₦airaland Forum

@Borat: Where is your Uncle and what tribe is he? I have a slew of Igbo people becoming Muslims, educated Igbo people and no one paid them a dime! Just in the last 3 weeks, a male Calabar lawyer in Lagos became Muslim. He on his own is working on his lawyer wife to become Muslim, now! Where do you have your lie from? We are Nigerians and we see whats going on.

In New York, I have met many Igbo people who have become muslims, without a dime coming into their pockets from no one! How about Ali Isong from Calabar, who even speaks Arabic now? You should be ashamed of yourself. Maybe the three gods you worship inspired you to lie this much!?

@Marlbron: Ask Pastor AIO, he will tell you that when a husband is honoring himself in front of his wife, he will say " sebi awa ni oko e?" (In english we are your husband). And this husband is obviously refering to himself, because the wife does not have more than one husband all at the same time. At least not in Yorubaland. The Kings do use plural for themselves! Its called Majstic plural> When I speak to my wife, I sometimes say, aa nba e soro. Oo de gbo nkon taa nba e soo. Pastor, educate this man called Marlbron.

@Pastor AIO: Allah used Muhammad (AS) to cover all lands, all peoples, all the time till the day of Judgement, from the time of Muhammad (AS) onward! This is one of the reasons you have Bilal bin Rabah (RA), the Muhadhin of Muhammad, being a black african. What else do you want when you have the best, already?

Bawo ni, omo onilee?

If it was pure replication, do you think Isra wa Miraj event will stand all this 1400 plus years and still going strong? Dont you see the Quran standing since then? is this an amazing thing? And you said Jesus led Moses and Children of Israel (notice not Jews) out of Egypt? I think you forgot that the body of Joseph was exhumed and taken along and by his Lord Allah, served as the light that guided them?!

And tell when did Jesus lead the 124,000 messengers/prophets in salah at Masjid Aqsa, again? When did Jesus go to Seven heavens, and beyond Sitra Mutahadah (the Lote Tree of the farthest) and make sajdah to Allah tabaraka wa tahala? And when did Jesus come back to earth? Muhammad did all of these, and we are still waiting for Jesus to return, while Muhammad did all of these in just part of a single Night! Allah says a day could be as long as He wants to make it, 5000 years, 10,000 years, 50,000 years or what He Wills. Take your pick.

Alla may have stopped everything for Muhammad to ascent, etc and descend and be in Makka, all in the Will of Al Jabbar! Now consider that and see who is at fault, with your faux par!

@$Osisi: « #5 on: Today at 06:58:34 PM »

Âl 'Imran 3:93. * a group of Jews went to Mohammed and ask him to pronounce judgment on an adulterous couple.

Now this is where the rubber meets the road; if it was cancelled by Jesus single act of forgiving the adulterous woman with "who ever did not sin, stone", then I personally wonder why about 600 years plus later, the Jews now asked another prophet the same thing they asked Jesus? far out!

Mohammed asked for the Torah to be brought before him, and the couple was subsequently stoned, in accordance with the penalty laid down in the Torah. (see Sahih Bukhari Book 38, no. 4434) * This incident indicates that Mohammed deferred to the Torah for judgment. In the whole incident, there is no indication whatsoever that the Torah is not trustworthy.

And I know you did not present the full ahadith! You think you can get one over? Nooo! The Jewish reader covered the part that spoke about "stoning" at first! (AS), asked that he removed his hand, and while a muslim was standing over the shoulders of the Jew, in the second read, he had to mention the stoning part!

Now tell, me, why did the Jews practised that part of their Toraic law, if Jesus already cancelled it by "throw the first stome story?" You see why I had asked you sometimes ago, how did Mary stay alive, if stoning was prescribed by Musa in the Torah before Isa bin Mary, except that Quran gave the explanation by Jesus' defense of his mother by his speech in the cradle?

What do you have to say about this? Am waiting!



so please when did the same Torah that Mohammed use to unleash his punishment get corrupted and by who?

@$Osisi: « #3 on: Today at 06:54:44 PM »  

]Answer the question ma friend!
How can you make baseless unsubstantiated claims?
It's obvious that at the writing of the Koran,allah didn't claim so,or did he?

Whats obvious is that at the time the Verses that say your Bible; Torah, Sabur and Injil was corrupted, the corruptions had entered into it! Corruptions means diluted from purity. Also, if you think it was not corrupted then, ask yourself about what therefore becomes obvious, today! Either way, the Quran is correct! My position is that it was at least at the time of the Verses! I wonder why Jesus chastised the Torah scholars in his time, if there was no corruption or the vision that it will be corrupted? I also wonder why Jesus said that in the day of Judgement, some will come to him and say that they do much miracles in his name, yet he will say "I do not know ye?" You see how Jesus is agreeing with Muhammad?

Finally, is it not true that the maryianites/mites have called on Mary as an intercessor to Jesus, like the Catholics do today? And the whole of Christendom called on Jesus as intercessor to God/Eloi/Allah? Haa.

@JeSoul: Dont act as if you believe Torah is not corrupt? Afterall, search with the finest toothcomb, you will not find Jesus and Trinity in it! As a matter of fact you will not find Trinity in New Testament!Show me that word; Trinity and I will see you in Boston before the end of Summer!

Show me Baptism in the Jewish tradition. Then show me Bermitvah in Christian tradition? I wanna see a Jew get Baptised and a Christian get bermitvah? Yet you guys use the same Book, with different traditions? Did Jesus get Bermitvah as a Jew or get Baptised as a Cristian?


And Bermitvah is the rite of passage to adulthood at age 13! When did you do your Batism or was it bermitvah, like Jesus Bermitvah?

@$Osisi: « #2 on: Today at 06:52:27 PM »  

From the Islamic holy book
Sura 5:46 Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous.

Once upon a time, before Jesus and the Injil given to him, there was a Messenger/Prophet from Allah named Musa (AS). Back then, in the time of Musa, his Book, the Torah was uncorrupted. But when he died, after is prophetic life, the Children of Israel entered what they entered. Jesus opinion was expressed about their corruption, which was what they entered, in letters and or in implementation of what shoud have been pure Torah of Musa! So in the time of Jesus, his Injil was to augument with the Toral, not disagreeing with it, but making it easier to observe, more robust! Its like a renaissance/reawakening! So when Jesus was lifted up, the people entered what they entered. Paul and gang had introduced Trinity, etc! Look at the post Gospel for example; Acts of apostles, Epistles an Revelations. Are these part of what Allah gave to His Messenger Isa bin Mariam? I dont even wanna dwell on the aditions and subtractions we have even in Gospels and the Torah and sabur!

Sura 5.68 Say, "O people of the scripture, you have no basis until you uphold the Torah, and the Gospel, and what is sent down to you herein from your Lord." For sure, these revelations from your Lord will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief.

For if you had followed them, without the aditions and subtractions and twistings of words from their places, etc, when you saw Muhammad (AS) you would have had no option, but to follow him into his final chapter of Islam!

so when again did Allah say the Bible was corrupted?

Read what I wrote, above that should help you.  And if you do not believe it, then take it as prediction, which today is continously being fulfilled? Or is there an uncorrupted Bible? Show it to me, $Osisi!

You are really on a roll! Rite on. Just dont let the skid get you to lake of fire! I hope that you will wake up one day before too long and say that boy Olabowale and the others on nairaland are right. We will wait for you. Allah is AlGhafur Al Afuww Al Rahim! Wake up, girl!

@ade: Think man! I know it will give you a headache. That headache is better than abject ignorance! Ogaa gon ni! Ogaa fun ee.

Nothing that is said in the Quran, that must be relevant today that is not relevant. We see the Catholics reverencing Mary! If that is not enough to ask if she is God, then I dont know what is!

Muhsin Khan: Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers

Muhsin Khan: Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them

Muhsin Khan: Will they not repent to Allah and ask His Forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Muhsin Khan: The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth)

Muhsin Khan: Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower."


From urah Al Maidah, verses 72 to 76, we read about Christian Trinity. Mary was not mentioned. Then we read later on, from the same Al Maidah , about what will be asked of Jesus in the day of Judgement, about him (almost all Christians take me to be either or both God and Son of God, while they ignore his human prophetic true nature and duties), and the condition that the Catholics and the "maryianites sects of the Christendom, put Mary! In both cases of escoriating the Christians on the Trinity, as in the above verses, and the full disclosure that Jesus must make before Allah and His creations of Jesus true human position as only mesenger and prophet to the house of Israel, on the day of Judgement, we see that the control is always with Allah.

@$Osisi: « #145 on: Today at 03:54:51 PM »
]quote]Quote from: mamlaka on Today at 12:05:28 PM
The promised child was Isaac not Ishmael.The blessing of Abraham is only through Jesus not any other person!
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Gal 3:14
The Torah and the Bible and extra biblical texts say so

[/quote]And the direct blood of Ibrahim (AS) are excluded? Some thinking. Can you imagine $Osisi excuding her children out of her will, and since she is crazy about "christianity", put Pilgrim.1 as the beneficiary of her estate?



[quote]A much later book of just a few years ago called the Koran claims otherwise.

and thats just impossible for you to accept? And the Doctor is using the latest tools and methodology to treat her patience! I wonder why you did not just refuse the newest and most efficient processes of healing in your profession? Do you feel me? I am not opening my mouth to the max in this lecturing of you! I am sure you can get it!

maybe Waraqua was high on ogogoro when he copied that part and mixed up the names

So tell me how Waraqah provided Muhammad (AS), with the fact that Fir'awn body is found and shall be a sign of his end and tyranny to later generations and the Bible conspiciously have no mention of this fact? $Osisi, I cant laugh alone. Join me on this laughter! You to Nezan!

The same way Mary became the sister of Aaron and the tower of babel was placed with an event 300 years after

The same way we are sons and daughters of Adam and Eve! Or are you not their daughter? Nezan, you no be their son? I am clearly their son, offspring!

@$Osisi: « #132 on: Today at 03:54:24 AM »  

Olabs before you go offtangent please take your time to fabricate a good answer
[b]It's obvious your own hadiths tell us allah asked waraqua to copy down the gospels and when he died allah stopped speaking for a while[/b]why you are denying it beats me

you are correct since nothing is done without the Will of Allah. Now the Scripture in Hebrew, how id it become Quran in perfect Arabic? Explain that to me, in straight up english when Allah Himself said He revealed Quran to an illiterate man in the language of the illiterate man, Arabic? I am married to an Igbo woman. I only communicate with her in Yoruba and English! I can't even speak Igbo or read it or speak it, even if I try. Muhammad (AS) must have been the greatest genius who ever lived, if he turned Jewish Scriptures in Hebrew to perfect Arabic, given details in some stories that the Hebrew origial do not ave. Then completely eliminating many more from the Hebrew Scripture, and managed to bring the Quran into a perfect Unity in the hearts of its readers, to the point so much so that the Hebrew original is now translated into other languages, and the hebrew original is irrelevant, yet the other languages is what they are trying to argue with on Quran! Now tell me if you will take me up on my challenge of the Yoruba story that you need to write perfecty in Igbo language! Will you stand up, and take this challenge?

I'm still waiting for the "pre Islamic "explanation on the same hadith.
Is that also a lie
since it seems the hadiths are full of lies or can be questioned and refuted at the drop of a hat.

what is preIslamic explanation, when Islam began with the first revelation? $Osisi, take it easy; calmdown4me! Now, preIslamic ahadiths are those before the first revelations and it is about the life of the prophet (AS), being statements from his own mouth, or what is said about him in his presence and he did not correct them! Now that you know what ahadith is, then, I hope that you will know that there was no need to ask me for any preIslamic, when Islam began at the point of the appearance of Jibril to Muhammad!

I am still trying to know what $Osisi is saying here. Everybody, lets keep quite and see whether she will say something that we can hatch on so that we understand where she is coming from! What are you saying woman? We are waiting for your response!


@$Osisi and Nezan: You are correct. I am a brother of Mansa Musa (ra), for three reasons; We are both Adam''s children. Both Africans. Both Muslims. And am a brother to Noah, Jesus, Ibrahim, Muhammad (AS) etc, because we are all from Adam and also Muslims!

@nezan: you are my brother, right? Are you from Pakulopa family in Ijebu ode? How are you my brother again? Thats how Mary is the sister of Aaron! Some people, its hard for them to think, because the head gets headache when they think. And they try very hard to avoid headache!

@$Osisi: I have to Teach you (Ko e beni nkole; somebody should tell her what the yoruba means please), step by step as if building a dwelling; home brick by brick! Read what I said about Bermitvah and Baptism; Go ask a Jewish Dr. He will tell you how far from the truth (astray) you are!

@Davidylan: Which salah? There is nothng called "Sallah!" We have two Ids; Id al Fitr after Fast and Id al Adha after day of Arafah! I also make 5 salah every ay. Some people make Quiyam or Tahajjud; the after midnight, but before fajr time prayer!

What are you talking about? And in Islam, read the story of which son was taken for the sacrifice and handsome ransome was put in his place as a Corsican Ram, from Paradise!

Could he be Isaac as the Bible alleges? Consider the role of his mother Sarah in her aboility to boss Abraham and even God in the Bible! Would this old woman allow anyone to kill her only child that came too late as she had hit 90 years old? How ol was this boy, Isaac at that time? Think about it.

The other side of the coin is the son of the younger woman who was thrown out, without the ability to protest! Well if I am going to wager, I will say its the poor boy in the wilderness and his mother who could be easily told to sharap and toll the line, before she is next, after her son!

And the manasset of hajj shows what could ensue with the young lady fight so hard to let the husband she loved and sees as a father figure carry out his promise to Allah!

Tell me anything about Isaac and Sarah during the alleged attempt to slaughter him, then compare it to that of the islam about Ismail! And if you are too (two, lol) chickened out to do it, I will do it for you. I will go to your favorite info source; Wikipedia!



Did you seee my etails about the peaching of Noah, and then of Ibrahim, from Wikipedia? lol. Omo alare, ewe soo o!

we in Islam know what our role is already. Alhamdulillah that the Lord expsed it to others. Newsweek or Time Magazine had an article on this any years ago.

Allah says Muslim mmah is the best raised for mankind; enjoining good and forbidden evil. Now this is not so say that we do not have our deviants,the proerbial 'bad eggs".

Allah says that if one people are not checked by another, the evil of the former will know no bounds!

Thanks broda Javalove; Salaama.

@$Osisi: « #134 on: Today at 04:31:44 AM »

This is serious.

abeg Olabs who was John the Baptist baptizing in the Koran?

This young girl, is hard of hearing! How many times should I have to tell you before you know the difference between K and Q? K is for King or Kindergarten while Q is for Queen, or Queenisha! lol.

Now, ask a Jewish Dr. in the hospital where you practise, if there is Baptism in their practiced Judaism? He will laugh at you and as he must have suspecetd by now, because of the "comot make I enter" comment, that you are a Christian. What the Jews have is Bermitvah! Now ask him the difference of Bermitvah of the Jews and Christian's Baptism? Do they still have Bermitvah and who invented Baptism? Did Jesus have Bermitvah or Baptism? Did John performed Bermitvah on Jesus or baptism? What qualifies a person to be able to perform Bermitvah on a person, and what qualifies a person to be able to perform Baptism on a persson?

When you ave the info on all of these then you will know who yahya is and how far off Christianity is.

By te way, why dont you Google these things? My $Osisi! lol. You are so funny sometimes that I laugh out Loud to myself!

Nuh's preaching: 4:163, 7:59, 7:61, 7:62, 7:63, 7:64, 10:71, 10:72, 11:25, 11:26, 11:28, 11:29, 11:30, 11:31, 11:42, 23:23, 26:105, 26:106, 26:108, 26:110, 71:1, 71:2, 71:3, 71:8, 71:9, 71:10, 71:11, 71:12, 71:13, 71:14, 71:15, 71:16, 71:17, 71:18, 71:19, 71:20

Ibrahim's preaching: 2:130, 2:131, 2:135, 2:136, 2:140, 3:67, 3:68, 3:84, 3:95, 4:125, 4:163, 6:74, 6:76, 6:77, 6:78, 6:79, 6:80, 6:81, 6:83, 6:161, 14:35, 14:36, 14:37, 14:40, 21:52, 21:54, 21:56, 21:57, 21:67, 22:26, 22:78, 26:69, 26:70, 26:71, 26:72, 26:73, 26:75, 26:78, 26:79, 26:80, 26:87, 29:16, 29:17, 29:25, 37:83, 37:85, 37:86, 37:87, 37:89, 37:91, 37:92, 37:93, 37:94, 37:95, 37:96, 43:26, 43:27, 43:28, 60:4

This two should be enough for davidylan to carry on a research for the truth. Enter Prophet so and so in the Quran or So and so in te Quran. Knck yourself out!

@Davidylan:

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:13:38 AM
the Jews would have loved it. And Muhammad (AS) did not talk about Melchezedek.


it would have further exposed him as a charlatan because melchizedek didnt even exist as flesh and blood. That was God in human form.

The same Melchezedek, King of Salem who prayed for Abraham on his way from a war? How did he meet and prayed for Abraham iexcept he was physical; flesh and blood?

How many forms will the Biblical god comes on earth? melchezedek, then Jesus? Which one is Melchezedek; Jesus, ghost or father, considering that you cant see ghot, your choice is between Jeus and father!

I may just spam the threat with some of the situations of the prophets!

@Davidylan: « #127 on: Today at 01:35:11 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 01:29:31 AM
$Osisi, tell me in that ahadith where you see Waraqah mentioning Jibril? Tell me how an illiterate can copy something into Arabic from Hebru/ibru?
You are a smart woman. I am going to write a yoruba story to you and be honest and attempt it all by yourself, without husband, who at least have lived among the yorubas or seeking the aid f any yoruba or others you know. Please put it together in Igbo anguage. Zainab, speaks both and there are others on nairaland that under and read and speak and write both. I dont want yu to think that she will support me. She already knows about you.
can we do that, after you answer my two question?

why are you struggling so hard to avoid the critical issues that expose islam's fraud with such silly, poor charades as this? Ok an illiterate could not understand hebrew but its obvious that waraqa understood arabic and even conversed with mohammad according to the hadiths no?

And where a one time conversation with Muhammad all of a sudden gave everything Muhammad needed to know, now in Arabic from Hebrew(Ibru; my fishing business days comes to memory)! And Waraqah knew that Muhammad will receive OT and NT, but cut out, Ester, Ruth etc? Try another gimmick. I know you will not disappoint me by the classic below. Thats a whale of a fish. Really a Whopper! David is not even ashamed these days!

So why was khadijah telling waraqa to teach mohammad the hebrew scriptures?

Like I said, he brought out the big bazooka. The grand daddy of lies! Now show us in an ahadith that this man Waraqah taught Muhammad a single lesson in hebrew scripture? I am sure you will say that he hid the knowledge of this, yet, he was able to say that they went to Waraqah? Finally, because I I wanna do overkill n you argument: Show us where Khadijah (RA) told Waraqah to teach Muhamadanything? Hopefuly you will address this issue, tomorrow!

@Davidylan:« #102 on: Today at 12:29:55 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:13:38 AM
David called me a liar and presented the following; Why didnt David commission the scribes to scrub out his sins and only put his good deeds?


I didnt "present" it . . . i just repeated it from a previous post to remind you to stop lying between your teeth. NOWHERE in the bible are we told of scribes helping to scrub out bad deeds from the bible. David's good and bad stuff are written in the bible.

Where is my lie?

@Davidylan: Re: Who Was The First Muslim
« #64 on: Yesterday at 08:01:59 PM »

Quote from: oyb on Yesterday at 07:56:57 PM
if as you claim, the Quran was ripped off the bible, why were all those heinous deeds attributed to prophets in your bible omitted - surely including them would have served the purpose of the religion of peace as you like to call it - i mean come on - what would be better than copying the exhortations to kill even the trees


That is not a logical question at all . . . infact the question is why did the prophets of the bible feel the need to HONESTLY document their good and bad deeds? Why didnt David commission the scribes to scrub out his sins and only put his good deeds?
The way your question is framed gives the quran undeserved legitimacy. The quran has stories of the prophets but pretty much NOTHING on who these prophets were nor do we find their DIRECT MESSAGES FROM ALLAH written there. The quran is 100% the "revelation" from allah to ONE MAN ALONE out of 2500 prophets that islam claims? Tell that to the marines pls.

Before you lied on me, where did I get involved in your conversation to make you write the above? I willtry to post next your accusation so that people can compare them, with the above.

$Osisi, tell me in that ahadith where you see Waraqah mentioning Jibril? Tell me how an illiterate can copy something into Arabic from Hebru/ibru?

You are a smart woman. I am going to write a yoruba story to you and be honest and attempt it all by yourself, without husband, who at least have lived among the yorubas or seeking the aid f any yoruba or others you know. Please put it together in Igbo anguage. Zainab, speaks both and there are others on nairaland that under and read and speak and write both. I dont want yu to think that she will support me. She already knows about you.

can we do that, after you answer my two question?

Plagiarised they say. While your Adam was created on earth and lived in the garden of Eden in Iraq and his wife Eve was the sole person responsible for the sin with serpent, Quran had a different Idea;

Adam was created in heaven. So was his wife. Then were told to live in Paradise, still in heaven, with a warning of dont even go near the tree because you will be doing disobedience! Then after their contact with the tree based on the whispering of Satan, not serpent, they were sent to the earth! No pain in your giving birth process was made against Eve. She was not made to be responsible, while freeing Adam of the mistake! They were inspired to seek forgiveness and Allah gave them Mercy and forgiveness, while making Shaitan, formally known as Iblis became accursed! There is no original sin in islam, transferred from Adam and his wife Hawa!

Now point to the plagiarizarion for me, man or woman; who will go first? I want to see the two comedians trip each other up!

{quote]« #111 on: Today at 12:54:33 AM »  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote from: davidylan on Today at 12:39:30 AM
Two things to note here:

1. Allah NEVER told mohammad who was coming with revelations to him, it was Waraqa who told him it was angel gabriel and billions of muslims continue to fall for this hoax? Read the entire bible . . . every angel that appeared to each prophet announced themselves . . .

2. Why did the "divine inspiration" pause after Waraqa's death? could it be the access to the bible stories ended with waraqa's death?

I've often wondered why the quran's plagiarism of the bible did not go beyond Genesis and Exodus. Now we know why . . . waraqa died early!

It's amazing that a whole prophet of allah had no clue who was standing before him but a lesser being like waraqqua did.

Gbam to the highlighted part
waraqua died
The bible stories ceased and Mohammed changed gear with other "revelations"[quote][/quote]Liar davidylan does even know how to argue. Read what $Osisi wrote about Prophet Muhammad's discussion (AS) with Waraqah! When he discussed his encounter, Waraqah did not say it was Jibril since Muhammad (AS) heard that Angel say his own name, as Jibril! Waraqah qualified him simply as keeper of Secret!" You guys are fight "dirty" and I will get into the mud with you if I have to! Exept that I have to wear my mud gear!

And you $Osisi, there must be copying first before you can claim that he copied a single verese or chapter from the Bible. Read it again! Go to many chapters. Surah Imram for example about mariam or is it Surah mariam, you will find where Allah says; and you Muhammad was not there about the one who won the lot casted of who wil be the guardian of mary, except that I your Lord told you.

In surah Qasas (the story), Allah says and you Muhammad was not there, except "your lord " told you the story. many verses are like that. You guys want to wrestle, I know a thing or two by it! You cant just say what you want and dont expect to be called out on it!

@$Osisi:

how many firsts do we have

Adam was the first Muslim
Mohammed was the first Muslim
Now moses repents and is the first Muslim

let's keep reading

firs in their times. their generations. their communities. Afterall, these were prophets! Leading communities of believers at different times of human existence! Haa. This "young girl" is not getting it. lol.

@$Osisi:

But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while.

And later, for the next 23 years, revelations came until his death (AS)!. Is like you are not getting it. Whats the relevance of the "stoppage" that was momentary and then later continued? What role i the temporary stoppage played, vis a vis Waraqa's death? Zero, Zilch, nada!

Now my friend,that was how the biblical stories got into the Koran
do you need more evidence?

Now my friend, that is not true, since one was penned in Hebrew and the other came in as revelation in Authentic Arabic. Allah Aza wajal says in Quran and I think it is Surah Najm, as He quipped answering $Osisi's present question from back then; and they say somebody is teaching him the stories, even though that language is foreign to him, and his Quran is in Authentically Pure Arabic?!

Powerful stuff. $Osisi, you need to go back and plan another strategy, because these ones are too weak!

@$Osisi:

Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen

Read your entry above, again! Waraqah wrote in Hebrew! Muhammad (AS) was an illiterate. His Quran is written in Arabic. Did he speak hebrew, or read hebrew or wrote hebrew? Each is no! Now Waraqah says by his answer, which is a confirmation of what Muhammad said of the Angel that he saw, as the Secret keeper! And promised if he were alive to support him when the people will be against him.

Now lets ask Waraqah; would he in his effort abandone what is right for what is wrong, ecept that he fells that what is coming is "righter" that what he was on, already or at least the latest version of whatever is right in it? And we see that the revelation from Allah trough Jibril "the keeper of secret" came 23 years to this illiterate man! And Wraqah was dead 23 years before the last revelation! Now tell, me, is that not the test of truth right there?

@$Osisi: I have to laugh. You don't even read your own post. How do you perform the operation, if the sight is no more 20/20? Let me come back to the ahadith after this below:  

From the above hadith,not only did Waraqua copy the Bible texts from the gospel for Mohammed,the haditth also mentions a pre Islamic time.

No he didnt. Read it again. It says he used to copy it in "HEBREW!" Ibru(Hebrew) is not the same thing as Arabic. And the unlettered man did not read hebrew! Haa.

It's obvious the role of Waraqua in the writing of the biblical stories into the Koran coupled with the fact that that Islam itself reports that there was a pre Islamic time making nonsense of the claim that Islam has always existed from the beginning.

What are you talking about woman? Nothing in the above says or suggests that Muhammad (AS) used the material of Waraqah since it was in Hebrew, anyway. Further if he used it, he would have copied the entire thing; the good, and the bad and the ugly of it! THink about that for a moment. And Alhamdulillah that Waraqah said that if he were to remain alive when the calamity of being turned out, like other prophets (AS) would happen to Muhammad (AS), he Waraqah who knew "PROPHETIC SIGNS", based on what happened to Muhammad, as he related his conact with the one that keeps the secret, he would join him in his effort! Now, young girl (lol), did Waraqah know a prophet when he saw one, or not? And he was a christian, so be careful how you answer in your effort to discredit Islam, you may actually condemn your own. Am gonna enjoy your response!

una go shait for una Koran today
run to mallams and get "knowledge"
The readers are not fools you know

No ned for that. We are all in Wudu already/ Magrib is coming in at 25 after 8!

And I had just found out that David never had tried to Google the actions of those prophets in the Quran before he began his argument with me. Even he could not stand on his own story about King David! I said, according to davidylan that Daid commissioned the scribes to only write his good deeds. That statement clearly states that there are bad deeds which will not appear on the final document produced by the Scribes.

David called me a liar and presented the following; Why didnt David commission the scribes to scrub out his sins and only put his good deeds?

Tell me the difference with the two if its more that the "why" and the "unwritten sins" that davidylan version contains, while mine just said what he meant as the reason the Scribes were commissioned? I will advise you to read the issues of each of the prophets as listed in the Quran. Funny enough that you are struggling to come back, after Oyb kicked you so hard about his statement against Quran ever copying your Bible! Well you did not quite do a good job about it. If Muhammad was trying to get the old prophets on his side, he would have written eactly what was written in the Bible, the old and the New, without any change and just add his intention on it. The same way Paul and company did, of OT, and Gospel and flavoring it with Epistles and Revelations!


See, Muhammad (AS) did not talk about Ruth or Ester, etc! the Jews would have loved it. And Muhammad (AS) did not talk about Melchezedek. Or the disciple/apostles, individuallys, except that the disciples were helpers of Jesus, believedin his mission, said to Jesus that they were Muslims, like him and asked for a sign "Maida" food from heaven, which Allah provided!

@Davidylan:

So if an ifa priest writes the same thing we shld automatically admit that the jews strayed? Claiming that christians and jews have gone astray means they were once in the perfect will of allah no?

Arent you astray from the "Commandment of Jesus? Was it not that the Jews went astray that Jesus was telling them what he told them to go back to the ways of the old prophets? Wa here a lace hat Jeus told you to sing hymns, play drums, etc?

Wan'tWell WHEN was this allah worship and who led the jews astray?

For starter Pharisees and the scribes. No? I think David may go againt Jesus here and sie with somebody else.

Pls show us documented proof that this allah worship ever took place.

Even Jesus said Elo, not Jehovah or yahweh or Aba! Think about it, David.

Anyone can write whatever he likes.what

And Paul went on rampage with it!

@Davidylan: « #64 on: Today at 08:01:59 PM »  

Quote from: oyb on Today at 07:56:57 PM
if as you claim, the Quran was ripped off the bible, why were all those heinous deeds attributed to prophets in your bible omitted - surely including them would have served the purpose of the religion of peace as you like to call it - i mean come on - what would be better than copying the exhortations to kill even the trees  


That is not a logical question at all . . . infact the question is why did the prophets of the bible feel the need to HONESTLY document their good and bad deeds? Why didnt David commission the scribes to scrub out his sins and only put his good deeds?

Open the lab window for the toxins to go somewhere else instead of your nose! On one hand, you said the prophets write everything down, both good and bad deeds they commit. On the other hand you said David ommissioned the scribes to only mentioned his good deeds. Then you have the gul to argue with Oyb about the Quran copying from the Bible? If the Quran did such a thing, wouldnt have been better that it only write the bad deeds of the old prophets, the Biblical prophets a you like to call them, so that Quran, indeed Islam and Muhammad (AS) can actually be the undisputable truth? Yet we do not see a single place the Quran talks any ill about a single prophet (AS). Instead it honors them, getting them from the  clutches of filth that you associate each or all with! Make up your mind, David!

The way your question is framed gives the quran undeserved legitimacy. The quran has stories of the prophets but pretty much NOTHING on who these prophets were nor do we find their DIRECT MESSAGES FROM ALLAH written there. The quran is 100% the "revelation" from allah to ONE MAN ALONE out of 2500 prophets that islam claims?   Tell that to the marines pls.

You are in the army now, then Soldier! I dont think David realise that Adam was treated as the first to sin and then seeked forgiveness. Ibrahim was said to have destroyed the idols of his people and left the biggest one with ax around his neck. And the ensuing story that folowed until he left his people. He attempted to slaughter his only son, Ismail and the Muslims observe that tradition till this day during Hajj. I wonder which wife you can snatchher son for slaughter; the boss lady who asked you to get rid of your first child or the younger wife who you actually threw out and yet did not curse you?

@Davidylan: « #83 on: Today at 10:05:36 PM »  

No that doesnt. The kaaba and the altars of Israel are not similar . . . the kaaba is not an altar for a burnt offering sacrifice to the Lord like the altars Abraham built were. to deceitfully attempt to link them both is islamic falsehood at its very worst.

While the Muslims observe the traditions of Ibrahim on prayer, Zakah, Fast, and hajj and slaughter (hadiyah) on the day after hajj, the Jews and Christiands do not. Now tell me, from your own argument, your Biblical God accepts animals from Ibrahim and then the Jews, but then the same Jews became Christians and its human sacrifice that the same God of the Bible now wants? Did you then look at the ease of Ilam, when there is no need for either in order to receive Mercy or Supplicates?

By the way it is the acts of the obedience of Ibrahim and his son Ismail that makes Muslims slaughter during hajj! What happened to your claims of following Abraham? Did the Biblical God change His mind? Be serious man.

Besides the nonsense about Ibrahim building the kaaba is just false. Besides the words of mohammad there is no other proof that Ibrahim built such a thing. Prior to Mohammad's birth the arabs didnt even know who Ibrahim was or whether he built the kaaba or not.

And the Arabs practiced male circumcisions. Who does it again and why do the arabs do it it, starting from Ismaila's time, and he making sure his children observed it, and passed it on till today?

When my boys were born, I made sure that they wereimmediately circumcised, not because of my yorubaness, but primarily because of my Islam!