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My face do not fit night club. I am not a dan daudu or whatever. I know men in my age range and even in their 60s still doing the "buggie all night!"

Just imagine the ratio of non muslims versus muslim in night clubs every friday night, or saturday night! What a difference.

@Noetic: Like what?

@Tudor: « #2 on: Yesterday at 06:35:44 AM »

Why dont you go check out the heart of good and faithful servants of allah like osama bin laden.

Can you imagine how ruthless he would have been if he were not a muslim? I wo omo tudor yi kon ma nsoro shaa nti e ni!

nezan; courtesy is not in your style. so please dont claim it for yourself.

@Davidylan: « #2 on: Today at 03:11:23 AM »

you mean like fighting innocent pple, robbing pilgrims, pillaging villages for spoil, slaves and women?
You mean mohammad's sexual strength for 30 women, taking his son's wife?

Which innocent people, he fought? Which pilgrim and what pilgrimage they were on when he robbed them? What village of innocent people he pillaged and took them, slave and free, men and women, and thir properties as spoils? If it happened, was that not such a mark difference, since there is preservation of lives here, than what prophet Moses, et al did in the old testaments; torah and subur, where even the animals were killed? Where was the business sense in that, considering that you, David have repeatedly raved about the children of Israel, what benefit was there to kill even animals?

I would have thought that they should know that it made business sense to keep the flocks, and the crops of the defeated people. The Israelites became smart while they changed their names to Jews? Then know that the glory of the followers of Muhammad (AS) are still robust even for the future. We know not to kill the animals. We know that it is wise to keep the women. We know it is wise to keep the slaves. Finally will you deny that you do not like the sexual strenght, yours to be higher than average? Why do the women always say that they want a Mandigo? Think about that. Even women know it is prudent for the husband to have that better than average sexual strenght! Come on, David, the lying heart!

Is adopted son, the same as blood son? It is your desire that make you call your adopted son, truly a son belonging to a different father, your son! Allah changed that lie by the action of first the divorce and then the marriage that followed! You are not my son, so I can marry your ex-wife. Just dont divorce her. I know it is not permisible for you to divoce, even if you are miserable in the marriage!

Sorry i'm not interested in such gain.

Its your loss, man. But you will not mind going to night clubs and music-factories, in the basements of high rise buildings in downtown Rochester! Stop it, man.

@JeSoul: My college roommate Rev. David Kayode is one of the Pastors, if its the Baptist Church in Times Square you are talking about. His wife is a woman I know since they started their relationship way back them.

Now if your idea of plagiarization is to stick on Quran, then you have to show me Surah Waqiah in the Bible. Or show me Ruth, Ester, Acts of Apostles, Epistles and Revelations in the Quran. You have to show me songs of David, too.

Let me return to Quran; Show me Surah Taha, Hud, Kahf, Ya Sin, Rahman, Muhammad, Qamar, Quyamma, Fajr, Takathur, Kafiruun, Dhuha, Qadr, Balad, Talaq, Mulk, Ala, Qalaq, Abasa, etc. Show me the last three Chapters? When you look through Quran, it has nothing about the Bible, except counter points. It is a powerful thing that you made such an accusation. But where is the basis for it?

Your parents will write an accurate book about your early life. Your sister's friend acquittance will write a less accurate book, becaus he heard your sister friend said that he/she jotted down some points from your parents book, when your sister was reading it to her over the phone. Your sister express how much you were loved, but she did not read the whole book to her friend, who noted the essence of what your sister read.


The friend acquittance then took this points and ran with it, creating a book that she dubbed your life history.

Who is correct between your parents book and your sister's friend acquittance book?

The Quran is similar to what is from your parents. The Bible is what is similar to your sister's friend acquittance book. The Quran is from Alah the Speaker. The Bible, is part God, part angels, part prophets, part followers of prophets, part followers or generation that followed the followers of prophets. Paul happened to be the example I chose to show the followers of the follower of the prophets!

Nobody can see soul I meant to say. To tell us if you have seen one single soul.

@%Osisi: Nobody see SOUL. Tell me what does soul look like, $Osisi? If you cant tell me, then comot, and let somebody enter. Lol. Ewooo. Should I post this or not? You tell me.

@JeSoul: « #5 on: Today at 02:29:17 PM »

lol. If it were in literature today and 2 people laid claim over a particular text, its the person with the verified earlier copy that will win the case. I guess christians have grounds to sue mohammed for plagiarism.

Even if the ealier Text is devoid of good and detailed information compared to the later text? I just asked a Christian friend associate a very simple scenerio about two historians; one wrote a book about the History of Jamaica, 60 years earlier than the other. The newer History book was written by a Brazilian in brazilian portuguese. This brazilian never travelled to jamaica, but boy, his book was more detailed and right on the money so much so that the people who took the earlier book are now accusing him of plagiarisation. But they failed to see that that he also wrote about Matinique, Trinidad and Tobago, Guayana and indeed Brazil, his country. But the earlier book only wrote about Jamaica and the information he provided on Jamaican personalities was sketchy at best compared to this Brazilian Portuguese masterpiece. The timing and the dates and details are mark difference, except that where they spoke about personalities, they share. And I asked him, if we could say that the later writer copied from the former writer? His answer was simply, no. He is an engineer. We educated and good thinker.  

And I did not tell him that the older book was the Bible; Torah, Sabur, and Injil plus what the others wrote from Acts all the way to epistles and revelations. And I did not tell him the newer Book is simly the Quran. Think about it, JeSoul. I know you have a good mind. But old tradition passed on, generation to generation dies very slowly. Just imagine you find in Philadelphia now. You know the Germantown section is now a vibrant muslim community. All of them not because of marriage to some foreign muslims. Islam has arrived in America. No one can hide it again.

Barackallah Hussaine Obama is the occupier of the Whiet House. I know he is not a muslim. But Islamic name is forever registered on the Log of American Presidency.

@JeSoul: Let say for te sake of argument that you are an Igbo woman. Forget everything else for now, regardless of your true ethnic identity. If a man wrote a book about the origin of the igbos. And the dates and the events of the founding "fahers" so to speak were badly presented, barring te names, etc. If a later generation writer came along and wrote a more comprehensive textbook about the origins of the Igbo peoples and all the two books have in commons were the names of he main characters for the most part, but details and event dates are somethings that separate them. Can we then after critical literal analysis of these two books claim that just because the one that was earlier written was copied extensively by the more precison and scholarly superior younger book?

Even if they were written in different languages, and styles and the younger book author never had gone to the Igbo land and his book was not specific to igbo people and igbo character's alone? Could anyone not marvel at the complete contrast, and divergence of these books, speifically the accuracy of details which are verifiable in the new book, should mark it as a better grade than the old empty of substance older book? No? You are a literalist, you should know better. You are a scientist, tell me where the Bible says that the Body of Pharaoh will be preserved as a sign to later generations about the end of evil doers? I a Quranic verse that says this and it has been proven that salt was found in the lungs of a particular Pharaoh. tell me how salt gets to lungs except by drwoning in salty water; Sea, in this case Red Sea?


While the Christians argue that the Pharaoh did not die in the sea along with his army, some Christians today are say that he died. Yet Muhammad (AS) whom you claim to have plagiarized the Bible, sad over 1400 years ago that he died. Now why are the Christians just catchingu to his claim? Can we truly say he plagiarized? Absolutely not?

Ans the periodic table is now more tan 107 elements, which was the satndard in my days. Can we now say that the new Periodic table containing 112 element plagiarized the 107 periodic table? No. We can say that the one with 112 is comprehensive and alot accurate.  It is the current hallmark of what is accepted as periodic table. If the name was not accurate, the one with 112 would change it. If any element in 107 is wrong the 112 would change it and give the correct name.

Nezan, you are supposed to address the John verse that says that God is greater than Jesus, first, from the mouth of Jesus, before you jump like forest fire o another part of John! Unless you can say that the first verse from jesus was abrogated by the new verse. One will ask, why eave it there since it is no go anymore. Unless you are now copying the Quran as to abrogations?

@debosky:

Mystery it remains - if you don't like it, go jump off a cliff.

Muslims are not allowed to kill themselves.

@Nezan: « #22 on: Today at 04:21:28

You can never doubt the truthfulness of God's son who never committed sin while on earth. Mo on the other hand, committed so many atrocities in the name of religion which imply the God who each represented was not the same. Too many sad stories from mo: Satanic verses, Peodophile, Polygamist, Murderer, Banditry, e.t.c. compared to Jesus's meek and holy personality. Mind you, he did not know that the meat was poisoned until somebody died while Jesus predicted his own death

Why would Biblical God need a son? He couldnt, without anymore animal blood forgive, and needed instead a human blood, by killing a son? Is this in the manner of Passover on the killing of the sons of Egyptians so that the Israelites were saved, all over again? In this case Jesus is like the sons of the the Egyptians and the rest of Christendom the new Israelites? Boy, oh boy!

Will killing of fruitless Fig tree because its not the season not really a sin against nature and God the Creator of tha nature? It is true that Yahweh and Jehovah and Aba are different from Allah. Surprisingly, Jesus according to the Bible cried out "Eloi" and we did not hear or read that he said, Yahweh, Jehovah or Aba! Who is lying here; you or whom, since Jesus stuck with Eloi/Allah at the end? And will a meek man ask some people to sell their few clothing, their entire belongings to buy swords? I dont think so. Why would they need swords, today's Shealth bombers?

Its okay, that Muhammad (AS) did not know that the meat was poisoned if it makes youhappy. No wonder you refused to go to the thread where it is stated clearly that it spoke to him! If Jesus predicted his own death, why was he dragged to it? Why was he begging that he did not want to die? Why man? Why was the sudden outburst of Why has thou forsaken me?

If Jesus knew everything, he should have known about the time of the hour. Don't you think so? Prediction is the minor battle, it is the acceptance that is the real test. Muhammad (AS) did not complain. From your Bible, it was a diffrenent case. Even Isaac (I say Ismail) did not complain when he was laid down for slaughter! Little boy did not get angry. And grown man who you caled son of God, get angry and frightened?

@Noetic: « #2 on: Yesterday at 10:34:10 PM »

this thread does not address the origin of the islamic allah. . .does it?

From all indication, will it be safe to say that at a particular time, a once upon a time there was no structure known as the kaaba in Makka? If this is so, then we have to say that at that time, there was no idol in/on this structure, because it simply was not a structure then. The place/site was empty.

Later, according to Ismaila story, we that his mother and little infant Ismail (AS) was deposited in Makka. A result of their faithfulness, whereby Allah changed their certain death from thirst to survival and a bouyant and vibrant place, is what brought about Zam Zam water! Neither you nor anyone can deny this fact. The water is still there, till this very moment! Later, it was reported that Ibrahim and Ismail (AS Jamia), the father and son combo built this structure, the first time, from after the flood of Noah (AS). We see, as a proof of Ibrahim's presence in Makka a place called the Station of Ibrahim, next to the wall of the Kaaba.

With these two matters now established, the kaaba and Ibrahim, etc, except anyone with certain proof that Ibrahim was an idol worshipper after this time, we have to accept the fact that when Ibrahim completed the Buiding known as kaaba there was no idol placed in or around it! What was Ibrahim calling God the Creator to his son Ismail and Ismail's mother Hajah? If Arabic was not spoken at that time, but was spoken in Yemen, where people used to travel and pass this structure and drink from the Zam Zam water, they must have a word for The God Creator of all things. Every society does. Yoruba people say Eleda, Eledumare, Oluwa, Olorun, etc.

Unless anyone has some information that I dont have, the Yemeni Arabs used to call The God, Allah. Now that we establish this condition, I summit that when the Yemeni Arabs adopted Judaism, they called Yahweh in Arabic, Allah still. When they adopted Christianity in the arab societies, and indeed, Yemen, the indigenous people called the same Creator Allah. But Eloi sounds like Allah. At least to me. Try pronouncing both with your eyes closed and just listen to the sounds. You will know that they are very similar and sound the same.

When the idols were introduced, little by little until, it became a structure that housed 360 idols, none of them is called Allah. When Islam of Muhammad (AS) began and finally conquered Makka, it will behoves a sincere soul to even suggest that there was an idol in there that was named Allah, since all of te idols, all the 360 of them were smashed into pieces. No idol was spared. Everyone of them met its destruction right there.

Could Allah the idol have been smashed, if the muslims worship it? In other words, if there was an idol named Allah, it behoves me that the muslims who you claim worship it would not have saved it, as you have saved the cross that your human god was nailed to! What I have attempted here is that the word Allah, as the God was well in use by the Arabs, before Ibrahim, before the Children of Israel, before Judaism, before christianity, before Islam of Muhammad, and after te defeat of Makka. Nothing changed as in the use of Allah. No idol bore the name even among the 360 idols! If this does not help you then your case is with Allah and I am free of your deeds. And you are free of mine. The burden shall be bore by the bearer of burden, you of yours, me of mine.

They say favorite verses. To some, people like me, the whole of Quran is my favorite verses. Its 6600+! Its hard for me to decide, the only reason I dont go there! If I go there since you thats your playing ground I will post the verse of Murky look of the water at Sunset. Each time I think about you, I look at the atlantic ocean that I am seeing right now from the window.


Further Barka Jumu'a is a greeting. People can give the essence of the Qutbah of that Jumu'a. I can tell you that Islam has a wealth of information. It is the religion, indeed the Quran that really the whole world will not be able to contain the books written to expalin each verse. Its impossible.No one even know what Alif means.

i have no ability to define any truth than what is true. we all know what truth is. it agrees with good souls, good hearts and good minds. am it is not my intention to create anything other than what is already created. and i have no right to confine anybody to truth or lies. i only struggle for own soul right now. and it is an uphill battle. thats my jihad. do what you want noetic. everyone can do what they want. afterall it is a free world. even if it leads to chaos.

maa binu simi o. omo oba.

@Noetic: « #13 on: Today at 11:01:13 PM »

when u stop harassing people based on their right to freely express themselves, u will be perfectly ignored.

since u are the chief jihadist and master e-terrorist, it is pertinent that u are constantly referred to as a bad example that should not be prevalent in a free society, administered by the freedom of speech and expression.

please dont attach any form of importance to urself, u are an embarrassment (I am assuming that u are a young lady).
how exactly do u feel eroding the freedom of speech of others?


pathetic later day fuhrer.

Should the freedom have no boundries, including not telling the true? If there is no boundry, people who do evil will have no limit to the amount of evil that they should do! There is no way to call them out. Nothing is absolute except what is God, alone. Knowledge is limited, except the KNOWLEDGE OF ALLAH. This is the only reason Jesus did not know when the end of time will be as he was asked, a proof against any idea that he was not a human messenger!

@Noetic: « #6 on: Today at 09:33:36 PM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 09:31:09 PM
we are all true servants of Allah. You Noetic is just a rebellious servant. But you have your whole life ahead of you to make amends. Afterall, the prodigal son wa welcomed back with the biggest feast the father ever made.


I am not a servant at all, how then can I be a rebellious servant?. . . I am the son of the Living and Most high God, through Christ Jesus.

u are a slave and servant of allah, but ur deeds here do not fully reflect what he wants. . . u need to emulate mukina and abuzola. . . they are the true servants of allah. . . . .

Is your Last/Surname "Living and most high God through Jesus Christ?" Is he a yoruba man? I beg commot. Deny all you want. Denial is good for those who do not know! Soon enough, when Calamity or death reaches them they know that There is Only One God. Look at what Pharaoh said when he was dying by affixiation/drowning; I now believe in the One God that the Children of Israel serve!

Leave me with Allah. I depend on Him. It is His Mercy and Forgiveness that I want. I am very confident, InshaAllah, I will get them. He is Generous, Gracious, Merciful and Forgiving.


Now guys, Abuzola, am sure you do not mean that you hate, truly your sister Mukina from your heart. Dislike maybe. But definitely not hate. I ask Allah for forgiveness of all our sins. We are truly slaves and servants and creations of Allah. Unlike Noetic who is none of these!

Noetic, am hoping that you can see fault n your thought process. If ou are not created, where did not come from.

To all, including me; Lets calm down and try to be civil. Cordiality is important here. We can only catch flies with honey. Vinegar, maybe a few, at best.

@Kola Oloye: « #33 on: Today at 03:35:35 PM »

@olabowale
Let me make something clear here: Jesus is the Son of the Most High God.He is not of this world.
Though He lived as a human being in order to discharge His duty responsibly and effectively.
He was in Israel at that time because Mary that carried her for 9 months happened to be an Israelite.

The word "OUR" there was simply talking about been 'human' not been an 'Israelite'.

Kola, without fighting, do you have supporting evidence from Jesus himself about all of these? If there is a single evidence against any of what you said, then your hypothesis is defeated! You have to be right, all the time to have 100% all the time. If Jesus says he is son of man and neither of his lineage point to God Almighty as a father in the chain, I will assume that you have spoken against that part of the Bible, indeed Jesus!
And how can he not be of this world, when it was the very same world that raised his mother, his grand parents, him, drinking from the water and milk of this world, eating the meat and the grains and fruits and vegetables of this world, being clothed by this world, etc? It was the balm of this world that healed his wounds. What are you talking about, since everyone will have to return to 'home' where the Kingdoms; Paradise or Hell fire await the doers of good who will receive mercy in paradise, and the doers of evil who will get the just due justice in hellfire?

And from your very Bible, Kola we see that he did not end all because he said another Comforter is coming to give all the things he did not tell the underdeveloped minds, etc who couldnt handle the issue that were going to be discharged by the "another Comforter". What you will have to tell me is who is the former Comforter which mirrors the another Comforter? Also you will have to convince me that 50 days later in the "day of the penticost" those underdeveloped minds in the time of Jesus, suddenly became developed and actually ready to absorb everything. Further, you will ahve to tell me what did they learn which Jesus did not tell them, while he was with them? And finally, I want you to read that matter of the Comforter and another Comforter, again: Tell yourself, if the issue was with the present people some 2000 years ago, what benefits is it to you now?What was it that he told them then that you lack now? If it is holy ghost that was another Comforter, what ghost was the former Comforter and when did that former Comforter existed and with which people?

Where would Jesus could have came from, f not from the lineage of Abraham? The only other choice is from Ismaila bloodline, which finally produced Muhammad.


Mo ngbo o. By the way I received your emails. Thanks.

May Allah reward you abundantly, Frizy! Surah Waqiah is beautiful and good for the soul after Isha and after Salah Subh, with a lot of Zhikr. The heart is soft like that of the shepard, not hard like that of the cowboy.

we are all true servants of Allah. You Noetic is just a rebellious servant. But you have your whole life ahead of you to make amends. Afterall, the prodigal son wa welcomed back with the biggest feast the father ever made.

@Nezan: No. What you have discussing was his intention to open what he opened here. If the threads were people; what you are still attending to was the baby shower. This one now is the full grown man who is successful and taking on the world in full throttle up!

@Abuzola: It was you that I greeted first before I informed Nezan what I informed him, above. May Allah Jala wahallah reward you greatly. About Ibn Abbass, it was his style of the nafil of the sunnah prayers of Salatul Subh that I adopt; 2 times 2 Rakah with Sural Kafiruun in the first rakah and Ikhlas in the second.

Please permit me to copy for my record what you have written. May Allah count your effort as magfirah for you in this life and the life that will come after it. Your parents are fortunate people.

@Kola Oloye: What does the "OUR" means? Is Jesus not part of Israel? What about his mother?

Tabliq Jama'a is in similarity to Ansar ur deen, or any islamic groupings. Its originally from the Indian subcontinent. They go about especially on weekends, door to door talking to their muslims neighbors, encuraging them and in a nutshell an avenue of moral supports that affects the conscience. They often donate their weekends or other times to go to different places, away from their homes and enviroments, for the same purpose.

They listen to talks and do what is called jaula which is the going about in the neighborhood. They do Kuruj which is the extensive travel.

The women covering is not commanded on tabliq people alone. It is commanded on all muslim, believeing women. Those who are at the age of sexuality.

@Tudor: O de rora. Omo ti won bi ni ile rere ki rin irin oru. Caution yourself on words to speak out there to the public. You may disagree with issues, please bite your tongue.

@Kola Oloye: Should we now assume that whereever the words; even Jesus do appear, Jesus is the speaker or be accreditted the statement, because he  was not the spaker below, or was he in the acts?

244. Acts 9:17
     And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said,
     Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest,
     hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
     Acts 9:16-18 (in Context) Acts 9 (Whole Chapter)

Now what will will you tell us in Context, about Mark 12 verse 29? Will you change its straight forward read to mean something obscure, just because you are reading it in Context? And you will not say that other people can do the same to mean what is obscure, each of the verses you gleefully listed? What is "in context", anyway, when you can read something so direct in plain england that its meaning screams at you? Why do you have to have a contextual meaning to a straight forward statement like "Kola Oloye is a man", so that you arrive at something completely saying that he may be a male but not yet a man and all sort of distortions of who really Kola Oloye knows of himself?

Until you can get from Jesus or his disciples, and I am not counting Paul in here, then we will read the Biblical verses as is. At least Quran verses have surrounding circumstances, for the individual verse revelation. The ahadith is based from the personality of Muhammad (AS). This is the singular reason you see the ahadith been classified as weak to strong. Do you have anything like that from Jesus and his lifetime followers?

@Noetic: Top of the afternoon to you. I am trying to please myself. You do sound like broken record. Dinnit?

@Nezan: « #18 on: Today at 11:25:54 AM »

@Olabowale,
In the first instance, you were saying that they should give you evidence that Mo died from the poison a woman gave her. I provided that right from your hadiths, then you changed gear claiming it as a miracle. But as Tudor pointed out, we all know the effect of poison can be gradual, as was in Mo's case because the hadiths mentioned that since he took that poison, he was not the same till he died from effects of the poison-a prophet who failed to realise he was poisoined

Consider what Jesus did to the Jews That crucified him? he forgave them and prayed for them

What did Mo do? he ordered for the woman to be killed

So much for a religion of peace

About the poison, you failed to pay attention to the boastfulness of the Jewel statement: "rid you from the people". Considering that they, the Jews boasted of killing Jesus and many before him, it is not unusual to expect that kind of cockyness. But here is what Muhammad (AS) said; it cuts off my aota. I asked you to tell me if any one can live for a full day with cut off aota, without any ventillator or medical attention?

Muhammad (AS) did not need a medical attention of any sort and he survived for 3 years till 63! Is a 63 year olf man too young to die? Think about it, for even our own generation? There is an ahadith that says that the muslims for the most part will die between 60 and 70 years old. Minor population will die before 60 and minor population will die above 70! Muhammad was an exemplification of Islam. So he died between 60 and 70! Is that too hard for you to accept? I did not say that the poison played no role. I simply said no one can accept it to be the only reason for his death. He had fever, he had headache, and I wonder if everyone who get food poison hadve headache, or all the persons who have headache are suffering from food poison?

And when you talk about Jesus, please dont forget that he did not forgive Judas Iscariot who he made to betray him! He did not for give the Romans who adjudged him. He did not show mercy to the suffering thief who was on the left side of him on the cross. He Jesus cursed the Jes first and them blessed them by forgiving them? Which one overrides the other; his earlier curses which he called them adulterous generations, vipers, etc, or the mercy you said he showed later? Make up your mind man.

Muhammad (AS) was justified to kill an evil soul. If an evil soul is not cut off from the land, people will think that it is normal to do evil! Further, did Moses killed evil souls? Did Jesus killed a tree he considered to be evil? If a tree was killed by Jesus, do you think an evil person does not deserve to be made weathered away to nothingness? Didnt Jesus let some pigs perish? The same animals you love to eat so much? Nezan, my man, think about it. Its either Jesus is not what you said he is or its you who is not following Jesus as you should, because both of you are like two passing ships in the dead of the night! Neither recognized each other.

The one who is married to whom could be considered as his daughter is Adam.
The one who is married to his sister is Abraham
The one who is married to whom you considered to be 6 years old is Muhammad.

Now tell me, should Adam have been castrated whereby you will never have been born. If Abraham had been castrated Isaac would never have been born. Your lord Jesus would never have came, at least not through Mary. Now you see how ignorance is a very terrible thing?

@Noetic: Let me ask you, which is one is worse, a man who slept with his own blood; daughter, sister, or the man who slept with a supposed six year old? Each man is married to his spouse?

Wll you thigh your wife or will you go into her when she is in her monthly period, all the same? Adult conversation. $Osisi, will be an expert in this type of dialogue. I bet she will enlighten us.