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@Nezan: I real man, slek29 had the courage to approach my inquiry about Former Comforter and another comfoter. Yet you dock it through. I will open a thread of in soon for a healthy conversation.

Now on the satanic verse, what Ayatollah siad was said by Ayatollah. follow Muhammad (AS) an those who followed him (RA) an those are following him (ra) and the ones who are aive, today in that traition. I will not follwo a man or woman who is not follwoing Muhammad, when he is not, I will stop following him and follow those who are following Muhammad on the specific mater.

To set the stage for a conversation on the satanic verses. Ten I will respond as much as Allah gives me knowledge. I will wait for your statement of introduction. If you wish, we can start a thread on it. And will stay on the subject without deviating. If I raise the thread, I will simply ask you to start the accusation or allegation or statement of fact according to your undertanding. My job is to proof that noting like that happened. An if it did it proved Muhamma (AS) prophethood, regardless! I will then introduce Jesus. definitely introduce John son of zakariyyah and then Moses.

@Sleek29: « #36 on: Today at 07:10:20 AM »

Jesus said,i'll send you another comforter,of course he was the first one,

So a man spoke and he said he will send his "own kind" and do we then expect a cow, a lion, a tree, a genie, an angel, etc, or a man like him, having the same status ike him? The answer is very clear. We would be expecting a man and no other being! If Jesus came, we would expect no one except a man like him!

why can't you just learn to know about the Holy Spirit and know that He isn't different from Jesus,

How was Jesus the same as the normally invincible spirit? We normally do not see spirit. Jesus was seen throughout his lifetime. When he was talking about the another comforter, he was seen, made up of blesh and bones and blood covered up with skin. Whats the spirit like again? Yet we see that Muhammad was exactly like Jsus; Flesh an bones and blood covered up with skin! both are men, born of mankind. both were from Ibrahim (AS)! Let me stop here so that I can deal with the rest of your statement, below!

Jesus was a teacher,the Holy Spirit does the same.

And Muhammad was a teacher, too. What did the holy spirit teach again? What do you call his book now? We at least call what Allah gave Jesus Injil or you call it Gospel/Good news. Muhammad's revelation is called Quran, and his tutoria handset is called Ahadith/Sunnah. What is the holy spirit's book called?You are now cornered and must tell me before you can leave! And did the holy spirit abide with the Cristians or the disciples for ever? Where are te disciples exept dead, meaning for ever is never? Where is holy spirit, not here, meaning for ever is never? Two unfulfilled prophesies, if you wanna play hardball! We will come back to the abiding part later!

and let me put it to you jews are the most cunny people i know especially those in the US ask them what happened to the world trade centre, planes or bombs

Where do you live man? I live in Manhattan where what you are talking about happened! From ymy window, I was able to see everything as it was happening! You wanna tell me about Jews in America? I hubnub with them everyday! When I ead this type of confession, finally from a Christian, I wonder what each person is tinking in their souls/and theirhearts, except the societal pressure will not let them be tue to form!

Now, what happend? lol. So why are you a christian, still? I am sure you know that Jesus was a Jew or is this a new information to you? lol. I beg oo. Omo boy, you got a smile out of me! O je di imale and have a wonderful life. Afterall, 9ja is a good place to practice your religion, bar none.

@sleek29: They did what Jesus did alright! They god married and they did not nail themselves to the cross, and they never turned the oter sleek, oh sorry, the other cheek, I mean! When will you start on any of these on my lst of things to do? I know I can't get $Osisi to do the remain a VIRGIN thing. She already became a mother, still a young girl though!

Sleek29, maybe if Islamic God is moon god because muslims do everything by the moon, what is the christian gods are; seasonal gods or calender gods, since these are the two things that you use for your events? I want an answer from you. And am still waiting for the Former and another Comformers' identities! lol.

You think that you can hide from me? You will be pressed hard from here on end.

@Nezan: « #96 on: Yesterday at 12:09:46 PM »

when Allah Wills, it happened for Muhammad (AS) and not when Muhammad willed!

This also applied to Jesus.The remnant of truth we can still find in th Bible! Read his prayers again about not as I will but your WILL and what youcall the Lord's paryer made by both Jesus and his disciples; Your will be done on earth (by prophets and believers who followed their guidelines given by You) as it is done in heavens (by Angels).

Then why did he not allow Allah's will to be done but went into an unholy alliance with the pagans, denouncing his prophet of Allah with son of Abdallah?

I think you wanted to say His prophet, son of Abdallah, not with son Abdallah! If you think deeply, the truce of Huaibiya as we would call it here, is a strategic move by Allah so that humans can see the human success of His Messenger and his followers, and apply same process in the future. n the long run, the muslims were able to have an enemy (Makkans) who laid down their arms because of this treaty. Hence, the fights can be taken o those enemies who were unyielding in their intent to destroy this young community of believers.

Allah knows their future Muhammad (AS) did not know, except what was revealed to him. That was the same conditions to Jesus who clearly stated he knew no day and time of the hour. Same was with Moses because he did not know that he would eventually defeat Pharaoh! All of these noble soulswre men who knew just the past and the present as it comes and whatever was revealed to them of the future. At lenght, Muhammad and the companions came down and defeat the same Makkans who you thought had an advantage. There advantage was truly weak, a pure disadvantage because it was temporary as you it benefitted the Muslims, in the long run, after due patinece and steadfastness had been exercised!



[qoute]We need to ask did Moses ever return a convert (especially one who was an Egyptian) back to the pagan Pharaoh in order to please the latter in obtaining what he wanted?

[/quote]Was there a similar condition? But wait; Didnt Moses prayed that the plague be removed from the land, at the request of Pharaoh? Now thats a similar condition of compromise. And how many times did pharaoh refuse to honor his own commitment to Moses? Rea your own Bible and see that it supports the strategy of Muhamamad, and that was part of the truth still remaining in the Bible.



[quote]Did Jesus ever compromise the truth of God by agreeing with the Pharisees in turning back all gentile seekers in order to be accepted by the Jewish ruling council?

Dont be silly. Give me the name of one Gentile who followed Jesus and I will sow you a verse in the New Testament that you lied on Jesus, as usual! To be able to return a Gentile, one must have followed him, first before he makes the move not to the Jews (Phaisees) but the nation/people whom the Gentile belongs. Or is it possible for Ghana to demand my extradiction because I say I am no more a Nigerian, when I was never a Ghanaian from the beginning? Thats similar to your idea. Or your idea is actually worse.

Would either Moses or Jesus go so far as to deny their apostleship in order to please the demands of pagans?

This guy now sudenly realised that Jesus was an apostle and not a God, as he and his cohorts alleged and will still allege wen convenient for them to do so! Now let me ask you this; didnt Jesus say that he was not a kiung on earth, when pressed for answer?! You know, no one asked him if he was a king in heaven, since they already knew he wasnt. They calmly asked if he was the king of the Jews.

What was his answer, again? And I remember that he said give to Ceaser what was Ceaser, is similar to give Makka what was Makka of Muhammad's strategy! But then Jesus was the same person who overturned the table of the money exchanger in a violent most definitely angry at it. But Muhammad at long last conquered Makka and thats the end of that! While Muhammad also advocated for no interest charged, just like Jesus, the muslims by and large listened t this injuction, while the Christians ignored it!

Would these men refuse to glorify the true God in the manner commanded by the Creator and acquiesce to the request of addressing God in a manner pleasing to the unbelievers, much like Muhammad did?

What are you talking about? THe Pharisees called esus by his name and refused to acknowledge his prophetic office o this day! Pharaoh refused to accept Moses as a Messenger of God, until Quran says that Pharaoh acknowledged it only when he was drowning! Muhammad was son of Abdullah before he became Messenger!

The stamenet of compromising by him was a great strategy and its temporary allowance proved and secured the defeat of the pagans, and im the lomg run these pagans and their descendants became muslims. In the case of Moses, instead the Egyptians became for the most part Muslims, with a remnant becoming coptic christians. Jesus faired worst, because non descendant of pharisees ecome his followers and if any, very few. Definitey no pharisee became Jesus follower! What are you saying here?

In each case you shot yurself in the foot. Yet you have not attempted the Former Comforter and the Another Comforter personalities! Mayb a thread should be started on them?!

@Nezan:

I know Islam and all about the lies, but unlike Olabs and Babs, I decided to renounce them

What do you know about Islam? I have been muslim over 50something years, and its only less than 13 years ago, to I really begin to understand it! Tell me about Islam and your reason for renouncing it!

Why you renounced it, better minds are taking it. Zainab my wife accepted it willingly, after she observed it and saw evidences that convinced her. She is a lawyer and she knows about evidence. She is Igbo and she was not from a muslim enviroment. My mother at her old age became muslim, finally realising that there is no way God will ask His son to take the place of an animal as sacrificing object, when He wanted to stop the barbaric slaughter of animals not for food but to appease Him for their sins. She realised that God would be showing Mercy by just not kill anything but simply forgives as He is sincerely asked! She finally realised that a God that has an offspring will not be a God. True God must be Unique in His ways from His best creations, man! She finally realised that Jesus could not be God, because there will be at least 2 Gods or 2 personalities to a single God, which means a Dr. Jerkyll, Mr. Hyde syndrome. That will not be God. And finally, you can nail God to the wall or cross or wooden planks!

Finally when my mother was going to leave Christianity, the church (Methodist parish, division, etc) she attended began to show hatred to her! Alhamdulillah she left. And by the way, Zainab by example, through her, Allah had made another male Lawyer from Calabar Muslim. He is now working to make his own wife, another Lawyer Muslim, with the continued friendship with my wife!



And the comment about shia: Allah's messenger gave guidelines who is Muslim. You will find the definition of Muslims in Quran. When a person still by name, but by action negates his Shahada, then he can hardly be considered a muslim! A person who says that he is a muslim, but proclaims that salah is not necessary what Islam is that? person who says an action is no more necessary to be a muslim is not a muslim, than you who is a declared kafr!

nawaful is not obligatory but contribution or voluntary. If you are conducting it like a jamaah, the most important thing is that the wife is not ahead of you because of the injuction of its impermissibility. So if you are a couple, a good enough space as much as it is necessary depending on the size of your prayer space is necessary. As long as she is not so far back that you do have to shout quite loudly for her to hear you and she cant be so close that when you ruku all you can see is her and her charms that so much may attract you that will make your mind go to her!

Infact, if I were to be in that condition, I will have her leave at least a span of space that is nothing short of her stretched arm between us. That way I will not see her at all, when I make my ruku. And she will not have to be close to me that she wil touch my body as she ruku or sajdah. the most important thing is that the mind is focused to Allah in Salah, as much as possible without husband and wife distracting each other taking away from the concentration, instead of being supporter now as a fitna for each other!

@Nezan: What do you say about that? Leaven the typically hit and run sleek29 alone! What do we epect when his modus operandi is just that; hit and run?

And when Jesus prayed at night in the garen of Geshamane, where do you chalk that in; the witches column or the devils column? You people ae so naive that you expose your ignorance, point a finger, but not noticing the remaining 4 fingers are directly at them?

And when you have your Night Vigils, you are doing what now? Village or town or city or national meeting of the Witches or of the devils?

I asked you guys questions about former and another Comforters, you are goofing around as if you are Disney Characters! Talk boys, I want to read your assignments! Quick at it, please an I dont have all day. Today is Friay and I need to prepare for prayers.

Noetic cant even stand up to good challenge! And how he survives English people's madness and jokes about black people is beyong me! Ogbeni, tell me in pure Arabic, an you can get to ask anish Sorosh to help you: Oba osupa/Oba Oshupa is Moon god. Tell me the same in Arabic! Is that too hard for you? Okay. Lets start from simply Arabic for Monn? Then what is god in arabic? marry the two together by hyphenating them. That will be your answer! Step on it, man while I jump off to do other things!

@Sleek29: Where do you live man? I have been playing with Jews for at least 24 years since I started by own business. Some of them take me as their own son, nephew, friend, and the young among my jewish friend as an Uncle or big brother. Larry Weinsteen is a Judge in Las vegas and he is like my nephew. Fred Braff the person who started BUM Equipment is like a father or a big uncle to me. Let me just stop there. I have been invited and had attended many of their annual gatherings. I have rabbi Friends in Boro parks and I have spend uncountable weekends in many summer homes owned by many Jews!

You have no idea of anything, so dont tell me anything about Jews! they do not take Jesus partially because they are stiff-necked and believed that there will not be a prophet except a massiah. Jesus did not fit the bill for them! They needed a Moses and not an Aaron! But them when they tried to kill him as they had killed many messengers, Allah saved him from the "death on a cross", because ther intention was they wanted to accurse his soul by letting him expired on the cross!

Jesus said he could not do anything out of his own power, which clearly tells us that he was a human and not God, for God is capable to do all things! I asked you for "former Comforter" before the "another Comforter" you are dancing around the fences! Man answer my two parter question! I have not even taking you to task from the Biblical, "I have many things to say, but you cant bear it, "! If you want a uman god, then defend him as a no idol! I think that you are an idolator by your having a god that is human and another that you call aspiritual "another comforter", with a wrong title as father that I think you call the "Creator!"


And as your Bible as a revelation, read the Quran, no where does the Bible stand as a revelation from Allah. What is stated however is that Torah was revealed to Musa. I am very confident that the Jewish Torah if compared with the Christian OT, they will have some differences! So we ask you, in reality which one is ORIGINAL and UNADULTERATED> Yet I know that the hands of the scribes have entered into the Torah! And we see that the New Testament the Injil of Jesus has been tampered with where some verses have been taking in or taking out at this or that time, as the wind blows in the religion fashion of Christendom! At one time there was nothing called Protestant and definitely King james Bible! Today it is a well known book, a VERSION, ifferent from Catholic Douwy Bible by at least 6 Books!


Are these not signs that before you have all these "versions" one different from the others, there must have been an "ORIGINAL!" Or are they all versions, considered "ORIGINAL" like KJV Original, and Dowy Version Original or American Standard Version ORIGINAL?

I am waiting for your answer. Good night in the maintime. You have acted like a gentleman.

@davidylan: Why dont finish swallow the Biblical lies first, maybe from Paul, eh? Then come back to introspectively think about Quran!

@Noetic:« #24 on: Today at 06:37:32 PM »

@ OP

allah is a plagiarist and a fraud.

An extensive analysis of mohammed reveals that he delusively elevated allah (a local moon-god) to a divine status.
The many errors and blatant denials in the koran attest to this fact.

So tell me whats "moon" in arabic? Osupa is what we say in Yoruba language. Whats it in Arabic? Then give me "moon-god" in arabic language.

In yoruba llanguage moon-god will be oba osupa. No? Give me Arabic equivalence? You see you cant just talk and think you can do a scooby doo without getting a challenge from somebody! Give me Moon-god, Oba-Osupa, in arabic and it must have moon in its name!

Read my statement about Bilal bin Rabah (RA)! I know you are not blind yet. We will leave the blindness till you are about 80something! I think its the blindness of your heart that is running you raggedy. Read again. And people travel at Nights. Most International flights are at night or approaching it. If you are on vacation and want quite and free flow of the traffic, night is a good time to do it. Allah owns everything, so He summoned His Messenger at Night! Is that too big for you to begin to process? Don't be silly. I know you better than that.

@Davidylan: It was arrival to the shores o america that actually defined Islam and its "higher Morals" to me. Long time before HIV/AIDS complex disease that took many lives; The up and coming black fashion designers; Willie Smith of Philadelphia (Tokie's kid brither), the France based, dungarees wearing with straw hat longerie designer from Alabama, Novelist Baldwin, ABCNEWS London chied bureau Max Robinson, just to name a few, and from the whites; martinee male sex symbol mega actor Rock Hudson, Singer Libarace, Sing Mercury Morris, are just what I can tell you off hands. None of them was a muslim.

Those who go to bath houses in the 70s, and even after that, when cracy became an epidemic as a form of user sickness, most of them were non-muslims. I lived in Muslim community for a while and I see how 180 degrees the changes are in the lives of those who used to be hardcore in the evils they used to do, until Islam. And as to your Yola experience, no one will say that there are no bad apples in Islam. If you see a loose woman in Islam, 7 loose women will be around the corner, who are not Muslim.

I have a young woman in my family who is currently in the "Camp" somewhere outside the city of Ondo! She was shocked to see young University graduates leaving, every morning from the quarters of the military boys; their barracks! She was besides herself at these college educated women sleeping wit "less than high school" educated men in Uniform! Why she asked; for foods, or what favor?


I remember many years ago, say 8 years or a couple less that Africa Abroad of theis guy "Kba" wrote an article about prostitutions of women in Eo! The commissioner of health at that time was a woman, who happened to be muslim, responded that if you look at the population of the "overseas prostitutes" from Nigeria, the Muslims from Edo hardly participated, while the highest per state prostitutes is Edo State! Why was it that Idia, from Benin, Shakira from Auchi, etc are not among them? The reason is Islam!


Aburo, an it is Islam that moralised me. When I was in college, a bunch of Nigerian men will be running around the Job Corps girls and the rejects of America; white and blacks and spanish! All of them, with a stick of few cigarettes, and a 40 ozers, you could get them. The nigerian Christians used to do it, and even though my reflection against it was partially because of my bloodline, I knew Islam was the major reason that my heart did not go there. When you speak of morality, is there a comparison between the light of islam and the other(s)? Look around Rochester and see who are the easy pickings!

When you see muslims behaving badly, he/she is trying to copy your lifestyle. But they forgot Jesus covered you already, while they have to answer to the The God that does not die or sleeps and always complete, able to do all things.

@davidylan:

Did mohammad go to heaven or hell? why was he seeing gossips, mockers and seditionists?

He sees the end of those who will go to hell, some of them you stated above. The others are the non-muslims! Whats your eay again, david? I didnt hear you!

He also saw people in Paradise, and he said he heard the sound of the foot of Bilal bin Rabah (A black man who was the first caller to prayer. This should dispel the lies that all black people will end up in hell. No, David?), then he saw his heel, entering Paradise! He discribed the callers of prayer as people with long neck, as a marked sign of their responsibilities on earth! There wer many other individuals and groups that were seen in Paradise.

My question to you is this, do you want to avoid paradise and head to hell and never come out of it, David?

@Sleek29: « #17 on: Today at 03:31:34 PM »  

@olabowale,  , i said there were eye witnesses when the transfiguration happened and you always reply by writing stories.

My written stories are always correct. First, your assertion of Transformation is just what you read in the Bible an no supporting document, other than that valids it! Considering the fact that Jesus said in the same Bible that on his own, he could not do anything, and did not have the strenght to save himself from death, which he begged, cried, wept, and pettitioned to avoid (chec your Bible please and disproof me). And those who saw Jesus were mere humans, his followers! Afterall, Paul who was Saul then did not see him!

In the case of Muhammad (AS), all the 124,000 Messengers and or Prophets and an Angel (Malaika Jibril (AS)) saw him, prayed behind him! What is interesting is that Allah made him drink from a water skin of the Makkan trading caravan returning to Makka from Syria, etc. There Animals already saw him in the sky and they ran away from their station, a typical thing for animal to be aware of supernatural events, while human have no sensing of it! And as Muhammad drank from their water skin, which was a sign of his presence later, his telling them in their sleepy state (yet you can hear people as if in a distance when asleep, sometimes) where they will find their runaway animals, served as evidennce #s 2, in their hearing is voice, whereas the station where they found the animal was the 3rd.

Mark you these makkan were not muslims then, and when confronted to describe the Ruined structure present then, where Masjid Asqa now stands, he gave them a full detailed description that no one doubted him! So in short, he was witnessed by all the Messengers and or prophets, including Jesus (as) who you are claiming "Trannsfiguration" for! Malaika Jibril saw him, non-muslim Makkans heard his voice and evidenced his information about their animals, the animals, if they could have spoken would also give testimy to his presence and indeed it was Allah's Testimony that matters, and you can read all about in in the first verse of Surah "Isra" and the whole of Surah Najm contains the rest!

HOW MANY PEOPLE SAW HIM FLY ON THAT HORSE, HOW MANY PEOPLE SAW HIM IN JERUSALEM, STOP ALL THIS FAIRY TALE LIES,are you educated at all, does it make sense to you,one man wakes up one day and says he received revelation that he saw alone, the Jews saw the sea part, the disciples saw the transfiguration, the disciples,his mother, mary magdalene saw the resurrected Jesus, and one man ,one man says he saw an angel in the cave and no one else saw it, how am i supposed to believe he didn't see a demon.

The Ahadith of Jibril will tell you that Jibril came to him in the Mosque and he was in the Company of many Companions. He battle of Kahndar or so, Jibril was seen by many of the companions, and in Badr, the companions sawpeaoplebeing killed and knew they were not even near them! Finally, the Makkans and people within other Arab tribes and indeed a kingdom in faraway India saw a full MOON Split into two! on a clear night! I wonder if Islam did not act as the other source of what Islam said happened in the lives of the old prophets, which records will show anything about any event in the Bible?

Oh, and then Muhammad said from the Quran by the permission of the REVEALER, that Fir'awn body is saved as a sign for later generations. Check the Egyptian historical record, please! And its a truth that somebody else who may have been an antagonist discovered: And the Lunar travellersfrom America to the MOON, in 1969 said they saw a CRACK on the SURFACE of the MOON! That should be enough to support Muhammad (AS) even here in America!

Nezan, ask Sleek29 to help you on the Former Comforter and then he can participate in the Another Comforter!

@Nezan: Ha ha ha ha ha! Ad you have not told us who the Former COMFORTER was!

Am not an Ibadan boy. So Ogunpa can't take the mony from my family. I am, again and Ijebu Ode man. You see am consistent in my argument; If I sanction a 9 year old "young gil" relationship, with her husband, it means that were married. Their society allowed it and no one frowned at it, etc, etc, etc!

Now am also a yoruba man. I lived a yoruba existence at least in my early years. Even now I mentain my yorubaness, the very reason I identified myself as OLABOWALE on nairaland. You can not tell me lies about your never have "whored" in Nigeria before! If you now live in the Western Country; I know you are still whoring. And the reason that I am not "Whoring is Islam"! Now lie to me and tell me why you are not whoring, because remember cancelled all "sins?" And if you are not doing it, its because you are slow and have not catched up to the Biblical injuction of " whosoever does not sin, stone!" And when you have Fela as you identified hero, I wonder what your sexuality is all about?

At least am honest enough that Islam stops me. There is nothing stopping you, or is there? And finally, is there a level that you will not go to when you accused a late person of the same thing you are doing now? Listen, you will just be like the hypocritical pharisees at the time of Jesus!


Not that am boasting, but it is try that I do not smoke Igbo, or drink alcohol and "LovePeddler" like Fela. At least all my friends can vouche if only that about me. Mind you the se part I struggle with it, so that I do not stay into it!

I want you to now tell us what you dont do? And oh, I dont smoke at all. And you can take that to the bank, banker. And please I wanna hear from you, as you accused a late man, so you can be asked to defend yourself, and let your conscience be your judge!

and Fela accused everyone, including and immediately when Murtala Muhammad died in mid '70s. The only good in the eyes of Fela were his mother, maybe his father and the crazies that he enjoyed. Then maybe people like Nkumah who cant even marry from his own country! While I may not agree with late Abiola (ra) on everything, at least he shared Islam with me. No one said that he added other things with his religion. No one agrees with e 100%, including my woman/women!

Where did your christian mind agree with Idol worshipper Fela, if you ever went to his "republic" before, you will know what I am saying? Am wasting my time talking to you. The same you who will get into any skirt before she say lickie da split! Married and having tons of girlfriends. I know your type. Remember that Jesus will wash it off you already so why trying to pretend that you dont run after the skirts of Nigerian singles?

@GEW:

you are a very childish person. where did your "benefactor" uncle get his money from? o you add tribalist to your titles too. what a shame.

Am an Ijebu Ode man. He was from Abeokuta. How are we related again, now? I am an Ijebu man. Again thats yoruba. I could be tribalist so much that I married an Igbo woman. You are making sense now! And I want to remain a child so that I can respond to people like you when you say evil things about the dead!

how does abusola insulting osisi equal my saying abiola is no hero. if he is your hero go ahead not even a fahtwah can make him be mine. he was a thief in my book and continue to be such not even sending you and your likes to school exempts him.

My education was financed by Fishing Business in Nigeria. I dont think Abiola was in fishing business. Or was he?

apart from the rumours you hear about him in nigeria i worked for natwest fir good 6yrs in nigeria so you wont tell me anything about abiola.
he was a documented thief. remember felas ITT was about abiola

@GEW: And if Fela is your idea hero, then remember his many wives in the 70s? In the early '70s, he encouraged many young girls of high school age to quit their education! My proof; He didn't send them back to their homes, and escoriated them to wait until at leat after High school! Yemisi Olukemi was one of them. She was about 15 in '71 and she never continued her education.What a wasted talent. She came from good home. And another , a younger sister of my friend Geoffrey Adebayo Ijandipe left while still in Queen Girls High School! The unkept Fela, original amugbo who died of HIV/AIDS comple, is your hero? That was your value system deficiency!

Abiola today produced offsprings that are worthy of notice. I know one of them who was who is who in American Universities. She educated herself, without a penny from the estate. And so were her siblings, from the same mother! While Allah have washed away the sexual sins of Abiola by his not having any sex in the last years of his life, can you say the same about your heroic Fela? What about his death versus that of Abiola? He died of AIDS and Abiola died of poison. Unless you have any proof, he did not contact any HIV/AIDS sexual disease, a Mercy from his Lord, Allah the Almighty. Now about my being sponsorred by him; I do not know him and my education is from my family. Not a single penny did I get from any state government in Nigeria. And never take any assistance here in the US, during my days! Aji se bi Oyo lanri, Oyo o je se bi omo enikon kon! (Somebody should translate my yOruba Owe to him, GEW, if he does not understand it)!

Re: Unbelievable! Mohammed Saw Jesus
@Noetic:« #12 on: Today at 01:01:12 PM
I am cool. . .how are u?
considering the antecedents of islam, allah and mohammed . . . , I believe say na lie.
@sleek29 « #13 on: Today at 01:39:56 PM »
funny, i know some people witnessed the transfiguration of christ but mo sef the guy has wild imaginations ooo, and i heard he took a flying horse.
@Nezan (m) « #14 on: Today at 01:53:28 PM » (The laughing emoticons in play)

The three amigos without the sambrero hats! Why is it so difficult for you that Jesus did not do anything unique that what some other prophet did, since they were all humans and messengers and or prophets of their Lord God Almighty Creator?

Look, in the scale of messengership success, only among the Children of Jacob who are called primariy Israelites or sChidren of Israel and now commonly known as the Jews, Moses is far more successful than Jesus was! Look at the percentages of those who still cling to Musa's book, the Torah versus those who adopted the Injil of Isa, among them. While Musa carries at least 95% of them, Isa and Muhammad run neck and neck with the others, where some of them are just ethnic Jews and probably Buhddist, etc!

Jesus said in the Bible, that he cant do nothing on his own, except what his Lord God permits, he did! He raised a dead man, Musa did in Surah Baqarah of Quran, and in his time a party from children of Israel died while another watched them and they returned alive, again! Then the party who had just witnessed this died and came back alive so that the first party can witnessed the death and the coming back to life! . Jesus made clay become Bird, Musa made stick become snake three times. Once in the burning bush that the vegetation did not burn, ecept it was a way for Allah to invite him, see a miracle even before Allah let him heard His VOICE through the vegetation, then twice before Fir'awn, and the first Fir'awn got up and ready to take to his heels! The last time, Musa's real snake swallowed the make beliefs of the magician. Read Quran and see its great diffrenece from the Bible!

While you reported Jesus to meet 3 people: Elijah, Elisha and Moses, Muhammad (AS) on the other hand, was woken up, and led by an Angel (1st phenominon) from Makka to Jerusalem (Idon not want to bore anyone with the specific details; all of it a collection of Phenomina).

His arrival in Illyah (Jerusalem), was nothing short of Miracle! He got there meeting an assemble of prophets, messengers from Adam (AS), our father (See how Mary could be sister of Aroon, when I am correct to call Adam my father?), all theway to Jesus son of mary (AS) (Notice that I called im by his mother's name, making him a son of man; mankind geneology that is, all the way to Adam?). Muhammad (AS) met all of these people totalling 124,000, and in their company was an Angel; Arch-angel Jibril (AS)! Imagine that to just three of them that Jesus met? 124,000 an an angel of the calibre of Jibril is at least equal to just 3 without Jibril from the same pool of 124,000. No?


Muhammad led them all in Prayer; Salatul alla Ibrahima. Note that Muhammad was making salah before Allah made it obligatory in Madina! If just this, without the going to heavens and returning, his prophetic mission is not less important than that of Isa bin Mariam (AS)! Transfigurations, eeh! Muhammad is unique amongst prophet. Allah calls him Habib; Lover. The one dearst to the Creator that his name was attached to Allah's name ; Muhammadr Rasulullah.

@Nezan: I am original Nigerian man. You cant tell me anything about young man and young woman, in Nigeria. The relationship is simply sexual. I am sure I did not insult you by my comment, otherwise you will not let it slide!

And on the "Comforter" issue, you answered nothing! You did not tell me who was the former Comforter. After you do that, we will graduate to the "another" Comforter.

Then we can come to the Satanic Verses, since that is what you want. I am ready for a mature dialogue, unless you wanna pass on the "former Comforter" because you know nothing about it? Hence I am going to draw inference that you will not know nothing about the "another Comforter", too!

When you have the strenght to speak up, I will lecture you about "former and another Comforters"; their natures, duties and other matters, both from the remnant of it, still in the Bible and the very simple information, complete and direct from the Quran!

And GEW is the same person who talked evil about "mko" 9ra), who many of nigerians, igbos, yorubas, etc, males and females, muslims and non-muslims got their hinnies out of "troubled" Nigeria to "greener pastures," claiming that they were his family members or through his company's personnel training relations with many companies at least in America. That goodwill, alone is enough to benefit him, InshaAllah so that he is from jannah.

And his wives knew he had no sex in the 4 years that he spend in the "place of arrest" in Abuja. A placed where he dided! Now tell me, a man who you knew could not do with sex was sexless for 4 years and died at the end of it, is that not a present day phenominon? Who could have thought that MKO would be arrested by Babangida, the same man who asked him to enter politics? The same man who is his brother in Islam? Who would have thought that Abacha, another Muslim would overthrow Babangida, yet kept Abiola, his brother in Islam locked up, until his death?

Abiola's case is amazing to me as a Yoruba man, that the whole of Yoruba people kept quite, while they turned around and supported Obasanjo in their usual conniving bad politics of "Omo wa ni, eje o she?" GEW, when Abuzola spoke about a woman about the age of his mother, according to you, how should we classified you about lack of respect and wisdom about Abiola, who was a benefactor to many Nigerians, while some of his children suffer in America to pull themselves through University, without the adequate help from those who had taken from this same Abiola in his lifetime: Muslims and non-muslims alike, regardless of their tribes?

@Nezan:« #30 on: Today at 12:13:51 PM »

My idea of heaven is not having unlimited sex before God!! God forbid!!! I can never join such a club, never!!!!

Dont worry about it. Rather forget about it. The qualification required for it you dont have. You are probably chasing after the Abuja women, spending all your salary on trying to get some. Or you let women give you money? I call that prostitution!

The fatwa placed on Salman Rushdie by Ayatollah for using the title for his novel

Leave the Fatawa of the Ayatollah and Satanic verses of rushdie, alone and lets talk about the Comforter business in the other thread. I promise you we will return to satanic erses for sure! Deal? Good.

In jest or not, you use it, when you honor yourself. And its not when you humiliate or dishonor yourself. I use it when I want to show my important to any one. My wife is a good start. And she is permissable to use it for herself and say, Olabowale o, awa laya e. I got no problem with it.

So let the dude marlbron know that majestic plural is permissable by the one in authority. Definitely, The God/Allah/Eloi can used it for imself, alone, without somebody thinking that there are associates and co authority holders with Him. This is my agument.

@Nezan: I will come to Ayatollah later on. But I do not want to loose a better conversation with a man who may have had his reasons for what he did about his fatawa! I live in USA, and what they do in Iran has no great impact on me even as much as what they do in Nigeria that I do not live in.

Now lets start about the "Comforter" business, with who the "Former Comforter" is or was at the time that Jesus of the Bible was speaking about "another Comforter" to them. There must be a former before an another. No? After you give me the full details of the former; his or his ghostly or human essence, etc, I will take you to school, from the beginning; when Jesus first began to tel his disciples about why he is not telling them higher thngs than the elementary that he had told them. And the "Another" future thing relative to present or past "Comforter" will deal with the advanced stuff; 100% and complete!

@Nezan « #90 on: Today at 10:51:10 AM »  

What prophesy that did not come to pass?
1. Mohammed is quoted in the Hadiths (Book 37, Number 4282) that the conquest of Constantinople would occur within a specific period of time:[

What ahadith book please? Who is the collector; Bukhari, Muslim, who and whats the riwaya; chains of naration and how many sets of reporters? Something like this should be heard many, many companions, no? You are a smart man, I would expect that you are smart enough to tell us. Then I will respond to your allegations, and your Webmasters of doom. Those who are leading you by the noose to hell fire and you are following them!

2. Sura 48:27 makes the following promise:
"Truly did Allah fulfill the vision for His Messenger. Ye shall enter the Sacred Mosque, IF ALLAH WILLS, with minds secure, heads shaved, hair cut short, and without fear. For He knew what ye knew not, and He granted, besides this, a speedy victory."
This verse was revealed in conjunction with the Muslims' failed attempt of entering Mecca to perform Tawaf (the ritual during Hajj of running between two mountains that was supposed to commemorate Hagar's fetching of water for Ishmael).
On their way to the Ka'bah, they were met with a Meccan deputation headed by Suhail b. Amr who forbade the Muslims from completing their journey. This meeting then led to the signing of the treaty of Hudaibiya.
Muhammad promised that his followers would have access to Mecca that very same year. When that did not occur, Muhammad attempted to justify his statement by stating, "Yes, did I tell you that we would go to Ka'ba this year?" (Ibid)
In other words, since he did not specify when they would enter Mecca this cannot be considered a false prophecy! This is simply erroneous since the Muslim contingent was on their way to Mecca when a deputation from the pagan Arabs stopped them.

Ummrah is not full Hajj! Ummrah you do not go to Minna and Arafah. Now the Ayah of the Victory of Makka did not happen until after the treaty of Hudaibiya! It was this treaty that allowed the young nation toconcern themselves with others, and worry less about the Makkans, who had a great advantage in the qording of the treaty! Finally, take a special note of the: IF ALLAH WILLS""!

That to me tells every thinking person that when Allah Wills, it happened for Muhammad (AS) and not when Muhammad willed! And my supporting statements are many; First, in Makka period when AbiTalib, his  Uncle was dying, Muhammad (AS) asked him to even just say one time that "There is no God worthy of Worship ecept Allah." His Uncle died without even repeating it to rotest that he will not say it. Allah revealed to His Messenger "It is Allah wWho makes people Muslim by His Mercy." Again, in the battle of Huud, his beloved Uncle Hamzah was matytr, and he was told of the Killer; Waashi, the african slave who was a fierce warrior. Muhammad (AS) was so grieved that he opened his mouth to intend to curse this man. But Jibril came down and stopped him from making sucha pronouncement! Later this man Waashi became a muslim and he and Ali bin Talib killed a great enemy of Islam while the prophet was still alive.

In short, in your lack of knowledge; Muhammad will not be allowed to say whatever will not be granted him. Makka was defeated without a single drop of blood and he showed the greatest mercy that has ever demostrated between humans; he gave a whole city inhabitants wholesale amnesty, when they epected blood bath, since they had treated him and his "makkan" followers so evilly and had to run for shelter in Madina living with the Hepers "Ansar" of madina. I get you idea; some computer www is oing the thinking for you. You just go there to copy. Again my statement about the future crop leadership of Nigeria stands based on you as the poster child!

3.
Muhammad allegedly claimed that the Antichrist (called the Dajjal) was to appear shortly after the Muslim conquest of Constantinople. Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.
Accordingly, Muslims conquered Jerusalem in 636 AD. Constantinople was taken over by Muslims in May 1453 AD. Yet the prophecy regarding Yathrib (Medina) being in ruins and Antichrist's advent to take place seven months after the conquest of Constantinople did not materialize. Based on the preceding traditions Antichrist was to appear in November 1453.

Again Book of ahadith needs to be presented here. A blanketed statement without specificity to verify it will not pass muster! I will, InshaAllah after you failed effort will provide ahadith that will go against yours. My will contain Compiler(s), and the number of times each was reported with the chain of narrators!

And we are expecting to be a nation with 21st century thinking? How can we when we have people like Nezan as our crop of future leaders? He couldnt understand that Surah fatihah and indeed all the Quran is given as guidance, Speech of Allah, for humans to follow, use as how to communicate, one on one wth the Creator? And whats funny is that he used the grinning emocom (I hope thats what they call thse faces), ridiculously!

He is talking about Satanic Verses. I wish he discussed it/them. If only it had been true, the fact that the carrier of the story said he was corrected by Jibril, immediately it happened show that he was a prophet. If it happened. But I say it did not happen!

@Nezan:

You make me laugh. Which exposure? How do you doubt my father when your prophet was making false prophesies that didn't ever come to pass? so much for a false prophet and his followers.

What prophesy that did not come to pass?

Now tell me who the former Comforter was? And who was/is the another conther Comforter that will abide with you (believers) for ever and will show and tell things that Jesus did not tell the people who had under developed hearts, his listeners, whom he had categorised as such?

Oko obinreen! thats Ijebu for you. Now, that I know that you know how to seduce your wife, tell me, can you use majestic plural to honor yourself by furthering your seduction? To satisfy a woman is a big task. Most men fall short of its accomplishment, so the woman never let him know how inadequate he his in the pre-intimacy department. pre-intimacy does not have to lead to sex, immediately, you know.

I want to hear about the majestic plural bit. Can you tell us how that is? Do you use it? I want you to take Marlbron to school on this issue!

iwo oo nikon nse ntie. lol. o sherole wednesday, america o ni gbagba ku gba o. pele noetic? nibo ni noetic2 dee gba loo? losun ogbeni oja!