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@ahonohai: I was just telling the guy who said that the Christians are not in the Business of data collection that it should be deemed important just as much if not more important than the "mondane" in my own judgement of the geneology that was collected 2 times. At least one of them passed through a mere step father. There is no rblood relationship, between the two at all, except that they were from the same nations of the children of Israel.

If I did not know better, I will think that Noetic is a broken record. He repeats himself too much.

@Tudor: « #13 on: Today at 07:31:38 PM »

So what's your point??
Are you now a psychologist to no know the kind of poison they prepared?
As long as the exact poison was not mentioned claims to the type and time of effect of the poison are mere speculation.
Besides a thousand and one reasons abound as to why a very deadly poison might not be immediately fatal in some people.

So olabowale mohammed was poisoned by a woman which eventually lead to his death. What kind of a prophet can't forsee his own demise??

If you read about his death, you will know that the option for him to remain on earth as long as he wished was open to him. He obeyed Allah, in the same manner at death that Musa (AS) did. Each knew that regardless of how long they stayed, death willcome in the long run! I wonder if you realised that since we do not know what type of poison, everything else is speculation. As you speculate to ridiule him, so do I have the right to speculate against your ridicles.

The messenger said that the effect of the poison played a role, not that it is the only responsible element. The last Ramadan that he observed, he recited 2 times the Quran to Jibril, who did the same tthing back to Muhammad (AS). And in previous ramadans, they alway just one time to each other.

And in the only Hajj he made, he gave a Khutbah which is now known as the farewell speech! In it, he said I do not know if I will be here with you next year. he told his follwoers the muslims to witness that he delivered the Message of Allah to His people. And they all said that he did. He told them to carry the message far and wide and many never went back to their family, from their to as far back as Malaysia, etc!

This Hajj, there were 100 animals placed before him. He personally slaughtered 63 of them. The rest were slaughtered by Ali AbiTalib. 63 years happened to be how old he was that year which he died before the next hajj. Coincidence? You tell me.

@Nezan: #8 on: Today at 11:42:34 AM »

@Olabowale,

Compare this to what Prophet Elijah did:

Holy Bible records the following event where the prophet Elisha saved certain prophets from the harmful effects of poisonous food:

"Elisha returned to Gilgal and there was a famine in that region. While the company of the prophets was meeting with him, he said to his servant, 'Put on the large pot and cook some stew for these men.' One of them went out into the fields to gather herbs and found a wild vine. He gathered some of its gourds and filled the fold of his cloak. When he returned, he cut them up into the pot of stew, though no one knew what they were. The stew was poured out for the men, but as they began to eat it, they cried out, 'O man of God, there is death in the pot!' And they could not eat it. Elisha said, 'Get some flour.' He put it into the pot and said, 'Serve it to the people to eat.' And there was nothing harmful in the pot." 2 Kings 4:38-41 NIV

Why couldn't Muhammad have done the same for his friend if he was truly a prophet like the OT prophets?

At long last those whom Elisha temporarily saved died. And at long last, even the temporary (Saver/Savior), Elisha (AS) himself died! Whats your point? Jesus whom you called god, by your own account (even though I do not believe either), died through a mere wound he sustained on the cross from the nailing down, according to your own account. Richard Pryor in one of his concerts in the 1970s said that he dreamt, and he saw a guy on the cross, who got his attention by his whisper. Asking him to get closer until he got so close that he asked him, who he was? The one on the cross said am Jesus, but thats besides the point. The reason I want you here is to do me a favor. Richard Pryor said, what Kind of favor lord?

Jesus responded,: get me down from this place, am scared of heights! Richard wondered; if he cant get himself down, why should I? If I get him down, am I not more powerful at that very time than him? Why would anybody believe a one nailed to the wall? No one can nail God to the wall? Ok Cross.

Look nezan, my regular disease is food poisoning. I may suffer it, at anytime based on many factors. All I have to do is chew a handful of what is commonly known as "black seeds." Its call Abati barakah in Arabic language. The indian subcontinent people call it Kulunji! I simply just say: Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim and get an amount equals the volume of say ten whole peanuts in my mouth and chew. By the time I swallow, Alhamdulillah I am better. I feel the poison dissolving right there in my gut; a place between my upper and lower cavities! This knowledge is from Muhammad (AS). It is part of the medicine of Muhammad (AS) Maybe you do not know that Allah have decided that the meat will contribute to his death so that he will be considered as a Shuadah (Martyr). But that poison was not responsible 100% for his death, if we factor Old age and the fact that his mission was ended. Why would he remain on earth?

@Tudor: « #5 on: Today at 09:25:32 AM »

What's your point?
The deadly effect of a poison can range from immediately to a few years. In the case of the latter, the ingested poison causes some damage to internal organs or systems. The body is able to compensate for a while but in the long run the person dies due to the complications. Allahu akbar.

You are a toxicologist? Lets leave that alone. These people the Jews, were the same people who used to kill their own, without any remorse. What do you think they would have done to a person whose bloodline they put doen so much? Would you expect the strenght of the poison to be lighter of extremely stronger? It is obvious that they will have the strongest dose of the most poisonuous for him. Let me go to Nezan to amuse him a little before I go for my prayers. I will be back to resolve his Elijah Issue.


@Nezan (m) « #6 on: Today at 11:35:20 AM »

@Olabowale,

Here is the evidence you asked for:

A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 47, Number 786)

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." 'Umar then asked Ibn 'Abbas about the meaning of this Holy Verse:-- "When comes the help of Allah and the conquest of Mecca, " (110.1)

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713)

Anas reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him (Allah's Messenger). (When the effect of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the affects of this poison) on the uvula of Allah's Messenger. (Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Number 5430)


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Olabowale, here is another one:

Narrated AbuSalamah:

Muhammad ibn Amr said on the authority of AbuSalamah, and he did not mention the name of AbuHurayrah: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to accept presents but not alms (sadaqah).

This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) ate of it and the people also ate.

He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur al-Ansari died.

So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?

She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 39, Number 4498


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Have you noticed that he said it "cut off" his aota? Tell me how many people have survived for more than a few moments when the aota was cut off? If this Old man (AS) survived many years with a cut off aota, that in itself was a sign of his prophethood, because it was a miracle! Have you read that a fellow survided with cut off aota for many years, functioning as a normal human being, eating drinking, sleeping, and never chocked on his own blood, etc?

How about the fact that the burden of prophethood never lifted off his shoulders, whereby revelation at this time was just as frequent as if he never was sick? Could we then say that the impactwas so grievous that he was not functioning and was unable to carry his great responsibility? Guys, you need to think first before being so emotional!

@Nezan: How come the Jews never believe that they have more than one personality in Yahweh, or Jehovah or Eloi or Eloihim? Moses worked on tyrannical Pharaoh and defeated him and his military without saying anything about Jesus the son, or ghost, etc. The Jews must be so dumbed up about it! How can a Levite Musa with all the personal conversations with Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, Eloi missed it so much with his brother Haroon beside him? Yet this One God Eloi, Elohim, Jehovah, Yahweh never for once said to him: Look here Moses, you called Me just only these names, you never remembered My other names: Ghost, or Son? You need to at least call Me that the next time around in the front of the people. They need to know that I will come in a flesh in the future, just another revelation that I am using to strenghten you.

How come Jesus himself was saying that there is a God that sent him? How come he was heard crying, begging, praying, etc to the same God to help him? How come Jesus said that he and his listeners have the same God and Lord and that God Lord is just One? And there is no sign from that language that Jesus is that One God Lord!

Finally, was it not so that Jesus was asking Eloi Elohim why he was forsaken? Its interesting that that verse was left intact in hebrew or rather, Aramaic.

@Noetic:« #25 on: Yesterday at 11:39:35 PM »

why is forgiveness not an option to allah? why is allah a condoner of jungle justice? who has allah ever forgiven?
why does allah want all non-muslims dead?

I have adressed your Forgiveness issue. I even show you that Allah throws in Mercy. too. Now, everyone will die, muslims or not. Death is inevitable. So take your lump like a man. You cant escape it. No way, no how, no escaping it!


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whats all this u are running about with? how many times do u want me to produce the haddiths were aisha clearly stated her age?
why do u shamelessly love us to go through this circle again?[/quote]Just like the Bible's Gospels according to the 4 named, ahadith is like that. It is also according to. Why do we know what is true about the Gospel Verses? The qualities and duties of Jesus have to be the measure of each. The same we we dispute you calling Jesus god, because it just does not jive. It is the same way that we argue about the ahadiths. We only agree if it is in line with the quality of the Messenger (AS). I dont wanna go on debating a dead issue. Let me tell you, whatever the prophet did, I am satisfied with. I copy him to a "T" if I can.


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Even if what you say is true, it may be that our part of the Hellfire does not burn people since there is paradise waiting for us, anyway. We may be there to observe the burning up of the disbelievers, so that we can appreciate the more the Mercy that we are receiving. It is not impossible to imagine the fire not burning a believer, because it had happened on earth with Ibrahim (AS).

so u do acknowledge that u are hell bound? INCREDIBLE![/quote]The "IF" of my statement kills any possibility of saying that I said that I agreed. Read it again. If we have to assume that you are correct, it will be the part of the hell that does not burn, like your part that will incinerate you one time! Is that what you want man? To burn in hell over and over and over again, while my side is the spectator part, seeing you suffer?

Let me make it clear to you; there are two arts in a stadium; the athletes parts in the competition and the spectator part enjoying the activities in the shades.

Another is the luxurious part in Nigeria and the sufferring part. Both are in Nigeria.

@Noetic:
5:73 to top Muhsin Khan: Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.

5:74 to top Muhsin Khan: Will they not repent to Allah and ask His Forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

5:75 to top Muhsin Khan: The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).

The above is just a respond to your statement about Allah not forgiving people. Above, you will see that the door of Forgiveness is opened wide for you to walk right in! Read again!

@Noetic: O da bi pe O ki ngbo nkon mii, ju eleyi ti o ti gbo lakoko!

« #29 on: Today at 01:19:06 PM »
has he not revealed his knowledge in the koran and haddith?
can we not deduce aisha's age from her statements in the haddith? must we deny this things, just in an attempt to make mohammed look good?

Again, true to form; it is Quran and not Koran! lol. Am just having fun with you. I know you are just trying to put pins and niddles and other obsructions on the path of the muslims. I know that you guys are goneho on calling it "K", yet other words with Q letter you never replaced it with K.

You can't deduce Aisha's by just the statement that they say she said, without considering all the factors of truthful elements with it! That is not a ahadith, based on the definition of ahadith. Secondly, if she was born prior to The year that begins Islam, the 40th year of the Prophet being alive and her father, Abu Bakr being 38 years old, we will have to say that she was at least 14 years old when her father made Hijra with the Prophet!

Noetic, you must have seen a 14 year old tall girl, in England? No? Here in America where for the most part everything goes, this summer you will see the people that young, boys and girls crying on TV to wanna be parents!

The look is not what matters. There is a landmark event to calculate her age. It is the advent of the Islam of Muhammad (AS), next door to her parents! For example, Nigerian Independence is a good landmark event to measure the ages of those of us born in the 1950's of Nigeria. Thinkabout Aisha's date of birth. Rather year of birth for a moment.

He is the best of Knower.

And Allah knows everything. he is the Best of knowers.

@Abuzola: None of us is a scholar, par se in the Islamic general terminology of it. However each is a scholar when he understands something in a special and more detail way that there is more light shone on the subject matter. This is Mercy of Allah in Islam on everyone who is a muslim. For example, somebody just accepted Islam, and he joins the Jama'a in his first salah. It happens to be Magrib where recitation is loud. Immediately he hears suratul Fatihah, which affected his heart, He hears other short surahs in the salah. By the end of the salah he had memorize these salah that he can now use to make his own prayer. Knowledge was impacted on him by his Lord because of his heart.

It is true that Imam Bukhari made great effort, unique I would say in his collection of ahadiths. But he did not collect all ahadith from A to Z. Some of his reasons for not even collecting from a man was because the man conned his horse to come to him, by cupping his hand as if there was food, when there wasnt any.

Ahadith, and sunnah is the saying and or action of the holy prophet (AS). And what he (AS) allowed others to do or say, in his presence without correcting them or forbidden them. It is not possible that the explanation or indication of our mother Aisha's age (RA), to show how old or young se was can qualify for ahadith. It does not fall into any of the two processes that I know that can be called ahadith or sunnah. At best, it will appear as part of the SIRAH of the prophet, not as his ahadith. A sunnah about marriage is his marrying a young woman Aisha and waiting for as long as it takes for her to be in the right frame of mind, and body before consumation of the marriage. For example, she Aisha was reported to be a sickly woman, based on many factors: It could be genetic or the stress that every muslim went through in Makka, prior to Hijr to Madina.

Whatever the reason, the noble soul, Muhammad (AS) was not all about sex, since he held his ground for 3 years after the marriage. In that period she lived with him and there was no sex even at that! Can anyone attempt to do that, today or at anytime? If I am married to a woman, if she has fever or those common maladies, or even a serious one, as long as her energy is not completely sapped, I will sleep with her. Most and I dare say that all men will sleep with their wives in the condition I have simply stated what I will do. Her sickness will not take away from her desirability or her beauty in my eyes and her being my wife, still. She may even get better because of the fact that she was not rejected by her husband because of her temporary condition or a permanent one which she was married under!

Sunnah and ahadith of Muhammad, that points to marrying a younger woman, young girl, for the most part is what he said to the man who married for his first marriage, an old woman, instead of a young one. Reasons he gave; to play with her, making your mental state younger almost equals hers. To have babies with her so that Islam can increase. I believe that I become younger when I do dialogue my young wife, Zainab. She discusses things of the 1990s which I am familiar with, even though I am not of that generation. I can run and wrestle with her rather than a broken down woman in my age group (I think Toyin is going to have a field day when ever she reads this part).

Prophet Muhammad said that when a woman is asked by her parents about a marriage proposal; when her eyes tear up, taste it. If the tear is sweet, know that she is interested in the man. It is an acceptance, even though she may not say a word in response. If her tears is bitter, not sweet, then know that she has no interested in the man. And no one should force anyone to marry a spouse that he or she is not interested in. You can get involved in arranged marriage, which the spouses agree with, but force one on anybody.


Now, according to the above, Aisha was born prior to the year of revelation. Otherwise, there was no report that her mother was pregnant at anytime after she entered islam with her husband. If it had been, we would have had the first recorded Islamic naming ceremony recorded by it. At least in the household of Abu Bakr, the neighbor of Muhammad (AS), who would probably for certain be the one that will perform it. It would have been just like the first Funeral prayer. Or the prayer of the dead person you did not see, like the one he performed on Al Nagashi, the King of Ethiopia.

It was also established that Fatima (RA), the child of Muhammad and Khadijah (RA) was just few years older than Aisha (RA)! We know that Fatima would have been many years old since her parents married 15 years before Islam of Muhammad. Considering the age of her mother, 40 years before her marriage to the prophet, it is not impossible to assume that she was born before she was 50 years old, even though other children were born into the household too. We can not say that they had no capability to have children. afterall. Muhammad (AS) was 25 at the time of marriage and we read in many sources that they had Kassim and at least two oter daughters along with Fatima, making at least 4. The only child of Muhammad that was not born by Khadijah was Ibrahim who was born by the Coptic tribe Egyptian, Mariam (RA), our mother.

The inquiries to the true age of Aisha will have to include all of these, above a variety of material sources to trace her year of birth or at least the circumstances that can help determine her age relative to the beginning of the first revelation. W must never forget that Islam of Muhammad, from that first encounter with Jibril (AS) was never kept under wrap so that we cant use it as a frame of reference, a landmark, to determine many happenings in the life of islam. Afterall, it was used to know how long they tarried in Makka, with how long it took for revelation to complete. It also was used to determine the age of Muhammad, 63 years old before he died.

The final condition we should put forward to help us know what the true age of Aisha was is the fact that she was engaged to somebody else, a different makkan family long before Muhammad (AS) asked her father through emissary about her. THe only reason she was still not married at that time was that the future husband's family was paganicwhile Abu Bakr's household was islamic. We know that it is not permissible for muslim women to marry non muslim husband. If the ayah that expresses this was not revealed at that time, for sure the action fits perfectly with the later revealed verse. Therefore we must start our analysis not from when Aisha became a wife, but from what happened from her birth all the way to her marriage. All of these, as the first leg of our analysis of her life to getting to the truth. I ask; would she have been left alone for three years without consumation of te said marriage if she had been married to the first man? The answer is probably no.

AS for me, a six year old or 60 year olf makes no difference with the prophet, espectially when it was an ordained thing with Allah. However, nothing that Allah provides for mankind to make use on this earth should be hard to swallow. If Aisha is six years old, she was made a special woman so that "Legacy" of Muhammad was prolonged through her! Afterall, she died long time after him, and even after Fatima. My proof of this special woman in her is that she was the only "young" woman and the only virgin married by the Prophet. There is a reason for this. And only Allah knows all the reasons. If she was older, say 60, people will still have their individual rasons to criticise him. Afterall, many are criticizing him or marrying Khadijah, the woman who propposed to him, regardless of her age difference!All our discussion is not to white wash what has happened, because it has no impact on his prophethood. Infact it makes him human. A naturally easy to follow human being without the frails of impossibilities.


Finally, Bukhari's collection was in greatest of intentions; to preserve the saying and doings of Muhammad (AS). But all of his doings and sayings, none disagrees with the Quran. When he worshipped too much, all night long, a condition that Aisha saw as a hardship on him, going against that islam is easy and not a burden, Allah revealed Surah Taha to tell him that a maximum of half of the night is enough! There is no disagreement therefore between his life and Quran. Bukhari can not be looked at as completely perfect, otherwise we will be having a another human prophet, and another Quran as his book. We know that both of those are not possible. Finally, Bukhari did not meet Aisha (RA). Imam Bukhari (ra) met those people who narated the story. We need to know those people and the veracity of their naration, their ability to have collected such an information from her. When did they collect it? Is it possible that a young person at 6 could remember everything that happened and relate it without missing a beat at say 3 years old? I do not remember everything that happened in 1960 to 62, considering all the technological advancement in this period versus the 1400 years and mounting so long ago. When my father died in 1966, I cant remember precisely where I was when we were woken up that dad (ra) had passed.


To look like a 6 year old is far different than to be 6 on the money. I look quite young for my age, but my age is my age! Thanks to islam, wudu makes the body good. My thought is this, some body might have just ran with a statement that was incorrect. The best proof for or against it is the actual time she was born relative to when Islam began on one hand. On the other hand her age relative to when she got married to Muhammad (AS). If she remembered tis event vividly, she dd not claim that she was unhappy, abused, etc even when Ali AbiTalib and her were on opposite end. If the distractors were able to tell us that she complained (not true) about revelation of convenience, she should have in his lifetime and easy after he died to have complained bitterly about her unwillingness to marry him at such a young age. Was it not the Islam of Muhammadthat have liberated women, regardless of the oppressions and regressions and deviations that the muslim leadership have brought upon females today? Aisha was reported to have attended the prosecution of the battle of Badr. She rode the horse all by herself. Would a young underage could have done either?

Again, I am not disputing what our Imam Bukhari (ra) did. He collected what he collected. THose which are correct, you will know it by its agreement with the Quran and fitting the known personality of th messenger. The statment of Aisha (AS) regarding her age, could never pass for ahadith. At best a sunnah, if it was expressed in the lifetime of the prophet, and he heard it without adding any comment to it.

And T. B. Joshua did not try to use the "name of Jesus" prayer or command or request, etc to stop it? What happened, since M. J. was a christian at the time of death?

I would like to read the mode of worship of the Christians, posted by Noetic, Davidylan, $Osisi, etc. I hope they will enlighten a person like me.

@Noetics and Tudor: Please, our resident toxicologists, since that Dollar signed young girl "$Osisi" will not answer my question about this topic of meat poisonig, could you do a good job instead? Tell me how long a poison can lodge in the body of a person, young or old, and when that person dies, every possible reason for the death must not be consiered with, but only the earlier poison must be creditted for it?


What if the person died at 63, and not sick from the time he ingested the meat several years ago? Could we honestly consider such a death on the meat, alone without any other considerations, like old age, etc? I want this young girl (Aisha "$Osisi" to answer it, but all she has been doing is docking, yet she could, as a feminist christian conservative woman made light of a serious matter, by saying 'comot, let me enter!'

@No2Atheism: « #36 on: Today at 12:47:15 PM »  

Alhaji (who has probably gone to Mecca to bow down to the black stone and worship the moon god allah) please note that True Bible believers do not do guess work, hence no single living person can give you the age of Mary or Joseph, simply because the Bible never gave us the age.

We are not in the business of creating data where there is no to be given   .
If the bible says it, then so it is.
If the bible does not say it, then it means there is simply nothing to say about it.

Priority, man. Which one is important; Between the geneology of Jesus that the Bible took the pain to carry two versions of it, and the age of Mary the mother of Jesus? One would have to wonder whether her being too young to bear children, or young enough that she should have been still supposed to have other activities of youth to deal with rather than becoming a mother, both on one hand versus on the other hand, a woman who is old enough to be a mother, but unmarried yet became pregnant and have this baby, anyway? I think, however you slice it, it would have been an addition to the miracle of her pregnancy with Jesus. If she was a wife and not a virgin, no one would have raised an eyebrow in the first place. Afterall, up to that point, every human apart from Adam and his wife, all came about through a mother in a sexual relationship with a man.

If you were not in the busines of collecting or making up ata, you have done a very bad patch-up job on the geneology thing, evn so that you trace him through Joseop, who is at best his step father! You see why we sometimes say to you that what is important you ignore it and go stend too much on the lame, the mondane issues? I will let you and others wonder bindly in the darkness for a tad longer so that we give you the answer that so much elude you.


If you cant answer this question, that is so germaine to the essence of Mary, how can you tackle the matters pertaining to the time before the birth, and the youth of Mary up to the time that the angel appeared to her to announce the birth of this special human being, Jesus the son of Mary (AS)?

@Tudor: « #9 on: Today at 01:12:50 PM »

What rubbish!
Did islam tell us how the sperm was formed? Did your koran indicate what exactly the sperm was fertilizing? What exactly has islam told us about our biology?

Iwo yi de fe bobinrin sun, fun loyun ko de bimo? And you dont know how sperm is formed? THe basis of the formation is not difference from the formation basis of milk in woman's breast; it is from nutrient that a person eats, and the maturity of that person. A boy or girl does not have sperm as a new born, or the milk in the breast of the one who will later have it at adulthood. The adult stage have to be reached first by both, starting with puberty, etc. A boy who reaches puberty may not know that he has sperm from that very moment, until he sees the sign later. A woman who has a baby has milk in the best, rather than the one who does not have any baby, unless induced like the fake snow in cold weather. You have to eat food and develop before you can get to the stage of sperm developing in your body! Its like the facial hair. Its a stage anchored on stage because of how long a person is alive!


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I cant believe a sane man will accept as truth the nonsense you wrote- all because some deluded prophet said so.Has any dead man ever cried out to mohammed and sream "aha ahh ahh"or has a dead man ever told him he has feelings?All these are delusions at it's finest and it's a pity 1.3 billion people including you abuzola are victims of this con.[/quote]Your statement is like that of the church when they were told that the earth is not flat afterall. There ignorance is based on their knowledge at that time. Wait until you die. Then you will be lifeless, but will hear people crying. Will feel it when the morticians abuse you; slap you silly. You will feel it when they are doing the cutting and the jabbing of sticks in your body to drain out blood and replacing it with serium.All of these will be initial punishment. Yet no one will hear your cry. For us who believe that there is hell fire and paradise, when an obviously a person bad person dies, say Adolf Hitler, no one will expect him to go to Paradise, or does anyone thinks he will? The body to the touch will not feel warm, rather cold, even though he has seen hellfire. No, person who dies betray their position in hell.

And sleep is a junior death. And you hear noise from your subcontiousness, when asleep. Some are presumed dead.

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Quote from: noetic2 on Yesterday at 12:57:23 PM
1. They are very un-objective. They dont want to discuss paedophilia, amputation, beheading, temporary marriages and other inhumane things in islam. They easily lock threads that discusses these issues, that constitutes e-terrorism.

The ridiculous disdain of muslims to acknowledge the paedophilia act of mohammed is astonishing.
why would anyone be comfortable with the killing, beheading and amputation of others? why would anyone love to kill?
and why should allah promise paradise ONLY to suicide bombers?

Any attempt to address this issue objectively is rebuffed and seen as an attempt at hate. is islam against objectivity?

Whats so objective by you responding to your own entry? Sorry. I know that you are frustrated and its showing. Take it easy, man.

Finally whats so objective about you tryig to shout us down by your assertion of pedophilia of a situation which took place over 1400 years ago? Did anyone today kept the record of age of maturity then, or found out if Aisha my mother (RA) was already reached puberty? If a woman was engaged to a man who later refused to marry her and she married some one else after this, can we sincerely say that she was still an immature person? Why would aman who liked young girl married one, and left her for 3 years before consumating the marriage? Why 3 years and whats the purpose if he was such a pedophilile?

You have no argument so this is the reason you may be ignored after a good argument have been put forward to help you think about future opinions on the matter. But instead you just go on and on arguing blindly without any single evidence, except a weak ahadith, at best. And we know that it is weak because it goes again the Quran and the quality of the one who personified it.

Guys stop calling one another bad names

@Davidylan:

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Quote from: Jarus on Yesterday at 07:31:55 PM
The beauty of Islam is that you don't say what you don't know. Islam is based on knowledge, not what you feel. I am surely not as knowledgeable as Olabs and Babs, but I try my best to educate my Muslims brothers and non-Muslims on areas I know very well, and leave more knowledgeable brothers and sisters with others.
Care to know how I took on Funmi Deepzone on the aspect I know best in Islam: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-209195.0.html



err knowledge of what?

That Allah is Lord God Almighty Creator! Look around you, is there another creator? If there is more than one, dont you think each would have worked against the other, tryng to get over and usurp the authority of the other(s)? Get serious man. Wat am happy about is that each of you is still young enough to make mistakes and correct them, hopeful before you die! Whata about the old people who are unwaivering in the possible error that they are in?

@Noetic2: « on: Yesterday at 12:57:23 PM »

1. They are very un-objective. They dont want to discuss paedophilia, amputation, beheading, temporary marriages and other inhumane things in islam. They easily lock threads that discusses these issues, that constitutes e-terrorism.

The two in bold can be found as means of justice in Islam. Definitely the amputation of cronic thieves is a must. Let me ask you, do you let the arm robbers terrorise your family and if you have a chance while at it, you will not kill anyone of them, all of them, if you can? Your failure to do so will definitely result in their leaving with your properties, violating your loved ones, the women in particularly. And if their is any homo sexuals among them, your honor will be in jeopardy, too!

2. They are very unintelligent. The quality of responses is embarrassing. Ask a simple question and you all sorts of responses a 5 year old should never give.

Islam is very vast and none of us is a scholar. I am not surprised that you observed the same thing. But we satisfied ourselves about your accusation of pedophilia against the holy prophet (AS). If I may ask youdo you know a society or people which does not eat "Snail" because of its slimyness? What do you think if they learn that the Yorubas consider "Escargo" a priced delicatesse? They may actually think the Yorubas are crude, I would think. Thats how your pedophilia accusation is to me.

3. They see debates about islamic norms as a game. non-muslims are more interested in debating and discussing these issues and produce evidences, muslims see this as a game and will subsequently go to the religion section to start very unintelligent threads, as a way to get back at non-muslims.

What evidence have you been able to produce against Muhammad (AS) on your crying about his pedophilia act? That will have let merit than a people who dont eat Escargo producung evidence against the Igbo or Yorubas, or Hausas or Nigerians who consider it soemthing special. When a swiss person sees how the nigerians go crazy about lacy and or Damask, he wonders. These materials are less important in the article of clothings that they wish to own. I summit that your quality of morality is based on your experienced, your society and the place that you live and at the time you rae there! I wonder what people must have thought Mary was when she was pregnant as a single girl, yet unmarried? This single reason being yourunmarried virgin is why Allah allowed Son to defend Mother by giving him voice in the cradle! We the muslims are defending our beloved Muhammad from our computer.

4. They dont know or choose to ignore the fact that allah already decreed them to hell fire.

Even if what you say is true, it may be that our part of the Hellfire does not burn people since there is paradise waiting for us, anyway. We may be there to observe the burning up of the disbelievers, so that we can appreciate the more the Mercy that we are receiving. It is not impossible to imagine the fire not burning a believer, because it had happened on earth with Ibrahim (AS).

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oh the age of Mary conundrum . . . pls those stating ages shld be ready to give us CONCRETE PROOF. I know its the MO of muslims to shield Aisha's child abuse case by brandishing false ages for Mary.

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Give is her true age. Brandish it or not, we want it to be difference is elemental substance(s) from whatever the muslims will ever produce. That shouldnt be too hard for you to once and for all disproof Islam. I have been waiting for you to perform the Sunset rays on body of water and you have not done it. And all you have to do was to just go to any part in Rochester to look at the lake in time for Sunset. Simple visual observation that should be enjoyable to you, you refused it! Why?

probable I meant to say. but that has nothing to do with the domain of my inquiry.

@Noetic2: I just want the probably age of Mary who was still a virgin at the time she got pregnant. Thats all. I am not concerned with Old man Joseph who probably had passed his prime, yet with a virgin as a wife, according to you. She was his wife , no? I just want us to deal with Mary now and be adults about it. Thats not too much to ask. I dont think.

@Davidylan: You are a smart guy. At least thats my thought of you, otherwise may Allah help the owners of the Lab where you are honing your "skill of research." Who is more important in the Quran; Muhammad (AS) or Jesus (AS)? The obvious answer is Muhammad! Who is more important in the New Testament; Jesus (AS) or Moses (AS)? The obvious answer in this case is Jesus.

If the geneology of Moses was not in the New Testament, and the geneology ofJesus was not in the Old Testament, if the geneology of Muhammad  was not in the Quran, how do you think the geneology of Jesus will even be contained in the Quran? What purpose does it intend to serve?

Just to let you know that we know her age when she became pregnant, immediately just before the angel left her presence, we wil let you do a thorough search in the Christian scriptural sources, first. When there is no definite answer from you we will give time lines and obvious conditions that will let you know how old she really was.

Yesterday, as I was thinking about the people of Taif in the Arab desert and their ill-treatment of the prophet (AS) when he personal went to invite them to Islam, I couldnt but think about the aftermath and the wisdom behind it;

First after such a seddful ordeal on him, by their refusal to even listen to him and consider Islam, they asked their youth to stone him all the way ou of their city/town boundary! He bled from the wounds he received. Then while cleaning imself to pray to his Lord Allah for giving him victory; saving his life life from these potential killers, allowing him to be able to make a greater effort of propagation in the future, the servant of the owner of  the oasis or water flow, where he was cleaning himself up from the bllody wounds, in the grove, saw him. The young man offered  some refreshments, seeing the condition of this strange man, who was obviously in stressful condition, yet he saw some lights on him. The owner, who was from the children of Israel saw the light on Muhammad, too. But he was not going to let this light enter his heart, so he resorted to the only thing he knew, jump on the Slave and started beating him, a ready made means of showing his frustration or rather, 'this arab man could be that man we are waiting for, afterall!'

The jinns (genies if you you remember to watch Barbara Eden in  the "I dream of genie" show on TV. I think Turner broadcasting ,TV land, and Classic must be showing stuff like that), saw him praying. They listened and became Muslims, the religion which they took to their clans, just like humans would, when convinced of it.

They told their people that they just heard a recitation and were sure that it was similar (having the same source) MESSAGE that we heard Mose came with; Worship a Single God Who is Supreme and capable of all things and never associate anything with HIM. You see how Muhammad is similar to Moses?


Now go back, Davidylan to give us the probably age range of Mary , still a virgin when the Angel of God appeared to her? Whats the name of that Angel? When did she conceive after the incidence?

@Noetic2 and Davidylan: If anyone will trust you to stand on his/her behalf, after entrusting with so much secret, the weapons to do a good job, such a person need to know that you will fail to do any decent job. Reason is simply this; all your entries about this thread have produced zero information. You hear me fellas? You have said nothing at all.

All you have been doingis to criticise oyb and his christian source! Please present a tangibe source of your own. And if you dont have any from where you may seek one, whereever that may be, come back and learn some lessons. You must eat this humble pie, while its still hot, guys.

Noetic, what were you thinking when you started this thread? You wanted oyb to spoon fee you with his information which you have only retort by saying :what a slowpoke, etc". The usual saving face statement9s) from you. Now go to work and get us some information that will let us know if you know how Mary was what she was?

Give us her age when she got pregnant. Thats so important before anything. I dont intend to overload you with more or at least equally important details about her. Remember until the Angel appeared to her, nothing was special about her than just being a normal girl, who probably was devoted (okay dedicated) to the service of God. This God couldn't have been her son, I shuld hope so.

@$Osisi: Subhannallah. Your medical field in showing up in you this evening. Wow! The religious side have to sit on the side until you com back, first as a feminist defending womanhood. Then religion, again?

Funny. Oga must be on a journey for you to be hanging out, uncuddling, at this time. Doctor, Doctor. Biko. Go sleep. I am turning in soon. I need plenty of rest. Am still a baby.

@$Osisi: Thanks alot. Everything is okay. Am on a journey for the summer. Maybe through August. Whathas happened to Hotfunmi? I hope she is well.

« #3 on: July 10, 2009, 06:53 PM »  
Quote from: muhsin on July 10, 2009, 01:08 PM
Are the prophets all sent by God?

The biblical prophets are clearly defined . . . they have nothing to do with islam.

The Bible did not exist when Adam, Enoch, Noah, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Jaqub, Yusuf, etc were on earth. Unless you can proof with clarity, otherwise your statement is an empty assumption. Sometimes I hear you guys call Noah, Ibrahim, etc Jews, I will wager your yearly salary with you, if I can not from your Bible pundits and the Bible prove you wrong. You will have to know that no mention of the word Jew or Israel in their lifetimes; Adam, Enoch, Noah, Ibrahim, to name just a few.

Quote from: muhsin on July 10, 2009, 01:08 PM
Jesus, on whom be peace, says:
"Do you think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the Teachings of the Prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make the teachings come true." (Mathew, 5:17)

The above verse tells us that the Message of these prophets is the same.

This is rubbish:

How is that rubbish? Is there a prophet who said that no one should worship One God and he that prophet is not the messenger and or prophet of that God?

1. The quran says the bible is corrupt, so on what basis are you using that same bible to make an islamic point?

Coruption does not mean that at least a verse or few more are still pointing to the Presence of God and the messengers and/or the prophets of that God! Thats what Abuzola is using. I see you go toOT of Moses to proof Jesus, even though you do not believe that the same OT is now worth than the single line "Loe your God, and your naighbor!" You think the Jews are happy with you?

2. Exactly what "message" did the prophets bring? [b[The biblical prophets ALL came SPECIFICALLY to the jews.[/b] It wasnt until Christ's death and resurrection that salvation became open to the gentiles. So whatever message the prophets brought was certainly NOT similar to that of mohammad who wasnt even a jew in the first place

In all your argument, you failed to provide the "message or messages" the so called Biblical prophets brought to the "Jews." Could you at least tell us what is that message or messages? And when did the Jews as a people came to existence? Was it before their great grandfather Jacob or what? Is it possible that grand pa in Ijebu Ode, be called Davidylan?If not thats what yu have just proposed when you say that Jacob is a Jew. Jew or Judaism or Jewish is borne out of the descendants of Judah, a son out of 12 of jacobs'.

@Davidylan: If I have to go by your #2 and #3 below, I will have to agree with Abuzola. And my reason is below.

2. Notice the hypocrisy in these slaves of satan . . . they set up threads purportedly to "ask questions" . . . answer it in detail and they tell you you're not worth responding to or they disappear alltogether.

3. Read thru my entire response to your piffle earlier on, where are the "insults" you claim? You say i didnt "intelligently" answer your questions . . . now that is laughable because your own questions were not even intelligent at all. I mean making up stories, twisting the bible and speaking from both sides of the mouth is not equivalent to intelligence.

Your saying that muslims are slaves of satan shows that you have made up stories, lying is what that is. You have accused Abuzola something that you have just practiced, here yourself. Tell me, David, do you curse your master to his face? Rather do you have a master you are a slave to and you curse him many times a day, seeking protection of somethng else against him and asking that it never receive mercy? Thats what the muslims on a daily basis, many times a day call Allah to do to Shaitan! Tell me how you seek protection against your greatest enemy satan?

Here is what the Muslims say: Audu bilalhi minal Shaitani rajim! (I seek protect of Allah against Shaitan the one who is acursed and never to receive mercy).

The ball is in your court. And by the way, if you do not perform that Sunset light effect on the look of water body, I will be mailing the pictures to you.

I think $Osisi is so desperate to crusade that she is throwing all kinds of thing on the wall; muds, dungs, gum, lego dough, Pizza dough, sticks and stones, etc to see if any will stick! Unfortunately the person you are trying to destroy is long gone (AS). But is legacy is waxing stronger by the day. Even here in the United States that you have adopted as your new home.

Right there in Texas that you live. Before long, maybe in your lifetime, but definitely, lastest in the lifetime of your grandchildren, there will be masajid almost in every hamlet and village, town and city in this United States. While you are struggling in frutile desperation, the Igbo people are coming into Islam. I think there is an Igbo language "What it means" Quran, or soon it will be available in local CMS in Aba.

Those who have done more than what you are attempting now are no where today! their names and heritage has been long forgotten. Some of them had the means to derail Islam in its infancy, but it was them who were derailed by Allah. Quit getting worked up on lies so much. It is unbecoming and actually shameful. A person who has shame will not resort to naked lies just to win an unwinnable argument!

I epeat and you need to be resolved on that: No Muslim on Nairaland will convert. No way, no how, no convertion. The more you write, the more the whole world will have a chance to see the truth of the matter; Lying shows desperation. While you have your choice of putting up your view for consideration, desperation should not be tactics you employ. Dont be a desperate woman.

I am entitled to my opinion, too. Swallow it. I know its a bitter medivcine. You are a doctor, so dont throw up. Or shock on it.