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Konquest:
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@Osugbo

Hello and welcome aboard. It is nice reading your
post.

You are the first Sierra Leonian citizen
of Creole Yoruba descent that I know of who is
a member of Nairaland. Oluwaseun Osewa or Seun Osewa
for short who founded in 2005 the hugely successful
Nairaland is also of Yoruba Nigerian ancestry.


YOU can visit the Web link below to see more of what
Yoruba people are doing in the areas of manufacturing
and other professions around the world.

==>https://www.nairaland.com/3918290/yorubas-most-industriousrichest-educated-tribe
https://www.nairaland.com/3918290/yorubas-most-industriousrichest-educated-tribe/304


I feel very happy reading this post from you
as a Diasporan Yoruba. You are indeed part of
our history.

It is good to know that the Yoruba-Sierra Leonians
are still thriving, and in PROMINENT positions
in your country of citizenship.


I read in the history books in my personal library that a LARGE
number of Africans who were liberated by the British Navy from
slave ships heading for the Americas and Europe were Yoruba
and Congolese Angolans... with some other ethnicities.

Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther, the first black Bishop of the
Anglican church, was an Oyo Yoruba was was rescued from
a Portuguese slave ship that was headed for South America
from Lagos and he and other captives wer set free by a British
navy schooner in Sierra Leone. He later came to Nigeria and
he was the maternal grandfather of Sir Hubert Heelas Macauley
[another Yoruba of Sierra Leone origin] who was the father of
modern Nigerian nationalism and founder of the first political
party in Nigeria.



I am amazed by the presence of Yoruba-Gambians
which I didnt know about before now.

I know that Goree Island also received a lot
of our people of Yoruba ancestry and the I
remember the late business mogul, Chief Moshood
Abiola who is of Egba-Yoruba origin from Abeokuta
was in the forefront of the reparations to Africa
struggle, visited the Goree Island in Senegal in the early
1990s and the tour guide told him that most of those
who were received at Gore Island were of Yoruba
ancestry. Senegal of course is a direct neighbour
of Gambia were you indicated that Yoruba are!

So @Osugbo, let us get to hear and read more from you
and I am following you on NL right now. Hope we can get
to meet one-on-one sometime.


Regards to all Creole Yoruba in Sierra Leone, Gambia, Bahia
in Brazil, Lucumis Yorubas of Cuba, and the rest of the
Yoruba Diaspora! We are still keeping it real... with the
kara Iyesa delicacy in Bahia, Brazil despite the ocean that
separates both sides of the continent.

All the best!

Cc: Olu317


PS. Ode is means hunter, and I noticed that
you use the spelling Odeh, with a latter h.
Very interesting.

Interesting piece about Yoruba people in all these places. And I hope one day,unification of all Yorubas will come to be. I am tempted to believed,‘Odeh's' ( hunter) spelling with ‘h' may not be far from the actual accent. Besides, most of Yoruba diaspora's accent are slightly modified from archaic yoruba dialects,which iz as a result of relocation to another enclave or environment.

In actual fact, I recalled the reparation MKO demanded in the early 1990s. This was a man who was extremely popular, wealthy and connected to the high and mighty.
Unfortunately, no African ever dared in such magnitude demand thereafter him.What a shame!

goalernestman:
Please tell me the story of how Yoruba gives the Benin the Ada and Eben

I have done that in my last post you quoted. After all, oranmiyan(oranyan) isnt an Edo-igodomigodo name.Itse isnt an Edo-igodomigdo word. Omo isn't an Edo- igodomigodo name. Bini isn't an Edo- Igodimigodo name.Why would Ada be an Edo-Igodomigodo name? The foundation of Oba as the new dynasty came with all yoruba paraphernalia,which signified conquest and authority.

If you are interested, kindly go verify what the Ada(sword) and you'll be told it is a symbol of authority ,which is the GLYPH of Oba of Bini over his Bini kingdom. In fact, each Prince leaving ILEIFE goes with princely-kingly paraphernalia which include Ada(sword). And after subjugation of angry people of igodomigodo which is binu-ibinu in Yoruba language, thus, sword of the Oba represent the ancestral background of Oba Bini and his symbol of authority.

gregyboy:
Stop ranting the beaded hair dress worn by the ladies signify edo culture ....and yes if a Benin man dressed in his native attire and not that of the tribe the you says own the true worship then a message is indirectly passed there....a yoruba man will be in mist of where olokun is worshipped in Benin i just imagine how possible it will be ...in the olds before tribalism if an edo man was to seat in mist of other tribe he will be giving kola to break as we where seen superior traditionally.....

Modified the true religion of the yorubas is islam edo gave the yorubas the other gods

Yet the white men came to Yoruba land to appreciate and see the beauty of yoruba culture and they don't care what you worship in Bini, land, despite your kinsmen in Europe and noise making. Isn't obvious that you people are liars?.Millions of people who can't come will watch it online and you don't feel bad that your own olokun is venerated in Yoruba language? May be you wil claim Ifa too came from Bini . Bunch of clowns with so much falsification.

YourNemesis:
They (Benins) seem to have gotten the Olokun worship in Urhonigbe from the coastal/riverine Yoruba communities they interacted with in the form of Umale Okun/Malokun.
At the mouth of the Formosa river which the Osse empties into near Ogheye, Warri North- Olokun is still the principal deity till date.

The Igodomigodo are a funny people and are revisionists. They virtually copied, everything civilization from Yoruba but refuse to be thankful. Even their language and names infiltrated with Yoruba.

The route of olokun worship into Bini could be through your view but there is no iota of doubt that the olokun custodian in Bini came from IFE either directly or through migration to these places you mentioned before it got to Bini.The reason for this assertion is that,custodian and devotees introduce his/her ancestral worship to new environment if there is a perceive problems that's related to such orisha(gods).

Bini need be thankful to yoruba, because they became civilized through the introduction of Oba , Ìdà-Àdà (sword), cloth making,iron cast,sculpture work etc,which their palace used as a form of strength for oppression of the Efa, Ijaw, Bantu,Nupe-Nok groups.

gregyboy:
Lol...your make me laff lets assume oba belongs to the yorubas it was never used to represent kingship untill recently the yorubas under the edi territory took upin the name oba to respresent kings this alone will tell you oba doesn't belong to yorubas but the word oba got there through conquest ....

Olo kun its not “olu kun" dont forge meaning to it my friend again if olu is lord in yoruba why not use olu instead of oba in adressing kings it just shows the yoruba took the name oba from edo through conquest the same way we call our monarchs “kings" through british conquest and the same way illorin call thier monarchs emir and not the original yoruba title .for the record omo n' ba means a child that shine it was a form of praise giving to him

It is “osanobua" not orisha" benin have no word like orisha that it will even think to derive the word from it ...

I want to ask you a question it is well known benin conqured and rule over ekiti,ondo,Lagos and the fulani over kwarra and illorin now tell me who will pass thier culture to each other. is it the conquered or conquerer? Because i am not understanding you, orimiyan came to benin he didnt even enter the palace because he was too fearful to fight and he left. so i still wonder how you think that man brought all this gods to benin it is only reasonable to say this small benin people spread the gods to the yorubas through war it is well noted in the picture above ....

My friend if you cant tell me how this gods entered benin and what are edo worshippers doing in those pictures then shut up it becoming annoying arguing emptinessely with you. i could easily do better than what youre doing now by bring tales and cunning words to have meaning to suit my purpose but there is no need to a tribe that cant even tell where oduduwa came from want to claim ownership to history don't make me laff please

Continue to make mockery of yourself in the eyes of the world. It is only unstudied you can deceive with your uncountable lie. The etymology of this word olokun is of Yoruba origin and it is hers and not borrowed from your kingdom,which was under Yoruba flag through Oranmiyan. The phonology of th word and many other borrowed by Bini from yoruba is self explanatory.

Contrary to your thought, Omo n'Oba n'Edo was what your king was called in the ancient time, so dont laugh to your own detriment. And the word O-BA is simply; 'he reign over' or ontop or above all.So,there are different word that Yoruba ancestors coined to fit to mean same thing(synonym). Since you are struggling with the truth,let me break it down for you .

O: he
Bá: reign over, above,ontop,father that's looked upto as authority over all things. It is even part of epithet of all Yoruba Kings.

Olu-Olo:it is a stand alone word for master,lord,king and be used as prefix or suffix in Yoruba language, which is the reason you people are ignorant of the fact e.g olo okun( lord/god of the sea) Olu itsekiri or Olu warri,Olu Ibadan,even oba bini is even ‘olu'.

Furthermore, the headquarter of Olokun festival is ILEIFE in OSUN STATE, which proof the origin of olokun is from Yoruba land. Infact,Professor Frobenuis ,an ethnologist, saw the head of ori olokun and other artifacts of Yoruba ancestors and admired during his exploration in ILEIFE in 1910, which made him declared certain views on yoruba people as being linked to Mediterranean origin . Perhaps, you have another version of Edos for being ignorant and don't know your own history. Kindly tell us who was the ancestor of Ogiso(sky king) ,whom you claim as the ancestor of Odudua?

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gregyboy:
So if i tell you the meaning would it change the origination

Anyway olokun...olo kun ...means god of the waters

Now why are the people in that picture dressed like edos if they never came to teach the yorubas how to worship olokun

You still havnt told me how olokun came to Benin from any yoruba state hmm ?...defenders of the yoruba

All the times,I have seen you and many of your likes peddling lies online because of inferiority complex. I can't just imagine the reason you and chunks of Edos who are interested in ‘culture section' want to match Yoruba glory by deceptive means.

Interestingly, the etymon of ‘Olo' is derived from Olu(Lord- god-master) of ‘Okun' and ‘Okun' is( large body of water-sea). Does ‘Olu- Olo' have this same meaning in Edo lexicon? Perhaps,you know wjat we dont know. I known it as a fact that Osanobua is what is known in Edo as lord-God, which is also borrowed from Yoruba's Oosá- Orísá. So ,kindly note, it is not of Edo origin but Yoruba's.

Furthermore, the world headquarter of Olu-okun-Olokun is in Yoruba land,which nullify your POOR opinion. Infact, Yoruba man created Bini, with his own opinion when he saw anger in Igodomigodp in which you ignorantly boast over in today's world . Isn't it even a shame for you to boast over such name given to you by a conqueror? Even ‘Oba' also has Yoruba etymon and the most revered king in Edo is also a descendant of a Yoruba man.

Torah:
THE OBELISK OF ORANMIYAN HAS BEEN READ.
YES DECIPHERED AT YORUBA TORAH RESEARCH INSTITUTE
THE LORD GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH IS OUR SOURCE.
Folllow this link

<iframe src="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dpspaJVEq4HfwU-_1MW7PkTlQcWN9TJj/preview" width="640" height="480"></iframe>THE OBELISK OF ORANMIYAN HAS BEEN READ.
YES DECIPHERED AT YORUBA TORAH RESEARCH INSTITUTE
THE LORD GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH IS OUR SOURCE.

<iframe src="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dpspaJVEq4HfwU-_1MW7PkTlQcWN9TJj/preview" width="640" height="480"></iframe>

Quite interesting to read the above statement.And I tried going through the link you provided but didn't open. Perhaps, you can post the meaning on here.


Cheers.

Dartilo:
The truth so far is that there is no doubt benin empire existed

It is obvious that you don't know much,so know it that ADA(ÌDÁ) is a common word for sword in Yoruba Land and found everywhere. Tentatively, from Oba,Binu,Ada,omo etc,showed you of Igodomigodo ancestry bows to anything Yorubas. Only Oba Binu carry IDA (ADA) as a sign of his insignia in the whole of Edo land in the ancient time,apart from modern day Edo state.So stop this your unreliable and baseless information.

macof:
@Dartilo.. You see..
People like this one are the problem and reason you think the narrative changed. These type of people have been very loud and due to either a clinic condition or sinister agenda have been making mecca claims for so long, but such claims are private and have nothing to do with what we received from our ancestors. Both bini and mecca claims don't add up nor are they traditional
The traditional narrative has always connected Odùduwà to Oke-ora

Since you refused to study beyond outdated information because Ora, exist in three ethnicities history,which were :

1. Kemet
2. Hebrew
3. Yoruba

From the above, Hebrew and Yoruba used Ra-Ram for sacrifice in the coronation of a King,unlike Kemet that reference Ram as godman,which is seen in Sphinx in Egypt that will give you an Idea and other archaeological evidences to proof this. ( ponder over this fact). So, some of us have followed the researches done in the past by non bias people who care-less about muddling fiction with fact and have surpassed such evidence ( wait for it ) . Interestingly,it will be presaging to us that have taken this research further if the history of Odua is from Oke Ora in West Africa because you say so. As far as the Igodomigodo, Ekerlahadan is Odua to them; a coward fled prince . And here you are trying to pitch tent with someone whose knowledge does not go beyond small kingdom called Edo,where horses were first seen, when Yoruba Prince invaded their city, and changed their names and kingly title to foreign one(O—bá and Bínú aren't West African names but brought through invaders) .Kindly shed more light on the following:

1.Who were Odua ancestors?
2.What century did he lived?
3.What religion do they practise?
4.What way did he worship God?

Ordinarily, I had expected you stop your emotional approach which is baseless because inscription are seen on Opa Oranmiyan which you or any one be it Awo or custodians of the Obelisk can't understand or interpret. And here you are fuming as if you are sure of Oke Ora's actual ancient location. Perhaps, you need look up,the ceramic figure of Ram being dug out in part of ILEIFE for you realise that some foreign group founded all Yoruba's entity in West Africa's Nigeria country.

Originalsly:
Am Dominican........ Cheers..... people from the DR don't use those terms. OP is a Nigerian..... and most likely has never ever seen someone from the DR in person. Don't even have to know the source of the statistics he gave to know it is wrong...dead wrong. Their food alone will tell you that Africa is dominant in their culture. OP is just fooling himself... thinks he is soooo smart.

How sure are you about the Op's home country as being, Nigeria? Kindly take it easy and get your fact accurate before your conclusion of calling the Op, a Nigerian.

I would like a private mail chat with you if you don't mind,over a study I am engaged. My mail add: xylovoice@gmail.com




Cheers

Amujale:
According to African historians and academics, West African communities predates their North and North East African peers. The only people that think or claim otherwise are the present North Africans, Europeans and Asians; majority of Africans agree with me and their academia.

The previous post of yours still made mentioned of I having “warped understanding of Yoruba,history at large"

Little do you know, I and some others have gone through this same lane with intellectuals who shared your “Ignorant" views on Yoruba and Hebrew cognates ,simply because ,they were comfortable being called a people with lost Identity being that Oshin a.k.a (Odudua) has no known ancestors in West Africa and bewildered with grandeur lies from people like you and some Edo revisionism who walloped in idealism, instead of facing up with the reality. What a shame!

Interestingly, the grace bestowed upon me by the lord of my ancestors has helped me break certain code through rigorous study which will make you pick up my book at the right time in the future on Yoruba and Semitic origin of these wonderful people. I mean, the book of the same man, whom you referred as having “warped understanding on Yoruba". Obviously you lack extensive studying into Africa people and the sensitive issues as it relate to Africa's different ethnic identity per see .

Need I forget to inform you that you need do extra study and forget your pride to understand the make up of scientific,and linguistic evidence so as to stand the test of time.

Now, answer these questions:

A. Since, you claimed that West Africa is older than the rest of the world ; could you be specific about the ethnicity that inhabited this land?

B.What archaic cultivation tools were discovered in this land you posit as the oldest in West Africa?

Your question to me:
“You claim that West Africa doesnt predate Mesopotamia, and i say provide with the proof instead of calling me Afrocentric. Before you go any further, kindly answer to your initial claims"'.

Answers:

On the world scene, it has been discovered that the oldest Fossil humans were from Africa,which was the foundation land of mankind. And the three oldest fossil human is as follows,including non African soil:

1. Morocco: it is the oldest Homo sapiens fossils and are around 300,000 years old

2. Ethiopia: The Homo sapiens fossils in two locations have been dated to between 195,000 and 160,000

3.Jebel Irhoud:This the oldest outside Africa and found in Jebel Irhoud. Misliya, Mount Carmel, Israel . The Earliest modern human fossil found outside Africa has been dated to between 177,000 and 194,000 years old.



My question to you,is this:
Where is your West Africa from the above fossils
information?

xylovoice@gmail.com, is my mail address if you have questions I can attend to.

Amujale:
African history is my study plus Earth sciences/Anthropology




Prior to 1400 B.C.E all of Europe and much of Asia worship African God(s). Consequently, they assimilate their well known divinities into their culture and philosophy.



Stop already!

Obviously you don’t understand we’ll enough to know that it’s uncool to keep bringing chi into conversation.

Even though you seem quite intelligent, you display the same warped understanding of African history that anti-African individuals possess. Yet I sense great potential.

For me, to truly get understanding African history, certain conditions are to hold; one is to disregard rhetoric, hear say and all other anti-African discourse with regards to history. Furthermore, to regard African history as genuine, If it isn’t written, deliberated-upon or judged by Africans, such writings that fit into these category must simply be deemed inadmissible. That is to say, in a sense, most of the present Eurocentric and Asian discourse on African history will be deemed to be false and invalid.

The only true African history is that which is derived by an African(s), by default all other versions are false.

The discourse on European history is primarily exclusive to European writers.

The discourse on Asia’s history is primarily exclusive to Asian writers.

The discourse on Africa’s history is primarily badly concocted by European and Asian writers. This is where all of us (you and I) come in and repair the damage for the benefit of the next generations and our own overstanding.

Majority of ‘Classical’ European deities and divinities came directly from an African divinity, in some ways, they (the foreigners) would snatch an entire concept of ‘divine’ and transplant the same concept into their communities i.e Andromeda, Hermes, Zeus e.t.c

Greeks Zeus and many other mainland African divinity that the Greeks and Romans implanted into their philosophy; even though their total disregard for intellectual property is something that will haunt them forever. Roman Apollo same type of activity occurs; same thing with the Persians.

Well, you are the one that have no knowledge of your history because you are fed with lies and you cant even question certain glaring information before you,yet you boast of being an historian. As far as I know,you're an Afrocentric person who failed to even neglect the fact that Africa has 1500+ languages. In fact, West Africa has about 400+ languages.So being in a discipline of Earth science, History and anthropology can't even unravel who is who in Africa except through knowledge acquision on linguistic, Archeology, Hieroglyphs, pictographs etc before you can be boastful through journal or papers you present. Mind you, history has it that migration that took place toward the new world begun from Africa and there were migration back and forth to Africa.

You said,‘Even though you seem quite intelligent, you display the same warped understanding of African history that anti-African individuals possess'.


If I display warped understanding of African; doesnt mean I displays warped understanding about Yoruba's history. Kindly be mindful of what you say because genealogy had been part of ancestral lineage ever since they arrived in West Africa around 9BC-100AD. Therefore, I chose to deviate from self egocentrism o'er my ability with cogent reason because like I had carefully stated in my previous post,that Africa wasn't the name of this foundational continent of the world from the beginning. So ,if you love this continent,expose us to the actual name of this continent to begin with.

Seriously 1400BC is a child's play to what we know. Infact, 5000BC is a child's play as well. But before you run,kindly ponder over these Questions:

1. Have you ever considered over unintelligible 1500+ ethnic groups languages between each one of them that make up this continent?

2.Do consider archeological evidence before you churn out your condemnation at all ?

3.Do you not consider it correct as a researcher to narrow down your research with a case study before lumping up Africa as if it's one ethnic group?

4.Is Greek god; Atlas in Greek mythology stolen from which ethnic group in Africa ?

5. Do you realise that this same continent, precisely in Morocco was dubbed by Western World researchers as the Oldest place with fossil humas and followed up by, middle East; Israel ?

6. Why do you now accuse people who wrote according to their verified researches?

7. Do you even know the reason for multiplicity of diverged languages in this Continent?

8. Do you even know Egypt -Kmt(Meroe) was conquered six times?

9. Were the conquests perpetuated by your so called Nubian, Cushites,Ethiopians only ?

10. Do you even known some so called Africans of royalty were excavated to being buried upright in ancient Egypt?

11.Do you know Yoruba use ram as sacrifice to portray strength and authority unlike Kmt that worship Ram( Ra)

12 .Do you even know in present day Nigeria, there is a known royalty in Eastern-Ibo(Igbo) Nigeria whose deceased kings are buried upright?

13. Why was it impossible to remember all the deceased kings before Èlùfín(Olofin) Oshin(Odua)?


Note:#Advice#
*There are so many things people like you need to learn through humility so as to be knowledgeable on things that are in darkness to you*. So ponder

Amujale:
African spirituality is HUGE, is larger than the organisation you refer to as the United Nations. The reasons they are acceptable is precisely because it will further contradict the lies and falsities been peddled to us by Christianity and Islam. And the United Nations is also part of the furniture in the office of a Eurocentric. African spirituality is the standard that everyone eventually ends up judging themselves with; however, what the Eurocentrics and Arabs forgot to tell us is that everyone in the Europe and large parts of Asia worship God through the African spirituality (some will argue they still unknowingly does today) during the time of the Romans.

Sorry, I am not your kind of African but Yoruba. Kindly do the study on the meaning of Africa, so that you will know the difference between my school of thought and yours. Beside, I am shocked at your view as regard the history of the Hebrews,yet you embrace Africa. A continent that reigned through. Nubian, Ethiopians,Egyptians and at the peak Ammon ruled ,which was filled with her glory but lost it to massive human sacrifices. Perhaps, you need to understudy the light of the world who are the Yorubas. Even the Ethiopians that were of great knowledge went to learn the Hebrews Knowledge,who were the Yorubas of old.And if you undervalue the Yorubas then it's at your own peril and you have missed it.


If you seek spirituality, then look unto Yoruba's IFA whose epitome creator is called Élédáà(owner of human heads;, creator of one's head). So quash your African spiritualism out of it that was bedevilled with massive human sacrifices to appease mortal men who died and turned to God. Unlike Yorubas ancestors who were seen as middle men to appease their Élédáà. Interestingly, in the concept of Èrí (Ori); worship of Élédáà, a part says,‘É jé kí fí Orísá sí'lé ká bó 'èrí(bó rí).' If you know what this mean, you will understand who the Yorubas are.

Do you even know how some people 's royal in Africans were buried upright even up till today? Does such culture look Yoruba to you? Bro,I don't fancy the Afrocentrism without proper study and identifying who and who in Africa, because Almighty Élurún(,Olorún) is with messengers.

Lastly,list the spirituality of African Gods(gods) that was the inspiration toward Roman, Persian and Greek
culture. In fact, around 100AD Christianity had entered Africa through Egypt,so be cautions of what you say because many people are as read as you are.

geosegun:
You may be right, there have been so many fabrications to 're write histories. Just buttressing some stories that I had in the last and thought if true, these routes would be more logical. If truly the migration did happened.

It is two way things ; true or false. Well, Babel existed and Nimrod existed even if he wasn't the ancestor of Yorubas because Ifa and ephod existed in two tradition: Yoruba and Hebrew before others fabricated their own version.

The interesting aspect of this is that the people who claimed to have same Ifa knowledge in West Africa can't present their version to the united Nation on world heritage . It clearly showed one is real while others are copycat of the original without full knowledge of it .


Cheers

Spazolas:
Cut your crap ! Yoruba are not Quresh ! The Lamurudu narrative was made up by the Sokoto Caliphate and the writer of the infakul to make Islam relevant amongst Yorubas. Nimrod NEVER existed, it’s been debunked.

Don't take a rash decision to condemn such notion as regard Babel or Nimrod because they did existed e'en if you haven't studied it that deep . Surprisingly,the Arab are actually the half brother of Yorubas. In my research work that I did comparison of proto language, Visual Art,obelisks ,Terracotta works, religious beliefs of Yoruba and Semitic people, showed Yoruba ancestors migrated back to Africa from Middle East. The reign of Yoruba ancestors appeared firstly in Tigris and rivers Euphrates; Mesopotamia before they move into the land of summer; who were people that dressed naked and shaved their heads ,whom the yoruba ancestors ruled with divination knowledge and from the land of summerian,the Yorubas moved to the land of Or (Oru;heat land )in Iraq,with the divination system of Ifa and from Or the youba ancestors moved to Ai(Aayè) Canaan—Isreal

Interestlingly,they moved back to Africa through these lands after the first conquest and second conquest of Hebrew land(Northern Israel and Judah). Well,my narration might look strange to you because no part of Yoruba history had been document through the eyes of Romans,Latin, Greekt,German, English people,so as to back this up. But guess what? The Yoruba Odu IFA is the archived of Yoruba history. In fact,it's the keeper of archaic or ancient Yoruba language and dialects. The obelisks found in yoruba land have the written code of the Yoruba ancestors history and It is a known fact that all the cities I mentioned above in middle East had a link to Yoruba ancestors spoken words names of Town and cities The shocking part is that these words exist in yoruba land and middle east ; Semitic languages
Unfortunately,some scholars thought Yoruba borrowed Semitic words but Yoruba language was the pride of Semitic language because it was the spoken to mushe(moshé,)which is the lost but found Classical Hebrew language and the dialects of the Yoruba people.


Cheers

Amujale:
According to most of our reputable historians,
West African communities predates all and a every community outside of Africa and is highly considered amongst the oldest in Africa.

Sorry I can't tolerate such juxtaposition anymore because I have studied with reliable information without biases more than such knowledge.

Cheers

Amujale:
African historians are the most qualified and capable to write African history. Most of the facts that you state have been found to be based on questionable ideologies.

Now, there’s need for me to make clear the fact that West African communities predates all and a every community outside of Africa and is highly considered amongst the oldest in Africa.

Which ethnic group are you inferring a the oldest group in the world?

2. Are you referring to the land in West Africa as the oldest being inhabited by people of West Africa?

My last take on this is that, West Africa did not predate East Africa-Northern Africa Inhabitants

Konquest:
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@Bbsharon

Awesome post Demi...

I'd love to visit this historic site soon!
It's surreal just watching you touching
the Oranmiyan staff in Ife that I've only read
about in the history books.

1] Did you visit the Oranmiyan staff from
Lagos?

2] Is your travel blog geared towards
travel tourism... I mean are you gearing up
to having a Tour Guide Company from your
travel blogging experience?


Last but not least, I think the place needs
to be modernised/renovated with chalets
and more so as to attract more local
and international tourists. The current
Ooni owns a real estate firm and I think
they can do some re-modelling on this
site without losing the original history
of the place.


Olu317 will be interested in this post and your
Travel blog.


Cheers!


PS:OK Demi... I just left a message on your blog on the Esa cave visit here:
https://www.demitalks.com/2019/02/01/my-visit-to-the-ancient-esa-cave-iyin-ekiti/

@ Konquest ,greeting to you but I am not interested at all because people have refused to be rational thinkers and studious but preferred to be stereotype on a fabled information that's watery. The Opa Oranmiyan and every other obelisk in Yoruba land are coded information on these granite which were erected to identify with their ancestors history's writing form.

The purpose of these obelisks,visual Art ,ceramic works,Terracota works, genealogy account are a pointer to the fact that one day these Yoruba ancestors codes can be decoded by their descendants who are you and I in unraveling their identity. After all, yoruba history has flaws,because genealogy became norm of the day from Oshin-A..k. A (Odudua). This is as simple as ABC


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Amujale:
West African communities predates both the Khemet and Mesopotamia ones, contrary to what Eurocentrics falsely claim.

In the correct chronology of the ages, Yoruba predates Khemet and Mesopotamia.

1. Since you and I know Yoruba's calendar is 10,60 years as at today, how do you conclude on your information of Yoruba being the oldest people on planet earth?

2. Do you know about the four- oldest fossils that their ages range from over 100 years - 300 years are not in West Africa?

3. Do you know the oldest fossil human found in Yoruba land at Iwo Eleru isnt Yoruba ancestor?

4. Do you know this fossil human found in Iwo Eleru is about 11,000+ years?

5. Do you know the oldest temple in the world is in Göbekli Tepee in Turkey?


Dear brother, if you don't like Caucasians, because one reason or the other doesn't mean,fossils account need be neglected by you. In fact, researchers are spread across the globe,irrespective of colour or ethnicity.


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Amujale:
West African communities predates both the Khemet and Mesopotamia ones, contrary to what Eurocentrics falsely claim.

In the correct chronology of the ages, Yoruba predates Khemet and Mesopotamia.

1. Since you and I know Yoruba's calendar is 10,60 years, how do you conclude on your information of Yoruba being the oldest peopke on planet earth?

2. Do you know about four- oldest bones that their ages range from over 100 years - 300 years are not in West Africa?

3. Do you know the oldest bone found in Yoruba land at Iwo Eleri isnt Yoruba ancestor?

4. Do you know this bone found in Iwo Eleru is about 11,000+ years?

5. Do you know the oldest temple in the world is in Göbekli Tepee in Turkey?


Dear brother, if you don't like Caucasians, because one reason or the other doesn't mean,fossils account need be neglected by you. In fact, researchers are spread across the globe,irrespective of colour or ethnicity.


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lawani:
it was the phoenicians that brought the semitic language to that area, before them the area spoke kemitic egyptian or Yoruba

Please stop it. Yoruba isn't older than ibo's-igbo's language. Kindly study to learn about the ancient Egyptian alphabets because tese ancient alphabets have been discovered,so that you won't indulge in all these wrong information sharing.

lawani:
because of the language similarities I believe up to 30 percent of Yoruba ancestors were egyptians just like 30 percent of British genes are Germanic

There is no iota of doubt that ancient Yoruba married some Egyptians-Kmt etc but this doesn't change the fact that loyalty of these Yorubas are solely to the God known as olorun,who is not known in Egypt.

In fact, many words known in ancient Egypt were different from the coptic era,which arent the same with yorubas because the shared words between Egypt and ancient yoruba were during coptic eras. This only showed that at every period in time, the kemet were conquered, some borrowed lexicons find its way to that kngdom. Interestingly, in today's Egypt, arabic runs through their vein.

lawani:
I saw it in a paper written by some itsekiri scholars. Yoruba spoken today is over 50 percent kemitic egyptian of 5000 years ago.

Oh I see! Well, But this information is from the account of Olumide Lucas's claim of Egyptian origin of Yorubas which isn't far from the truth if one consider migration ancient Yorubas migration back and forth from place to place. He mixed it up when he also went out to relate some Egyptian gods as Yoruba's which lacked the truth because Yorubas have only one God; olorun,eledumaare,eledáà,the same personality, who is formless and eternal, although Yoruba have ancestors who are venerated because they had done exploit in the past. Interestingly, no prayer were said without recognition of the Yoruba supreme God as being the one who make prayers come to being accepted by him.

Unfortunately for this account, the Hieroglyphs found in Egypt isn't the same as Opa Oranmiyan,which fault's Egyptian origin of Yorubas because the inscription on it isn't found in Egypt nor such Obelisk found in Egypt but in Middle East only; Reish/Resh and Yod/Yud don't exist in Egyptian Inscription.So ancient Yorubas aren't Egyptians.

Spazolas:
Point of correction please, I’m Yoruba too. The name Yoruba is a confederation of a group of people known as Erhvehs, we weren’t known as yoruba in time past till around 200 years ago when Samuel Crowther used by the British missionaries to rename us as a people.

Erhvehs are Hebrews and those who made up the Erhvehs were the Ewes ( Gadangme, Dahomey and the Eyeo better known as Oyo) our migration history octo the sub-Sahara occurred at the same time as we arrived in Nigeria in groves with Canaan as our take off point.

The truth will be revealed , it’s just a matter of time till all omoluwabi ( Omo ti oluwa bi ) will come to our true awakening. Erhveh land was knows as Hebrew land in times past because all the settlers in this land were people of Hebrew descent.

I have passed this Yoruba and its history in around 1880s that Samuel Ajayi Crowther and Samuel Johnson did their research as to the acceptability of the name Yorubas.

Sorry Sir, Ewes, Dahomey aren't Yorubas even if some of the people in these territories were of Yoruba descent, it is still not the same. After all, Edo isn't Yoruba but the kingly lineage and some Bini families. Interestingly, Dahomey is very known to me and fon language isn't intelligible to Yoruba's nor do their history have any ancestral link with Yorubas.

In fact,it will do you good to learn about Yorubas and her distinct 8% ghost DNA difference with people of West Africa, Visual Artworks, linguistic difference etc. These things are numerous to many mention.


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lawani:
according to the açcount I read 90 Kings ruled in ife before the meccan Oduduwa. From the meccan Oduduwa to the present day we have 51 Kings.

Which Author-Historian mentioned such? Kindly Post it. Beside, Odudua didn't live in Mecca as you have thought but his descendants because he had died over thousand of years before Nuwas; the jewish king that is eminent in the history of Mecca-Arabia . And I am sure you know Nuwas was a Jew that persecuted the Arabs and the Christians. In fact,the proper ground gaining of Yoruba was when their population increased in Kmt-Egypt before migration took them through to Yoruba land thus, Ooni became a title.

Amujale:
Interesting, that puts Nigerians using calvary
in the ancient times and that suggest West Africans are amongst the first to use horses for these type of activities.

It’s important to note that most archealogical sites present in West Africa arent matched with their correct carbon-dating readings. European and Arabic academics are known to distort readings for purely malicious reasons.

For instance, staff of Oranmiyan has a difference anomaly in readings; there’s the official reading that is published and those reading that don’t toll the official line are simply not published.

Yes, they were horse riders and warriors, with all form of calvary usage.Infact, modern Yorubas have not met up with the knowledge of ancient migrant Yorubas,inclusive I. These ancient yoruba people had technology know-how.

The present day c Yorubas are too uninterested to surpass. their ancestors works in West Africa if one consider the terracotta works, Opa was studied and information say,“The nails are arranged in such an ordered manner as to render them significant. First, there are 61 in a straight line from the bottom upwards at interval of about 2 inches on either side in midline; and next, at about a distance of 4 inches on either side of this, and from the same level on top, two parallel lines of 31 of the midline. Then in the space between these three rows of parallel lines, and about the level where they converge, is found the most conspicuous of the carvings...”

The Opa was carved of granite gneiss. That’s the first mystery. How did my great grandfathers who were presumed not to have any technological knowledge carve the structure out of granite? The European explorers who examined the Opa were of the opinion that it could have been made in the first millennium C. E.

Imagine,the construction of the Opa Oranmiyan obelisk around First Millennium? And here we are ,unwilling to unravel these different great works in Yoruba land. My prayer is that may Almighty Èlèdúùmáré grant us the wisdom to worship Élédáà only.

lawani:
there was an Oduduwa who lived 51 Kings ago in ile ife who described himself as a descendant of nimrod

No Sir! in the , Art in Ancient Ife, Birth place of the Yoruba, Suzanne Preston Blier mentioned says, “The Ikedu oral history text addressing Ife’s history (an annotated kings list transposed from the early Ife dialect; Akinjogbin n.d.) indicates that it was during the reign of Ife’s 46th king—what appears to be two rulers prior to the famous King Obalufon II, that this violent civil war broke out. This conflict weakened the city enough so that there was little resistance when a military force under the conqueror Oranmiyan (Fig. 2) arrived in this historic city. The dispute likely was framed in part around issues of control of Ife’s rich manufacturing resources (glass beads, among these). Conceivably it was one of Ife’s feuding polities that invited this outsider force to come to Ife to help rectify the situation for their side. As Akinjogbin explains (1992:98), Oranmiyan and his calvary, after gaining control of Ife “.… stemmed the.… uprising by siding with the weaker … of the disunited pre-Oduduwa groups .… [driving Obalufon II] into exile at Ilara and became the Ooni."

The point to the above quote is that 45 kings was said to have reigned in ancient UFE before the man who was identified as Odudua that made civil war happened in Nigeria's UFE that changed the face of the land because it was a cosmopolitan city.Thus the proper beginning of the descendants of Ooni Odudua-Oshin Imole was when Oranmiyan begun to reign,which is the reason there are inconsistency in the order of the king lists.This only showed there existed in UFE kings list whose history are enshrined in mystery and these Kings have no proper record in Yoruba land in Nigeria.

It is noteworthy to affirm that Nimrod have no culture of prostration as a form of salutation, Élédáà worship, ÓÒré worship etc which are means of worship of the descendants of the man's tradition. Perhaps, one day you will say, the usage of birds,animals, as sacrifices was Nimrod's. If you say Oshin was Nimrod's descendant,who among the family of Nimrod gave birth to the man with such name ? Kindly inform us.

lawani:
A man was renamed Oduduwa and made king in ile ife and the man reiterated to his children that he was a descendant of lamurudu

Sorry I disagree with you. As far as I know there was no man called Odudua in ILE IFE because it is an ancestor's lineage name and title. In fact, Oshin was the name of the man that existed in Ile Ife and being adressed as Elu-fin,Olu-fin,Olo-fin and with other titles.

lawani:
Oduduwa mentioned the name Lamurudu to his children

No Sir, there was no man called Odudua in West Africa but an ancestor's name that became an household name among his descendants.Invariably, Odudua is a title and lineage identity. Oshin-Oshea- Josiah was more precisely the man that reigned in West Africa. And truthfully,the man didn't exist during the time of Nimrod-Lamurudu in Mesopotamia but after Nimrod-Lamurudu's time.

lawani:
Father does not always mean father literally. If I say Awolowo is the father of Yoruba I would be right but he is not the father literally. Father can also mean ancestor like Nimrod is the father of Oduduwa.

lawani,when will you understand certain things? Odudua as a man wasn't a descendant of Nimrod. IFA wasnt known under Nimrod .So be mindful of what you post online.

Pearlyakin:
Thank you very much sir, also most yoruba names that has the prefix Baba is also related to Shopona, the great Obaluaye and according to my research and findings also any yoruba name with the prefix sho or osho is related to the yoruba god of agriculture/farming orisha oko and that's why names such as shoyinka is a short form of orishaokoyimika and it's not being surrounded by wizards just like the way we have shobayo, shotayo, sofela etc.

Yes, I agree with you 100%