You see how you and the ignorant Pope belong together; (, )!

Godson2009 and Noetic:« #248 on: Today at 03:48:38 PM »

[b]Quote from: noetic2 on Today at 01:17:29 PM
do u know how ridiculous your trinity ignorance on trinity sounds? drop it. . . . . .

have you forgotten so quickly the typical muslim's mindset?[/b]once they dont have their way,they spit out their bibs and start bawling incoherently like lil babies, olabowale not making any sense is because he s frothing at the mouth because of the home truth i told him about redeemed lol im not engaging them in debates anymore because its clear they dont have anything of substance im trying to convert them now lol

Okay guys, tell us in logical and practical explanation that a 10 year old child will understand, and not just going away from you and say under the breath that this "old man must be crazy to believe this foolishly! Maybe I should outsmart him by taking 3 pounds from him, and pocket it, and turn around to tell me that he only gave me one pound in the tradition of the TRINITY that he believes so much!". I will be waiting to see how smart you guys are, somehow maybe you will by that smartness discover how foolish you have been all along in being a trinitist! If if you wanna remain foolish in thinking try your hand in a snow job that you will be called on to do it again, because a new batch just cover what you thought you did, nothing!

Quote from: noetic2 on Today at 01:16:06 PM
where is it recorded that mohammed forgave anyone?

oya answer,enuff said!!

Do you buys believe that Muhammad became victorious over the Makkans where he destroyed the 360 idols in the kaaba? That ocassion ushered in the first ever wholesale forgiveness by any prophet, not doubting whether to or not, but actually have just one purpose forgiveness of crimes against him, where the people had already resignedto being punished, except he forgave them, and anyone who was ever punished by him is based on other crimes and not based on any against him.

The other is the Jewess who poisoned him. Is tere a person crime to be committed against you, as great as the one on your life? Attempting to kll you? If Muhammad (AS) forf=gave the woman, mind you he was the ahority in Madina at that time, tell me what is equal to that in the life of any prophet before him (AS), considering that a weak man saying he forgives a strong man he cant retaliate against even if he wishes to is an empty statement of forgiveness, unlike the person who is powerfulforgving a weak man, in this case a woman, an enemy combatant n the tradition of George Bush as he sees all Iraqi even after his "famous" all combat in Iraq is over statement! I want you guys to show me; compare and contrast!

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:32:49 PM
And the many Churches of Adeboye, 5 minutes walk or drive, or run, take your pick will be devoid of any essence of practicallity, essentially empty because the Aladuras, The Celstrals, The Cherubum and Seraphims, for sure The Catholics, The other orthodoxes of the world, and many will just pass by it, without a glance and search for their own type of Church!

Your idea about Adeboye is like the concept of Starbuck Coffee Company, it started strong, over developed and now its closed tons of stores. Let me advise you, tell Adeboye to build them. It will safe the Muslims a lot of money when we buy tons of them upon the Corporation bankrupting and needs to unload them and get pennies on dollar for them!

And as to the many children, they are blesssings of Allah. Dont have Children and you will dwindle down. Lets catch up with you guys and then lets see how smart your decision to population freeze is!

that is the more reason to show that christianity is taking over,imagine just redeemed a single parish,without mentioning the many aladura churches,the depper life,winners chapel,catholics,anglicans e.t.c
you r waiting for muslims to buy his churches when we v bought out almost all the old trad churches in england,and making inroads into the middle east,watch out,redeemed is buying up a mosque near you pretty soon

You must must be an empty speech speaker! When t is every 5 minutes between one another, you populate with what now; Aladuras, Catholics, orthodies, and those who are not with Adgboye, or you end up with empty seats and empty hurches, since each parish dont pay attention to others and will not pray in there, and according to you, the muslims are increasing based on birth rates? I hope you dont think that allof a sudden, the Hindus are gong to abandone Hinduism for christendom even after England failed to spread i that socety as much and for as long as they ruled over nda? Chna s even more stubborn, and Japan and the whole of orient is just as tough as the China example? Or you home the Jews wll abandone Judaism, or the Muslim will abandone Islam or the trend out of Christanity to Atheism and Agnostics, etc will suddenly reverse itself?

Did you really think the response above through, before you did, because it is so empty that you will see the vase vacuum staring at you. You statement is as it is not there at all.

Maybe the Christians should have people like you to give her first opinion, and they will come to me for second opinion, where by I will chrage them up to the roof for whatever I say.

Without going to spirituality, is there a greater secular crime to you than an attempt on your life?

If your foegive a person who attempted to end your life when you can punish him, are you not a person with greater degree of mercy than the person who simple made a statement to desuade a people from killing a person who they felt committed a crime on their societal morale?

The person who forgave a person with the attempt on his life is better, hence I think this man will even forgive a collection of crimes against him that is considerably less than attempt on his life. No?

Tell me a forgiveness than any prophet pronounced, and Muhammad forgave multiple of people who were his and his companions oppressors for 10 years straight, then tried to kill him, even as he escaped from them, then the Jewess was unwaivering in her determination about 7 or 8 years later, to kill him, yet he was the boss, with complete upperhand in both situations, and he did not kill either, not for the oppressions and the dirrect assult of ending his life!


Jesus of the Bible had a chance to forgive the two thieves on the Cross with him, he did not forgive one just for not recognsing him! How about killing the tree for just being tree, or the bad spirits that could have been commanded to disappear instead of letting them into a group of grazng pigs (animals that you guys with impunity, shameless about it), which made them run ino the water and drown themselves!

Such are the diference.

@GODSON2009: How do you defend your worship of a servant of Eloi, Jesus; the servant who you sent? And you say you a son uh, when even it is clear that your god is a servant of ANOTHER GOD! Does that make any sense, even after you have done a dissertation on AbdulWahabb/Wahabbi and Syid Qubt of the muslim Brotherhood? Shouldnt you be doing a bigger resaerch how the Christians culd see servant as what Jesus and his companions described him as, yet you said you are a son to his Master, when Jesus is actually your master and he has a Master, making you having a true Master like all mankind, while you also have a master who also has my Master as his own master?


Are you sincere or just playing around?

And the many Churches of Adeboye, 5 minutes walk or drive, or run, take your pick will be devoid of any essence of practicallity, essentially empty because the Aladuras, The Celstrals, The Cherubum and Seraphims, for sure The Catholics, The other orthodoxes of the world, and many will just pass by it, without a glance and search for their own type of Church!

Your idea about Adeboye is like the concept of Starbuck Coffee Company, it started strong, over developed and now its closed tons of stores. Let me advise you, tell Adeboye to build them. It will safe the Muslims a lot of money when we buy tons of them upon the Corporation bankrupting and needs to unload them and get pennies on dollar for them!

And as to the many children, they are blesssings of Allah. Dont have Children and you will dwindle down. Lets catch up with you guys and then lets see how smart your decision to population freeze is!

Go to Tafsir Ibn Kathir.

More importantly, the verse you quoted was explained by the verses below it, in the same way that the verse followed as to Muta abrogated it.

4:88 : Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance).

4:89 : They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad SAW). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.

4:90 : Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them.
4:91 : You will find others that wish to have security from you and security from their people. Every time they are sent back to temptation, they yield thereto. If they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them. In their case, We have provided you with a clear warrant against them.

Ogbeni Nezan where did I lie, except that you did not see my "qualifier", the facilitating by the elder to be dragged in the mud? Look, again.

@Nezan: « #28 on: Yesterday at 04:38:38 PM »

If Gani's burial is not your problem then shut your trap and stop spewing nonsense posts here.

Please apply this condition to youself on the matters of Islam, and we shall see how well you can hold, and for how long!

« #34 on: Yesterday at 05:32:10 PM »
cry nah. Maybe that will change this scenario.

btw, if all of you want to live breath and drink Mohammed without making allowance for the fact that you are not Mohammed, then its very hypocritical if you dont change your names to Mohammed.

Its Muhammad (AS), not Mohammed! And she has the gut to say if the muslims must, we should change our name. Two things she forgot from far away NZ; Muhammad is the last of the muslims' prophets (AS), so we do not have to really change our names to copy him, as followership as possible, because the Quran (he was described by his wife (Aisha (RA)) as the human personification of Quran. You dont have a prophet in Christendom, except that you have 3 gods. The only one you could see, a human being called Jesus, he is titled/nicknamed "Christ ", while you guys are trying to be "christ-like" and it is obvious that you failed miserably!

I want a christian to name a thing that Christ said that the Christ-like people must do, which they have done perfectly? Is it in the way of worship or the way of dealing with humans? How about the washing up to begin pray or the prayer that includes facial prostrations?

How about the allowing somebody to wack you on the cheek and turning the other without batting an eye?

While Muslims never say Muhammad-like, we quitely copy him and other that he said are copy worthy, but you guys "KEFERIS" said you are Christ-like, it seems more like anti-christ to me, since you abandone him, in everything instructions.

You worshipper of Servant Jesus are a trip; read the "ACTS" and deny Jesus was not a servant of Jehovah/Yahweh/Eloi, who sent him. If you are a worshipper of servant, how can you be the son of his Master, except you continue to live in denial of your real position and therefore mislabel yourselves?

Nezan and Co., are worshipper of the Servant Jesus, Who you sent, God.

Shwikh Abuzola, I did not go off topic except that I gave you Tafsir of the ayah, for that was the explanation, which shows the Apostates are of three different types; the one you fight and kill if you can is the group that progandas and takes up arm against you. From the below, you will find the ample information all of the preaches against killing just for leaving Islam, except there is the qualifier elements; openhostile enemy will to kill the muslis and hope that Islam is vanquished.


www.islamicperspectives.com/Apostasy1.htm - Cached - Simila


www.answering-christianity.com/apostates.htm - Cached - Similar