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@Maribron:

THis is exactly the reason why you should not dabble in Bible issues. The bible is a collection of holy books put together by men inspired by God. The Koran was a download by Mohammed from an angel.

Downloaded like computer, the rason there should be no mistakes, because it is exactly what he heard that he repeated. Thank you Maribron.

Both the Koran and bible talked about the coming of the Holy Spirit, who is God himself. I prefer to see the similarities than worry about the differences.

Show me where the Quran said this that holy spirit or god is coming? I want to read it from you, the Quranic temporary scholar for the day?

Only God (Holy Spirit) can teach you the bible.

So when Jesus said anoter Comforter, and you guys say it was fulfilled on the day of penticost by the holy spirit, you are talking about God? Yes, meaning another God, since another comforter means holy spirit/God? Read your piece for better understanding of your own Bible before you jump to the more advanced Quran. It is Q not K!

Your pastors knowledge or a Bible school ( a la Lady T) are inaccurate. Read Isa 2: 2- 4, John 14: 25-26, John 16, 12-14. Rev 5: 3-5, John 4: 23-24. It is because of these pastors, bible schools and human interpretation that we have different faiths today.

Pastors, Bible school teachers and human interpretation/interpreters are all humans. Afterall, you said the Bible was put together by humans. You did not see any ghost or spirit, or did you, except thats what humans told you? Or you have a different take on the subject that is out of this world?

However, let God be the justifyer, not man. I have good muslim friends and good catholics, pentecostal etc. Let love reign among men, do not input sin to your other human beings , no matter their faith or religion.

But you were not ashamed when you said the Quran in your bad spelling spoke about coming of the god/holy spirit. Now swalow that.

@gent2genius: Christianity didnt bring anything to nobody. The west went all over the world because of "economy" and they brought their religion.
All they did was make propfits and expand their territory of influence. They wouldnt have cared if you all go to hell except it helped to govern you, so they brought Bible along.

Go find out. If it was the religion first, I wondered if there would have been any muslim, or animist left in Nigeria. Surprisingly, the Stubborn Northerners beat them hands down! I wonder why they did not make them Christians in their kindness over the masses of Nigeria? And why Ibadan remained Islamic? You need to go sit yourself down and think about that for a moment, before you come back, with a wiki-answer! Lol. Wiki, I said.

And japan and the orient and Asia survived well, thank you without Christianity!

@Noetic:« #12 on: Today at 03:58:00 PM »

[A dead and buried guy, appearing to people in dreams. . . uhmn!!!!

He is just my dead guy (AS). I am not worshipping him. Alhamdulillah I love him, the reason I saw him. Read again; I saw his first and only wife at one time, then his companion, Umar Bin Khattab. None of them is more than human leader to me. I don't call Muhammad (AS) more than what he called himself. There is no where that I exagerated his position with me. He did not contradict himself. He was always a Messenger prophet (AS), not unlike where you see, am god, then and human prophet, or am send to a specifically named people and then am sent to everybody else! Calm down for me, man.

You on the other hand, a scholar and a gentleman, is worshipping an earlier dead guy, along with a ghost and then a father! Who is practising injustice between you and I? Aburo, thats another topic, and it aint here that we gonna hash it out. Leave it for another thread. You dig and dont derail this one.

Incidentally, I love my father, my aunt and a cousin. All of them dead. I have seen my father in dreams and my aunt and her son at least once. I did not see Hitler, or Awolowo or Fir'awn, each person I have a dislike for, because of their evilness. Have you ever dreamt and saw a fellow you love, who had passed? See, there was no Camera in the time of Muhammad, so no picture to go by, except what he said of himself in authentic ahadiths.

ur opinion does not count

My exact thought of you.


@Jarus (m)

@olabs, if I delete d video attempt, all d msg in dat post will go WT it. Shd i?

As long as somebody posts "the Last sermon, am fine with it



@Thor (m) « #14 on: Today at 04:48:56 PM »

I just saw him in the pub and he was well drunk. I would of thought that he could have held his beer better being a divine being?

Just shows you, you never can tell

It is worse than if I accused you of being a skinhead holligan, who had killed many people for the heck of it! You see how untrue that will be? Yet is even a better deal than what you said above.


@gen2genius « #15 on: Today at 06:59:35 PM »

MADNESS IN ACTION

How do you see someone that's dead and decayed thousands of years ago? Someone you NEVER saw when he was alive? How will you know he's the one you're seeing?

Dead, yes. But decayed, no. Muhammad (AS) is ghaib (unseen) to me, but not to his companions (RA). I can get my picture from his descriptions. I am not the only man who ever saw him in dreams. The prophet said that the Shaitan can not take his form. He made this statement for himself, alone. This is why the muslims say that "beware of jinns passing for Jesus!" Afterall, gentleman, you have a picture of Jesus, by a guy posing as him. A guy from Sweden or some collage of a Jewish looking man. In 1999, we saw a picture of a baby in diaper dubbed "millenmillennium!" Finally just yesterday I saw a picture of a woman breast feeding an infant. Under this mother and son special moment is a declaration: "Mary feeding God; Powerful!"

Is this what we humans have turned the Almighty Creator to be? I at this age will not even suckle milk like that and you have the gul to say God the Creator does?

ACCEPTED ISLAM
All his children except Abdur Rahman accepted Islam, and Abu Bakr separated from his son Abdur Rahman. (Web site)
Apart from Abu Bakr, Khadija was the other person who had accepted Islam readily and without any hesitation. (Web site)
FELT

@Abuzola: I am not insinuating that Aisha (RA) did not know her age. Aisha was supposed to be the speaker. If she was the speaker of ages 6, 7 or 10, for marrage and consumation, I am of the minority opinion.

My reason for taking this stand is nothing short of he fact that I read, over and over again, that Abu Bakr's children "all accepted" Islam, except Abdul Rahman, whom he "separated" from! That is a telling sign. One will have to ignore the fact that the "all" is used and no place it was mentioned that "any child", specifically Aisha was born, after he, Abu Bakr, accepted Islam, in Makka. Think about it. I am not a scholar and I am not alone in my opinion.

We can't call her statement "ahadith". And only when a statement is ahadith by being said by or said in thr presence of the Prophet that we can say ahadith and then qualifies it as sahih, or daif, in gradations.

Now tell me, shouldnt your parents know more about your time of birth than you? Say if an event of significant proportion happened in his life that affects your person, later, should one not ask if you were born at that time as it is said that "all" your father's children were affected by it? We have to assume that you were born aready, unless it can be said by yor parents that you werent.


If for some reason that you said you were 7 when another event happned in your family, and it was ten years after the first, then we must wonder if you actually know what you are talking about. Afterall, you are not a prophet of Allah or Allah Himself where by your veracity will be in question if you are incorrect, just one time. Then imagine how much verification analysis that another person reporting that you were 7 years old at the time of the second event, whereby you must have been assumed to be at least 10 years based on the condition of your parents having all their chilren, 10 years earlier?

Is that an ahadith as important as the marriage of prophet Muhammad (AS) to Aisha (RA) that has a single reporter? Let say the ahadith of Jibril for example. Maybe thats too high up since its a malaika interracting with a prophet.

Why dont we say the marriage of any of the other wives, or any of the battles or something like the Isra wa Miraj. Do we have just one person or a single chain of narration? In any of them?

And who can tell me what must make a statement an ahadith? Should it not be said by the prophet or said by somebody in his presence, whereby his silence is the sign of his acceptance?

Should we take the statment of Ali bin Abitalib, without the prophet sayng it, ahadith? When Umar organized the Tarawih prayer, after the third nights, he said it was a good "innovation", in the presence of the prophet. Two things I gather from this; first, his jamaah prayer on the fourth and subsequent days was a derivitve method from the fact that the prophet did lead jamaah prayers, day 1 through 3. And the other, is that Umar made sure he said what he said in the presence of the prophet, knowing fully well that the prophet will approve or disapprove it, as a final decision on the matter.

Finally, can anyone of you tell me what he or she was doing at age six, just as important as the marriage contract between Aisha/Prophet? We must bear in mind that Aisha did not participate in the writing of the contract. It has to be her parent, specifically Abu Bakr (RA).


I remember my very first school break, in the very early 160s. It was a month, but it seemed eternity to me. While I reluctantly agree with whatever it is im the Sahih ahadith, it must not disagree with the Quran and the expected character superiority that belongs to Muhammad (AS). If we do not analyse these tings and takes it as shaih, just because, then, we would have failed in many instances, namely

Equating Sahih with Quran.
Equating the collectors withah or at least Muhammad.
Our ability to think, and analyse things are not being utilized.
And the message of the last Qutbar is lost on our just laying down and accepting everything just because somebody says it is. That person is not our Lord or HisMessenger!


It does not matter with me, because there is wisdom in his marriage to her. But a statement from a companion, without coming from or sanctioned by the prophet (AS) can not be clasified as ahadith. Finally her age is not an act of ibadah, unlike her teaching us how to make janabah ghusul. You dont have to marry young, but it is important to have the specified shower if sex or emission come out of the sexual organs.

I wil stud the sira of Abu Bakr and I will let you now what my finding is.

And those who have the authority to cancel entries, please cancel, the two posts from me, where I thought I have been unsuccessful to attach video of the last Sermon of the Messenger (AS). I have asked Abuzola to attach it for me. I hope he can do it. Also, cancel tis entry because after the video entry by Abuzola, this entry will be useless. Jazakallahu Khair.

Brother Abuzola: May Allah accept your dua, for yourself, for your family, for all those you love and that which you made for the whole ummah and me and all mankind. Amin. Since 2002, my bride and anyone who I love have to be muslim. Zainab, though speaks fluent yoruba, it was not even a struggle to talk to her about Islam. Her igbo upbringing did not hinder her into accepting Islam. She could not have accepted it, immediately I told her about Islam, being a Lawyer, the evidence of having to worship one single God, with a specific and unique name, Allah appealed to her. Since then, even in her International Lawyering with the United Nations, travelling the world over, and making all kinds of money, her effort is now making other people, Lawyers and other associates considering Islam.

The other day, a male lawyer whose wife is her friend, but not yet a muslim, accepted Islam through just her observed qualities. The man asked that she talks to his wife, also a lawyer about Islam. This couple, both Lawyers in their mid-thirties and late 2os, are from Calabar. We ar hoping her mother becomes a muslim, soon. Amin.

My effort shall continue. There is an Ijebu Ode friend of mine who had just accepted Islam, just less than three weeks ago; Oluwaseyi Olawale Elekuru, did not need anyone to lie about Islam. Its pretty straight forward about Creator, not creators, God not gods, Lord and not lords. People can see that the Creator must have to be unique, better than the best of mankind, indeed anything created by Him. I saw a picture of a woman breast feeding an infant, and below it is "Mary breast feeding "God", powerful!" I could not believe my eye. To me that is an endictment against a eligion that a mere mortal could be God and another could be his mother, nursing him to strenght from the state of weakness.


To answer your question if the prophet look at me and if I saw his blessed eyes? Yes, looked at me, as we approached him before westopped next to him. We came up to him, directly from his right side. You can see the brilliance of the brightness of his face. The light in his eyes, was overwhelming. This was why I used the example of the faces of people just coming out of Salah. When you see a person make his last teslim, and just out of salah, look at his face. It is always calm, subdued and full of humility and humbleness to whoever he just finished talking to: Allah the Almighty. All the brightness of those people in jamaah, if you were able to add them together, it will be less than that of the face of the messenger (AS). Yet you can look at it, without it overpowering you into a daze or mesmerising stupor. You will know that you have just met a special human being. His eyes are like pearls, oval shape like an egg, tapering out to the side of the face. I used to love to wear Kul (the eye shape enhancer/cleaner, like the women eye liners), his eyes reminds me of a permanence of Kul. He has a body fragrance that is very uniquely his; sweet and tender like a Burkur, a very expensive Huud, and fancy buoquet blend.


I remember that in all that dust of arabia, in the heat of the almost midday, and the dust of the mountain trail, though every where was a trail, there was shade in his spot, without a visible camopy, and there was no dust particle flying in the air.


In a nutshell, he was what you will expect to have had the honor of receiving the Quran. Though (AS), special, but human in the sense of humanness. It actually made the Quran come alive for me: He simply bore all the descriptions of where He was described, directly or told to say what he was ordered to say!

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With this argument going on, between these two groups whose difference is just simply age, I was thinking to myself that these people are not even aware of the importance of this day, the day of arafat and their need to unite in brotherhood. However, we were inching closer, quickening our pace, because everyone wishes to secure a choicy spot, within the sea of people, yet away from distractions. Somebody in a group, ahead of us, somehow shouted quitely, the way Prophet Zakariyya shouted as an old man with a voice that carried so far a if talking in secret, when he made the dua for the birth of a son from him to carry the guidance in the house of Yaqub. This prayer he made was at his sanctuary (mirab) when he saw how Mariam was receving foods/fruits out of season. The announcer was loud enough that we can hear his announcement that the prophet was among the people on the mountain already. We noticed, people forming a crwd in a patiicular area of this vast mountain, or hill, almost mid way to its summit, a grade that has the sitting area, is where this large crowd is milling about, with a particular spot as its focus.

We headed toward this spot, hoping thats where the prophet is, and just about 30 yards before merge into this crowd, it suddenly dissolved, leaving in its result a man clearly distinctively important and gentle, almost bashful, sitting crosslegged, on a man, with his hands touch his feet. We rekorn that was probably the prophet, since we have not gotten close enough, and few people, 5 in each group , for so, were coming and going after a few pleasantries with him. I believed they were happy to meet him and considered it a thing of honor. As we got so close to him that we can hear anything he says, only on person remained, and he was just leaving, when the 11 person, if you counted me, arrived. We gave him our Salaam and wanted to touch him, like shake his hand.


At that particular tme he opened his mouth and call me by my Islam name, without look up. He seemed as if he had known me all my life. He in a firm resolved voice, though gentle and full of honor commanded me to make sure that I act as the peacemaker between these two bickering groups of old and young people, and make sure that they performed their obligatory duties of the day of Arafat, and the other days, without anymore animosity towards one another. As he spoke he look at the ground, as if Quran is being recited and one bends the head listening without doing much of anything else. This is when I noticed my party all kept quite, united as if they were not the people at each other's throat a moment ago, now in great unity as how mulim should be united. Just at that time I woke up. As looked at the watch on my wrist, it registered 9 am on Saturday morning.


As to the description of our beloved prophet, I need to say to you that it is true that shaitan the accursed can not take his form. When you see him, you see him, without any doubt. First his description is exactly as he described Prophet Ibrahim as he saw him leaning against the Bait Mamoor in the 7th heaven.

Note that he was sitting on a mat, with his legs crossed and the fingers of his hand resting on his toes, you can see that this man was a man who is comfortable in his own skin.

He was completely relaxed, and a little bashful, but not overtly shy, but noticeable humble and full of reverence to the Creator, the Only reason he was at that place at that time.

He is of medium built, not fat, but definitely not skinny or skinny. You will have to assume that if he stands he will at least measure close to 6ft. Definitely, no one will say that he was short, for a man. I noticed his neck. It was long, but not too long. Definitely, no one will say that he was a short necked man. For his height he probably weighs about 190 pounds. but not less. He look like a late 50something to maybe 62 years old man, without any sign of wrinkle or age showing on him. He was not a potbelly man, which was expected of a man that prayed all night long until Allah told himto do a half night maximum.

His face was soft, not hard and body but fleshy, pretty and radiant like the full moon. His beard was long, but not too long, with no grayness of noticeable intensity. His head was not shaven, so he wore a Kuffi (amama), witha matching white clothing. He was not in Hiram clothing. You can not consider me black, nor white he was just inbetween. I have seen people who will fit every ethnic group. IIn his case, that description fits him, more than any man on earth. You can see that he is clearly from Ibrahim's bloodline, since you can not tell them apart, if they were together. The same way you will feel when you you see either of his grandson with him.

I will never forget the brightness of his face, and the beauty of his skin. His face was so full of light, more than what you see of people, immediately after teslim out in a salah. His skin, is clean as if he had just made wudu, ecept that it was not wet. You will almost think that in all hs days, he never have been beat down by the sun and the heat of a place which he obvously lived during his lifetime. There is no sign of desert in him, with his soft hand, visible without touching it. You could lmost see the blood on his palm and his sole, as if they wree just flowing with just the skin acting as glass. It made you remember what Bilquis did in Prophet Sulaiman's court, thinking that the water was going to soak into her dress, not knowing that it was a highly polished type of marble floor/


Muhammad (AS) is a very handsome man and you see spirituality in him.

I think I will post the video of the last sermon here/ By the way my mother became muslim. And people think that I should be a daiyy.


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I asked my mother if she loved my father? Then I asked her if she loved me, her son, the one who looked like her, even have the same voice, except the masculinity of my oice and by body shape? My mother was taking aback, hearing me talk like this, for the very first time. In the long run, I simply said to her, "ma sell me Christianity!" But let me ask you questions, in the process. She responded that she knew that it is a way of salvation for her. Hence I asked her, who is God, and if Jesus was god or son of god and who is that ghost? In a nutshell, this soimple conversation revealed something about my mother: she said she knew Jesus was not God or son of God. So I asked her why worship with those who believe differently from her?

I then asked her to join me in worshipping Allah, a single God, Who there is no doubt or ambiquity of His Oneness? She became defensive and said that she will never leave the religion of Christianity. I was disappointed, but I remember theverse of the Quran where one is to lve the parents regardless of their religion. And the verse that says that one should obey tem until they ask you to disobey Allah. I immediately turned our conversation around, from religion to mother and child dialogue. Afterall, am her "little boy." About a month later, I discussed religion with her for the last time, in resolve that if she died I will not participated and neve will pray for her, in obedience to Allah's commandments. The next ting I did was to talk to my niece, her first grandchild. They love each other and her response showed maturity. She said, Uncle, when you are with grandma, she will almost do anything you ask of her. She loves you. I ask, over her Jesus? She said I do not know, but am sure your presence will go a long way.

What I did next was to talk to my sister and her husband, my brother inlaw. Both husband and wife said that she will come around as long as I arrive to see her. Of course, I was praying all the while, in sadja, I petition the Mos Merciful to have mercy on her and soften her heart to Islam.

Around late september or early October, I dreamt, after salatul Subh, about my beloved prophet (AS). It was on mount arafat, a day that really makes hajj, hajj, the 9th day of Dhul Hajj. The dream was so vivid as it I relive it every time I talk about it. It started by me being in the company of a group of people, walking towards the mountan to take our place for the process of hajj.The group of ten people contain about equal amount of older people in their early 50s compared to theyounger people in the age range of say 20 to 25. My presence with them, as they were arguing on which group will perform the hajj obligational duties first before the other, you can almost cut the tention between them with a knife! Of course in the middle of this argument, we continued to get closer to the destination.

In the summer of 2002, I dreamt about prophet Muhammad (AS). But before this dream, I dreamt about first Khadijah(RA) is first and only wife at a perticular time in his life. I can only remember a little of what I saw in my dream. Next, in just a couple of weeks or less than 2 months, I dreamt about Umar bin Khattab. This was really a dream that I can describe:

he wore very clean white shirt and a knicker, but not a full long pant. His age in this dream was between 24 and 28. I will say he was 26. He look young and strong, like a real man. Dark in complexion, with a lot of thick and plenty hair. Something like a real african. He reminds me of the way it has been described that Malaika Jibril appeared in his ahadith occasion of his thigh to thigh with Muhammad in the masjid in the "he came to teach you your religion." You see that he was very sure of himself. What he said to me, addressing me in my Islamic name is that I should never compromise my religion. And to be strong and be focus since am on the right path.

This period was a very trying time for me. The 911 had just happened and everywhere I turned, my business was being scrutinized. Even where I simply import commodities to the country, my name and my face will make the agencies pay unneccessary attention, hence we were not meeting deadlines with most of our contracts.


Anyway, after 911, I spoke to y mother, for the first time about Islam. She was a christian while my late father (ra) was a muslim. My mother had two children, both of us, my older sister and I are muslims, Alhamdulillah. My mother was a daughter of a muslim mother and a christian father. She was the first born of both parents, and her younger sister, my aunt (ra) followed her mother in religion while my mom was obviously her father's religious mate.

For many years, since I learnt about the fate of non Muslims, I did not want my mother to experience it. Her father was not my problem, since its more of a relatinship through my mother and the fact that he had passed on, anyway, I needed to struggle for the soul of my mother. Since 1990 or so, I had been bothered by her not being a muslim, like me and my sister, if we have to put aside her husband, my father aside for a moment. My concern is that here is this woman that I love so much, really my first love, will die one day and all her burial activities will be a thing I will not wish on my enemy, yet it will be performed on her!

at lenght, I confided witha a moroccan frind of mine about this abnormal thing in my life. That was 1999 running 2000. Everyone was telling me that maybe I will be allowed to make shifah for her. But I do not even want her to even go to hell for a single moment. I could use my shifah, if granted one on a distance relative, at least I do not want my mother to suffer at all. In those days, I was not having sex simply because I was not married, a proof that it benefits the body and soul to follwo Muhammad (AS)

Now after 9111, I casually mention to my mother that I was concern and wanted to know how her mother, a musim could marry a christian man. And she my mother a christian marrying a muslim. And I have just done that in the 1980s. She and my exwife bear the same name. It was almost as if I lived with my mother, still through my ex. Finaly after 2001, I was eager to get married, again. And now I was looking. But the issue of my mother being a christian preoccupied my mind and I do not want to marry a non-muslim or a weak faithed muslim. I met a hausa ghanaian, bambara malian and even fulani senegalese. Each attractive, but i see cracks in their Islam and I was not willing to cajole anyone, especially those from Islamic background! If they love Islam, they would be observing it propaerly. It was in this frame of mind, that I in another occasion that my mother and I went toe to toe in religious discussion.

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Prophet Muhammad Aisha marriage. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh - peace be upon him) and Aisha (ra) Islamic marriage fulfills all modern criteria of ,
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If you say Jesus is lord, whats Mary, and whats Joseph, and who is Mary's husband the father of lord Jesus?

And Abuzola could never be the anti-christ. He is a muslim. Muslims are never anti-christ, otherwise, you will not find anything good to say about Jesus in the Quran! Instead, all that was said was all good!

Redefine your statement. Or you just like to mislabel people whatever label you feel, as soon as they are not tolling your line?

@Noetic:« #115 on: Today at 05:40:14 PM »

Quote from: fellis on Today at 05:07:10 PM
Please, this whole 9yrs of marriage issue is tiring. Even if it is true, it happened back then.
so u actually know that it is true?

when you intentionally factor out "if" of fellis quote, we already know you had no good intention.

1. mohammed started this nefarious and ridiculous act of paedophilia. The islamic world including saudi arabia, iran,iraq and nothern nigeria are PRESENTLY emulating mohammed's paedophilia act.

You forgot Lagos, Ibadan, Ijebu Ode, Epe, Ikorodu, and many other places. Yet 50 years ago, among the Yorubas, did we have a woman who was 30 years old that was never married? Whats the condition in today's rat race of career first before motherhood? Was the yoruba back then immoral to not have had a 30something who was unmarried? Its your morality that I wanna question now:

Are you married and what was your vaginity like before you got married, Christian man? Did you ever sleep with a female that was not your wife? You see if you lived in the time of Jesus, you will be one of those dragged out for stoning. If you lived in the time of Muhammad (AS) you would have received only 100 lashes!


]quote]2. No one is asking u for an explanation. We are simply revealing the ridiculous and nefarious personality of mohammed. . . .so please stop saying that mohammed is a perfect man that all mankind must emulate.

[/quote]And I am not worthy of "untying his sandals", yet I am here in ridiculously fraky America without ever compromising myself. I remember when I was in school, and all the christian boys will be going to job corp places and night clubs/discos and buying Rifers/marijuana for the poor women for cheap sex, I held my ground, not yielding to pressures. Infact I was puting them to shame in those days. Sleeping with dirty and unclean (don't know how to be suffisticated) women! What your woman taste man?



[quote]3. one wonders why allah never stopped mohammed from sleeping with a 9 year old, marry 11 wives and kill non-muslims. Allah is definitely not the Jehovah God we know.

You are right, Allah is different from Jehovah! No wonder your human god did not cry out Jehovah, instead it was his accented Allah, as in Eli, Eloi! Finally, (nkon to ma nsun mi loro eni yen. O ma tenu moro bipe o gbo nkon mii!), when Allah did not stop him, it means it is okay; woman is mature and it is not against the sharia! Deal with it! And the 11 wives are alright with me.

@$Osisi: « #151 on: Yesterday at 09:01:53 PM »

Waraqua wrote the stories he copied into the Koran.
That is my point
read the hadiths again

After I read the ahadith again, I now ask you, "young girl", tell me where in the Bible the "Body" of Pharaoh is reportedly recovered so that future doubters like Chrisbenogor can be confronted by it as explicitly stated in the Quran?

Show us how Yusuf was able to salvage his honor against the wife of his boss, from the Bible. The Quran is very explicit about it. You need to read Surah Yusuf just before he gave the meaning of the King's dreams! Lol.

Where is Hotfunmi?

@$Osisi:

I'm not a student of English and literature but I try

pay particular attention to the conjuctions highlighted and the sequence of events.
1.warraqua died
2.and the divine inspirations paused a while

Is there a proof that Waraqah playe any role in why Jibril came to Muhammad the first time? Is Jibril not coming back the second time, until Waraqah died is a direct function of Waraqah being alive or dead? These are your assignment for the week. I will be waiting to to grade you. I know you are not a rocket scientist!

3.so that Mohammed was grieved

Kindness was displayed. And his grief was not because Waraqah and revelation were connected, beause the connection is not there since he received a revelation before meeting with Waraqah to know who was the carrier of revelation who called himself Jibril. He and his wife (RA) did not go to Waraqah for the meaning of revelation. Or do you have any proof?

does one need a rocket scientist to tell the vital role that waraqua did in writing the Koran?

What arocket scientist will tell you that since revelation came before meeting with Waraqah, his importance is dimished some. Then he will tell you, further that Muhammad not asking about the meaning of the revelation, but just wanted to know the person/thing/being that called himself Jibril, diminishes even further. Finally since he eceived revelation for 23 years afer Waraqah, then, any suggestion about Waraqah is zero%!

@$Osisi: « #149 on: Yesterday at 07:43:20 PM »

why then did the revelation stop for a while after waraqua died and Mohammed was distraught?
If waraqua was useless in the writing of the Koran,why did his death make a difference?
The koran is not arranged chronologically so waraqua's job on the Christian stories had been done perhaps.
see it again

Perhaps, you said. It shows that you lacked certainty of the situation. If Waraqah was not useless initially, he became useless in the long 23 years that followed. But was there any record that Muhammad (AS) visited Waraqah for any other reason or any other time, except for what was known about the only visit? Namely one visit only at the insistance of his only wife Khadijah (and remember he was labelled by you as a sex craze, by you?), to find out, since Waraqah had knowledge of Jibril visiting prophets, Musa (AS), while MUhammad (AS) was seeing Jibril for the very first time, and, no Arabs had before him, so there was no story among the arabs about it, at least.

The death of Waraqah was just incidentally coincident with the interval of the first and the second revelations! Afterall, without Waraqah, it began and there were periods in the 23 years that followed that the frquency of revelation was not as heavy in its flow as some other periods. Do we have another death of a Waraqah responsible for these periods of infrequencies, too?

@$Osisi: « #148 on: Yesterday at 07:39:27 PM »  

Leave abuzola alone
He wants to know the real God and call him father.
It's obvious his heart is not as seared as yours
see his aisha thread to find out.

Yet with all that he and I will talk on the phone, when the time is right. And you who have had my phone in your hand for years has given all kinda lame excuses under the sun to speak. We understand before marriage, but after you have one established, whats your problem?

My answer is that your heart is harder than a steal or stone, and you think hearing a muslim talking to you, your vunerability will spill out. No my friend. And a single mistype from Abuzola does not make him a disbeliever! We have test and that was his, and he has room to make taubah and Allah is Ghafur, Ghafar, Afuww Rahim!

By the way am not homw, in not like you are going to call. Lol. And he Abuzola knows the "The God Allah" already! What about you? Commot for road.

@Chrisbenogor:

the first one is this, I want you to kindly tell nairalanders the difference between sunni and shia muslims so we can see if it is not the same problem christians have,

It is the kalifah suceession issue that you have. The shia believed that it is Ali (RA) instead of Abu Bakr (RA). Then they were angry with Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman for this. These men were the three before Ali, the fourth Kalifah, simply because he was from the bloodline of the prophet (AS), was their argument.

They used the Quranic verse about call your people and I call mine and we pray and invoke Allah for truth for their argument! They forget that Muhammad;s choice of family bloodline where Ali was a true member is not what really matter here. What matter were many of the circumstances ability to unite the Ummah which was carried out until the time of Ali. There was no disagreement with Ali and any of those who ruled before him (RA Jamiah). There was no shia or sunni either until the marttrdoom of Imam Hussain, the grandson of the prophet, and the son of Ali and Fatima the daughter of the prophet (RA Jamiah).

Again, I have prayed behind a shia man, named Shaikh Tariq Salah from Egypt in New Jersey, now in Queens New York! I do not see know a catholic that will worship in protestant church and vice versa. And the Quran is one, and the Bible of the protestant and Catholic are completely different. And I have not mentioned the Later Day Saint to really bring out my point, here. Lets forget the interpretations,or what a person calls the meaning of a verse, the fact that MUslims have the same Quran, is enough proof of a commonality, with the fact that to be a muslim, you have to accept the two testimonies, salah, charity, fating and Hajj, without any doubt.

and oh by the way almost all christians exception of the catholics have the same books in the bible and believe me the problems they have do not come from the books that are different, they are mostly interpretation problems.

Almost is not good enough. What happens to the later day saints' bible of the mormons? Did you forget that?

As for Moses and his mass migration through the desert there is no historical evidence that corroborates the stories, if there are please let us know and let us stop the hearsay.

The evidence that a pharaoh drowned in the sea, with salt found in his lung is enough. Allah knows that there will be doubters like you, His reason fro saying the body will be preserved as a sign for those who will come in the later generations.

Finally I want you to make an appeal to your side kicks to call of this their campaign of smearing the bible as bad, your religious book has as much bloodshed in it as the bible and you both believe these books because of faith.

I have no sidekick and not a boss of anyone. You said this is freedom of speech, and you have been free to say what you want. Rightly or wrongly, no one can police yor speech. At least thats my take on this. Whoever you think is saying evil things, let me know and the best I can do within reasonis to appeal to him or her, if you provide evidence which I will make clear to him/her for considerations.

The bible and the quran have never and will never pass any historical tests, simple as ABC.

My evidence that it is a fee speech forum. You have your opinion and I have mine! Lets look at your opinion; was there a time that Egypt had a fermine under a pharaoh? If there is, then there was a Joseph that helped him out. Lets start from there!

Part of the proof that a person is such and such old is to identify the year of the birth. If my mother, for example did not tell me that I was born some 50something years ago (I know my exact date of birth, including the precise time), it may be possible that I claim a certain later year or earlier year, depending where I am and if it serves a beneficial purpose.

Some people here in america will take their children to private school, and inflate the age, so that the child is accepted and attend school. Others may say, at later date that they are younger (the african do this) in order to qualify for this and that.

My argument, innitially was a result of the pedophilia charge(s). Hence I had argued that it was not a possibility that it is the case. So I supported myself even with evidence of the fact that no particular age is designated across the board for all females in this world, in all cultures and generation as age of puberty. There are biological signs, however that serve as evidences, and all do not have to have happened to a person before they can be identified as reaching that age of puberty. For example a person who rarely look down around his or her pelvic area may not notice the presence of hair when it newly appears.It may have been there for a while before noticing it, and may occur earlier than when the voice changed to bassier, deeper, etc, instead of the more punny of the prepuberty. For women, and we have seen that there are even today no marked age for this, except there are the usual signs, and some comes even as early as you can imagine.


All of these been said, we must not forget that Abu Bakr and his wife (RA) will have more accurate information than anyone on earth about when their own chidren were born. What I did not read is that either parents spoke about the ages of their children, or particularly Aisha (RA). I believe that the sira of Abu Bakr will shed more light on the birth, and it will have to be considered releant especially what the family went through after accepting Islam. The ahadith, or statement of Abu Bakr saying that she has been bethroned to Jubair, the pagan, is very germaine, to this argument since he on one hand was keping his promise or his agreement in the contract, and on the other hand indicating that the only way the proposal of prophet Muhammad could be honored is if the pagan completely refused the to go on with the contract. We learn couple of things from this:

Abu Bakr would not have given his daughter aware in marriage to Jubair, unless she was woman enough to handle the wife responsibility. That will have to include sexual intercourse.
Abu Bakr was not capitulating to Muhammad, as per the insinuated statement of the disbelievers, that he could not staned up in anyway by offering objection.
When the contract of Muhammad and Aisha was finally written, that was the second contract on Aisha, the first being from Jubair who renaged.

If anyone therefore was to argue about the underageness of Aisha, one will have to wonder what they thing about the first contract, before tey even consider to critique the second, the second being from Muhammad?

a lawyer friend of mine was arguing yesterday about this issue: he tries sexual cases all the time in New York courts. He remarked that in all the personal and emotional and social characterizations of sexual offenders, not a single one fits Muhammad (AS)! He further stated that biologically, Aisha was a woman, not a girl anymore (by the way many of today;s 20 and 30something women may refer themselves as girls! $Osisi will say she is a girl to me. So will thiefofheart, Pilgrim.1, ~Lady~, etc. Further he argued that the society permitted the relationship. It was practiced then, and somehow still practiced now, even in america. The age for marriage is as low as you may not want to hear it, say in Utah, and the Dakotas, etc.

er father, an aristicrate in the society permitted it and so was her mother. The fact that a contract existed from somebody else before Muhammad's, is evidence enough that nothing was wrong with the contract of Muhammad (AS). Finally she never regretted the marriage and had always good things to say about it, even whenshe was chastised along with other wives, in the Quran. No enemy used this relationship as a weapon against Muhammad (AS).It is any and all of these that we must use to educate ourselves about this special marriage.

For me, Alhamdulillah, I have no problem with whatever the Prophet did. I had said that before and I am not an apologist or a liar, as Noetic have said. There is nothing wrong with it, as the Makkan all agreed with it. I Olabowale, if I find an attractive and matured 18 year old woman, who is eager to marry, and I am available for her, do you think I will let her go? No. If she is halal and ready, there is no problem in my mind. Every society have their own moral codes. My is determined by the soiety that I live in, in this time, as long as it does not go against Islam, the code that I will live by always, as soon as I know it!

@Noetic: THe below is for you to read:

[93.10] And as for him who asks, do not chide (him),

[4.94] O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.

If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!" [Holy Qur'an 03:61]

And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own,- their solitary evidence (can be received) if they bear witness four times (with an oath) by Allah that they are solemnly telling the truth; And the fifth (oath) (should be) that they solemnly invoke the curse of Allah on themselves if they tell a lie. [Holy Qur'an 24:6-7]

Verily, those who conceal the clear proofs, evidence and guidance, which We have sent down, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, they are the ones cursed by Allah and cursed by the cursers.
Except those who repent and do righteous deeds, and openly declare (the truth which they concealed). These, I will accept their repentance. And I am the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. [Holy Qur'an, Al-Baqarah (2):159-160][/size]

Ibn Sa`d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr (father of `A’ishah) was approached on behalf of the Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that `A’ishah must have been approaching maturity at the time.

Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatimah, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than `A’ishah. This shows that `A’ishah must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be.

This is further borne out by the fact that `A’ishah herself is reported to have stated that when the fifty-fourth chapter [i.e., surah] of the Qur’an entitled “The Moon” [Al-Qamar] was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that `A'ishah could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal.

And there is one report in the Tabaqat that `A’ishah was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of `A’ishah took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal. This is while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijrah in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence, there is not the least doubt that `A’isha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage

In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of `Abdul `Uzza, from whom `Abdullah and `Asmaa’ were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom `Abdur-Rahman and `A’ishah were born. These four were born before Islam.

Looking at `A'ishah's impressions of her early life, we can indeed see that she was born before the Call:

Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshiping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah’s Messenger visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant. When he reached a place called Bark Al-Ghimad, he met Ibn Ad-Daghna, the chief of the Qara tribe, who asked Abu Bakr, “Where are you going?” Abu Bakr said, “My people have turned me out of the country and I would like to tour the world and worship my Lord.” Ibn Ad-Daghna said, “A man like you will not go out, nor will he be turned out, as you help the poor earn their living, keep good relations with your kith and kin, help the disabled (or the dependents), provide guests with food and shelter, and help people during their troubles. I am your protector. So, go back and worship your Lord at your home.”

Ibn Ad-Daghna went along with Abu Bakr and took him to the chiefs of Quraysh saying to them, “A man like Abu Bakr will not go out, nor will he be turned out. Do you turn out a man who helps the poor earn their living, keeps good relations with kith and kin, helps the disabled, provides guests with food and shelter and helps the people during their troubles?” (Al-Bukhari 3: 37 #494)
570 CE: Prophet Muhammad born
595 CE: Married Khadijah, his first wife
610 CE: Received the revelation that led to his Call to Islam
613 CE: Started preaching publicly
615 CE: His daughter Fatimah born
622 CE: Left Makkah for Madinah
623 CE: `A’ishah entered the household of Prophet Muhammad
625 CE: Battle of Uhud

The famous classical commentator on the Qur’an, Ibn Kathir, wrote in Al-Bidayya wan-Nihaya: “Asmaa’ died in 73 AH at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister `A'ishah.”

It might be worth noting that pubescence is characterized by the proliferation of sex cells which begins with the menarche, or first menstruation, in girls. Research has noted that the average age at which the menarche begins has been decreasing among Western European girls and apparently among girls of the United States and Canada, as well, since as far back as 1976. What this means is that we should try to avoid generalizations about when menstruation begins; this differs from culture to culture as well as epoch to epoch. If you want to take this further: puberty comes from the Latin word pubertas, which means “adult”. The Qur’an states what means:
*{And when the children among you have attained to puberty, let them seek permission as those before them sought permission; thus does Allah make clear to you His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise}* (An-Nur 24: 59)

It all depends on what one wishes to recognize, the laws of nature or the social laws constructed by man. `A’ishah married willingly under circumstances that supported that marriage, whichever argument one chooses to follow.

Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`am’s son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.

bUT IF WE ACCEPT FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT THAT SHE WAS 9 THERE IS NO PROOF THAT SHE DID NOT REACH PUBERTY; READ THE BELOW:

As mentioned in Sunan Al Tirmizhi (Al Jaami` Al Saheeh, By Imaam Al Tirmizhi)
Abwwab Al nikaah (Topics of Marriage)
Topic 18
Hadeeth No 1115:
, Ahmad and Is-haaq said:
If the orphan girl reaches nine years, was married (by her guardian) and accepted, then the marriage is lawful, and they invoked as argument the hadeeth of Aisha, that the Prophet married her when she was nine years, whereas Aishah said: If the girl reaches nine years, then she has reached puberty, End of quotation from Al Tirmizhi.

Aishah is talking about herself as well as people of her society:
She was married when she was nine, and she decrees that when the girl
reaches that age it means she reached puberty.
One cannot be more explicit than that on the issue.]

Would the hate mongers dare claim now that Aishah DID NOT reach puberty at nine, yet SHE DECREES that this is the age of puberty?

This is another example of how information is suppressed and rational
research is shed aside as long as the hate objectives are served.
Of course, the pretext of ignorance may be attempted: "Oh, the writer didnot know that much detail".

The answer is: Within the requirements of honesty, if you do not know a
subject, then just do not discuss it nor make judgments on it, let alone
pose a if you do know about it, and use that in order to mislead people in
an elaborate hate campaign.

This practice (puberty being the criteria for consummating the marriage) was the norm in that area as well as in other parts of the world.

This practice is still the norm in many countries world-wide (Muslim as well as non-Muslim countries).

According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (ra) was five years older than Ayesha (ra). Fatimah (ra) is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Ayesha (ra) could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage.

Ibn Hajar's original statement, its translation and reference follows:

Fatimah (ra) was born at the time the Kaa`bah was rebuilt, when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old, she (Fatimah) was five years older that Ayesha (ra). (Al-Isabah fi Tamyeez al-Sahaabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaniy, Vol. 4, Pg. 377, Arabic, Maktabah al-Riyadh al-Haditha, al-Riyadh, 1978)

Quote:
Sunan Nasa’i vol.1 #29 p.115-116 actually says that Fatima was 29 years old when she died (six months after Mohammed), which makes her ten years older than A’isha. So somebody forgot a date somewhere. The authoritative hadiths of Sunan Nasa’i would generally be trusted more than Ibn Hajar, Regardless, though A’isha was younger.

Sina has also refuted the accuracy of the information: But see how he twisted the information of who is older between the two; the statement above said, Fatima (ra), but Ali Sina said that the above writer said Aisha! That liar Sina. THIS IS FOR $oSISI.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sina
Of course this information cannot be taken as correct. If Ayesha was five years older than Fatimah, and Fatimah was born when the Prophet was 35 years old, then Ayesha was only 30 years younger than the Prophet. So at the time of her marriage when the Prophet was 54, Ayesha must have been 24 yeas old. This is not certainly correct, for the reasons explained above and also it contradicts the Hadith that the apologist quoted about the age of Asma, Ayesha’s sister, who according to that Hadith was 10 years older that Ayesha and died in 73 Hijra. So at the time of Hijra Asma must have been 100 –73 = 27 years old, but according to this Hadith she was 34 years old.

if he left her for 3 years, it is clear that he can leave her for the duration of the wars. Why put somebody you love that much in harm's way, anyway? Yet, he never shy about remembrance of Khadijah in a loving way.

@$Osisi: What do I need your link for? The link of a person who is not shamed enough to change hi name from Ali? Please comot. If a woman bears Jezebbel and becomes Muslim she has to take a new name. Virginia is okay. If a man becomes a muslim and his name is Paul, he will change it for sure. Mark is okay.

Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (ra) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the Jahiliyyah - the pre-Islamic period. Obviously, if Ayesha (ra) was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH - the time she most likely got married.

The original statement in Tabari, its translation and reference follows:
All four of his [i.e. Abu Bakr's] children were born of his two wives - the names of whom we have already mentioned - during the pre-Islamic period. (Tarikh al-umam wa al-mamloo'k, Al-Tabari, Vol. 4, Pg. 50, Arabic, Dar al-fikr, Beirut, 1979)

@$Osisi: before you start arguing like Ali Sina, note that Allah's messenger (as) in his farewell address told Muslims, his followers to carry the message to all people, those who were not present there. Some of the Sahabas left far and wide from that point on. Allah's messenger said that those who are not present may understand the message even more than those who were there. So today we have school of Ahadith, and many more. The muslims of later generations were able to immensed themselves into academia and discoveries were made by following Quran and ahadith. So it will be naive for anyone that something that is not a called ahadith could not make what is called ahadith clearer or go against it.


For example, Quranic verses takes more presidence that ahadith. Infact ahadith can not go against the Quran. This is a way to know if anything called ahadith is truly an ahadith, strong or weak, etc. We also know that ahadith is only from Muhammad AS), and his action, even when not clearly shown in the Quran, can not disagree with it. Aisha  (ra) statemeent was only attributed to her, not an ahadith, by what defines ahadith! Unless some proof can be provided that this was stated in the presence of the Mesenger (AS). The reporter is just one person, who others have questioned his memory in the later days of his life.


@Abuola: If one were to make wudu as it is described in the Quran, based on appropriate conditions, it will be valid for salah.Tayammam is even less than water wudu, and Tayammam is valid.

According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of Ayesha (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha (ra). It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidaayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma (ra) died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma (ra) was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha (ra) should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Ayesha (ra), if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

The relevant references required in this argument are provided below:
For the Difference of Ayesha's (ra) and Asma's (ra) Age:
According to Abd al-Rahman ibn abi zannaad:
Asma (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha. (Siyar A`la'ma'l-nubala', Al-Zahabi, Vol. 2, pg. 289, Arabic, Mu'assasatu'l-risala'h, Beirut, 1992)
According to Ibn Kathir:

She [i.e. Asma] was ten years elder to her sister [i.e. Ayesha]. (Al-Bidaayah wa al-Nihaayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, pg. 371, Arabic, Dar al-fikr al-`arabiy, Al-jizah, 1933)
For Asma's (ra) Age at Her Death in 73 AH
According to Ibn Kathir:

She [i.e. Asma] witnessed the killing of her son during that year [i.e. 73 AH], as we have already mentioned, five days later she herself died, according to other narratives her death was not five but ten or twenty or a few days over twenty or a hundred days later. The most well known narrative is that of hundred days later. At the time of her death, she was 100 years old. (Al-Bidaayah wa al-Nihaayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, pg. 372, Arabic, Dar al-fikr al-`arabiy, Al-jizah, 1933).

According to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalaaniy:
She [i.e. Asma (ra)] lived a hundred years and died in 73 or 74 AH." (Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalaaniy, Pg. 654, Arabic, Bab fi al-nisaa, al-Harf al-alif, Lucknow)

@Abuzola: InshaAllah, tomorrow we will continue. There are a lot of proofs, in my warchest now.

@$Osisi: I already know where your resources is. It is weak. Allah did not chastise him. Yet when he simply turn his face to another side, he was called out on it. A whole chapter was revealed because of that. Lets assume she was only nine, whats wrong with a female becoming a woman at 9? This will be the way Allah created her. Afterall He created Mary as a virgin to bear a son!

A beg, commot.