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Amujale ,
With due regard to your view, hence, I will only post account of world's scholars book to point to some people who lived in Egypt in antiquity without ancient Hebrew's information. Although, if you have question on such, then the thread for it exist already.




Cheers.

Amujale:
Firstly, you misconstrued the point I was alluding, there was no intent to relate the Kemetic term for ‘ time’ and or ‘eternity’ with that of the Yoruba lingua.

The point was that ‘Akhat’ doesn’t mean ‘time’ in the Kemtic language, ‘neheh’(nnh) does.

Secondly, it’s as clear as day that you aren’t familiar with hieroglyphics.

Furthermore, anyone who’s conversant on the Kemetic/Kush dialect would know that ‘time’ and ‘eternity’ are deemed in a concept of dualism. They can’t mention one without mentioning the other.

Now look at the images below and tell us their meaning.

It’s ok if you don’t know, just say so rather than attempting veer off on a tangent.

If indeed you can read Hieroglyphs then kudos to you though I have seen the Nun(Hebrew's alphabet for N), . Although, the Hebrew alphabets have some similar letters but different while others veer away from it. To you, I can't read it ? Smile. Hieroglyphs as you see them have been broken down by world's scholars so,I don't need to trouble myself on the Egyptians ancient inscription.

It is with sincerity that you should be able to show the interpretation of existence of Yoruba words with this knowledge of yours as I have been doing on a language classified as ’Isolate' in linguistic world's view. Do you even know what my position or world's scholars state on classic Hebrew ?

Futhermore, you have not affirmed to the fact, that Yoruba have hieroglyphs or pictographs of visual human heads with horn in West Africa to support your postulations as did by Kemt ; Ethiopians Nubians, in Egypt. Besides,you didn't explain the purpose of how the alteration of words in Kemt happened,which survived in Yoruba land, with hieroglyphs found in Yoruba lands so that you can can prove that Kemt account didn't mentioned Akhat was a word that serves as Calendar period in Lower Egypt as World's scholars did. Kindly get informed by doing research on it before egocentrism which is null and void before me.

Secondly, in as much as I have done a little here,then show with evidence tha Yoruba have hieroglyphs instead, obelisks,which have Near East replicas. And If you're indeed sure of your information, then show through modern Roman-Latin version of Arabic letters, to support your postulation.

Lastly, below screenshot is ons of the oldest inscription of ancient Hebrew,so stop misinformation that is based on assumptions.

Cheers

Amujale:
You aren't serious, when did the 1913 dictionary start to exist, why, and for whom?

Dude, stop this nonsense already. Go and re-educate yourself regarding the Yoruba language.

I won’t be replying you on these simple facts that you seem unable to understand.

Assuming you insist on these kind of ignorance then create a new thread on Yoruba Grammar and then tag me, and then we’ll take it from there.

I’m certain that many people will be obliged to provide the necessary correction as deemed appropriate.

As for this thread, let’s concentrate our focus on the connection between Yoruba and the Nile Valley.

Lol. So, you're have isheju as classic word in Yoruba's lexicon ?Well, no dialects in Yoruba's lands have such because,it is new word. Yoruba use movement of the sunlight to predict time. Thus, you're not correct on dictionaries translation into English language, since, the oldest dictionary was written 1843-44 wbich wad documented by Ajayi's crowther's account where he blundered in traditional ritual words interpretation in Yoruba language. The second was written which didn't see the light of the day and the third is which I had mentioned to you. So you are funny!

On a serious note, I don't need to turn this thread into another Hebrew cum Yoruba saga.So , concentrate on Yorubas ancestors footprint in Egypt,which all of us are aware of, because Olumide Lucas had made that research to exist in his co-written book on Yoruba people as well as Dierk Lange information on such,to mention afew.


Cheers

Amujale:
What are you disagreeing over, is it how you actually misconstrued what was being said, or the urge to simply continue a baseless argument.

Btw, Iseju is a generic Yoruba term, whilst Wakat isn’t.

One doesn’t need to hold a Ph.D in Yoruba and linguistics to be able to identify such fact, although that would definitely help.

In order words, what is the point of your argument?

Since you refuse to understand a simple fact, then there isn’t much for us to discuss.

The points that you disagree with are the subject of academia.

These aren’t mere opinions but indisputable facts.

Iseju is a new or modern word adopted into Yoruba lexicon; otun oro (created or new word in Yoruba lexicon . Plainly, as relevant as the word in modem times of this 21st. Century, this word does not exist in 1913 dictionary of Yoruba language. So, don't be joke

Theefore, it is an opinion amongst people who recreate word or newer words in modern time because it iz a koine word. Ishe eyin oju is used to correspond with English's pattern of Gregorian calendar and clock . Tnis word in Yoruba language was absent in the medieval time.Therefore, it is derived from description of rapid eyes blinking or facial's eyes blinking , so don't make it look as if you're right because you're wrong.

Wakati is time or hour in Yoruba language and this is cognate with Arabic and Coptic Egyptians.This word is recognised as Yoruba language and not written even as borrowed from Arabic's lexicon. Word loaned from Arabic are noted in this dictionary as well. If you want the screenshot, I shall oblige.

Are you even aware that tse , -s- or z etc sound exist in Yoruba language? Kindly note it that Oyo dialect is not as old as the Eastern Yorubas. Thus,, it is not about Yoruba language continuum but the classic Yoruba language is the purpose of this thread of yours.



Cheers.

Oga at the top! ,there is no standard Yoruba language or dialects.Aparo kan o ga ju ikan lo afi to ba gun ebe. Plainly, all dialects spoken are standard in Yoruba language. Perhaps, all you need emphasise is that, the type of Yoruba language being taught in schools,,which is koine.

[quote author=Amujale post=92797240][/quote]Those words you highlighted are actually the Classic Hebrew cognates and closely related to Arabic, Ugaritic,Ethiopic. This assertion indeed support the view that Aramaic was being adopted by Egyptians around 419BC.

Secondly, kindly read the era of Pharaoh Apries,who succeeded Psammechusis,in 589BC and the rebellious Upper Egypt at the later yeatse of reign because Pharaoh Apries allies were foreigners such as the Jews, or Arameans and others who fought as mercenaries for him. He was however defeated by Amusu in the upper Egypt after the later had been crowned as Pharaoh because he( Apries, favoured the foreign troops against his own people.

Perhaps, Yoruba military might as mercenaries in places like,Asante, Dahomey or Bini Kingdom etc will be reechoed in your heart. Interestingly, Aresa was once a king Yoruba's world view once panegyric is rendered to an ancestors with faceless lineage,in such a way to show respect for great king who did wonders in war times, or as great ruler in the antiquity.

Pharaos Ap-ries fought many wars and won many beyond Egypt land and further into the Levant land; Mesopotamia.

Amujale:
The above quote doesn’t apply to linguistic comparison as is what is known in grammatical construct as ‘Ede Ayalo’.

I hope that clears that up.

The Yoruba language predates Arabic in years that would amount in their hundreds and thousands.

As I have no intention to turn the discussion here into that of the perusal into the Arabic language; I will simply say this:

The Arabic language didn’t exist during the period of the Nile civilisation.

Furthermore, the Arabic language is said to be a derivative of the Chadic language system that was invented by African scribes; one which was eventually highjacked by olden days Arabian fundamentalists during their manufacturing of Islam.

The term Wakat isn’t Yoruba, ‘Iseju’ is; as in the speed of a blinking lid.

My advice is for you to actually read into the accurate comparison as described in my previous response.

Furthermore, you seem to find it hard to distinguish between the Ancient Egyptian language with that of the current stock that which aren’t original to the region.

The current stock of Egyptians originate from what can only be described in modern terms as an Arabic speaking stock.

Here, the discussion is regarding the language of the original communities that existed there prior to foreign distruption. i.e The Nubian communities (the original North African people).

These people migrated from various parts of the continent; East, Central, South and West; predominantly West African people that formed the train of delegations that would eventually found Kemit.

According to the Sassure theory, that which the evidence you seem to have overlooked:



The term that resonates in Kemit pertaining to Akhat is infact “Akhenaten” also spelt Akhenaton also known as Amenhotep IV.

There’s no Kemit term Akhat that translates to the measurement of time.

For the record, the two pictographic symbols used for the commonly translated “time” and “eternity” are neheh (nhh) and djet (dt), respectively.

Sorry to disagree with you because is not a grammatical csl construct,since Iseju has an English interpretation,which is ‘blinking' or seconds in Yoruba language.This word is a koine word and extremely modern. So, don't see it adopted from Arabic or Egypt's because Yoruba Ifaodu has a lot of Arabic input or appropriately Semitic input, which Elias in in 1894, described the divination board and in later years , others such as , Rene Trautman,Bernard Maupoil,J.C Hebert scrutinise the relative relationship between Raml and Ramila-oramiela;Orumiela of Yoruba's.

Therefore, both are divination system and the origin of Yoruba's Ifaodu is in the void and not yet traceable to any mankind as Ifad(ephod) found amongst the Hebrew as well is not yet found .Though Ifad(ephod)exist but the interpreter of the Torah have difficulty in understanding the actual earlier meaning until further proofs, which prompted the belief that Ifad(ephod) is oracular more than a garment as speculated in some quarters

Secondly,you're the one that's guilty of assumption through your perception of using Akheten and Akhat which is false cognate.Perhaps, if you can be an Egyptologist ,then you will realise that the language of the Coptic Egyptians was only spoken by the Yorubas as Court language and when these people deserted that land, the language itself siezed to exist, until it arrived in West Africa.

Futhermore,let me emphasise here that I am extremely careful about ‘Yorubanisng' the Hebrew words that I have come across, unless I find the root words as true cognates across board. Besides, I can read the classic Hebrew's ideograms and their thoughts toward the language. So, it is beyond this platform.

Thirdly, Arabic language existed at per with Ethiopic language, Hebrews's, Ugaritic's Akkadians.So, don't make such mistake. In fact, Cuneiform was heavily discovered in Or; Mesopotamia ,which was of Sumerian origin. These Sumerians have been studied and recognised in the scholarly world as the pioneer writers on cuneiform before Egypt's. I hope you wouldn't claim, ‘biasness' towards Egypt ;Kemt because the Sumerians were not Oyinbos but blackhead people, naked in nature, who shave their heads to serve their king and his groups who were strangers,and also seen as demigods, due to herbology knowledge and civilization beyond the summerians knowledge.

And may be, I will share an excerpt from a Yoruba writer who recorded the account of Ooni and how he is seen as demigod by the shaved slaves in ancient IleIfe or antiquity, to reechoed the similarities between these demigods and the slaves; conquered people.

Lastly, the pictographs you posit for eternity in Egypt's antiquity ought be well described because, your information of description is amazingly not with weight. While the Yoruba's eternity is not strange to me.I hope you will post the screenshots...



Cheers.

Amujale,

It is pertinent to assert here that when attempt through genetic links failed to prove presence of people in a community in the antiquity, either due to extinction or migration to other places,then one seek linguistic connection to identify places of such people's footprint.

Therefore, i advise you to find archeological evidence to support your claim on this thread and hopefully in real life and not a mumbo jumbo rhetoric. Further more, Yoruba language has cognates with words found among, Kemt and Arabic and Hebrews. My take on both Kemt and Arabic's words are just two example for now ,as follows:

1.Egypt: Akhat
Meaning: calendar, period , time

Yoruba: wakati
Meaning: time, period

Arabic: waqt
Meaning: time, season

2. Egypt: Liad
Meaning: chamber

Yoruba: Iledi
Meaning: chamber

ABULARdotCOM:
This thread is very educative! I say, well done to all.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy14BdLm5JQ

https://medium.com/@Omokri/the-link-between-the-modern-yoruba-and-ancient-egyptians-b9d277c126c8

The reason I think some of the words in Obenga's work are strange to us is, because the Yoruba we speak today was not the same our ancestors spoke (there are lot of corruption). Same way various Yoruba clans speak Yoruba that have some differences.

cc Olu317

I don't have problem with your assertion because, language is always continuum in nature or evolving,which Yoruba language isn't different. Although Yoruba language has been sustained over 10,000 thousands years ,which support the fact that new words are always recreated as synonymous for things, places, animals, people, etc which has not been in existence in such language, or as you have seen in Yoruba language.

Furthermore, words are recreated for things, places, people, animals in any language due non existence of such to fit into such environmental factor, which solemnly is due to contact with other newer groups in a community. So, such environment, group A and group B having reasons to living together either due to war or greener pasture purpose, would naturally affect both languages, which eventually will lead to dual languages spoken in such community that becomes switched interchangeably as both known as intimate and general languages.

Therefore the emigrants language, aboriginal's and the recreated words becomes fused in such environment, especially if the emigrants language is dominant or vice versa and alters the aboriginal or the new comers spoken language.

Amujale,kindly provide more information to buttress the identity of Yoruba Nation did existed in Egypt.

TAO11:
(1) Listen up again, Olodo + Liar: Doctrinaire = Dogmatic.

Learn English, and be at least smart enough to stop the
irony of presenting the very things that refute you as your evidence. You are a renowned joke.

(2) ”chained Palace as King’s house” ?? Where? How? What does this even mean? And why do you think lying this blatantly will help you in any way??

(3) Going forward, you really have to convince me that I have to exchange words with a deluded fellow like you.

(4) But for now, you haven’t earned my time at all, given all the gibberish and outright lies you’ve heaped up above.

(5) Have a good day Mr Hebrew/Arab.

Like I had mentioned, you're the unsettled one because, your heart kept beating due to your ignorance. So I will stop because here because, there is no purpose engaging you any more or your superiors.

So, suddenly, your poor English knowledge has made you not to be vast in ,Yoruba's information anymore, which us due to typography error ? Anyway , your ignorance is grandeur because you are not conversant with the truth. Although,I desire to see you propound your information on Yoruba people as West Africa

morpheus24:
1. No where do I say the so having European DNA in you makes you a non Israel in reference to those who occupy the Jewish state of Israel.

2. What are these factors beyond my understanding?



I have no idea what you just said above. Who are Yoruba different to in this other deep analysis?

PS construct your thoughts more cohesively, they come off disjointed.

1. Okay I now understood your information on it

2. Factors such bas that you highlighted as having dark skin but of Asian features. This view isn't constant with mutations in human beings,according to research on written works,which support the fact that continuous humanoid development had been timeless.

TAO11:
You appear to be the Yoruba version of gregyboy. In other words, the very things which demolishes your point is what you always present as evidence. Ironic, isn’t it?

Your screenshot here (from Isaac Adeniji Ogunbiyi) made it clear that the effort to link Yoruba words to Arabic is simply an attempt, and by doctrinaire Islam scholars.

Do you even know what the English word doctrinaire means? You obviously don’t, because if you do, you certainly wouldn’t be making a mess of yourself like this.

Doctrinaire means: “seeking to impose a doctrine in all circumstances without regard to practical considerations.”

In other words, according to the same professor (whom you seek to misrepresent); the attempt to link Yoruba words to Arabic is pseudo-historical, it is done by religious dogmatist, and it is against reality.

What else will refute you more than this same attachment??

Stop bothering me with your bullshit. I hope I am clear enough.

Macof, please come and carry your illiterate and unteachable Hebrew/Arab wannabe.

Who is the illiterate if not unlettered you who chained Palace as King's house ? Show such as written by Professor Ogunbiyi where he mentioned such as Islamic ‘dogmatist ?

I thought you are honest wth your view but it is obvious, you like twisting words to suit yourself . This view of yours is same as in the same Professor Biobaku who claimed possiible Near East origin of Yorubas in 1952 but rejected such in years due to lack of evidence.

As simple as ABC,you're blind and can't see beyond your immediate horizon because everything is strange before you. Seriously , you need acquire more Semitic knowledge,which you claimed you have orientation on but seens not true because you see no connection with Yoruba's language with Semitic ideograms. Kindly know Yoruba aren't slave to Arabic's language or root words from time immemorial because the languages are linked historically tbrouygh chronological connection . Mocking at your ignorance. Even Metaphysical or Absolutesuccess who have Arabic knowledge know that Arabic is read from right hand to left.


Note:
Abeg.I stop responding to this false view of yours which is baseless with non relevant information scholarly in the world to show relevant view. Yet you claimed Yorubas have foundation in West Africa and Yoruba has a chronology that's less than 11,000 years, in West Africa, when the world's record is about 300± 000 years as relating to fossil human.

Are you now fooling yourself ?

morpheus24:
Let's educate the people shall we, You don't have to reply to me directly, its inconsequential.

This is not the answer to my question however we will tackle the above one at a time.

1. First and foremost Somali's are not Nilotic peoples. They are Cushitic peoples that speak an Afro-Asiatic language closely related to the Oromo peoples of Ethiopia. T

2. The Bantu's you refer to which are the largest minority group within the Somali family bring the E3b1a male haplogroup into the Somali grouping via the Arab slave trade. This group of Somali bantu's autosomal DNA is however very much Somali in TOTALITY!. What this means if you don't understand is that the male ancestors of these Bantu slaves married some Somali women and therefore produced offspring who are indeed genetically Somali irregardless of the politics within that grouping.

3. Please note this fact. Haplogroup A, B and E3b1b are older mutations than E3b1a. What this implies is that the ancestors of present day copts (ancient egyptians) their neighbours to the south i.e. Nubians(Sandawa, Bejas); Nilotics (Sudanese Nuers,); Cushitics (Somali, Ethiopians, Hausa) were present before the E3b1A allele (West African-Niger congo- Bantu groups.) emerged This means Bantu's are the youngest of all Africans to arrive on the scene. Bantu's are however the most successful of all these groups to populate the continent of Africa which is why they constitute the most prevalent Phenotype.

4. Yoruba, Igbo, Efiks and Ibibio are closely related to each other and do share the common male ancestor who carried the E3b1A mutations, however all West Africans and All Bantu people do not carry this YDNA marker. Many West Africans carry other YDNA variants.

In conclusion, if we backward engineer mutations it shows thatE3b1A is a purely West African mutation which means it is derived and was born in the West, If it was born in the Levant at some time in history and then travelled down to West Africa it would have left its mark pre- any slave trade. This is the reason I keep asking you to give concrete time lines of this movement and if there was one wave or multiple waves.

You will try to circumvent this fact by probably saying that Israelites were charged not to interbreed with other groups, however this would be a false attempt simply because there were 12 tribes of Israel, of the 12, 10 disappeared into the DNA of various groups of people in the Levant such as the Samaritans, East Africa such as the Beta Ethiopians and possibly the Lemba and West Asia. The remaining Kingdom of Judea that was destroyed by the Romans dispersing the remaining peoples across the area as well.





This is the same script by Ben Ami from the US. You are reading corruptions of his teachings.

Genetics is fact. It corroborates movements of people across the world. It is a blood signature that cannot tell lies or fabricate stories. It does not rely on folktale and somber stories of which you continue to pass as face. If Bantu peoples ever emanated from the Levant their marks would be left there centuries later. it would have left its mark on its way to West Africa. It did not. No fossils tested indicate this Haplogroup existed there pre- the slave trade.



The pictures are confusing you I know. Let me shed more light on them so you understand the reason.

These people inhabit the papau nee guinean islands and the Andaman islands off the coast of India. They appear to be Negroid in appearance, however they are genetically disimilar to an African in every way possible. In other words they may look African but they are not. How do you explain this phenomena.

Let me explain to you, waves of Ancient Human beings migrated out of Africa over thousands of years. Some of these humans already adapted and retained the physical apperances of african people i.e. Dark skin, wooly to kinky hair however their genetics did not remain the same. The mutations continued to change. These groups of people depicted in these pics are actually closely related to the general Asian population you see around them.

They look physically Africoid but are genetically similar to Asians. The point of this is to show that genetics does not necessarily confer physical attributes which is a premise you are using to construct your story. E3b1A equals a specific look of people. This is the reason I asked you what the biological difference is between E3b1A and E3b1B but you avoided that because you did not understand the question and revert back to your circular reasoning by running to scripture to authenticate your sayings.

If you wish to delve deeper in Bantu origins then let me know. What I do know is that Hebrews no longer exist. Their DNA has been absorbed into a combination of modern peoples that exist today much like every other evolutionary biological process.

As for the current inhabitants of Israel who claim ancestry to ancient Hebrews well that could be the truth but they are also European as far as their DNA is concerned and their claim to their Jewishness as an Ethno-religious group is faulty because a vast majority of people across the world who cut across other ethnic groups are able to do so as well including Arabs.

I am.not fan of the current information as opined by you about the present day Hebrew because, having European dna connection do not make them non Isreslis because of f factors beyond your understanding.

Furthermore, contrary to your view, Yoruba and others are seemingly link via dna in way due to intermarriages but are different in other deep analysis. Read books on genetic variations.So, do not over rate such view of yours as 100% right.

donnie:
Thank you for the good question and very polite response.

The origin of the name is Eber, an ancestor of the Israelites and Ishmaelites. So even the name Hebrew in actual fact doesn't only refer to Isrealites but all who descend from Eber. Now those who descend from Eber are called Ibri, Ibriy or Ebri. In some modern Hebrew (Yiddish) it's sometimes rendered Ivriy (v and b are used interchangeably).

W.r.t. letters, most of what our ancestors had learned was lost due to centuries of migration, captivity/slavery and colonialism etc. Even the NSIBIDI writing of the EKOI (an ancient script that is linked to the Mediterranean) is now understood only by members of the Mgbe cult group. Centuries of civilization has been lost. Just like it people who were taken to the United States and enslaved. They have lost all sense of Africanness. Many are beginning to learn the languages again, and with that restoration will begin.

Now even though in my discussions I refer to various Bantu languages which I have learnt, for this particular word (Ibriy or Ebriy), I am referring to the EKOI / Ejagham language. Sometimes its also rendered Igbri ("gb" for emphasis) like you'll have Igbo instead of Ibo.

Many times those who bear these names and even their parents don't know the meaning and they're honest about this. In many of such cases you'll find that the name is actually from the Mediterranean region, maybe the name of a town or place or person even in the Bible or in maps.

I even found some Edo and Igbo names to be the same as many of those in ancient Egypt. It doesn't automatically mean they were Egyptians since historically, Israelites were known to have been in Egypt for Centuries and must have imbibed Egyptian culture the same way we today imbibe western culture.

Besides we know who the ancient egyptians are. They are the Beja and Nilotics who were pushed out and to the Sudan by the white Turks who conquered the region and are currently posing as North Africans, Arabs and Jews.

Like I had mentions,l earlier that any group ,tribes can claim Hebrew ancestry via linguistic connection or otherwise but, there must be certain form of obelisks in Congo or Igbo as you have opined, because these Hebrews didn't accept the hieroglyphs knowledge except Obelisks. So, where did your people got it wrong to miss out in Hebrew's achievement ?

TAO11:
You actually have no single clue about what you’re saying here.

No where does the Professor you mentioned make any statement saying Yorubas are from outside Africa. Also, no where does S. Johnson say Yorubas are from W.Africa. These are just few of the stuffs you’ve gotten all muddled up here.

If you really care to see any such evidence you’re asking me for, then refer to my comments on the same topic on the other thread, or pick up a real history book/peer-reviewed journal article written by historians and linguists.

But please stop asking me to provide you with the very thing (i.e. evidence) that you hate to see. I have found, over time, that you are very unteachable and egoistic.

Academics and historians have considered evidence from archaeology, linguistic, and Yoruba oral accounts in order to establish this simple historical fact that the Yorubas are indigenous to the regions around their present homelands.

And please note that I am not expecting to reply whatever incoherent junk you reply this with. Discussions with you have proven to be fruitless, and full of digressions. May God help you with your search for Yorubas in Hebrew land. Lol.

Kudos to you on this, Amujale.

Just imaging how ignorant you remained perpetually on this information, that's priceless . Certainly, you supported the fact that Yoruba was spoken in Benin Court, Dahomey Kingdom and environment, Togo etc but refused to accept Near East origin of Yoruba ancestors, who married Nubians and others across the planet earth Interestingly,I have shown that Yoruba language was spoken in Egypt as Coptic language,

Who are the linguists who posited that Yoruba language was founded in Niger Benue Confluence? Show us and let's see how tested they have been with such baseless view without genuine evidence which counter Professor Ogunbiyi researched work, that's in the world's shelves? Trust me, all of them will run in different directions.

Lol, so there is no place the professor Ogubiyi mentioned that Yoruba language is derivative of Arabic root words ? Below screenshot posited his research work. So stop being ungrateful to others and I, who posited Near East foundational footprint of Yoruba ancestors because virtually all Yoruba root words are embedded in Semitic (Arabic).

Lastly,stop bullying Oviedos if you have no evidence to showcase Yoruba's footprints in Egypt or Near East because written scholars works between Yorubas and Edos do contest the fact that Edo developed independently before, Oranmiyan. But Edo claims, Bini gave birth to Yorubas,through counter information. Do extra work to buttres your point to showcase Yoruba as owner of the language spoken in Nigeria as well as franca lingua amongst others .

Lastly, I hope the statement of Professor Isaac Ogunbiyi solves this information in a little wsy because, don't care if you salute, Amujale or not. Funnily, I have shown little information that Yorubas ancestors were from Near East, through ideograms of ancient Hebrew origin and Arabic root words(Semitic), which is also Semitic.

Cheers

donnie:
Please stop talking nonsense. Even the word "Hebrew" is from a bantu word (Khabiru/ Habiru). There's a Bantu group of prophets (Gikuyu seers) in Kenya who are called Habiru. They still hold ancient Israelite customs and traditions passed down from generation to generation. They didn't learn it from white man. The word in the Paleo-Hebrew script is actually Ibri or Ebri and we have many bantus bearing that name even in Nigeria.


I can show you Yoruba words that are Hebrew. That's doesn't take away the obvious Hebrewsims of the Bantu.

This truth I am preaching was preached by several Bantu prophets since the 1600s. From Kimpa Vita to Simon Kimbangu to Simon Toko etc. They preached that Jesus and the apostles were black and in fact Congolese. They stood up to the white colonialists preaching with great power, signs and wonders and many were killed for this truth. By this time Ajayi Crowther was busy convincing Yoruba that ESHU is Satan.

See below screenshot of King Leopold's letter to missionaries sent to the KONGO. He acknowledged the people recognized and served one God, NZAMBI and that they knew the commandments. So before you come with Bantu vs Yoruba war, ask your people to REPENT, do away with thier idols and return to the one true Eledumare.

You cannot even begin to compare Yoruba and Bantu sef. Number of Yoruba speakers is estimated between 30-40 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language. Number of Bantu speakers is in the hundreds of millions, ranging at roughly 350 million in the mid-2010s (roughly 30% of the population of Africa, or roughly 5% of the total world population). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_peoples (from your whiteman sources o - you should believe this one)

And who are these so-called world writters? Abeg rest.

Knowledge of Christianity had existed to Africa before 50 AD . Thus, having understanding
and other good morals isn't new to Africa or the rest of the world , in which Congo is not Europe but in Africa . Beside, Africa had a way of life as found elsewhere in the world; from primitive to civilization .

Egypt is likened to the present day United State of America,where all world's ethnic groups assembled to do commerce, having military might,organised system etc,as the face of the world.

With due respect,kindly break down the root of these word ,‘ Ibri ' to show how these letters exist jn your language, since you are sure before assumption. Ibri in Congo can be either true cognate or false cognate. So, any one or group or tribe jn Africa can claim being Hebrew as identity but what's more paramount is proof of such evidence to support such claim as yours or ours.

Amujale:
Yoruba aren’t from Assyria or any place outside of West Africa.

Civilisation moved up the Nile.

This thread is pertaining to genuine history backed up with verifiable sources.

Yoruba are from Yorubaland, Nigeria.

Show evidence

macof:
this unfortunate clown still pained and bitter over my correcting his stupid translation of "atewonro" and "ọlọfin". If you don't want to embarrass yourself, srutinuze yourself or ask a sensible person to do so before going out in public to make stupid claims like "atewonro" means "committed a taboo" or whatever the nonsense you said was again

I'm still waiting for you to show how my translation is wrong

You see this
"And rọ
Simple... Like Òjò n rọ (It's raining /rain is falling)
(it is from Ọ̀run that oduduwa descended) Láti Ọ̀run ni Oodua rọ wá" Which ìs giving you serious chest pains.
That is simple as you rightly said, simple straightforward to illustrate that indeed "rọ" means "to descend"

I'm still waiting for you to debunk a single point I've made.

PS. @Olu317. You don't have to respond to this but the message if very relevant. Maybe you can help each other scrutinize yourselves before making a mess of yourselves

Otu ni to'ro un/on lo ,O ba ii t'eyin eri un/on fo( elders are the ones who cry out as the voice of ancestors, while the king is the only one who trumpets .You seek me, you find me answering you.

Classic Yoruba word for Rain is not Ojo but Eji

Eji ro (raw) : rain falls

Eji si un/on/ ro: rain is still falling/rain is falling

Eji ka ro : rain has fallen

Koine Yoruba language:
Ojo ro: rain falls.

English shouldn't be your problem or mine ooo. Learn my dear and be wiser than your present self.

TAO11:
Thank you for stating these very important points in a very clear and succinct manner.

May you never get lost, feel inferior, or become fake.

Lol . Show evidence and stop self deceit on origin of Yoruba without trace in West Africa. Niger confluence indeed,when Semitic; Arabic root words are found virtually jn all Yoruba language( Pofessor Isaac Adejoju Ogunbiyi) and not historians, whose view followed the opinion of Samuel Johnson!


How can one feel inferior when your ancestors were the ones that brought knowledge of one supreme God without three head or horn head man?

How can I feel inferior when Yoruba ancestors says in their account that, their ancestors were the ancestors of mankind ?

How can we feel inferior when Yoruba ancestors brought unique modelled inscription code(writing) into the world ?

Honestly,it is highly disappointing that both of you didnt see how you goofed without Chronological period of Yoruba existence. Fossil human in West Africa is not at per with China's fossil, not even compare with others in Africa.

In fact, Israel's fossil human is ranked as the third oldest in the world,which show it had been inhabited before your so called West Africa; oldest fossil human outside Morocco and Ethiopia. . Kindly don't mention that, heat affected fossil human in West Africa because Near East, of Yoruba origin is hotter.

Without fear or doubt or favour, that fact is not accepted or true until evidence beyond doubt surface to affirm to what you stand before the world. Prayers will not work in this ooone ooo, if it is meant to spite me, because the information I posit is is accurately true.

Bomb:
I have written ideogram for crown in Hebrew which is same as with Yoruba's

Both of you should counter me,with such word among any ethnic group in Africa with such word!



Lastly, I am a proud Yoruba man

Amujale:
Yoruba aren’t from Assyria or any place outside of West Africa.

Civilisation moved up the Nile.

This thread is pertaining to genuine history backed up with verifiable sources.

Yoruba are from Yorubaland, Nigeria.

1.Show Chronological evidence
from scholars, be it of Africa or European descent

2. Show fossil human evidence to back up your evidence from renowned scholars ,be it Africa descent or European's

3. Show linguistic evidence with such notion , be it Africa descent or European descent.

In abscent of information to suport your view, as opined that Yoruba aren't from Mesopotamia, then restrain your opinion to a theory without validation!

donnie:
If you mean Paleo-Hebrew or Ancient Hebrew, it is spoken nowhere else but in the Bantu languages. Y'all been deceived by those fake Jews. What they speak is YIDDISH... even they will tell you that what they speak is not Ancient Hebrew.

After the creation of the fake state of Israel by the league of nations in 1948, they set up schools and got a man by the name of Eleazar Ben Yahuda to create and teach this new form of "Hebrew" (Yiddish) which is actually just a mixture of German, latin with the Bantu languages. They stole our history, but they couldn't totally steal our language.

White Israel and white Jesus is pure witchcraft upon our people.

Lol. Proof your point with written inscriptions of obelisks,protolanguage, cultural practices, and biblical ancient Hebrew script and not your self beliefs

Secondly, Paleo-Hebrew was a later pattern of the ancient Hebrew worldview and stop condemning Yiddish because the Classic Hebrews were a Race.

Lastly, Bantu is big but not in the league of Yorubas,jn historical perspective. You can google and verify from world writers. Even in ths glory of Egyptians greatness, your language didnt exist, but Ethiopians and Kush ; Nubians appeared in it. So. stop this egocentrism because your history has little or not that contributed to development in Egypt.

FrLukas:
Well, we learn daily.

As per the Orishas.

There are minor Orishas and there is the main one who is called Orisha Nla. Which means the supreme deity.

It was in my study of Hermeticism and mysticism that I realized that Yoruba spirituality fits like a hand in glove.

You see, while Orisha Nla is the supreme Deity, it's quite different from Olodumare.

In some parlance, Orisha Nla would be regarded as equivalent to Mother Nature/The Universe and they'd be right. (In my opinion)

Smaller Orishas are the ones we venerate especially if they've lived a remarkable and magical life on earth before passing on. For example, Jesus the Christ is a powerful Orisha/god.

We too can be considered to be Orishas in potentiality. After all Oba Koso, popularly refered to today as Sango, god of fire, thunder and lightning was the third Alaafin of Oyo.

Of course not all Orishas become embodied in the flesh.

I'd also like to just chip in here that Orisha Nla is quite different and supremely inferior to The ABSOLUTE which I believe the Yorubas call OLODUMARE/ELEDUMARE. The Source and Originator of LIFE.

That's my understanding.

Of course, I'm still a student of esoteric knowledge and mysticism, and my ignorance may be excused should in case a Master or an Adept or even an Initiate is reading my feeble attempts here.

But I see a lot of meeting points between Yoruba spirituality and the first and most ancient of spiritual knowledge of man, Hermeticism, which was given to man by the great ancient Egyptians/Kemetic Teacher of teachers Hermes Himself.

That's one of the reasons I believe Yorubas have their root in Kemet/Ancient Egypt.

But then traces of Hermeticism can be found in all spiritual teachings and religions of the world today.

Well on the O risha/Orisas:

In classic Yoruba concept, all Yorubas are small orisha tnough some are deified because it is assumably based on the a activities of auch as an extraordinary being on earth. How do I mean?All Yoruba tradition on small orishas allows all descendants to do some form of sacrifices for one's late parents or grandparents or ancestors at one time or the other.

Hermetic knowledge:

Yoruba religion is based on Ifaodu, and this religion is not occultic in nature because, it is based on ancient form of atonement to communicate with their God. So, don't be misled by people who want to make the knowledge as a form of occultic. Both modern Christian and Islam are derived in Ifaodu.While Ifaodu is the older version.

For instance, Odu Ogunda specifically identified Ela as Creator of mankind, wisdom of Eledumare, spirit of God etc. In fact, Ela is the same as Iwa, the invisible Almighty God though with different names, purpose at every point in time,which we find across Yoruba in Odu(verses) in Ifaodu chapters.

In Odu Osu, Oba Ala is ..m.m suposed to be the creator but didnt due to drunkness,from the assumable foundation of creation of the world and mankind.This mighty powerful spiritual being is the one whose worshipers must not drink wine; In variably this is a Muslim version of creation.

Orisha Nla:

Though you have a point in this perspective but Mother nature ( ecosystem) being construe by a lot of people is a metaphor in Yoruba tradition and not in Ifaodu religion wbich has to do with worship or recognition of God because this identity is, Ela; creator of everything (Alimighty God) to ancient Yorubas, whom is the one that allows the ecosystem; vegetation and farms produce to be favourable in due season. So, it is not mother nature but God who is seek or prayed unto(venerated) to allow each season to be bountiful. Cosmology in Yoruba tradition is subjugated by the creator; Ela ro Iwa.

Shango:
This identity is not the actual lord of thunder or but b Ora ife (eleshe ina) . Figuratively, it is still an identity of Ela (God) . Although, Sango is seen as a great king in Oyo's history and largely in Yoruba worldview but not venerated by all Yorubas.

Kemet religion:

Tje religion of kemet doesn't exist in Ifaodu. The reason being tbaty none of these people had what is called Ela as creator of mankind and nature (earth). In Kemet, religion the creator is Horus,Ra ; man with horn head or a ram headman. This identity does not exist in Yoruba religion nor in belief.

The Yoruba look up and hold the belief that God dwells in a place farther than the sun. Unlike the Egyptians that created an Image to represent God. In fact, in many culture in tje ancient world,image were carved for the Creator of mankind. Yoruba ancestors didn't developed from Egypt because Ifaodu tradition didnt support it wth poetry, praise, panegyric of Yoruba ancestors. Besides , even at the glory of Egyptian foundational kings, ,which begun with Nubians, none wore kingly cap as Yorubas,except in .Near East . In doubt, google Egyptians crowns and compare with Near East crowns and Yorubas.

Lastly, you're right about tracese of hermetic in world's tradition but ifaodu is a stand alone knowledge of God jn Yoruba concept. Although occult practice do also exist in Yoruba land but we need make a difference.

donnie:
What is the meaning of classic Hebrew? Who are the speakers of the so-called classic Hebrew?

The Classic Hebrew is the language of the people of ancient Israel,which is been reconstructed gradually.

This language has its footprints in Near East and as the foundation place of its origin and spoken in Africa , thousands of years later. This has been authenticated by ideograms, obelisks etc inscriptions which some worth remained different from Egyptians language that's influenced by hieroglyphs, which ancient Hebrew didn't use as a form of inscriptions.

Therefore, if you claim an identity even without y-na correlation due to so many factors that many scientific view has supported different reasons for colour and human evolution, then you should be able to use protolanguage and the morphology angle to validate your claim, that Bantu is ancient Hebrew.

absoluteSuccess:
Do you see how long it's taking that Igbo guy to do his braggadocio? He's nursing the open wound: "conscience is an open wound, only the truth can heal it". Uthman Dan Fodio.

He's yet to find his confidence again. Imagine a man who can tell us I'm interpreting Yoruba word ateworo in my book from "nairaland level of knowledge":

1. He can tell us how grounded Yoruba is in Niger Congo, from low tone, ambiguous etc.

2. He knows the fact of how consonants evolved from proto-language and speak nothing but the fact. But this one beats him.

3. Our guy couldn't figure out how "ro" evolved from Niger Congo linguistic family to validate his claim. So he resorted to Google.

Google redirected to kid Primer...

"And rọ
Simple... Like Òjò n rọ
Láti Ọ̀run ni Oodua rọ wa"

Can you imagine a great teacher who disdain toddler interpretation putting this across as his "simpleton" validation of historical fact?

Consider how short and simple the fact was with the load of junks, and he called others ranter. Oh no, that guy is incredible.

So if Lati orun ni Oodua ro wa, this idea juxtaposed with Elarowa would mean?

Lati Orun ni Ela ro wa... so does this also means Ela came on the same chain as Oduduwa?

Yoruba Primer

Obo oba, obe baba, obe baba ja Saba baba alata, a o ba baba mu Bata a o ba mu.

Ode nfa ofa, o fa, Ofa fo, o fo Ife oba, Ife oba fo, a o ba baba be oba, a o ba be.

As a toddler, I hated the last part, why should I be part of the people to beg the king.

Macof, what's the name of the book that this was taken from?

Don't mind Macof, and his unwarranted claims . Unfortunately, he practically thought he understand Yoruba language with close related English translation but without sound knowledge on Yoruba language.

This same pattern is alluded ignorantly to such identity of Oramiela; Orunmiela,which is found in some dictionaries as heaven know who will survive. This also is a fslse interpretation and failed attempt in near perfect English's equivalent translation of this word and many others because, these words are Ifaodu(ritual language) words.

I hope you have seen one out of many reasons that many fault finders Yoruba scholars ignorantly destroyed our language's equivalent English versions due to over sabi,since 19th century . This and many more is the reason, such must be corrected.


Cheers

FrLukas:
I don't think the Yorubas have any connection with the Jews.

Rather I think we have a more direct connection with Ancient Egypt called Kemet.

Note that I said ANCIENT Egypt.

Apart from the many connections that have been hashed out in scientific and historical papers, there's one that strikes me the most.

That's the issue of kingship.

Ancient Egypt until a few millennia ago had god-kings. The belief that the king was a god was a prominent belief of the ancient Egyptians until a few centuries ago.

The same belief is still prominent in Yoruba custom and practices as the king is regarded as a god, Èkejì Òrìṣà.

The crown of an ancient Pharaoh that covers his face is very identical to the crown that the Obas in Yorubaland wear that has beads in front that covers their faces.

The reason for hiding their faces is so that mere mortals do not dare to gaze on the countenance of a god.

Just my humble opinion. I stand to be corrected.

You must be an extremely wise one. Anyway, the Yoruba ancestors have link to every ethnic group in the world. So, Egypt is a contrast in this regard.

The reason being that the Egyptians were not as religiously inclined as Yoruba's, whose identity is hidden in Y R B.

The Igba keji orisa is not unto God but as linked to ancestors. Although Orisa is also known as God Almighty, but in this regard, it is unto ancestors. This above information is the accepted version of the translation of Igba keji orisa.

The Crowns worn in Yoruba land by kings are many which covers beyond what you term as Egyptians crowns. Among the crowns,the ancient ooni of 12th century and before had a crown made of helmet, fezlike cap, rossete as emblem of authority.

ArisingStorm:
You are welcome

Tora(h) doesn't ooo Bantu word. The Classic Hebrew interpreters actually gave their best to the meaning. And the transliteration and translation is perfect; which is moral,teaching,uprightness way of life, etc. This word doesn't mean speech in Classic Hebrew because this word became discovered through ideograms and not just assumption.

Furthermore, this ideograms were discovered in Mediterranean side of the Earth as well ; Mesopatmia .So, no need to be over angry, what's is not a big deal.Besides,the reconstruction of the Hebrew and the cognates is what you need work on in such as to understanding the classic Hebrew.

Amujale:
The point of this thread is to proof beyond doubt that the Yoruba was, are present in Kemit at the start and as such, our language features a great deal.

More importantly, our ancestors helped found Kemit.

Yes, there was other communities from the continent, however, Yoruba is one of them.

It is good to see that you're in support of what Olumide Lucas claimed, even i some of his vew are inaccurate based on religion.

2. You have shown too that the claim of Yoruba ancestors oral account as being among the city builder were high in that era due to their contribution to world development .

3. The same transliteration and translation of true cognates are found on the basis of regular sound correspondence with, Ethiopic, Persians, Classic Hebrews and Arabic. So, Coptic Egyptians were only beneficiaries to Yorubas industrialisation in Egypt.


4. The biblical information that the world spoke same language is the direction you have just pursued.

5. The Yoruba only lived in Egypt due to commerce and helped developed the city

6. The language written by authors as Coptic language came to be in later era in Egypt.

7. All renowned ethnic groups lived in Egypt due to abidance of wealth before pursuance of self religious glory by these other groups, in which Yoruba group was in it because, the Kemt didn't use Ram as sacrifice due to belief that Ra is ‘God' and he is a ramhead man. Unlike Yorubas that such is a sacrificial animal.


8. Other difference is that Yoruba form of writing were heavily embedded in pictograms, ideograms or obelisks, which is silent in Africa because, Hieroglyphs , pictogram are foind to be Egyptians form of conveying information.

9. Ora exist also in Yoruba's Oru's account as found in Egypt's acount as ramhead and in Ur/Or in Mesopatamia but not a ram head man.


Lastly, until you begin to reconstruct the world history from a wider perspective, then yoi will realise that there is more to Yoruba people and history than meet the eyes.



Cheers

Macof,
Ofi
Ofin
Afi
Afin

The above is King's fort and not residence. Below screenshot is the meaning of fort in Yoruba. C'est fini.

macof:
Stop going in circles. I have dealt with this

Lol! You didn't deal with it.

O dud Iwa: It's a personage and the name of his God in unification with perfect character, known as Iwa. This is well understood to be in sacred Calabash known as odu Iwa(Igba iwa). This is Ela and his the perfect character. This calabash is figuratively represented as God hidden in the void. This Odu Iwa is also in Ore groove.

O is a prefix or an indicator to his name of Daoud(Dawaodu)

‘Iwa,' is another name of Ela or Eleda who is the creator.

Dud is a Classic Semitic term which mean pot,vessel, etc, which has an inscription as Dal+ waw + dal Dawad/Dawod/Dod)While these names exist also in Yoruba language.

Have you no knowledge that Yoruba had record of the name Daodu( Dawaodu) as the head of house or leader or king ?

In the same manner, Y R B exist as name of South West Nigeria and beyond,who are a people related to Nimrod and descended from Cannaan. Have you no knowledge t that each alphabet means a code in ancient language? Learn the Semitic inscription so that your knowledge become more proficient.

Furthermore, you will not learn because, Teri bale is not Teriba, because both are self explanatory. Teribale is a koine Yoruba language as same as Teriba and both have different meaning. Such don't exist in proper dialects.

Teribale : bow or bend your head to place or fall it on the bare ground . Does this make sense to you or is it self recreation by you ? Stop it

In this context, ‘Bale,' is to fall flat on the ground,land on the ground, to go down flat, to descend from above downwardly to the ground, to be on same level with the earth. So don't twist it. Teri bale is not the bone of contention but Teriba. If you have problem understanding Yoruba language ,then learn .

Lastly, Palace is King's house or residence and not the fort . Don't be cunning, with your mistakes. Below screenshot is what Palace means

Amujale:
No they are not.

Berber languages are related to some of the first invaders of North Africa from Europe and the Medeterranian.

One could easily assert that the Berber language is Afro-asiatic due to the vast amount of years spent on the continent; thousands of years to be precise.

The term 'Berber' simply means those in Europe and West Asia that didnt speak Greek.

It was the Greeks that coined that term.




You wont find a Berber language related term in Ancient Egypt.

Furthermore, there was no such thing as a 'Berber' during the period of Ancient Egypt.

The foreigners in the times of Kemit was the, 'Sea people', Hyskos and than later the Assyrians.

The Assyrians became more prominant in Olden days Egypt and not Ancient Egypt.

Yoruba are of Assyrian ; Chaldean origin. Bakhou is the name of man known as Joseph in some quarter , who is Assyrian by origin that lived in Egypt during one of the Nubia Pharaohs as prime minister( a lower king). Read written books by Caleb Adebayo Folorunso.

Barkhou is what is contracted to Aku ! So, do more research on it to seek what you desire to
get. Do also more research on what language is Aramaic that was accepted as Franca Lingua in Egypt by 409 BC ,which is known as Coptic Egyptian language. Furthermore, solve the research work,by finding out who brought the Aramaic the language to Egypt ?





Cheers

Amujale:
No they are not.

Berber languages are related to some of the first invaders of North Africa from Europe and the Medeterranian.

One could easily assert that the Berber language is Afro-asiatic due to the vast amount of years spent on the continent; thousands of years to be precise.

The term 'Berber' simply means those in Europe and West Asia that didnt speak Greek.

It was the Greeks that coined that term.




You wont find a Berber language related term in Ancient Egypt.

Furthermore, there was no such thing as a 'Berber' during the period of Ancient Egypt.

The foreigners in the times of Kemit was the, 'Sea people', Hyskos and than later the Assyrians.

The Assyrians became more prominant in Olden days Egypt and not Ancient Egypt.

Yoruba are of Assyrian ; Chaldean origin. Bakhou is the name of man known as Joseph in some quarter , who is Assyrian by origin that lived in Egypt during one of the Nubia Pharaohs as prime minister( a lower king). Read written books by Caleb Adebayo Folorunso.

Barkhou is what is contracted to Aku ! So, do more research on it to seek what you desire to
get. Do also more research on what language is Aramaic that was accepted as Franca Lingua in Egypt by 409 BC ,which is known as Coptic Egyptian language. Furthermore, solve the research work,by finding out who brought the Aramaic the language to Egypt?



Cheers