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@Noetic: « #79 on: Today at 09:15:17 PM »  

where EXACTLY in the koran did they add "in my generation"?

I know that you cant get it. But wait, if it is not in "your generation" why would you abandone Moses prophetic success and period and follow Jesus, as you claim? Afterall, even Jesus warned you not to abandone the propheta and books and law of those prophets before him! But did he tell his generation not to follw hi, or not? Your answer here will give you the answer to the 'in my generation' that you asked me. By the way, when did the prophetic period of Moe end for the sake of argument and that of Jesus began? Do you then think that Jesus prophetic period will not end when he promised that another Comforter will come to tell you all things?

Your inquiry shoul start with who was the former Comforter, so that the another Comforter will make sense to you?

where was adam's mosque? why does non of the prophets have a book in allah's koran? why did allah change his mind on anointing oil?

Arafah is a word meaning "we see each other". It stands for the place where Adam and hi wife Hawa met. Arafat is in Makka. Kaaba was a place they built for the worship of Allah. Surah "Ala" ends with the Suhufi Ibrahima wa Musaa. This means the pamphlets given Ibrahim and the one given to Musa. And I had already addressed theoil thing with Davidylan, above.

@$Osisi:

Gbam!
where in the Koran did these "prophets" build altars unto their God

Ibrahim (re)built the Kaaba  with son Ismail! That solves your problem abot altars. While the oters perished what Ibrahim built is there in Makka, een till this very moment!

They had a God they called Jehovah
is Jehovah allah?

They had a God called Chineke, or Chukwu in Igbo language. They had a God called Obanjigi in Hausa language. You still need more proofs?

How about the specifications to building the ark of covenant,.what had allah to say?

Where is the ark of Covenant, today? No where to be found! We see Masjid Haram, specifically Kaaba! This should tell you something! Allah let what He Will be forgotten and preserve what He wills. Allah says that He abrogates a thing and repaces it with an equal thing or a better thing! I gues the Kaaba is standing tall. And while the Bible is being corrupted, the Quran sands guarded.

Did he give the 10 commandments to Moses.

He gave the Commandment o Musa. $Osisi, I thought you this young girl came prepared?

Abraham was called the friend of God,is he also the friend of allah? /quote] Ibrahima Kalillah. This means Ibrahima My personal Friend! When youread the Quran, get back to me!

@Noetic: I will come for you. So relax.

@Daviylan:

infact you nailed the coffin of islam with these very words.

Have you ever wondered why allah's claims and REAL FACTS are poles apart? Why is it hard to find a biblical prophet who was worshipping allah both in documented history?

Isa bin Mariam is a very direct example of such a prophet. Afterall, we read that he prayed by bowing his face to the ground of the garden of geshemane. He prayed, night and very early morning! Dont tell me that you think that he prayed and supplicated and made his petitions without up properly? He did use water after he relieved himself, you know! Read your bible, againfor how he prayed at the garden.

And what were the ishmaelites doing all these while? worshipping idols while allah was busy fussing over the jews? The very people he claims to have turned to apes and pigs?

And indeed when it was time, Allah turned to the Ismailites to finishe what he promised Ibrahim that He will complete on his decendants by using Muhammad (AS) for it. Allah turned people in a fishing village to ape and pigs based on their evilness. Just like Allah turned water to blood in evil Egypt! Allah is consistent. His way is perfect and unchanging. When you understand that, then Ilam will come to you. You will see that after He had given the Children of Israel an inexhautible chances, He turned to the other branch of the tree of the house of Ibrahim AS) to complete Islam!

Why did "allah" make elijah anoint people with oil and suddenly stop later?
why did "allah" let Abraham set up altars in Bethel and stop using it today?

Why does allah have not a single direct revelation to these prophets in his quran?

I use perfume/ sweet smelly oil to ruob my face, my hands, my knees, my feet, and other parts of my body, when am ready to pray. What alter means is not clear to me. You sound like a pagan worshiper. But will Kaaba do, since Ibrahim rebuilt his tructure, after the Noah's flood. Thi tructure is declared the frst structure that is called the HOUSE OF ALLAH!

Where is Bethel, David? Could it have been Bakka? See how similar they sound? Get it in Aramaic of yric, and they will be very close, unlike your english bethel pronounciation!

@Davidylan: Lack of ability to process what is said is a terrible thing. Ibrahim says, I am the first Muslim (In my generation).

Go to Surah Araf (the Height). You will see Musa saying I am the first Mumin (believer; another word for Muslim), to mean in his generation. Afterall, these noble men were prophets, sent to their people.

Can we say based on what Musa said, above in Araf that there were no Muslim, or Muminu before him? Afterall, Ibrahim was long time before him. Ibrahim wa a mumin, a Friend of Allah.

Read things properly.

What could have made Arabs and indeed rise to world advancement occasion, except Islam? What made America rise again? Or Japan? Or China? Or India? Or Israel? Show me a verse in the whole of the Bible that speaks about "ponder" at the creations; humans, earth, trees and other animals, solar systems, galaxies, etc and challenges man to make inquiries.

$Osisi quitely forgot Mulim College Ijebu Ode and others! White the misionaries enslave the Nigerians, they covered that with few secondary school institutions,to shot the people up! Later on, it is the muslim with few Chrsitians that advocated for getting away fro under the yoke of the slave master Christians of England! And it wa a big fight! The rejects of England lording over the masses of Nigeria. From among the Nigerians you have royal bloods, nobilities and good and decent ordinary people, controlled by the Cocney speaking backwater personnels dent by Britain's Crown!

If the Christians were so kind, like any prophet, should they arrive in our society, on our shores and rape our lands, treasures and our language a they did? Omo girl, I dont know how you define kindness, that aint it to me!

Finally, as a Dr., you aught to know what Islam had made the muslims do in the field of Medicine.Check you usual resources again; the Wikipedia! Did Benjamin Franklin engineered electricity because he was researching it based on the Biblical inquiries? Or did Alexander Gramm Bell did his telephone experiment because of his Christianity? How about Thomas Edison, or Isaac Newton, etc? Christianitry played no role except pillages.

Whereas Islam from Quran through challenge at humans, and the muslim might have answered all, the Christian individuals are part of humanity! Thats that.

@$Osisi: « #56 on: Today at 07:49:25 PM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 07:36:13 PM
@$Osisi: « #43 on: Today at 07:15:27 PM »   Yes. .

Yes, yes and yes! And He is Allah, and not the lower case. If anyone worships the Creator in the directives giving by the prophet (as) whose prophetic time they lived/live in, that is Islam and it is the worship of Allah.

I almost missed that part.
I thought I got my answer
so the Islam practiced by Abraham and Jacob  (by your claim) is different from the Islam of Mohammed since it differs according to dispensation
am I correct?

Incorrect! Read from Surah Mariam what Yahya was given. And read what Isa bin Mariam told people in defense of his mother! I am a prophet of Allah, given book. I am commanded to make prayer, make zakat, fast, etc, and am commanded to be kind to my mother, etc.

@$Osisi: « #46 on: Today at 07:24:50 PM »  

On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done

Give me a single grave of a Christian prophet that Prophet Muhammad (AS) referred to? THis is your assignment!

To help you undertand the above ahadith; the children of Israel ave 12 nations, and n their own, they phaed out 11 and their original name, Children of Israel for the more simple Jew as the new name. All the prophets that came after Jacob, Isarel except Muhammad (A_ came from the 12 branches of his sons. For example Moses and his brother Aaron, were Levite! Yet Jesus was not. Joseph being the first prophet from the Children of Israel, while Jesus was the last of them. Now, if Jesus was not a christian prophet except you call him one. He neither started a religion nor did he advocate for a shear from what he, Zakarayyah and John observed!


If it was a Jewish religion that he practiced, like tht of the present Jews of today, or Christianity like that which you practice today, or a form of Judaism that the defiants were practicing as he was preaching, he would not have told them about a specific path: Hear,Oh Israel, your Lord and my Lord is but One God! His admotion about them not cancelling out the prophets of old and their laws are clear indications that he saw what they were practicing at that time different from what the past prophets practiced. He admonished them to return to the ways of the old prophets, which he himself was on, as well. Finally, he worship by cleansing himself properly and them bowing his face in the garden of geshemane (salah), and cried making petition (dua, dhikr) to his Lord God; Eloi (Allah)!


$Osisi, what are you talking about? Take of the scrub and attend to serioud matter. Commot.

@$Osisi: « #43 on: Today at 07:15:27 PM »  

Is the worship allah the same as Islam?

Yes. In igbo language He is Bhukwu. or Chineke! In yoruba language He is Oluwa, Olorun, Eledumare, etc.

I'm asking these questions so I can comfortably quote you as I go along.
You've benn unable to answer affirmatively that Islam predates Judaism and Christianity but instead you tell me "worship of allah" predates Judaism and Christianity.
Is the worship allah the same as Islam?
In order words does Islam predate Judaism and Christianity?

Yes, yes and yes! And He is Allah, and not the lower case. If anyone worships the Creator in the directives giving by the prophet (as) whose prophetic time they lived/live in, that is Islam and it is the worship of Allah.

@Davidylan: « #3 on: Today at 04:02:04 AM »  

i hear it was Adam . . . anyone know where he hid his mat and kettle?

Thanks (young girl $Osisi; I like the title on you, just like the Prophet (AS) liked it on young girl. lol), for telling davidylan to leave the muslims to answer the question. David, I heard that the disciples and then Paul were the first set of Christians. I wonder if you know where they kept their choir drums and organ, and where they did their singing of hymns? Two can play this came. Lol.

Did you perform the water surface look at sunset? Summer will end soon, you know!  


@$Osisi:

On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done.

Dont worry about your saying bull. You are within your rights. Now show me, anywhere the Prophet says that the prophets of bani Israil are either religious Jews or religious Christians? When he cuesred the Jewsand the Christians, did you see the prophets as parts of those whom he cursed? Why did he honor them at all, then? You must have just performed a heart operation, hence your heart is heavy!

non prophets?

I repeat, no prophet is Jewish or Christian by religion! Thiefof heart, come tell $Osisi what I just said. Maybe woman to woman, she will understand you, since this man is too muvh for her.

And $Osisi, you read my statement, and you could not defend your poition against mine, about Ibrahim, and you are jumping on an immovable truck as your transport? Where is it going to get you; the broken down junk that is? Abeg commot.

@$Osisi:  Re;« #21 on: Today at 05:29:41 PM »  

Let me leave the issue of Adam for a while,we shall return to it.

Yaa Muslimu, leave this "young girl" in the tradition of "young/youth (girl)" of the messenger (AS) to me. She needs a strong hand to manhandle her! I am here to do the job. lol.

1.Please tell the readers if Islam then predates Judaism and Christianity ,with proof please.

Yes. It does predates Judaism, and Christianity. Just like education, in general predates University as an institution of higher learning so does Islam predates both Judaism and Christianity.

2.Please show us evidence(outside of the Koran's claim) that the prophets of old were Muslims

First, we must know that Ibrahim, who came after Noah (AS jamia'a), was not a Jew, tribally or religiously. He couldnt have been, since the term Israelites predates both Judaism and Jew, religiously and ethnic identification. It is clear then that Ibrahim was not an Israelite, since only Israelites are children of Israel, Jacob, who was a grandson of Ibrahim! This is enough to knock Judaism and Christianity out of the box, when it comes to religious identity of father Ibrahim. We also know that Ibrahim ran away from Idolatry society and their worship. He didnt start another of his own, for sure, otherwise he would never have been referred as the father of faith. Finally, we still have not addressed the fact that all the three so called monotheist religions, Islam, Judaism and Christianity always claim to be Ibrahimic faiths. If he was not a jew by ethnicity and by religion and christianity came after Judaism, anyway, then the only one still in the running is Islam, as his religion. We also realise that there was no religion that was termed to be tune of solely worshipping The God prior to any of the three.

3, when the Koran talked of Christians and Jews and their prophets,please tell us the exact prophets the Koran was referring to

Judaism does not have any prophet. Jewish tribes, if you mean, is under the children of Israel, sons of Israel/Jacob. You cant tell me that these prophets had a religion that is different fro what Ibrahim had, otherwise the Ibrahimic relationship of prophethood will fall flat on its face, because the covenant will not hold for his children, even from Isiaqa then! But alas, they do circumcise. At least they have the sign of the covenant, but do they keep the original covenant, all of it? Obvious;y, Chritianit and Christians do not have any prophet. the last of Jewish blood/children of Israel blood prophet, Jesus son of Mary wa already lifted up before christianity was so formed ornamed.

By the way, when I say Jew, it is now assumed that the name of Israel i now jew or all his children are from the tribe of Judah. Both assumption is wrong. But why do the Jews and the Christians accept this? When the muslim use the word Jew/Yahuud, it is in a mocery. But when we honor them we say Bani Israel, the reason the prophets and believers among them were and still referred as bani Israil.

a true polygamist, has no wife!!!, He has plenty of women

~boladonas

You need to tell boladonas that one is taking to task on religion. Now, I will be waiting for your Adam portion of ti discusssion.

ilah means God, or god(s), depending on who is saying it. for Ibrahim, his son Ismail, and Hajah, his wife and mother to his son, they used to say Allah in Arabic, in Makka. there is a story in which father visited his son in Makka. the first visit, the wife of son Ismail complained bitterly to father inlaw Ibrahim, without knowing the relation and what he may advise the husband, is to leave the wife. divorce this woman who can keep your secret from a stranger; change the threshhold at the door, was te simple yet full of meaning advise.

it is permitted for son to marry without the father being present, the reason the wife did not know about Ibrahim. she complained about what they used to eat; meat and bread, and drink is only zam zam water. Ibrahim left a prophetic message for his son about the must divorce this wife. the wife delivered the message and Ismail divorced her.

Ismail married another wife, and Ibrahim visited again when Ismail was not in. Ibrahim askes about their diet and the woman said Alhamdulillah(thank The God), the food that they eat is quite adequate. Ibrahim left a prophetic message with the wife, in this case for the husband to keep her and never divorce her. note that during the lifetime of Ibrahim, though the Kaaba was built by him and with the help of son Ismail, there was not a single idol (god) in its vicinity or in it. unless you wanna say that Ibrahim left one idolatry society and start another one for himself, with son Ismail being the leader of Makkan version of this new idolatry, then, Ibrahim, son, etc, as distinct generations worshipped in the Kaaba located in Makka, practicing their own basic form of Islam that was revealed to them in their official prophetic roles. that islam must have ended when idolatry became the official religion of the people, from islam of no idol in Kaaba to 360 idols of idolatry, until Muhammad(AS) became a prophet, raised in Makka.


the Kaaba idol free structue must have a name of The God, Allah attached to it, while worshipping, since it is believed as the first house built for the sole purpose of worshipping the one true Lord, The God. we also must know that the yemeni tribe which later settled in this land along with Ismail, from which he married twice, at least, in my above statement, used to speak a form of dialect or language that was later adopted by the whole of Makka! that language is Arabic, which is another semetic language, similar to Syric, Hebrew, etc. Afterall, we know that an accented form of Allah was spoken by Isa bin Mariam, calling The God, Eloi! look at the similarity; Allah and Eloi.

look at the similarity, Isa, to yeshua/yesa.

look at the similarity Mariam, to Maria/Mariama.

now, it is not impossible for Ibrahim to speak Arab as he must have had plenty of contact with the arabs business people, all over the trading routes, with their presence in his founded city, Makka/Bakka, being headed by his son, Ismail. i only provided two visits to disproof the notion that he, Ibrahim just threw Ismail and his mother out on their seats, and never look back, according to the biblical narrative. he did not listen to Sarah either, nor did Sarah asked for the sending away of only son and younger co-wife. if she had, she would have been called by the muslims to be an evil woman, wife and later mother. and no muslim woman would have been named after her. afterall, no muslim is named after cain, the killer. so an oppressor is just as bad as a killer, if not worse!

now, back to my analysis; idolatry was going on in all cultures of the world, then and still continues by islamic definition, even tody. so the idolators of arabs before they began to bring their idols to KAaba in Makka, the new central and uniting place for all in the area, they called their idols their gods, and not The God, knowing fully well that there is still The God that they cannot see, The Creator, etc. so they used the idol as the middle entity, in their dealing with Him, the same way that the christians use Jesus for. so it is ilah that is used for gods, the ilah of fertility, is different from the ilah of war, and that is different from that of journey, and so on. but these people, as i have said, again know that their Creator does exist and they cant see Him. so they dont know how to make Him. He was simply called Allah; The God, with a capital, instead of lower case 'g!'.


Every society has her idol worshippers, and when pressed, they know The God exists, and it is not their ifa, or ogun, or shango, or orisha! these are some of yoruba idols, which are quite different from Eledumare/Oluwa/Olorun/Eleda (The God).

tell him what, Tudor? this cyber irage? thats nothing. all of us know that an abuja guy and a lagos guy cant really mean there verbal treats. they say that it is free speech, spoken freely.

tudor o wa ni seychelles, mo wa ni ibi to jino sie. bawo ni aruwo mi she le ron e, ti o ba je wipe o nbowo fun mi? so guys, lets not blow gaskets over a face that you may never see. if i meet the dude ided as tudur, am ertain that his family didnt name him tudor. so while i want to speak to tudor, it olushola that will be sitting in the living room on vacation, from seychelles! calm down fo me, guys.

@Sleek29: If Jesus was the (word) of God, then it means that God cant be audible without Jesus? When Jesus died, according to you, God of the Bible Word must have died, too. Did the Angels hear His command as long as His word remained dead? Were there any activities of Commands during the time His word died?

Finally, was God capable of Independent action without Jesus, and be successful at it? Was Jesus capable of of Independent action without God and be successful at it? Between the two who worshipped or cry out, begging the other? Or neither did? Or both did to the other?

@lysaa: If it is too deep for human mind why give it to humans? How did you get, since you are obviously a human? How can you eplain the mystery ehind it? Is there any logic at all, since the Bible says God is not the Author of Confusion? Normally, uman being should behave humanly. Why would God behave humanly, instead of Godly?

Noetic, $Osisi, etc, apart from your shouting here on Nairaland about Christianity, have you done any good, because Christianity as your datum for it? Let me give you example: Did you go to the University to study whatever you studied because you are a Christian, or to benefit christianity or you did that just because you wanted to show what Christian can accomplish? Yes, no?

You guys are so fake that it is sickening to imagine how you function, as honest people! I will not trust any of my valuables with any of you, based on your process of argument!

And you $Osisi; you forgot the mny crusades, inquisitions, the conquistaors, the polgroms, oh the world wars and all the major wars up till now! Muslims are the proseutors of all of them! I dont wanna make fun of you now, until after Salatul magrib. See am even nice enough to warn her ahead of time.

@Nezan: The prayer, that so much confound you, Surah Fatihah indicates that Allah commands, like every Surah in the Quran to humans, His people, to make prayers by it (Salah). To rememeber Allah by it (dhkir) and to get blessing by its reading (Qari). Allah does not pray to Himself. When the human believer, His acknowledged slaves, His people praise Him by the Praises in the Quran, He praises Himself by other Names that He has, and are not preveleged to human! Like the meaning of Alif, is not known by any, except He, so there are names of His that are known by us on this earth!

Your thinking is a straw man process. You are sinking and you know it. You gave your life to a person who didnt ask for it and could not protect you, anyhow, because according to you, he was killed by ordinary people. That shows that he could not protect his own life. Why trust him with yours, then?

@Davidylan:

Isnt that funny? Many in Iran yell "death to America" but the US embassy is the most trafficked destination for foreign embassies their.

There is no american embassy in Iran! Swiss goernment represents america in Iran! Subhanallah. What a deceit!

Iraqis accuse the West of destroying their country but all want visas to the US and Europe.

Sould they not leave for Bomb Shelter?

Israel is regarded as the number 1 enemy of muslims but muslim refugees from sudan would risk being shot in Egypt to cross into Israel . . . infact when palestinians in Israel voted in a referendum whether to leave Israel to be a part of palestine . . . they overwhelming voted to remain in "apartheid" Israel.

And from the Sudanese refugees, the Yahuuds make plenty of sex slave person!

You are in the west and not leaving BECAUSE the West is by far BETTER than your arab hellholes!

Am in the west because I grew up in the west. My life after here, InshaAllah is in Nigeria. Mainly among my people, the yorubas for the most part! Abi be ko? Am a yoruba boy! You want me, you come to Yorubaland.

And my call is always monitored, anyway. I have no need to fret!

Since no one ever did anything because of Christianity, I wonder what is the essence of the question? And by the way, Bill Gates, does not believe in God and he is Jewish! Where is the need for claiming the Atheist for Christianity, except swelling up the ranks? BIll Gates does not believe in the existence of Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi/Eohim. How then you are attaching him to son god, ghost god and father god?

If I have ever sen a "young girl" who is full of personal obsession with Islam, it has to be $Osisi! She needs to wear Abaya to calm down. You'll see.

And at Noetic, I did not see a university started up by the people of the books, prior to the university of the people who followed the unlettered prophet!

@Noetic: From your website; this is what I got from the piece. I hope you can read.

[b]If the definition of a university is assumed to mean an institution of higher education and research which issues academic degrees at all levels (bachelor, master and doctorate) like in the modern sense of the word, then the medieval Madrasahs known as Jami'ah ("university" in Arabic) founded in the 9th century would be the first examples of such an institution.[3][4]


The University of Al Karaouine in Fez, Morocco is thus recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records as the oldest degree-granting university in the world with its founding in 859 by Fatima al-Fihri.[5] Also in the 9th century, Bimaristan medical schools were founded in the medieval Islamic world, where medical degrees and diplomas were issued to students of Islamic medicine who were qualified to be a practicing Doctor of Medicine.[4][6]


Al-Azhar University, founded in Cairo, Egypt in 975, was a Jami'ah university which offered a variety of post-graduate degrees (Ijazah),[4] and had individual faculties[7] for a theological seminary, Islamic law and jurisprudence, Arabic grammar, Islamic astronomy, early Islamic philosophy, and logic in Islamic philosophy.[4][/b]

Neotic, I will call you some day and hear you recite couples of Bile Chapters, "off-hand!" Oniro. Oje marina, fesegungo, koma sheje! lol. Dont get me started. You know nothing about nothing.

If there is a hypocrite on this NL, you will be the first, hands down! You never have came up with anything tangible, except; whats this, etc and have the gul (lol) to ask questions afterwards! You are so funny and full of yourself, all at the same time. You don't get it that I have stated that University education is from Islam and the west brought it to Nigeria. By orignality, as the originator of the idea which was implemented, it is Islam that brought it!

Omode nshe e. You should know the evil of Awolowo before you can dispute with me. Am an Ijebu man and if you are, except you are from Ikene, you have no right over the foolish Awolowo than me! But then the truth have to be told. Awolowo took credit for all that was good, without acknowledging where the idea came from!

Nobody should need anything from Nezan for anything! Nezan blindly has proven the statement of the Quran. First the Bible does not contain the word Trinity and in the old testament and in the new, too, the idea of God being One and not three persons or personality is very clear. For one, Jesus cried out "My God, my God, !", instead of My father, my father.

In the time of Muhammad (AS) there was a group that says Christian God is three, hence trinity. He, Nezan had stated a name of a group which he dubbed heretic. The statement of Nezan therefore fly in his own face, since the Christians in general, orthodoxy or not believe in the Bible and the Bible post Jesus postulates that God is Three!

Now if we go back to the Time of the Prophet, where Nezan says there is a Maryiamites, Quran is vindicated. If we turn to the present time, we see the Catholics, which s more orthodox that the heretic Protestants worship or at least Pray to Mary as Mother of God to do this or help in doing that, like talk to God, etc for acceptance of Petitions! Jesus serves the same role as Mary seves with him, when it comes to the Father. Afterall, we hear the Christians say to Father, "in the name of Jesus, !" I wonder if Nezan saying that when "Ruuh" Spirit was mentioned in the verse he had quoted from the Quran describing the Knower of the nature of Ruuh as Allah, means "the Christian ghost/spirit, the 3rd of their Godship?" I am a muslim and I understand Islam more than you, until you become a muslim, then we are equal or you may be better because Allah give you abundant of knowledge.


What the Quran is saying about "Ruuh" there is the spirit of man. It is the spirit that is the "Soul" when a person is alive! But when the person dies, and the soul is removed, in that nature/stage of not being in the body of a person so that the body is alive, the soul is now spirit, "Ruuh" because it has no human housing or shelter!

But also Malaikas are called Ruuh, Spirit, too. At least we see Jibril was called Ruuh, Ruuh Qudus, and many other names. Check it out.


Finally, howver you slice it, Mary is called Hyphenated God, her son is called some other hyphenated God, then Gods the ghost spirit and of course Father God! In all no Christians know the nature of the ghost/spirit God! Or nezan, abi i dey lie? Correct me and give the full nature of ghost/spirit then, with full name, if you think am incorrect! Am pulling your leg, but ready to drag you like ragdoll on the street like the little people of Nigeria do during Easter, with "Judas Iscariot; the sinner and the thief and the killer of Jesus!"

I like the last stament in the Farewell address; Take what you hear to those who are not here today, and pass it on, in generation to generation. Maybe the last generation will have a greater meaning and understand of it more than you do today.

Then we now have technologies to aid in many things. My definition of ahadith is still what I said it is; Saying of prophet Muhammad (AS) and what was said in front of him that he did not object to.

@Abuzola: AS Salaamualeykum wa Rahmatullah. May Allah not test us like any prophet (AS), Amin. Musa (AS) was told to speak softly to Fir'awn, because maybe he may accept guidance. Even though Allah knew the end of Fir'awn, He was willing to makeopportunity for him. And at the same time teached Musa perceverance. Afterall, Musa had to perform many miracles, and final lead the people for many yearsafterwards, including the periods before and after th golden cow!

Muhammad (as) was told by Allah to be patient with his followers, otherwise they will go away from him.Yet he was not impatient, except it was to emphasis the importance of patience. Then Allah says about Muhammad to the belivers;you have an excellent examples in this messenger.

Whats the meaning of all these? Really, they point to the same thing; you need to respond in measured pace.There were many times I have written maybe a hardball sentence, or response, except that I cancelld it out, in my eye, not good for print. I rpresent Islam.And Islam represent all that is good in me. So I try to do my part to fit Islam, as much as I can. If a muslim makes a mistake, it is charged to Islam, right away. It smears every muslim. If a muslim does an exceptional thing they say he/she is not the norm.


If other make mistakes, it on the individual. And when he/she does any good, they will say its because of their religion(s). So you see we have to bite our tongues. Muslims are going through the Makkan period all over again. Madina period is just a little better, and we have have a Kalifah before we even approach it. So you see, carrying a banner of Islam mean patience, forebearing, perceverance.

Let me repeat it; by percentage, almost all muslims, if they make salah must be able to recite 2 chapters of the Quran. One is Surah Fatihah, and the other could be any of the smaller ones. Do you have such an ability in knowledge for the purpose of worship in Christendom? Think about it.

And Awolowo and his leutenants knew about this. For sure they did not get it from Christendom? Just like in Enland, not all English man is educated, and you even believe they invented education, it will not be a surprise to see muslim Nigerian not to be educated by your standard. Illiteracy, my friend do not mean when you cant write, read or speak English. It is the backward thoughts of people like you that will make it impossible for africans to conduct their education in their language. Chinese do.And so are many others, including Russia which is still giving USA a run for their money. So is France, Germany, etc. Their education is in theirown languages!

Now that this is established, do you have a chapter that you can recite off head, like the incantations of the Babalawos, in Christendom? How about the "Lord's prayer", which started with "our father" instead of "Our Lord?" Finally, since you are wasting my time; O sharoo Monday. go on google and ask about oldest University on earth! You will never find it listed in Europe and definitely not newborn baby America! Pele.

What did Christianity ever brought mankind? Give me one project that was worth while to honor or in the name of Christianity. Not what the Christians did, but what anyone did to benefit or to credit christianity. Look we know Crusade was prodecuted by the Crusaders to benefit Christianity. We know that the Spanish Inquisition was done for the same reason. Many other thngs and specific eevents like that. The above are evil things. Now tell me any good in the same vein that we can without trying to comb through and arrive at a maybe answer, or we have to "interprete" as the usual methodology that you guys always go to "in context", one single good is what I want!

Through Islam, because the Quran says Iqrah; to Muhammad (AS), it is proclaim/recite because he was to remain illiterate so that his genius in truth could be discussed, for ever. If he had been such a matriculated person, we will not be talking about it, now. I remember Davidylan had to resort to a gimmick whereby he spoke the truth that "Allah" had to be what God is in the Arabic Christian Bible, because, they just had to respond to the Quran! Yet that woman, $Osisi turned around that "Waraqah" already wrote the Bible in Arabic! Now which of the two of you is not able to tell the truth? I think it is that woman (in the tradition of Bill "sleek Willie" Clinton) is the one!

Now, to the rest of the Muslims, "Iqrah" means read/study/recite. This forces people to investigate and learn. So you see in Nigeria a village woman, say 80 years old muslim is able to at least read the Quran in Arabic, or recites few chapters from memory so that she can make her daily salah. But that is not the case with another woman of equal age, in the same village who is a non muslim. She knows nothing about nothing! Go to Igboland, or the the yorubaland to see what am talking about.

I had pointed out that Awolowo must have copied his Universal Education Scheme for the Western Region from e Muslims, and surprisingly, it was Michael Adekunle Ajasin who came up with that idea, an Owo man, who saw how the muslims will study their Quran, as masses of people unlike the not studying Christians who depended on the Pastors and Clergies to tell them how it was possible for 3 to be 1, and how you should make human God, and how you should give your life away to a person who never asked you for it, or how Trinity became so important that it does not have to be written anywhere in the Bible.

Islamic societ designed the early University Institutions and Education Ideas. Two of those Universities are still in existence toay, in Morocco and Egypt! The way Lectures are conducted mimick Islamic way of impacting/studying the Quran, Ahadith, etc! The Tassles and the cap, the Gowns, all of them are modelled after Al Ahzah of Cairo. Researches into sciences and medicine, all of them the Muslims started it with their reading the challenge to do so in the pages of the Quran!

Now what has the Bible, indeed Christianity had brought to my 9ja and indeed the world, except Crusades, Inquisitions, Conquistadors, etc?

Guys, am waiting to read from you the about the wonderful Christinaity to the world! Even Judaism brought nothing!

2. They possess strong hatred for the west. : Wrong. I am a good muslim, yet I grow up in the west. Many more in the west and not leavng.
3. Kill innocent people in the name of allah : Wrong. Innocence is not a reason to kill in Islam. Another Red Herring.
4. Sees nothing wrong in disflowering a 9year old girl.: If she is a puberty age gir
6. Always thinks the world will be better of if we are all muslims.: I only pity the ignorance of the non Muslims about the calamity that will come.
7. Always thretning any opposing views with death.: I havent done that? Or have I?

@Neotic: The old people in the villages learnt Quran when the Oyinbos had not brought their education to the universal Nigerian land. Awolowo's free education in the west is modelled, probably after the Abe igi orombos Madrasa in Yoruba land.

Tell me a single thing that Christianity brought to Nigeria, except rin ihoho kolobo?

What question? What good Islam brought to Nigeria and indeed the rest of the world?

Definitely, not Crusade, unjust forgiveness, or prostitution. Read from your favorite info source WIKIPEDIA what Arabs became because of Islam. No one became anything because of Cristianity. You, David, did not become ascientist because of Christianity. Your yoruba heritage has something to do with it. The yorubas say Ee fara weleshin. Immitate the owner of the horse, instead of the stable boy!

Tepa mo she. Eni ba foko shishe aa foko jeun. And many other saying. Tell me one thing that Christianity made anyone do? There is no scientific discovery based on Christianity, or a scientist that says by effort I went into it because of what I found in the Bible.

@Davidylan:

south Korea would have been north korea but for American intervention. Japan is what it is today thanks to America . . . so pls keep quiet.

Topic: what good did islam bring to Nigeria or indeed the world. My opinion, based on what the OP person said in his initial entry; he alluded to christianity doing something which I said is falsehood. Proof from my side; If Christianity is responsible for the success of America, lets forget the muslims and jews in this land, America is not successful because of Christianity! Just because Christian people are successful, they did not do so, with the intention of their Christendom! What is the need of the separation of churc and state then? Why is it JUDEO- christian, and it is not CHRISTIAN, only?

Did america go to any land and act according to the Bible, only or according to the Wallet primarily? I know america, too. Now tell me; what good did America bring tojapan and or Korea based on Christianity alone? And I will tell you the economic/ pocket book issues!

Iro oti fo iwo omode yi nifun! lol. You fight for Jesus knows no limit, even if you have to use dirty tricks. Aiye lo bami. Ayini ke ni kon lo mo, oo mo ayini pada!

@Mariborn:

LadyT, the people that killed Jesus in his advent were the men of God of those days. Do you think that the same thing will not happen in his second coming? It will and this one will be on a bigger scale. Ask God to reveal the scriptures to you. The bible school does not have the mandate from God. They can only teach incomplete truth

And two deaths your god will suffer will b at the hands of ordinary men. This is weird for human to be able to kill god, twice! One time is one too many and here you are talking about the second time. God must be using you. Seriously!

@Ahonohai: Today, in america, at least the pastors, many of them own here churches. It is possible and it is now a big business!

@Davidylan: he doesn't love the Bble. He knows enough about it for contemporanious reasons. At least he is making you concern, even though I would have prefered to let you be. Obviously he reads the Quran, to be able to raise the Issue of Musa in Quran! Read it again.

Aburo, bawo? I miss you and dont your hatred of my religion show your love for me!