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@Niyi53: « #71 on: December 03, 2009, 06:03 AM »

I think you are having sahih muslim? In it, the holy prophet said "kayfa antum iza nazala fiikum ibn maryam wa imamukum minkun[b]"(how will you be when the son of mary descend among you and he will be an imam from among you[/b]), in another statement of the same book he used "wa am makum minkum"(and he will be an imam from among you). This tradition is making us know that the jesus would be from among the muslim umma.

Niyi, am glad that the other brothers have the time to dialogue with you and try to analyse the lexiconology of the arabic grammar, connecting the dots. For me, I would have thought that you believe every letter, word, sentence, phrase and chapter of the Quran? I simply ask you that you tell us how Jesus got to india from Jerusalem, and what did he do there, since he was not receiving any more Wahi, being that Quran says that Jesus was sent only to bani Israil, but to confirm Torah and inform them of the Rasul whose name is Ahmad (AS), you are telling me to give you a meaning of a word, which may have many meaning, except that the specific meaning must fit the sentence structure and the total message of the speech, verse or verses! Muhammad (AS) left the earth, immediately after the end of revelation to him.

Why would Jesus be left on earth for almost 90 years, if you believe that he died at the age of 120 years? Was there more revelation or he was left to just rot, doing nothing as a prophet, no revelation? And the first bolded did not mean that he was already appeared or that the listeners of that speech from the prophrt would be alive when the second coming was in place, because if Isa had spent 120 years, he would have been dead many centuries before Muhammad, and his second coming if you said that the sahabahs were supposed to be alive, would have happened by now, and there would have been a mahdi, along with him and dajjal, an even to have occurred long time before Ghulam. No? As to the second bolded imamship does not mean that he will lead the muslim in prayers, that being the position of Mahdi (unless you think Ghulam will reappear too?), and Jesus is a leader of faith, clearly preaching Islam of Muhammad (AS)!

My friend, prophet Muhammad said in the farewell address that his message should be carried to people, and maybe the people of successive generations to come will have better understanding og what was said. We all can think, and those who have good knowledge, when they hear, read something they think about it, its truth and its possibilities. Why do we muslims disagree with the Christians concepts of 3 persons; godship? It is because Allah says that He is One and He gives us human capable understanding evidences to support it! Further when I first heard that Muslims can marry cousins, I was shocked, thinking that this was reserved for the Messenger (AS) alone, until I asked people of knowledge who simply told me that it covers all muslims.

I immediately accepted it, though I will never do it. I got thinking that the males and females who may opt to marry their cousins may have personalities different from people like me who have no interest in doing it. Further, didnt Adam marry a clone from from his ribs, and his children their own siblings, and the grandchildren their first cousins? If Allah allows it their is no harm in it and it must have its benefit, greater than the any possible harm, and there is no compulsion in religion. Please show from Quran that says that Jesus died on this earth. Or provide same from the ahadith, if you can! This is very important.

I have already presented to you the tradition in which the holy prophet stated that jesus spent 120 yrs, and in that tradition, the holy prophet said that he would spend half of the age jesus spent.

If Jesus have spent 33 years with his people, and you also believe that he will come back, for him to spend 2 times, approximately of what the prophet spent, then that prophet statement from the Messenger (AS) about Isa bin Maryam (AS) referes to some 90 years he will still spend when he comes back to earth, except if you dont believe that he will come back, hence you disbelieve the Quran, and contradict yourself, probably the reason you are give us the idea that a different Jesus will come and not what Maryam gave birth to?

If therefore jesus is still alive, then the holy prophet is to still be alive.

Do you doubt that Muhammad (AS) is alive in his grave? Supporting evidences; Allah says the Slain warriors (shahid)are not dead. Muhammad said that in Isra wa Miraj, he saw Musa praying in his own grave "outside Jerusalem". Muhammad said of himself that when salaam is given to him, the angel will bring it to him, connecting his soul to his body so that he can hear it and respond to it.Let me ask you, Niyi, is there a time on earth that some salaama is not given to Muhammad (AS), and what does ahadith say to you, except that Muhammad is alive?

Do you believe that Muhammad led the prophets in Salah alal Ibrahima (as) in his isra wa miraj? Did Muhammad speak with Adam, Isa, Musa, Ibrahim (AS), just to list a few? Did Muhammad discuss with Musa (AS) about the numbers of salah per day? What were these prophets, then dead or alive? Finally, in the least evidence, when after Abbass (I think) RA, had passed, and was buried for a time, his grave was dug so that he could be moved to another place. In the process, of moving his foot was scratched, laxarated. Blood began to flow out of this opening as if he was still alive, or just frshly died Are these not proofs enough, for you? Finally, how would a person who has to do something in the future be able to do it, except that he will comeback, still made readied, though dormant until the time?

My brother, please improve you aqeedah. May Allah purify us all. Amin.

@babaearly; « #26 on: September 16, 2009, 07:06 AM »

@david and co
oh my Lord! the Peadophile says They are the True followers of Jesus. Wonders will never end oh.
please can someone quote that down before he modifies his err blunder. I'm using Wap.

I know its always too early for you so I will be direct. A guy claims that he is a Nigerian, so you ask for his family lineage to make that claim. Instead he is describing his Zulu tribe in Eastern and Southern African clan home. Is he truly a Nigerian, regardless how long he lives in Nigeria? This is the case with Christians borrowing the title of Jesus (AS) a slave of The Merciful, for their religion, just because the ignorant Antioch people named the companions/disciples that, and the followers of Paul, though build their own deviant message separate and apart from what Jesus said and his followers observed, which was enough reason that there was a big disagreement from these people with Paul who was Saul the persecutor, the todays Christians who are now followers of Paul, really are telling us they follow Jesus! You think followership is by name, only and not by deeds? While Jesus said he had a Lord God Who is One and he prayed to Him, the Christians have to have three and yet babaearly can say that he is a follower of Jesus! Qualify your statement please. Am ready to read your "proof".



@vanitty; « #28 on: September 16, 2009, 12:35 PM »

I also read in another website that Jesus preached Jihad
What this people do is take a verse of the Bible totally out of context and twist and twist until it fits their own Qu'ran version. Funny people

If I just simply post verses of weapon purchases and requesting slaying of people and cursing of people, all of them by Jesus, can we then say Jesus was a man who did not shy away from Jihad if he can do it? I know you will quote the whosoever lives by the sword will die by the sword, but will fail to ask yourself, did every sword liver (lol) died by it, and why would such a "meek gentle lamb" (lol) asked people around him to purchase swords, if they didnt have bags, and what were in them bags, man? lol.

And Jesus said that he came with war and not peace! Thats not Jihad, then what ualifies?



@davidylan; « #29 on: September 16, 2009, 03:17 PM »

Quote from: Abuzola on September 16, 2009, 05:13 AM
David you are hurt by my exposure that jesus prayed while his face is on the ground the way muslim pray. And you insult our Prophet as thief ? God will do justice to this

Praying with the face to the ground is NOT (i repeat is NOT) an exclusive muslim physical expression of prayer.

Please tell us those you think Jesus copied in that prayer process? Maybe you will settle for Hindu, Buhddist and Jews who still do same, spreading the whole body flat on the floor, lacking human honor! Islam does not allow a person to hurry into Salah, human honor and dignity is required, calmness is required.

To use this as the basis for claiming that Christ was a muslim is just completely dishonest. Christ - the anointed one . . . anointed by who? Allah?

Who anoited him? Please give me name or names in yoruba. Then names in Igbo (i wo, o sowo e daa daa. lol). Then give me the names in Syriac. the language of Jesus, still spoken in tiny community in Syria. Finally, tell me the names in Arabia. Or the Anointer does not have name in Arabia, but does in yoruba?

I didnt insult your prophet by calling him a thief, i simply called him what he exhibited himself to be . . . a thief and murderer.

Your statement is a misquote like the pupil of the eye that was hanging or like the three gods which became 1! The difference is that while the hanging pupil, a vacuum was a misquote, intending to say 'eyeball', but your saying thief and murderer and christian doctrine concept of God components (lol) of three (Yahweh, Jesus and no name ghost) as equal to 1 is completely different, the biggest collection of lies! The truth you refuse to accept, just because you are looking for a person who shall bear your burden. I have news for you man, Jesus will shout that you should leave him alone as he had shouted to the devil; get away from me satan. And he will tell you that he cant handle your burden, and that of each one of you lackies wanting him to be responsible than his own, crying out, in disappointment; why would you want me to take your burden when I have mine (lol) just like he shouted on your tree hangng story! Keep it up, david. You will give me chances to use the weaknesses against you.

Quote from: Abuzola on September 16, 2009, 05:13 AM
@david- jesus fell his face to the ground and prayed father i.e God to avert the crucifiction for him, blessed are the peacemakers they shall be called children of God, the word explicitly shows that God is the father and you are the son. Uban-giji means God and literally means father-hood, so whats your problem or are you saying God slept with christian mothers and impregnated them ? The word is just literal , how many times will i be explaining this to you, even a kindergarteen will comprehend.

this is dishonesty in its most vile form. When the bible talks about God as FATHER, it is meant LITERARILY also . . . if God means "father" then it AUTOMATICALLY invalidates allah as god since he is NOT a father to anyone.

Dude, how many mothers (wives) are there? Some children were born some two decades plus, even in Nigeria. I wonder who is literarily their father(s), based on your description of FATHER, above?

« #30 on: September 16, 2009, 03:18 PM »
Quote from: Abuzola on September 15, 2009, 11:06 PM
Must you lie on jesus ? Jesus did not accidentally fell or whatsoever, he deliberately did it, read the verse again. Do you know that Elijah too did the same ?
How many pastor have you seen fell on their face and prayed just like jesus did ? We are the true followers of jesus

Which of the pastoral denomination is the true follower of Jesus, since king James and gang left catholic who used to sell 'indulgence?' Did Jesus sell indulgence? The not falling on their faces is a proof that you guys abandone Jesus in the lush and gravitated to eunich Paul. No?

you are a follower of a false Jesus created by mohammad to justify wholesale stealing of Christian ideology. You claim to be the true followers of Jesus but need to consult the bible to look for His words?

Abuzola is using the Bible to ridicule your false belief that you are following Jesus, since he will say I do not know thee to you! What a muslim needs to know about Isa bin Maryam is there on the pages of Quran. The thing you need to always understand that Allah says we should never discriminate against any Messenger or Prophet, but our link to them is through Muhammad (AS)! I dont have to be a confirmed bachelor for example which is what Jesus was. Am sure you wont, so I can see you are truly following Jesus! I dont have to be naked, another example. But you wont do that either, a good follower you are! David I can just tear your argument to shred. But since you are son to me, let me give you time for some water, recuperate and then see what you got!

By the way, mayor elect of Atlanta georgia's name is Kasin Reed. Am sensing that he is muslim. Ohsisi, confirm that one to Nezan, who does not know that the Holder of his heart is not Jesus, by the Lord of Jesus, Allah Subhannah wa Ta'ala.

@reindeer; « #10 on: Yesterday at 11:20:37 PM »

Sincerely, Alhaji i would have believed all these stories about islam being all that, but for one fact, you choose to stay, live, work and raise your kids in America!If you are all that islamic as you claim, why not saudi?iran?iraq?indonesia?pakistan?no but you chose the 'great satan' america isnt it?

I studied here. I grew up here. If only Nigeria was not as miserly wit their academics, do you think I would have left Nigeria? I made many mistakes. I should have just simply crossed the street to Ghana, or some English speaking African country, so your suggestion is not appropriate. Now as to the great satan, America to me is not satanic for many reasons; there are muslims here, I live here and I would not have lived a moment inside any satan great or little. Many non muslims have good human qualities! Just because somebody labeled America such does not necessarily mean it is true, in the same vein that many call Nigeria 419 people does not mean that this is true! Even you a doctor said you have not seen anything good out of Lagos Muslims, yet the Governor is a muslim and I heard that he is the best of governors, yet! See how wrong you are, still?

So you see all your fake stories trying to eulogise islam wont work cos you yourself dont believe it enough rather you chose a system founded on christian principles, run by people who arent moslems, who fight moslems everyday, a system you and yours are always criticising and attacking yet you'd rather hold the american passport no?

Someday, I will live in 9ja. InshaAllah. So what will you say then, eat your words, above? By the way, the rule of law of USA is not christian principles.Please stop it. America is not fighting muslims everyday because there is at least 6 millions of us here!

Abeg, its clear, islam has nothing to offer you or you'd have joined those running back to somalia to fight.
now back to the point, what put me off finally in islam is the love for violence at the drop of a hat, a fight over 10pence will most likely result in some bloodletting where moslems are concerned.

You need to see Christian in America in the gambling halls, night clubs, shooting dice in the neighborhood, and school yard balls, etc, if they wager a penny, whoever does not pay may get shot! Dr. if you want to be an emergency Doctor (lol) you will make plenty of money setting your clinic to service the drug dealers and mafia people who are always Christians Am sure you will not say that Don Colione, Al Capone, John Gotti were muslims!

You even went ahead to criticize those at the helm of islamic affairs in Nigeria, why no go back there and fight against them, nope you wont, i forgot, now you are hooked on american TV,and who knows maybe entertainment channel
come to think of it, im sure you'd rather ogle the 'hot' american muslims than the 'penguins' of nothern nigeria

Zaynab is a Nigeria woman. Thats my wife. My wife aint bad, at all. She is my type. I am watching news, not entertainment channel. If I want hot American muslim, she will still have to put on the muslim garb on her own, and there are many of them here; Philadephia, NYC, and many many many many (lol) major centres. Further, my woman is very hot and she is all mine! There are muslims women in the south and they are not all northern people from Nigeria.

@Aloy~Emeka; « #3 on: December 03, 2009, 07:39 AM »

Quote from: Aloy~Emeka on December 03, 2009, 05:14 AM
I just quoted Abuzola, who happens to be a very respected faithful among nairaland muslims even though he has a knack for insulting kufirs. He clearly said that there are many school of thoughts that teach different doctrines and one can choose any one he or she wants as long as it suits his or her lifestyle. So if there is no underlying standard for measuring the Islamic faith, how may they claim that all these rules and regulations come from allah?. Allah is one yet he teaches different things to different islamic faithfuls depending on their social and religious leaning. Should the Allah who is one teach them one doctrine?

Welcome to the world of islam . . . now you know why Abrogation and De-abrogation is quite a useful tool in Islam. . . you can just pick and choose what you want.

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Olabowale is trying to avoid that question by going around it in circles but Abuzola's confession will be my witness.

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None of you can explain why there is disparity in Islamic teachings?

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do you sincerely expect them to tell you something that can be incriminating . . .

what could be incriminating in Islam that muslims will be hiding, especially when Quran is One and available in Original, unlike the many varied bible without a single one fit to stand muster, not in the original language, etc, etc (lol), both you can now find on the Web? We have hadith, sirah, etc on Web and men, please tell me where do you think any of the Imam's idea will be accepted if it is different from that of Muhammad (as) and what platform will that be imam be standing on, equal to the prophet? Who was the revelation given to and believers are commanded to follow?

If a man is not following the school of Muhammad, such a person is following the school of shaitan (laanatUllahi alal kafirin). The imams, each said if you find Muhammad's statement differing from mine, take that of the prophet, because if I had known it before I give mine, I would just have repeated what the beloved of Allah said!

Where are your manners, Emeka, No2Atheism, and gang for lying on Islam?

@RANK007: « #128 on: Yesterday at 06:00:55 PM »

^^^^^burn NL, please Mr ask you self what good has Islam done to the world, other than terrorism and holiganism, allah the panla, the pako, i dey hail

CNN USA, New York City's Post and daily news and I have a feeling that it must have filled the internet by now; Muhammad Sahail from Pakistan, owns a grocery story on Long Island, NY, and a man came to rob it this past May. Muhammad took his gun out, surprising the thief, first that a man stands up to fight for his properties, unlike you yellow belly who will let some hoodlum sleep with your wife in your own home, just because you are not ready to die.

Second, when the thief knew that his goode is cooked he went on his knees, begging. The muslim gave him a loaf of bread and 50 USD and advised him to go lead a clean life free of evil deeds. He didnt call the cops on him and he did nt say oh let pray, both the Christians would have done forcing the poor man to choose the less of two evils; either prison or becoming a born again pagan.

The thief this past few days wrote a letter of appreciation and included a 50 USD note. He declared that he is now a muslim. This last part, Ohsisi kills your opinion, once again that muslims are made in the prison. By the way Rank007, I have just shown you one thing that even Biblical jesus could not do. It is done by the follower of Muhammad (AS), even after 1400 he had left this earth, his message is as punyant as it delivered, just today. You see kindness? Having mercy, forgiving nd showing kindness when you are in the position where you have 100% advantage, to avenge, punish and give justice, yet you show mercy, wholesome forgiveness, and never turn the man to the authority to be punished and or push him to accept Islam on his tongue without first reaching his heart.

@Viaro, Davidylan, Neotic15, Nezan, reindeer, and gang who asked about the value of islam, there is your answer. Ohsisi, I want you to go get into a Hijab and a Kimar on your head, pronto! Am winning, hands down.

@Mayowaak: #156 on: Today at 04:19:58 PM »

is lam will become was lam.it is only a question of time.

Mayowaak will have to wait till end of time, considering that Islam is just getting to the Western Countries, and Allah says Islam will enter every home. Has it entered the White House? Only by names (Barackallah Hussaine) and by dinners. We need its foot print to be cemented, a natinal mosque, just like a national cathedral is. The dawn of Islam is only approaching, and its sunset is a long long way down the line, since dawn is not here yet in the over 1400 years Muhammad (AS) perfected it from its earliest inception, the creation of Adam (AS).

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@reindeer: « #5 on: Yesterday at 11:53:09 PM » How do you deal with your thieves, your fornicators, your adulterous, your killers? (Physician heal thee self!).
God deals with them with something called Grace and mersy.Something allah knows nothing about.

And then the Christian's Lake of Fire, while the Jews who think like Mulims, in a war, but much different from the Christians have Hell fire? Ohsisi, which one of them bad things are you willing in indulge in and let me see your gods, altogether cover you with grace and mercy! Listen, if you cant try it here because the government of the US may prosecute you thieft, and many but not adultery because its a daily manna here.

I will not encourage you to any of them, but if you are sure you have grace and mercy on all, and your conscience should be clear if grace and mercy are at work, them Nigeria is a good ground for you to play it out. Choose your point, and please leave adultery out of the menu, and let see the grace in action in Nigeria. You want to dip yourself in blood, there is a new jar of the 2000 years old waiting for you in any village, town or city Nigeria of your choice! Lol.

How many rich adulterers have been stoned and amputated?
hipocrites!

Did you ever read me say that Muslim communities are perfect? They are human, trying and there are a lot of hypocrites among us. I am one. But Islam is perfect and thats where you and I see things differently.

IBB stole millions,he still has his arms but some hungry man steals a fowl,you cut off his hand.barbaric bunch.
How do you deal with your adulterers?
Abach died on the laps of whores
Several Muslim leaders in Nigeria carry ashewo both male and female,what have you done to them?

I live in America and my voice is drowned by the hypocrites leading Nigerian Muslim communities in Nigeria. If I am in Nigeria, the first thing is to work on myself, as much as I do here and now. Then work on my family as I do from here, and not just the occassional visits.

Work on my community. All of these, I intend to do. What can I do with late Abacha whom you never hear me speak favorably about since his sin of adultery was revealed by Allah? What should I do by Babangida who calls himself [b]Evil[/b]genius? Until Babangida make Taubah and returns the loot, what do I have to do with him? And if I were in position of authority, I will demand people like him and others to return the loots by in the night blanketted arrest of all of them and putting them in Big time jail in a hostile enviroments; the Hausa taking him to Calabar Jail/prison and get Igbo man to head his issue. The youruba man to transfer him to Maiduguri and get a Kanuri guy to head his case.

The Igbo man to get him to Oyo and get Igala man to serve as his controller! The point I am making is this, neither of these men do I care to know and personally, am ashamed of them. Each time I have a chance to air my views as some people have brought Babangida's name to my table, I have always said I dont wanna deal with him. That include this morning and I am just telling you that as a person, Babangida is not a good flagbearer of Islam!

A silly law that is meant for the poor and lowly.
Have you never fornicated or committed adultery
why haven't you been stoned?

I dont fornicate and I dont perform adultery because Allah is protecting me. If I do either, you would have known! Am greedy when it comes to women, but I have been be able to close my eyes, as in "see no evil?" And my Lord has firmed up my faith and am able to handle even when my precious goods are not with me, so I fast to suppress by libido!

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@0hsisi: « #6 on: Today at 02:11:05 AM » People go to hajj with knives. The yemenis do! Yet no one uses it, duuh.

You don't remember past bloodsheds at hajj?
do you want me to refresh your memory?

Imagine if those who carry knives use them, then we will have many more dying with blood flowing in the street, like water. No? Allah says "And you are a people disunited (fighting generational wars to avenge earlier wrongs), and by Islam a Mercy from your Lord, you become a single brotherhood. Osisi, tell me, you dont see a great improvement between a cronic warring enemies who are now brothers who can even refuse to take revenge and refuse blood money, instead of wiping out a whole clan for the same wrong?

say so and I will.

Am all ears, listening so spill the beans!

I think you folks get fully posessed at hajj

When you become muslim, Zaynab will take you for your Hajj, tab I shall pick up.

how can people come out of supposedly a holy visit and they are told to weigh their luggage and they respond by hauling stones at the person.Stones capable of killing him.Or is that how you show love?

They one bad bad muslim apple spoils the bushel! But one good apple of the Christians, Jews, etc, in a bad bushel of Christian apples, always beautify te who bushel, though we see the worms all over them. go sidon.

Islam is a violent religion.It cannot change anyone and this hajj incidence is a testament to that.

Islam changed me from a possible hound to a person who say the best I have already. You do not see any improvement in there, because I know many of my contemporaries going to jazz clubs trying to get some some. On a lesser important example, Tiger is caught chasing tail, coast to coast. The last I check, he is a Christian. No, throwing plenty greens to keep what he is refusing to play with before. What about the wife of Shark the basketballer? Is she not a Christian wanting to drag her husband to the poor house? Ohsis, dont behave like her o. You are a 9ja woman. Keep your hubby, work with him.

And you sit there,a mature man excusing the violent behavior?
Is that what you teach your kids?
To use violence when they don't get their way?
I pity you folks

Where do you see me excusing any violence? Ohsis, if you continue to malign me, I will sue you big time and garnish your paycheck, except the weekly stipent! Oh, the boys are big now and only advise I can give. Zaynab kids, InshaAllah will get the best parenting from this seasoned "pruine", now you dont hae to remind me of my youth! Neither use violence and the future children will not use violence, either, InshaAllah. I pity you Ohsisi for remaining in a situation that when you count 1, 2, 3, you turn around and say it is 1! What kind of math is that, uh?

@Ohsisi: « #133 on: Today at 02:15:01 AM »  

Quote from: 9jaganja on Yesterday at 10:44:46 PM
Why did they bury her in Mecca? She a Nigerian and should be allowed to return home. Rest in peace

The nigerian keferis who died in america, their family will spend plenty money to beautify the dead with embalming fluid, pancake on the face, stupid casket and a new cheap dress/suit, and them a burial plot that the american hoodlums funeral homes, AKA grave raiders will later strip naked, after the foolish ceremony! Wasting away and throwing good money after bad. And at the end the dead will end in purgatory and finally in Hell, while before then the family is saddled with debt!

Muslims bury their dead before sundown.
I guess they just wrapped her in some mat and threw her in  an unmarked grave unceremoniously
How sad.

What ceremony you want, woman, song and dance and heineken? Dancing to hell is the way of the various kufar, christian. We dont do that in Islam.

A woman with perhaps husband and a family buried like a stray pet

Muslims dont do that. A king, a president, a prime minister, wealthy or poor is buried the same way; ghusl, shrouding, janazah prayer, and put in the grave! If she had died in nigeria, she would not have been more cared for. First, in Makka or Hajj as a whole she died as a mujahadin, buried in the precinct of Haram in Makka or in the precinct of where the Messenger (AS) and othe Sahabahs (RA) are buried in Madina. They are washed and prepared for burial only by believers, away from kufar family members. Who wants a kufar to touch him? I told my friends, if I die in America, please dont let any Kufar touch me and bury me immediately.
Osisi, you want to have a big party on your way to heaven where Paradise and Hell are presently located because they aint here on earth, be my guess. You wanna donate the body to medicine for experiment (lol I know you are too chicken to do it while you are hoping that the world will come to an end so that you beat out death, having one over Jesus, getting raptured, like Jerry fahwell), it aint gonna happen! The ostentatiousness of Gani Faweyinmi was what the muslim complained about because it was outside the scope of Islam. Now, Osisi, when I die in say 70 years from now, please dont show your face at my funeral, if you are still a Kufar because there will not be any red carpet rolled out for you.


@Mr. Cartha: « #134 on: Today at 03:05:21 AM »  

A whole Ichie, Oloye, Seriki, Dr., Professor Emeritus devil na im e go throw stone! Dem no tell am say na who go forest pick firewood wey carry ants for body na im automatically give lizard invitation?!

And you are not even up to the level of any of them, yet you have the gut to critise them?

@Ranks007:« #128 on: Yesterday at 06:00:55 PM »

^^^^^burn NL, please Mr ask you self what good has Islam done to the world, other than terrorism and holiganism, allah the panla, the pako, i dey hail

If I tell you just (1) thing that Islam brought to the world, that you never can do without, will you leave your religion that fails to teach you how to use the bathroom without soiling your draws after?

If a religion can even emphasis such an elementary cleanliness, what good is it? Or cleanliness is terrorism, holiganism, to you? I leave the panla and pako things alone since you are talking about allah and not Allah, The Almighty Creator!

Am going to let the christians trip over themselves while fighting it out wth Huxley in their efforts to fit Jesus, Holy Ghost (I miss that girl called ~Lady, so the ghost thing is for you, woman) and Father all together in the assortedly "unique" box of God, as quipped by the questioner.

When they fail, I am going to put Huxley, though he has a hard heart, except when he is sleeping the ghost seeing talking in tongue's christian women, and the christians, in their denial and multiplication existence, respectively whereby neither makes God Unique!

When you render something unnecessary, it loses all its actual function and role, unless you are absolutely sure! Huxley is not sure but just being a typical stubborn african who reads to much and lets all the fantasies get lodged in his head. He is not longer using his heart!

When you render something to have clones, co-equal with others, it actually loses the special position of Uniqueness , there is no exeption! The Christians are so lazy and irresponsible to take responsibility for their own actions, they have to find somebody to take the blame! I say to them and all muslims say that there is no partner with God, not Ghost, not Jesus, no way, no how!

@Deep Sight: There is nothing calle Godhead. God is not quantumfied as in Pyramidic constituents, where you have the pak and below are otheres. The peak will not be Unique because of the others in the pyramid

@reindeer: « #5 on: Yesterday at 11:53:09 PM »

Hey look!
Its open season, just keep stoning after you have gotten 'stoned' at the kaba,
violent lot!
Alhaji why na?must everything result in stoning, whipping,beheading,amputating etc??

How do you deal with your thieves, your fornicators, your adulterous, your killers? (Physician heal thee self!).


@0hsisi: « #6 on: Today at 02:11:05 AM »

These are the religious group that occupy some parts of Nigeria
Imagine if they had knives?
Heads would have rolled in Mecca.Thank God na only stones

People go to hajj with knives. The yemenis do! Yet no one uses it, duuh.

You never know,such actions may make the man stoned have a rethink on his mohamedanism

There is no muhammadnism. You should know better dr. Sorry the religiou think is different from the medical thing.

I guess after "stoning the devil" they get posessed by a stoning spirit

The one who is tempted is possessed. No? The one who is driven into the wilderness is possessed. No? I already have by pebbles to stone the stonables in Yankee land, be it the down south location or up north east! E don mada!

@Nuclearboy: « #281 on: Today at 01:24:25 PM »

@No2Atheism:
You've joined MavenBox and Viaro in my Hall of Fame with your response. The desire and willingness to learn and the humility that comes from accepting one's limitations are attributes to be admired.

Am thinking, where would nuclearboy calibrates himself: hall of shame, too?

@Abuzola:
I have admired you a great deal because you stand up for what you believe in and I still do. But you need to know its not all about winning. I'm sure you played football or something else sometime. Did you always win? Losing atimes is the way to Victory

Definitely, the yemeni people were already alive long time before Ibrahim (AS) was born, detested idolatry of his people in Ur of Iraq and left them. Please note that there was no Israelites until after Isaac was born and after Jacob was born and the first israelites if not Joseph and his brothers and sisters, it may only have included Jacob, but it can never include Isaac the father of Jacob and never never include Ibrahim (AS)! I may say that there is the possibility of traces of Yemeni Arabs in Egypt considering the possibility of trading ties between the two people. But only traces. But to deny that there was no possible intermingling between the two, is simply silly and not putting into consideration the human adventureous nature!

@Nuclearboy: « #277 on: Today at 06:05:43 AM »  

Voltron wrote:
the bolded gave us that the two were on the same level of sonship, until Adam was either demoted or Jesus promoted, as a result of Adam's sin, which the Judeo-Christian God did not forgive him of, hence Jesus is the only begotten son! What a concept, considering the fact that Adam (AS) was created from mud and water, as a son wouldnt his brother be made from the same things? (This confirms what Allah says in the Quran; the creation of Jesus is like the creation of Adam, they were both commanded to be alive by "Be, so it be".

Unless somebody can say that when Jesus was going to be begotten Something had to sleep with his mother, the virgin Mary thereby disvirgining her, yet they call her virgin still? Maybe since she was mounted and overshadowed and come upon her, this is how he is begotten? I am wondering if Nuclearboy is paying attention to the reality of his writing? This God made one son rotten and cleansed another, even though the cleansed son called somebody a "fool" though he stated a mere saying a thing like that will learn that person on "hell", did he not condemn himself by his own statement before he called somebody "a fool" at the end?

I know you will use the idea I did not bother going thru your post to make noise. Lets go thru it together

Nuclearboy, I sincerely enjoy the name that you gave me. I will in some form make use of it, say as a code for something before long. Now am going to cream you, so I am going to enjoy it, laughing at you. Sometimes a bad soul needs to be disgraced and not honored. The Jews who are the holder of your "salvation" (check your Bible before you respond without knowledge) take the same position, their primary reason for hanging Biblical Jesus, accursing his soul. No?

[1] Where have you seen Man, Angel or Divinity demoting and promoting children before.

Using your earlier statement, if the divine had two "Children" one is titled "begotten" because he is sinless, while the other who committed sin never was called that and infact his sin was not forgiven, now you tell me if one is not promoted and the other demoted, since they have the same everything and the only difference is sinless versus sin?
Do you know how to read and understand what you read in english, obviously a language that is not our mother's tongue since I dream in yoruba? If you can, then read and digest the exchanges between you and Abuzola, as I set it below and tell me if by the sin Adam didnt lose the sonship. Is losing out not being promoted, not being elevated, not being raised up to a status higher? Is Adam not less by his sin while Jesus is higher?

Posted by: Abuzola 1  
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Nuclear: what do you understand by the word 'only begotten son' ?

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@ABUZOLA
Only Begotten Son:
As I noted earlier in this same thread, where Jesus is concerned, we have a serious issue. Both Koran and Bible agree that He did not have an earthly father. As I asked then, who was the father of this person?
[1] A man (which means both Koran and Bible lied)
[2] an angel or satan (which also means both Koran and Bible lied)
[3] God (which you disagreed with)
    or
[4] the guy is a magician/amazing character who just appeared separate from God and man? which would mean He is at least equal to God who couldn't stop him.
Burden of proof is on me that it can be only [3] since you've declared it cannot be any of the other alternatives. Lets go ,  ,

Posted by: Abuzola 1  
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Interesting mr nuclearboy,  are you now saying that jesus is the only begotten son ?

Posted by: nuclearboy  
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@My dear Abuzola:
I would have said there were two of them i.e. Adam and Jesus. However, Adam lost his right to sonship when he was banished from God's presence (as it were, disowned) because of his sin and so yes, I say Jesus is the only begotten son.

If by that statement, somene is telling you that you achieved sarcasm, laugh at yourself.

Am laughing at your worthy to be dragged in the mud responses above, since you lied about making them, as you are trying to defame Voltron clearly a superior argument against your lies.

Is there no place in Christian's statement that they even say falling angel(s) and they call him Lucifer? Nuclearboy, am trying to inject some senses in your empty vessel, since you deny that no demotion or promotion, of son of anything! If you dont believe it ever happening then, you are correct and your Bible lies! If you believe that your Bible is correct, then your partial denial while attaching the whole thing to Jesus of the Bible on the Begotten bid, then you are a liar! Which one is it or is there a third option which is what I hold; you and your Bible are not correct!

[2] Mud and water?? I thought it was the breath of God that made him live. Is it not that same breath your Quran ascribes to "Allah" where Jesus was concerned? Are you on cheap drugs?

I dont use drug at all. Sorry to disappoint you, Omo Fela amugbo ara e. I do hope you speak yoruba. The Quran clearly says that mankind, the first being Adam (AS) is fashioned in Mud (earth, dirt, soil; take your pick), and water (everything is fashioned out of water, meaning part of the physicality or dont you have liquid in your body man? Blood is partly water. Ohsisi, reindeer help your disbelieving brother from his ignorance) and Soul which is the spiritual part of man! Didnt your Bible, sorry the OT part of it talked about man is made of death the reason that when you bry your dead you shovel dirt and say, earth to earth or dust to dust (dont blame me for my incorrection, am not a Keferi and i dont participate in anything keferi)?

[3] You confirm what I wrote that it was Kun fa ya kun (right spelling?). Whats new telling us what I already said. If you've nothing to write, have mercy on that war torn keyboard

No war torning here. Am toying with you most of the time to give you what they call a neck-shot at the right time. Kun fa ya Kun shows the ease of bringing anything to life, being, existence. It is unlike your Biblical process which forced the Biblical God to rest after the creation work, the reason you people always rest on the day of the lord, weekly! We do not have God's image (shape and spirit) and we are not in the believe that God put His mouth against Adam's mouth to moke his breath. Nothing of human is similar to God or part of God! These are the differences between you and I. You believe that you are similar to God, yet you die, and I, I am a creation of God and it is easy to see why I would die!

[4] Does the Koran say "something slept with Mary"? NOT ONLY ARE YOU BEING RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL TO ANOTHER PEOPLE'S SET OF BELIEFS BUT WORSE, YOU'RE LYING AGAINST YOUR OWN KORAN! Ol'elderly "boy", stop using those drugs. Drink plenty of water!

Who is most unjust than the one who lied against The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY? Nuclearboy, when you say God is 1/3 or a third of a collection of Gods, and that He has a son, begotten or otherwise, you have qualified as such, which prompted me to ask you, "how did God make babies with a human Virgin" if you say there was not sex, yet you say she was overshadowed and was came upon? Talk nuclearboy, except that you dont know when a male comes upon a female and overshadows her and the result is a baby called the son of that man by everyone, please tell me it aint sex? And if it is not, when I arrive in Nigeria, get me some pretty young woman say between 20 and 30 years, between 5' 8" and 5' 10", at 130 to 140 #, let her marry me Islamically (I know sex will be halal from there on), and then after I overshadow and come upon her and she delivers 9 months later, she will tell you that the bad boy left her virginless!

[5] In nyour quest to show how "intelligent" you are, you've reverted to type and tried to derail everything here - Virgin! When did we digress into the issue of Virginity here? Why didn't you spend your time replying the questions rather than jumping into insulting the Koran which said no man slept with her. I once asked this question  - Which is right? You or the Koran??

I dont know Koran, so there. You are not correct, man. If you know that no one slept with her, why say she deivered God's child? Dont you have any sense?

[6] Your English is reprehensible "God made one rotten etc." Typing for the sake of banging keyboards. I know you want to kill and drink blood. Unfortunately you can't so your keyboard, reason, good sense, truth and light are the things you're trying to kill. Was it not Sin that caused Adam's problem? Did God made him Rotten? Where was Jesus Sin? Did God then cleanse Him or His state of sinlessness kept him "cleansed"?

I dont drink blood, so your assertion that I want to kill, is silly. Now, which is worse, sinfulness or rottenness? The two are either the same or a rotten person is better than a sinful one. Adam has no problem and if he did at first it was temporary because God in the Quran inspired him (as He inspires still people who long for His Mercy, by repenting) to utter repenting words seeking forgiveness and God forgave him! When you are forgiven, you are washed clean of the sin, purified! You are make whole as if you never sinned in the first place! While the Christian bears still the burden of Adam and Eve, neither Adam and Eve even bear that burden anymore, nor the Muslim is concerned about it because no one will be blamed for the sin of another!

As I always conclude with you and I suspect this time will prove, now it is time to start JIHAD against your keyboard and show Nairaland your mental age. The redness of your eyes, violence of your speech, lack of reason of your thought processes all show thru your keyboard. Islam would be well rid of you as you're Islam's greatest opponent here. So show us more what you are now.

Should I respond to the above? No!

This time I know you will prove the spirit living in you that is fighting Islam even more than Christianity. At least above, you've stood against Islam so why should I worry for your spewing against Christianity or poor Nuclearboy. Fight on, Brother. Muhammad must be happy you didn't meet him on Earth

Allah created me at the appropriate time hence am here now. There was a time I was nothing. There will be a time I will be nothing. Come to think of it, the same conditions go for Jesus; there was a time he was nothing (say during the time of Joseph in Egypt), and there was a time he was and then now he is nothing (where can we find him if he is still something?).

LET ME POST THE BETTER NEWS THAN THE SLUDGE THAT NUCLEARBOY IS POSTING FIRST. THEN I WILL COME BACK TO CRUSH HIM IN THE TRU FASHON OF VOLTRON, THE NAME HE PREFERS FOR ME. "A KINDNESS FROM A MUSLIM THAT NO POSSIBILITY FOR A PARALLEL TO COME FROM A COMPARABLE PERSON IN CHRISTIANITY, FOR SURE THE CHRISTIANS ARE MORE GENEROUS AND GRACIOUS THAN THE JEWS, AND OTHER DISBELIEVERS!"

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"Now I have a new child and good job make good money staying out of trouble and taking care of my family. You gave me forty dollars thank you for sparing my life Because of that you change my life," reads the letter, in part.
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If the shop owner were to have been any other than a muslim, he would have said that I forgive him, but I dont mind if he is put in jail for his act.

« #258 on: Today at 06:57:28 PM »

@My dear Abuzola:
I would have said there were two of them i.e. Adam and Jesus. However, Adam lost his right to sonship when he was banished from God's presence (as it were, disowned) because of his sin and so yes, I say Jesus is the only begotten son.

There are deliberate mischievious misrepresentations pointing towards David etc because of verses deliberately misused for trouble mongering . However, all reasonable people accept and remember that David et al had earthly fathers and so the statements attributed to them were prophecies pointing towards a son who would have no earthly father, as such would start off "CLEAN" i.e. free from sin and most of all would end off "CLEAN". Let me use the Koran and Islamic literature again here:

the bolded gave us that the two were on the same level of sonship, until Adam was either demoted or Jesus promoted, as a result of Adam's sin, which the Judeo-Christian God did not forgive him of, hence Jesus is the only begotten son! What a concept, considering the fact that Adam (AS) was created from mud and water, as a son wouldnt his brother be made from the same things? (This confirms what Allah says in the Quran; the creation of Jesus is like the creation of Adam, they were both commanded to be alive by "Be, so it be".

Unless somebody can say that when Jesus was going to be begotten Something had to sleep with his mother, the virgin Mary thereby disvirgining her, yet they call her virgin still? Maybe since she was mounted and overshadowed and come upon her, this is how he is begotten? I am wondering if Nuclearboy is paying attention to the reality of his writing? This God made one son rotten and cleansed another, even though the cleansed son called somebody a "fool" though he stated a mere saying a thing like that will learn that person on "hell", did he not condemn himself by his own statement before he called somebody "a fool" at the end?

Koran 3:55b: Here Allah says "I will make those who follow you (Jesus) superior to those who disbelieve till the day of resurrection"

You think you are following Jesus? You must be kidding me. Where and how are you following Jesus? Is it by the drum beating or the Piano playing or the toe tapping, and foot stumping jiggle bugging and canery singing church service on Sunday instead of Temple Sabbath observation, or is it the never prostrating face, and never cleaning but pork eating Christianity practices, when Jesus was not a Christian while I have mistaking the Churches at the corner stores for a sport bar in NYC? Where exactly do you and Jesus merge, since Paul set his foot into the ministry of Jesus, he and the gentiles had shot down, silencing forever the true message of Jesus which is Islam! Tell me men and now you have to take the challenge. I say the followers of Jesus that were referred died long time before Paul got hold of the remnant and you now have christianity, a made up religion, not what Jesus brought!

Hadith Mishkat (Vol IV page 80): this says "when Jesus comes back, he will establish the Kingdom of God on earth in which there will remain no mutual Hatred, jealousy, enmity and rancour"

Remember you are waiting for rapture to heaven? Thats different from earth, duuh! Then Jesus will die and all mankind will die and then Judgement day after Allah recreated everyone. By the way there is no place that it says Kingdom of God shall be established by Jesus which you are leading us to believe it will be permanent. There is nothing like that in Islam for Jesus!

Given your (Muslims) belief that Muhammad was the last and "greatest" prophet, why does YOUR OWN literature specify Allah (God) choosing our dear carpenter (as you like to call him) over all of mankind (including Muhammad) to rule God's Kingdom? Which brings me to a logical conclusive question:: > Which would you choose to rule your kingdom? Your Son or your Servant?

Is there any place you can show us the bolded from any Islamic "literature" by your own definition? Finally, am a yoruba boy and we have a saying about slave who thinks he is one of the heir or free born (Ti a ba ka eru inu eru a baje)! You are exactly like that, you and Jesus, except it is your lip that says son about Jesus when he knew he is a slave!

So tell me Brother, who's the son here (as expressed by the Holy Koran)?

Show us from any part of the "Koran" Quran that you have a son of God? We are all waiting Nuclearboy!

shayatin is happy that another shayatin put on his type of garb! noetic15, a disbeliever in all its forms is still a disbeliever; atheist, agnostics, christian, jew, hindu, etc are still kufar!

@Delegiwa: « #105 on: Today at 04:35:35 PM »  

Quote from: 0hsisi on Today at 04:25:49 PM
So going to Hajj is now akin to an epidemic or pandemic?  
well na you talk am
And you'll fight those who call Islam a deadly religion ?

Ohsisi, you no go rest?  I no dey oh. ;

Dont worry about Ohsisi, this is her caustic/corrosive way of getting her two knees to to give me her good morning. If you dont know that yet, watch and learn or ask somebody. She knows that the most safe place and uncrowded place people can die! Example, a doctor who scrubbed up ready to enter the theater can die and will definitely die when his time comes. A person on the gurney going under the knives of the lady doctor who I know is a good doctor, being assisted by a good medical team, uch a patient can still expire, and there has been some who died!

@No2Atheism; « #100 on: Today at 02:38:11 PM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 02:31:02 PM
Is there anything a muslim is higher than another except by God piety? Nothing else, and skin color means nothing!

Tell that to the Black African who were forced out of North Africa by Arabs.
Tell that to the Black Africans being made slaves in Present day North Africa and Arab muslim dominated countries.
Tell that to the Black Africans being discriminated against by Arabs and Arabised Africans in present day Sudan.
Tell that to Allah that equates "Black" with "Jinn" and "Evil".
Tell that to someone who is ignorant of Islam.
Tell that to the millions of slaves that were traded by Arabs, uptill the last century.

the bolded is the biggest group of lies you have ever told. The others are things of ignorance of mankind, akin to white Christians of Europe, South and North America, about slavery of Africans, and brown people and the whole white race colonnising people from New Dehli to New Zealand (as am typing I realise there is somebody I know in NewZee) and Australian natives! We could use the same exact thinking cap to talk about white Christians enslaving the American natives killing them off, Europeanising Africans, and definitely the South American natives who are not speaking spanish while their own languages are now lost forever. Please man, go sidon in a corner-room chair (I did not say chair in the corner because he is an adult).


@Calsito: « #101 on: Today at 03:19:29 PM »  

@ Olabow it is not a good thing to die for a sin one did not commit. Those who died of  hiv and on another woman you mentioned died because of their sin.

Not all persons who died of HIV committed sin that led them to acquire HIV! Not all sinner who have HIV will die of it or already dead!  

Are you trying to say that whenever anyone is going to Mecca, such a person should be afraid of the inevitable. You and I know that death like this that is not warranted is not strange to Islam. You also know that Islam preaches the use of the sword but this same Islam is not in support of innocent killing. I am someone that knows certain things about the middle east. So you should not be telling me that this woman died fulfilling her religious duties and obligation. Even if this is so, what will you say about the sharia law or about the harsh laws that are in the middle east like  one in which women are treated like slaves despite the fact that they know that women should be dignified. Islam is part Jewish, part Christian, part pagan, it is part of every religion in the days of Prophet Mohammed which he crafted so as to  create a religion to serve his own purpose.

The culture of Islam is the culture of Islam, and separate and apart from any culture and that includes that of the Middle East and all arabs!I aught to know better than a non muslim, including a middle eastern non muslim! Islam is neither partly, Jusaism, Christianity nor paganism! How you arrive at this beats me, and it shows how naive you are about Islam. Any knowledge that is not applied for its related good is not a good knowledge. Its like books on the back of a donkey! I dont to respond to the other issues to touch up on, because frankly, Islam is standing apart from each.

@ogbronx: « #72 on: Today at 12:51:26 AM »

So,the devil can be found at a certian location and be stone yearly without dieing?you throw stones at what is spiritual and probably has great influence on you carrying the stones?i dont get it.if we stone the devil continiously and he doesnt die,what could that mean.Is he stronger?

I hope you are a christian, because this is what would have been the answer of Jesus, since the devil drove him into the wilderness long enough that he shouted "get away from me, satan", yet we read that he tempted him three time after? Was Satan stronger?

this is not the first to be heard.thousands have died during this practice.I have also heard the confession of a pilgrim who said blacks pple were stoned there as devils yet thousands struggle to go every year.na wa ooooooo!

What is pitiful is that a true believer confessed to you, a complete Kufar! It is either you are not telling us a reality or the pilgrim does not have a strong enough Iman. And it is unislamic to suspect anyone, so how can this pilgrim know that when a stone that is meant for shaitan hits a hajji, it was intentional because that person is not black stoning black whom he considers as a devil? How is a true believer going to stone his brother just he is not of the same skin color like him, when he must stand in prayer shoulder to shoulder, share food when breaking fast, and under the same Lord Authority through the same Messenger, Prophet? Some people, you imparticular should stop it! Big lies are shameful things to say.

Is there anything a muslim is higher than another except by God piety? Nothing else, and skin color means nothing!

@Reindeer: « #69 on: Yesterday at 10:36:28 PM »

Looks like the devil likes the muslims a lot, i mean why would he hang around to be stoned yearly all these while?
Im guessing the devil shoots back a few stones every now and then.
but really must that place be an annual killing field?its always one disaster or another.
Im guessing 'the reaper' lives there and gets mad whenever stones are hurled at him.
im suggesting they use Ak's next time around, maybe the devil doesnt die with stones,bullets might just do the trick
stoning the devil.hahahahahaa

The same "devil" that tormented Biblical Jesus. No? These two doctors are so easy its like taking candy from little baby when already asleep. The devil will not die until the humans on earth are dead. But will always be humiliated by Allah by the hands and actions of the muslims, who are not always falling for his tricks. Unlike you who is held as a slave by the devil since you do not want to be a slave of your Creator, that fool's gold syndrome makes you think that you are on the right track! Am sure you cant die for the pleasure of God, but will die for the pleasure of Naira, for sure Dollar and Euro! As much I like you I dont think I should go overboard here. I need to give a small dose to Ohsisi below. If Jesus your god couldnt kill the devil, how are we ordinary people who are slave to Allah kill him? In Surah Araf, Allah has given Shaitan reprieve till end of time, whereby he will die in the most painful death!


@0hsisi: « #70 on: Today at 12:08:56 AM »

15 Nigerian pilgrims died this year
This is serious.
Multiply that by how many nations of the world were represented,the figure could be mindblowing
Or is it only the Nigerians ones that die
na so death like them reach?
I didn't know the Hajj was a suicide mission on itself
If 15 people died in every crusade in Nigeria I bet people would think twice before going.

Ohsisi, how many died this year on H1N1 in yankee? How many died based on othe diseases, or even common allegy? Multiply that by so many countries of the world. Are you comparing the crusade of disbelief that you guys are having in our beloved nation to the compulsory Hajji? You must be kidding me! While crusade can be abrogated like you already abrogated OT, a more important thing even to Jesus, Hajj can never be unobserved for a single year until the end of time! Ohsisi, you make my day, tickling my funny bone by your statement above. 15 people died among how many freom Nigeria, it is now epidemic! What happened in your Hospital about those who died of heart problem, thats not epidemic?

@Calsito: « #87 on: Today at 11:19:59 AM »  

Why die in ignorance, thinking you died for religion. This so called devil should have died since all these years due to the numerous stoning rather it is our beloved people in the world who died. This is not the first time and i don't think this will be the last. Could remember the likes of one Justice of the Federal court of appeal, whose name i would not like to mention he was a man i respected so much. Alas he died untimely just like this woman.

Calsito, let me ask you, what happened to those who died because of H1N1 swine flu in a country like US, and even HIV/AIDS complex, shouldnt these things have died even with all the modern medicine? Am sure the federal justice of appeal (ra) who died is not as ignorant as you. No? Yet he left for Hajj and am sure he preferred his death as a pilgrim completely from if he were to die by HIV/AIDS or on a woman that is not his wife or H1N1 complication if he had contacted such an epidemic disease through time share in beer parlor. No?

Just because you think you are not ignorant, not willing to die while performing your religious obligation, you may not be a smart man. Seriously, and there is no way you can escape death. Or is there is as a non-muslim, even as you hope that you will be raptured in your Christendom? Even though I dont believe that Jesus died, yet, but you a muslim should know that you said Jesus himself did not escape death, not raptured! If he couldnt rapture himself, with all his unwillingness to die, dont you see how silly your taking him as the one to rapture you is, and calling him god too, along with ghost and a father?

 

@oloriooko (m): « #88 on: Today at 11:43:44 AM »  

@ poster.
I think it will get worse cos many children are going to be born to the muslims thereby increasing the followership. So the issue of stoning the devil will only get worse with more casualties.
But is the Saudi govt. not planning to do something about this?
How can 15 people die on HOLY pilgrimage and yet it is treated with such non challant attiutde?
Is it lawful to die during the pilgrimage?

Is it lawful not to die in Pilgrimage? Is there a place that a person should never die in, except he be an accursed soul, other than the cross which the christian says jesus died on? I am assuming that you are a Christian, so go do some soul searching!

Or do people deliberately kill themselves just to earn the title of dying in Mecca?
Is this not an abuse on the human rights of the attendees at the pilgrimage?
I think the Saudi govt. should be made to face the music of such horrible event and account for the people that show up for the pilgrimage!
Anyway, i feel very touched for the death of these people and may God console the families.  (if they are not rejoicing presently that one of their own passed on in the Holy Land!)

Oloriooko is reflective, but not totally logical. It is not permissable to wish for death and or kill oneself in Islam. Yet death death will occur when Allah Wills it! The Saudi Arabian Government though am not a fan of her, can organise better, but she cant prevent death that is ordained there and then, since no soul can expire unless it is ordained.

@Niyi53: « #41 on: December 01, 2009, 10:37 AM »

2) 3:55, and when Allah said o jesus i would cause you to die (a natural death.) and will exalt thee to Myself, and will clear thee from the charges of those who disbelieve, and will place those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, untill the day of resurrection,

When the bolded was said to Isa bin Maryam, he was still alive. No?

TAWAFFA, if it is from babi-t-tafhil, and the MUTAWAFFA(subject) is Allah or one of the angels, and the MUTAWAFFI (object) is a person with soul, the meaning is nothing but death. A thing contrary to this cannot be found in the quran nor in the books of hadith nor in arabic language nor in any book of arabic poetry. This example from the dictionaries, quran, and hadith will be sufficient:
tawaffa-l-lahu fulaanan means he took his soul.(aqrabul mawarid)
TAWAFFA LAHU means he took the soul.(qamusu muhit, lisan ul arab)
from the quran:
And those of you who die and leave wives behind,(2:234) and in death number us among the righteous(3:193) let death come to me in a state of submission to thy will and join me to the righteous(12:101).
From the traditions:
hazrat Aisha says 'TAWAFFA N nabiyyu fi bayti. (the holy prophet died in my room). In the funeral prayer, the holy prophet recite, man tawaffaitahu minna, fatawaffahu alal iman.
Ibn Abbas says in his tafsir, MUTAWAFFI KA MUMIITUKA. MUTAWAFFI KA is I will cause you to die.

Cause you to die, does not mean you are dead at the time of speech but a statement about death to occur in the future!

@Niyi53: « #45 on: December 01, 2009, 12:04 PM »

One more point is that Allah says in sura Nahl 20-21, and those on whom they call beside Allah created not anything, but they are themselves created. THEY ARE DEAD, NOT LIVING; AND THEY KNOW NOT WHEN THEY WILL BE RAISED.
Its a fact which the quran acknowledge, that jesus is among those been called upon beside Allah. Therefore according to this verse,all (no exception is made) is dead. JESUS IS THEREFORE DEAD.
And peace shall be on him who follows the guidiance. (20:47)

Its a good thing that you quoted the above! But you did not reflect upon it, for you would have realised that just in the late 1970s in Jonestown, Guyana South America, there was a man named Jim Jones, an American who made himself god and people worshipped him. He committed mass murder of his followers and even ordered the death of a US Congress man. Today Pastor Kim Young Moon of Moon Church worldwide is revered as a god by his followers. David Kuresh of Waco Texas was taking as god by his followers. The Heaven gates people took their leader as god too, and they died with him. Jeff, a Mormon Church roup leadership now in Prison in Nevada is revered as god by his followers. Most of these people called themselves god with their own lips, and those among them who didnt say that act like it and commands as if he is and his followers never question his authority but follows it!

I am sure you remember that Allah says in the Quran that they take their rabbis and their leaders as gods. And by the way these rabbis and leaders might not have said am god, so worship me, but when their actions indicate such authority, what else do you want? The prophet (AS) when asked by the former Jews and Christians who were Muslims about the verse that they take their Rabbis and leaders as gods, (AS) said to them when their rabbis and leaders forbids what Allah allows and or permits what Allah forbids, they are taking them as lord, god besides Allah, hence another sign of their disbelieving!

Finally, the late senator Ted Kennedy wrote a letter to Pope confessing and asking for forgiveness, and many Catholics go for confessions where they are forgiven by the priest. Now, Niyi53, who do you truly confess to and can forgive you? Your Lord. No? This is a sign that in the essence of it, as Allah was saying, He was saying that those whom the past disbelievers take as gods are dead, and it does not mean that the gods for all times, including those that the future disbeliever groups are all dead! Look Atheism is a group and 1000 years ago there was nothing like that. Today by the fact that they deny Allah or render Him not neessary is another form of changing Allah's word out of its place accepting the word of their leader(s). No?

@Niyi53: « #72 on: Today at 06:36:00 AM »

Why dont you find out the verse which says jesus is in the second heaven, yahya also with him, and so on? There is no such verse in the quran! I have read the quran from the begining to the end and i have never come across such verse.

The verse of the quran you quoted about taking covenent from prophets NEVER mentioned that such a prophet would be on earth walking, (3:81).

As for whether the quoted hadith is authentic or not, thats a baseless idea. Do you think the hadith we are having is only confined to the six authentic hadith? Let me tell you, there is no book authentic as the quran. It is having first class authenticity. May be you have not heard of kanzul ummal, baihaqi, hakam, musnad ibn hambal, dar u qutni and so on. Even hadith abu daud, is considered to be having some weak hadith in it. Even bukhari is also considered by some scholars to be having some weak traditions in it.

My argument is based on Quranic verses and authentic ahadith, which must agree with Quran. I dont accept ahadith just because it is called ahadith, or somebody says Aisha (RA) said it, because all ahadith must come from Muhammad (AS).

I want the two of you to prove from the quran that jesus was really raised bodily to heaven while asleep.
I would like to know how jesus is eating up there as God says in sura ambiya,8, and we gave them not a body that eats not nor were they to live eternally.

Did the people of the Cave and their dogs (Surah Kahf) ate? Did the one (Ezra (as)) from the children of Israel who wondered if bodies will be raised up ate as both groups were made to sleep for a long time, the Cave people for 300 years, I think? I think you need to look at the totality of the paragraph (verses) in the Quran.

@Niyi53: « #40 on: December 01, 2009, 10:08 AM »  

I believe jesus christ is dead the way other prophets died, but not on the cross. I also believe that "isa ibn maryam" is coming as foretold by the holy prophet (saw).

If you believe that he was dead in India, yet he is still coming back to signal end of time, to fight Dajjal at least, if nothing else, can you tell me if he will die a second death, so that the verse of Surah Rahman sayying that all things will die on earth and in heaven and what shall remain is Allah. Please tell me if Isa bin Maryam will have to die the second time, since there is an ahadith that says that when Allah is the Only One Living He will ask, "who is alive, including the kings of the earth? When there is no one to respond, Allah will say "it is Allah Alone Who remains." Will this condition ever to happen except Jesus shall die when he returns, while Allah says all soul shall taste death once?

The holy quran mentioned his death in a number of places more than it even mentioned the death of other prophet. And one fact still exist, and it is as long as the muslims are still believing that jesus is still alive, they are supporting them in their belief, because they would (in that case be worshipping a living god)

Please note that each time it was mentioned, it was as in a story being told of what has passed. For example, when Jesus was defending his mother, he said "the day I die", could that mean that he was dead when he was saying this? No. When Allah says to Isa "I will cause you to die," was he dead as this was being said? No. When Allah was saying in Surah Maida "Oh Isa bin Maryam did you tell people to worship you and your mother as gods with Allah?" Was that event taken place already, since it is for the day of Judgement? No.

 

This are my evidence (from the quran) that he is dead:
1) 5:117-  'and i was a witness over them as long as i remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them;and Thou Witness over all things'.

This is a conversation that Allah says that will occur on the day of Judgement! Has the day of Judgement occurred, or the signs of the last day here, already? No. Therefore there is still room before day of Judgement for Isa to actually die, since you believe in his second coming, he will die the first and the only time, finally at that time.

There is no doubt that this verse indicates clearly about the death of isa ibn maryam. This is because of the question asked at the begining of the preceding verse (and when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, son of mary, didst thou say to men, 'take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?). If we accept as it is said that, it is an event which is going to occur on the day of resurrection, then,we should know that jesus is saying that he was a witness and a watcher over his people as long as he was among them. And that they never turned in to disbelievers(taken him for a god), except after he left them(he died).

Since you resolved the will say, I will explain the after he left to mean that Allah simply revealed what will happened and you and I know that Jesus is not with us, now, and some people, the christians are falsely claiming that they follow him. You must know that when Jesus was on earth, receiving and preaching the revelation from Allah to his people, those who were with him did not call him god, nor called his mother anything except prophet and believer, respectively. You know that Trinity and Christianity began after Allah had saved his soul and body from being perished on the cross. He was saved, but how do you rekorn that he got to India and while he was in India, did he preach Islam that Allah gave him? Did he have Awariyyun (helpers) in India? If you can explain how he got to far away India, you will not be able to say that he did not preach as a prophet of Allah when he got to India, since you said that he remained on earth till he was 120 years old. No prophet remained on earth idle doing nothing after his mission, revelation was over, and from your statement he would have remained on earth hiding from the very determined Jews for abour 90 years doing no preaching. Muhammad died very soon after the end of the reveation, almost after Surah Nasr was revealed! Now when did Jesus die in India? This is very difficult to explain, and if you said that he preached in India, I am sure the Jews would have tried to kill him still, just as the Quraishi pursued the Muslims even to far away Ethiopia and even Muhammad to Madina, yet the Arabs are not as Prophet killers as the children of Israel!

But if it is that he returned from heaven as it is said, he would have surely knew that his followers have gone astray and have taken him for god. It is a known fact that the christians take jesus for god (5:72, indeed they are disbelievers who say surely Allah is none but the messiah son of mary.) and they have not stoped taking him for god. Then it would be a lair(God forbids) on his path to deny that he doesnt know about it.

I hope you areaware that Allah is the knower of everything and Jesus knowledge is limited. Allah says that the limbs shall witness against them. Let me ask you shouldnt the owner of the limb be willing keep his limb from witnesing against him, even now that it is in the Quran as the event of miracles to happen on the day of Judgement? Can they control it? No. Inshort Jesus only knew what Allah allowed for him.

In hadith bukhari, it is narrated that the holy prophet, on the day of judgement, would want to intercede for some people who would be on the left side. Then he would be told that they deviated after you have left them. Then the holy prophet would then recite 5:116. Bukhari vol 6, kitabu tafsir, 5:116.) does this mean that the holy prophet was also raised?

This question of yours seem to indicate that the only quality that defines a prophet is just one. Please you should know that if youuse this type of reasoning to argue your viewpoint, you will be not be showing any depth at all. Did Muhammad get raised up? Yes. Did Muhammad come down after that? Yes. Did Muhammad died after that at the end of time for him? Yes.

Did Adam get created in heaven? Yes. Did Adam entered Paradise? Yes. Did Adam get out of Paradise and sent to the earth? Yes. Did Adam died after his time? Yes. Why is it so difficult for you to believe that Jesus was raised up, and will return to earth to die after his time, finally, for the first and the only time?

@Niyi53: « #58 on: Yesterday at 07:28:38 PM »

@olabowale, i said i believe he is coming, but not the first jesus. Yes there is going to be two jesus, as there were two elijah.
You and abuzola have not yet refute my views with the quran and hadith.
Whether there is going to be two jinn or not, its not my concern, and what does that has to do with ones faith?
Provide the verses which says jesus is in heaven and prove it. It is not possible that jesus die and come back to life again, its against the quranic teachings

I was wondering if there is verse that says that Jesus is in Second heaven with his cousin Yahya bin Zakariyya (AS), while Adam (AS) is on first, Musa on sixth, telling Muhammad (AS) to ask Allah to reduce the number of daily salah until is settled at 5 per day, and Ibrahim on seventh leaning against Bait Mamur? We learn about these in ahadith, each authentic agreeing with Quranic verse or verses that it explain!

« #59 on: Yesterday at 08:42:44 PM »
@Abuzola and olabowale. I am still expecting your views in the light of the holy quran and and hadith to refute what i have presented.
There is a tradition of the holy prophet in kanzul ummal, which fixed the age of jesus at 120 yrs.
And there is also another which says 'if moses and jesus were alive, they would have among my followers(tafsir ibn katheer.
Is the holy prophet also contradicting himself?

The first bolded, is it authentic? The second bolded was said when Umar bin Khattab (RA) was glowing just because he was reading te Taurah of Musa (AS), while the Professor of religion Muhammad (AS) was with them. There is a verse in the Surah Imran that is line of this, which the ahadith forbidding Umar and you and I to read Taurah, Sabur and Injil as they have each in the Bible, even though we have to believe their authenticity as they were revealed to each prophet (AS) who received them. The verse in the Surah Imran is saying that "Allah took covenant from the Prophets, saying to them "if My Messenger were to arrive when you are on earth in your prophetic office, and you hear about his messengership, you must aid him and assist him." All of the prophets answered affirmatively to Allah that they will."

Niyi53, did any of them was still walking the street of any town any nation any continent when Muhammad arrived with the final phase to complete the religion given to man (Islam) by Allah? No. But if any were to be alive, wouldnt he have came to the aid and assistance and followership of Muhammad? Yes.

Allah's statement to the prophets before they were body and soul was simply repeated to the Prophet and the Muslims in the Quran to let them know what had happened in the past (qasas). This is also similar to the gathering of man souls together and taking the oath from them, Allah saying to them "Am I not your Lord?"

@focused123; #47 on: November 30, 2009, 01:55 PM »

Quote from: Abuzola 1 on November 30, 2009, 12:11 AM
I can't stop laughing at your hypocrisy
Stupid fool.
Isn't it true that your Quran commands you to beat your wife to nonsense if she is disobedient ?
Islam is for idiots.

one wonders why focused123 is not a muslim when he epitomised the bolded?

@Aloy~Emeka; Muhammad (AS) did not eat any of his wives. By the way Job (AS) beat his wife and that is the way to beat your if you are to do it. Research it in the Quran as an assignment. Am sure your Bible probably say something about beating wife, and sleeping with prostitutes thereby losing your SIGNET!

stoning a disbeliever (shayatini ins) is the way to go. Allah has set a humitiating post for shaitani their leader to me stoned.

i have my quarried pebbles already. where are you missy. (------), come out to playee ayee (culled from the 70s movie Warriors; the Coney Island, Brooklyn gang!).

aloy~emeka, while there are school of thoughts, the only one that is important is the school of thought of Muhammad (as). he is the rasul and the nabi with nubuwa. if any school of thought hears about his and choose to ignore it after hearing it, the rejecter have rejected true faith. no ifs, or buts.

there is no school of thought that says you can kill, or drink alcohol, or any of what you listed or any other that is bad in all normacy, and i want you to show any to me in normal condition, if you can.

aloy~emeka, please do me a favor and be honest and disinterested in your questioning, otherwise i will hae to say that you are exhibiting evil and lying spirit!

@PastorAIO: « #9 on: Yesterday at 11:00:31 PM »

Quote from: banom on Yesterday at 08:35:04 PM
pastor wats up ?
Heaven is up and earth is down. Messages therefore come down from heaven to earth, are received by certain fellows called prophets and relayed to the rest of mankind. Apparently according to our alhajis the message of the prophets are only exclusive to a certain people except for the message of the prophet mohammed which is not exclusive but inclusive of all peoples of this our beloved planet.
I am trying to ascertain to whom the messages of Adam are exclusive to and just who was excluded from this exclusive message.
And something else has just occurred to me now. Since the messages of these jewish prophets are exclusive only to Jews then what is Mohammad (an arab man) 's own inside. The koran keeps going on about them. To the exclusion of prophets from other parts of the world to which Olabowale cannot even name one for me. Na so so Jewish prophets sha.

One or more of none jewish Messengers and prophets; Adam, Idris, Nuh, Ibrahim, Lut, Salih, Shuaib, Hud, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub (Israil), Yususf (first generation Bani Israil, but not certain that he is Jew), Musa, all the way to Sulaiman (AS) and it was after his death that Israel as a nation was torn into two Judah and Israel. Pastor, proof me wrong otherwise, take Shahada, because islam is calling you and its hightime you humble yourself before your Creator! The word jew, or Judaism, or Jewish was never used until Israel got divided!

Now, Muhammad (AS), indeed the Quran speaks about what you wrongly label Jewish prophets, because they are prophets of Allah. By the way before Jacob there was no Israel, and long time after that we have Jew, Judaism, Jewish, and never never before! If I illustrate the prophets who are not arabs vis a vis their being mentioned in the Quran and spoken about by Muhammad (AS) by our mutual Yoruba culture (I intend to make your stomach churn by this), we will notice that all yorubas say they are Omo Oduduwa. The Yorubas include the Ijebus, the Egbas, the Ekitis and the Oyos. The Ijebus are completely different from the Ekitis. No? The humans therefore a the larger yorubas in this respect; wherefore we have the Children of Israel to represent the Ekitis, and the Arabs to represent the Egbas and all children of Adam to represent Children of Oduduwa! Did Ekiti people read Physics books from the Todun Oyewole and his brother. Did Ekiti people listened to Segun Bucknor, Tunji Oyelana, Fela Anikulapo? Of course, and they say to Ghanaians who loved Fela more than the nigerians, we are from the same source as Fela.

That's wat's up.

How about you, sir? What's up with you. How are you finding your renewed convictions in the existence of God?

@PASTORAIO: « #7 on: Today at 08:21:01 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 06:45:41 PM
@PastorAIO: They are sent to their people. Their people meant those who lived in their community. Example; Adam's people is his wife obviously, his children, his grandchildren, his great grandchilren, etc, etc in generation until he died.

But you said that Mohammed is the only prophet that has been sent to all the world.
Who else was in the world that Adam was not sent to in his prophethood.
Or even Seth and Noah sef.
If any prophet was sent to all the world surely it would be Adam. Please correct me if I am wrong. which communities in the world was Adam not sent to?

Since I do not have Seth as a prophet in the Quran, the Book that gave only 25 Messengers and or Prophets to cover the 124,000 as mentioned by ahadith of all that appeared on earth, starting from Adam and ending up with Muhammad (AS Jami'a), again I shall use Adam (AS) the father of mankind (am sure no Christian will refuse that he/she is Adam's child; lol) to illustrate Prophet to his people.

Let me use Jesus (AS) just to rubbish some silly ideas along, too. Jesus you and I will agree was a Messenger because he had a message. Also a prophet because he held the office of prophethood! So seeing that Jesus was a Messenger by his "NT" and prophet because he preached calling and speaking about the future, example his "Comforter" prophesy (AS). But in all of what Jesus did, he said with his own lips, unless the Bible is a liar (lol); "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". And to proof that point he called other tribemen obnobing with his people, dogs while his people are the "child at the table." The Jews call others today "gentiles" (lol).

We knew that the children of Israel were not the only people on earth in the time of Jesus, so jesus was not sent to all the world. Now, let me go back to Adam; at that time humans were not all over the world as we are today. The world was not therefore populated but by his family alone. We also know that there was a prophet after Adam, a clear indication that the messengership and or prophetic process was not completed and there was no end to it, yet!

Even in the time of Noah, the world was rejuvenated anew with us that are here, now from the remnant of what went with Noah in the Vessel. And we say many Messengers and Prophets came after him. Now, just to drive home the proof with Jesus, apart from the fact that Jesus was a limited people messenger and prophet, he Jesus prophetised that a Comforter shall arrive on the stage of humanity. That Comforter was Muhammad (AS). Surah Imran spoke about it, while Surah Saffa verse 6 confirmed it, by jesus declaring that he was to speak about OT valid as a document not to be abrogated by his people and that a Messenger (Comforter, a human being having the Spirituality from God) of God shall appear with the name Ahmad!