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 Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 5:46am On May 07, 2019 |
Separateways:1. I agree on this view of yours. Indeed, Alaafin stool is highly given reverence because of the military strategy and expansion during her greatness. 2. I do not have this widespread knowledge of countries where Sango is venerated is 42 countries. This is quite an amazement. But is sango venerated under this name? Can you mention these countries? 3. Women have their role even if they are fans of spiritism and all form ancestral veneration even if they are not heavily allowed to participate in some other tradition of ancestors veneration. 4. Don't misunderstood Yoruba people's tradition as it regard Islam or Christianity because of seeing the current Alaafin as a Muslim. The next Alaafin can possibly be a Christian. So don't be emotional about Alaafin's religion because he's first a yoruba tradionalist before any other religion,even if you see him as your mentor through Islam. In actual fact, Alaafin ought be seen by you as a mentor through Yoruba tradition. 5. In fact, if Alaafin intend going to War,it is Oranmyan he venerates and not Sango because sango was a great warrior but wasn't a conqueror of other kingdoms as it is seen by you instead , he was a defender of his Oyo. He wasn't even a mercenary to be compared to his father, Oranmiyan,who was a mercenary at the peak before he returned back to Ufe to wage war over Ooni's throne and defend it. Beside, there were uncountable warriors in Yoruba land in the ancient time. * Note * If you are in doubt, you can verify these information from people who know these things about Alaafin. Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 5:58pm On May 06, 2019 |
Separateways:You Being partial to Oyo isn't a problem to me because everyone are entitled to their own opinion and choices they make but certainly the Ooni of Ufe has the longest same kingly lineage. As to your invalidity of my research work can be seen on so many archaeological evidences on the google engine etc which point to historical account of human development at different area of the ancient era.So if you find it interesting to go deep into it ,then there are cuneiform, tablets, pictographs, hieroglyphs,ethnographic evidences etc that you tap from through e- journal,written document on pdf etc online to buttress my point. Kindly help yourself on it. Whatever, the occultism of ancient Egyptians as you claimed need be backed with form of evidences such as archeological pictographs etc known in ancient Egypt. The Yorubas ancestors passed some information which are based in Ifaology, traditions, and in their language.These are the means of unraveling certain information about places Yoruba lived and whom they lived with because there are words in Yoruba's lexicons that are found in Niger–Congo languages (Bantu and non-Bantu) cover West, Central, Southeast and Southern Africa. So also certain Yoruba lexicons are found in Afroasiatic languages that are spread throughout Western Asia, North Africa, the Horn of Africa and parts of the Sahel Africa. While in Middle East ,which is also Afro-Asiatic Semitic that are spread throughout Western Asia, North Africa,Northeast Africa, Malta) to mentioned afew. Interestingly, the Afroasiatic-Semitic is the most dominant in Yoruba language,which you have used some comparison to buttress this point. Lastly, Sango in ancient time as back as 600 years ago wasn't as famed in Yoruba land as been seen today. Today's popularity of sango is as a result of slave trade etc . It will do you good to go verify this from non Oyo group such as Ufe, Ekiti, Ulesha, Idanre, Akure , Ulaje, Ekimogun ,Ujebu, Owu, Egba,etc Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 2:14pm On May 06, 2019 |
Separateways:It is contrary to what you have in your mind, because I am not passionate about my culture only but a messenger of the ancient order of the world,whom is regarded as the light of God, that created heaven and earth,who is known as ele-dumare,eledaa,eluron,ela is my passion. Interestingly, there are alphabets order in advancing my course ,which the western Researchers classified as classic Hebrew lettering found in Sinai around 1900s. Depsite the present day yoruba alphabets, which is fashioned after latin ,still retained its semitic origin. Though the present day Yoruba's alphabets, in written form is fashioned after Oyo's accent which has no effects on the major dialects of Yoruba people as a whole Even the Oyo accent isn't a classical Yoruba dialect but the Eastern Yorubas dialects remained the basis for any tangible research, though Oyo is a part of all Yoruba enclave. This is the reason I smiled when you thought Oyo is all in all because oyo isn't. Oyo is actually a later kingdom,after Ufe land,Owu land Sabe,Popo,Óba,Idanre etc. Ufe of 10 thousands years being claimed isn't of Western Africa because no known Yoruba DNA is traceable to west Africa. Beside, Egypt's chronology which is the prideof Africa isn't even 10 thousands years old.Therefore, claims as being spread by Yoruba chronologist is inconsistent. But my claim tally with Mesepotemia and Egypts claim era as the period of Yoruba people's history. |
| Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 7:50am On May 06, 2019 |
Separateways:Please do because, I am a bit learned on the subject matter you posited,even if I know that Yoruba migrated from Middle East through Nile Valley then to Yoruba land in different migration Waves,which some Yoruba scholars doubted because of lack of ‘assumably evidence'. This migration of this yoruba is about +-5,500 years ago in totaling. Again,let me share one more example with you 1. Wu is also(desire/want ) and does not mean,‘ rise'. 5. Sín or sen is a later created word for worship. The classical Yoruba word for worship is : Bó: ( worship).  Again, you kept inferring on what you don't know. Trust me the first Odudua was a priest who cast lot(ifa). Today,Araba is the over title of the highest priesthood lineage in ‘lot cast' ,who are known as Olifa, Onifa, Adafa,Adifa. Contrary to your assertion,the descendant of Oduduwa who became a king used the their ancestors name as a Title . So, the actual Odudua wasnt alive during Islamic uprising but his descendant. Now,there was a JEWISHman who was king during the era of Islam around Araba,who persecuted both christians and Islmaic preachers. Kindly google on it or get the book about this event in middle East.Secondly,Ifa initiate is actually for descendants of Odudua,Obatala etc. Importantly, Ifa is a pathfinder to thr descendants of Odudua,which is the reason for ypu to do more research on Àbó Oré/ Moré / Oré in Yoruba land so that you will realise that Oré worship is not affiliated to Islamic religion.If you need consult middle East on the same subject matter,then kindly find out who worshipped and what happened in Mount More-Moreh-Moriah in Hebrew's early years. Note: Peradventure, you are a lecturer who intend to write about Yoruba people and in need of information, then I can refer you to some few people on here. |
| Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 9:42pm On May 05, 2019 |
Separateways:What you compared had been done by me in the past. So, it is not ancient Egyptians language but Coptic Egyptians language. So, If you desire to know more about ancient Kmt,then do great study . Anyway,Kudos to you for these post but you can actually do better because : 1. Wu in Yoruba is (uproot). . And apart from this definition, the diacritic on it determine the pronunciation and its different meanings. Besides, the others you mentioned do have in them different meaning as well. Too numerous to mention for me.On other postulations , you are actually day dreaming on Yoruba religion as it regard Islam. Kindly read up reason Islamic war broke out between Ilorin Yorubas and other Yorubas.So don't be ignorant! |
| Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 9:23pm On May 05, 2019 |
Ignorance kills and being absolute ignorant kills absolutely! |
| Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 6:45pm On May 05, 2019 |
Opiletool:Well, I guess that's him for us. No big deal though. |
| Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 7:56am On May 05, 2019 |
Separateways:Well, I don't expect you to care because you don't know much of these things. Kindly allow me to pass these information to you and your likes as follows: 1. Horus of egypt was worshipped in Egypt but isn't related to Yoruba's mode of worship because Horus remained nothing to Yoruba cosmology except being known in Yoruba language as Ooorun( sun). 2. Where did you get it that Oya is the most powerful Orisha? Wonders shall never end. Kindly study the actual the Oya in Yoruba's cosmology and compare her with Ori before you conclude because you are wrong! The greatest orisha is Ori; Eledaa is what you need Sir. Plainly the Eledaa(creator) is the most powerful Orisha. 3. The light bearer is Ela; Orunmiela( heaven broke forth and light descended) and not your view. That's the Yesu(Hebrew) and Esu(Yoruba). He is called the prince of mid air in Ifa corpus and onibode òrun(entrance to heaven) 4. Find out more on Olokun,Osun,Esinmirin history in Yoruba legends,so that you will realise that there many waters in Yoruba cosmology. 5. Sufism, is known but not from Egypt but of Arab's origin, which was brought into existence by prophet muhammed. Islam herself originated in Mecca and Medina at the start of the 7th century, which i600 years after the founding of Christianity. Do you know not the archeological evidences of Sphinx? Please save me your view 6. Look at your ignorance? Ram is a no go area for sacrifices in ancient Egypt but a must for Yoruba sacrifices. How do you relate these two culture that seeemingly look alike in the surface with each other but different on ritual? Ifa is ephod; lot cast. And not of any Egyptian origin. 7.oduddua-obatala,obawinrin etc isn't the bone of contention. Even a German professor once constructed the migration patterns of Yorubas in folds.So it is not the fundamental here. 8.Interestingly, the people you thought are aborigines of the land are also migrants. Well,show us the tradition of these people that existed at par with non yoruba.In actual fact, Ife didn't exist ,likewise Ooni didn't. You can context it. But the truth is there for all to see 9. Quran is fashioned in the like manner of Bible,which involves prayer. Many of these accounts that one need close relationship with Eluron(lord-God) are found in the Ifa corpus (verses found in Ifa). 10. Pedophiles are as evil as any other crimes committed by mankind. Reason being that God want humans to be sin free and be able to communicate at ease with him. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Alaafin Sets The Record Straight, Refutes Ooni's Claim On Yoruba Ancestral Ties by Olu317(m): 1:58pm On May 04, 2019 |
goalernestman:Unfortunately, you kept informing wrongly on East of Yoruba's historical and memorable migration information, which was the actual Middle East in Asia which is in present day Near East . Anyway, I won't stop correcting people like you because of future references. First of all, there was nothing like Benin in Igododmigodo before emergence of Odudua descendants.Secondly, the word ‘Benin' was solely a Yoruba word which is an ancient Hebrew word.Thirdly radiocarbon does not support Igodomigodo because your iron development era came through Yoruba's Ufeland after Yoruba's inquest into West Africa's Igoddomigodo,which is the reason Okiokpagha Treaty is reenacted between Oranmiyan-Eweka1 descendants and Ogiso-Ogiamen descendants exists in Edoland. Now,“Archaeological sites in the Niger Delta show that advanced economic development began much earlier there than elsewhere in West Africa. This is seen in early use of metallurgy. At one metallurgical complex, dated to 765 BC, iron ore was smelted in furnaces measuring a meter wide. The molten slag was drained through conduits to pits, where it formed blocks weighing up to 43-47 kg. The operating temperatures are estimated to have varied between 1,155 and 1,450 degrees C (Holl, 2009). Some radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009). This metallurgy is unusual not only in its early date for West Africa but also in its subsequent development, which reached a high level of sophistication despite a lack of borrowing from metallurgical traditions in the Middle East and Europe. This may be seen in more than 700 artefacts of bronze, copper, and iron recovered from the Igbo-Ukwu site and dated to the 9th century AD: They are the oldest bronze artifacts known in West African and were manufactured centuries before the emergence of other known bronze producing centers such as those of Ife and Benin." So, as you can see,Ibo-Igbo had established iron ore development before Igodomigodo and thus the Yoruba's migration to this part of West Africa with her visual Terracotta work helped differentiates these Artistic works from Ibos-Igbos of Nigeria. |
| Culture › Re: Alaafin Sets The Record Straight, Refutes Ooni's Claim On Yoruba Ancestral Ties by Olu317(m): 10:55am On May 04, 2019 |
capitalzero:Well, you can ascribe anywhere to me but one thing is certain about Odudua descendants which is based on geneaology that suggests them having names that are linked to them through their ancestors, peculiar ancestors form of worship,certain names they bear and dont bear. After all, Oranmiyan became famed because he came back from his sojourning to rule Ufe,which actually is a fact. The land of Ufe was where he died and his sword begun being used as the symbol of authority. From the period of his death, and forever, his warrior nature is associated to Vulture in Ufe and fearless, which is also associated to his warrior alike descendants panegyric,wherever they are being located in Yoruba land or anywhere else,they are found. Myth can be relative because no one alive was born in that period,so Ooni can not be too sure of what he was told by his counsels. This also is likened to Obalufon being called the man who brought famed iron manufacturing to the Yoruba's. But how ironic can this saying be around 12th century that both oranmiyan and he lived? Interestingly, the Opa oranmiyan was said to have been built before 12th century in Yoruba land of Ufe,with a lot of long iron nails inserted into the oranmiyan's Obelisk...The question is: How did Obalufon became the innovator of iron nails that's not of his ancestors? In fact, Ogun cylindrical obelisk is also in Ufe, which was before Opa Oranmiyan's. All these obelisk are the strength of Odudua and descendants writing. So myth exist but many of these myth are actually inconsistent with the truth because, many names being borne during that era were names of God. The reality is that Ibos-Igbo of Eastern Nigeria aren't Ubo-Igbo yorubas and need not be credited to being associated with wealth of Yorubas. It is totally sacrilegious to debased Odudua as not being the wealthiest and strongest man during his era. If this man and his group known in history as adorned in robe(apron wearers),then Igbo of Eastern region is faux as being claimed. What has Yoruba's iná (light) and Igbo's Okwu (light) has in common? 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Alaafin Sets The Record Straight, Refutes Ooni's Claim On Yoruba Ancestral Ties by Olu317(m): 9:58pm On May 03, 2019 |
capitalzero:I am sure because igunugun (vulture) isn't assocaited with any royal families of any eastern ibos-igbo language as it is in oranmiyan and Obalufon descendant panegyric. The panegyric of these people in ancient ufe clashed in their descendants panegyric,even outside Ufe,despite, their reunification. Obviously, panegyric don't lies...... vulture is a terrible bird that's revere in Yoruba worldview and in ancient World... 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Alaafin Sets The Record Straight, Refutes Ooni's Claim On Yoruba Ancestral Ties by Olu317(m): 9:48pm On May 03, 2019 |
Eberejesus111:Sir, truthfully,no man is Almighty God nor perfect as this creator, so,I can err too, but when I read what Ooni said, I was lost of words for days on such ambiguous statement. Anyway, the deed had been done. And only God will correct the error.This doesn't mean, Yoruba aren't related to Eastern ibos-igbos through intermarriages but not on AJE. 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Alaafin Sets The Record Straight, Refutes Ooni's Claim On Yoruba Ancestral Ties by Olu317(m): 9:34pm On May 03, 2019 |
Eberejesus111:Sorry sir I know because I am Oranmiyan's patrilineal bloodline. Thank you. 3 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Alaafin Sets The Record Straight, Refutes Ooni's Claim On Yoruba Ancestral Ties by Olu317(m): 9:28pm On May 03, 2019*. Modified: 12:33pm On May 05, 2019 |
capitalzero:...... Oniorisa Enitan Ogunwus is wrong,no matter how anyone see it. Obalufon1 was christened o gbo gbo d'rin ( became aged and turned to iron),when he ruled. Meanwhile, it was during this era Oranmiyan left Ufe on sojourning to the places like Usen-Igodomigodo and O yo ru Oba where he reigned as kings before he returned back during the reign of Obalufon II era that he, Oranmiyan wrestled the power back to Ogun, who was a descendant of Odudua dynasty. It was during this era that massive movement outward Ufe by some rebels, who were later called Igbo of Yoruba's origin. How did Ibo of Eastern people of modern Nigeria became members of Yoruba dynasty? Yoruba and Ibos didn't have same Lexicons over 1000+ years ago and before. It is unfortunate for such information to have come out through the most revered throne in Yoruba land. It is quite unfortunate! 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Culture › Re: Elijah Muhammad Prophesied Correct Asia Would Rise First by Olu317(m): 7:23pm On May 03, 2019 |
Separateways:No one detested sango but only hated by those who are envious of his mystical powers and his furry because he was a temperamental mortal that lived and died,which actually meant Élú Ko so(king or lord didn't hung on the tree). Unfortunately some people coopted sango into Oranfe's alike personality; light of the vast land in ancient Yoruba worldview which is God in English and created a myth around him. Again, you need to understand that the most significant among the elements of life to Yoruba cosmology is associated with water and not fire......It is even in the ritual (incantation) words which says,‘ omí ni pá oro ina( the fiery fire is subdued with water),which clearly showcase the importance of water than fire Despite the fact that no people on this surface of the earth own sango but Yorubas and not a king of sun because Yoruba have no king of the sun in our tradition or mythology. So the thundering force that was exhibited by sango to fight can and has been curbed since time immemorial,so Yoruba know the intricacies that is involved and not what you think as it seems before you.No one can take a way what is of Yoruba origin. Lastly, the religion of Yoruba's isn't Islam but of older religion of ancient Hebrew. Please, kindly research Yorubas Èsù— oni ibodè orùn( saviour,guidance and entrance personality to heaven,who allows any mortal that God permit to enter) versus Hebrew's Yesu( saviour,entrance to heaven who is through one can enter heaven). After studying these two personalities ,then you will realise,Islam was given birth to through ancient Hebrews religion at the time Aramaic was spoken in the land of Araba and through its original foundation, which is Yoruba religion that came through Ifa—ephod. And ifa—ephod came through Yoruba's orun-mi-ela and the ancient Hebrew urim-ela.These words both are cognates. Both identify with,’ to cast lot' Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Could This Be The True Meaning Of 'NIGERIA'? A White Man Explains by Olu317(m): 6:14pm On May 02, 2019 |
Separateways:Kindly revisit what you posted at first in Hebrew's alphabets on your position on so that you can understand.because you whimp up sentiments as if Egypt was Yoruba? like I have mentioned earlier, you blundered on the alphabets of ancient Hebrew because there are differences in some letters of Hebrews that didn't fit into Kemet-Egypt alphabets. Contrary to your view, sango was not as you portrayed him because he fought for security of his people and abhorred lies,which made him very confrontational with those close to him,even with his own flaws. Please don't confuse yourself over sango's personality. You aren't close to him nor related to his ancestral bloodline. Unfortunately, you got it wrong because I seek no glory of my own but posit my ancestors as who they wre and mot egocentric people who did their things as creator had ordained them. Yorubas don't represent Africa but the WORLD.... YORUBA LANGUAGE IS THE RITUAL LANGUAGE GOD SPOKE TO ABRAHAM! Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Could This Be The True Meaning Of 'NIGERIA'? A White Man Explains by Olu317(m): 6:12pm On May 02, 2019 |
Separateways:Kindly revisit what you posted at first in Hebrew's alphabets on your position on so that you can understand.because you whimp up sentiments as if Egypt was Yoruba? |
| Culture › Re: Could This Be The True Meaning Of 'NIGERIA'? A White Man Explains by Olu317(m): 3:44pm On May 02, 2019 |
Foolishwisdom:I have no intention to proof anything to you or anyone else on egocentrism but to inform on accurate Hebrew words discovered since 1905 because this platform cut across the globe. So, I don't know where ‘nun' stand for water in ancient Hebrew except it is not Hebrew pictograph's you inferred . In actual fact, if you are kingsango then you blundered beyond redemption because the hebrew picture of nun is ‘SEED' which has been transcribed as Continue,Heir, Son. There is no need for self defence because you blundered on ‘nun', and If you seek whaetever first language as your own ‘nun', then it is not ancient Hebrew, which was what was posted by kingsango. So therefore, I hope you won't let pride get hold of you since there are 1000+ people who know more than you and I in this world we live in . Hitherto, don't posit as if you are correct.. Interestingly, you are Afrocentric and am not because my-our own ancestors(ancient Yorubas),known as ‘gods' —orisha, know no colour but have respect for well behave people they encountered. Cheers. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Could This Be The True Meaning Of 'NIGERIA'? A White Man Explains by Olu317(m): 6:31pm On May 01, 2019 |
KingSango:‘M' is mem in Hebrew's pictographs and not ‘n' : which symbolises forth and back movement of water,chaotic, blood |
| Culture › Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by Olu317(m): 10:20am On May 01, 2019 |
goalernestman:I hope you won't quote me anymore on Oranmiyan because you people are ruled by a YORUBA Prince from Uleufe. Kindly go through the suppression of truth by Oba Erediuwa in 1979, after he had reenacted the Okiokpagha Treaty! Courtesy: Prince oba loye to the voice of Omo'ba Onijebu. RECENT LITIGATION BETWEEN OGISO DYNASTY AND ODUDUA DYNASTY RECENT LITIGATION BETWEEN OGISO DYNASTY AND ODUDUA DYNASTY IN BENIN KINGDOM The greatest undoing of a man is to deny his ancestral root over pride! So is the seemingly case of the descendants of the yoruba ruling class in Benin who tried so much to deny their historical link to Yoruba people by claiming odudua was an Ogiso prince who fled to ileife and became a king. Unfortunately the Ogiso dynasty,whose descendants are the Ogiamen have these evidence to share at the supreme court of Nigeria which clearly shows the power tussle between they, the descendants of Ogiso versus Oba Eweka1 of Benin land and descendants who are descendants of Oranmiyan from Ufe land, who are strangers in Benin and remained odudua descendants of Yoruba origin from UleIfe.... “The original history has it that the Ogiso group migrated from Ife forest land". Ogiso dynasty which ”initially belonged to Obatala controlled group, was successfully subjugated and subsumed to Odudua authority by the Royal Troupe from the ancient UFE land , led by Prince Oranmiyan in the then 11th/12th century." The case: There was a case involving the self acclaimed Ogiamen imperial Majesty , Rich Arisco Osemwengie JP OGISO FAMILY AND OBA OF BENIN TRADITIONAL COUNCIL,at the adoption of Briefs in the supreme court of Nigeria. Obviously one can clearly call it a dangerous sacrilegious display against the oba of Benin at the Supreme Court premises in Abuja. But whatever happened, every born descendants have right to protect their family heritage and dignity. At the Supreme court in Abuja; Justice Jimi Olukayode of Appeal Court in his Judgement in the Appeal Case No: CA/B/99/2016, dated Wednesday 16th Day of November 2016 ruled that : ‘It is my humble view that the Ogiamen of Benin Chieftaincy is one of the recognised instruments (M.S.L.N 37 of 1968). The Ogiso/Ogiamen Royal Dynasty stool came into existence in 9th century AD. 300 Years after, in 12th Century AD ,when Obaship was forcefully introduced by Ule Ufe via the MEMORABLE EKIOKPAGHA TREATY. In 1979,Oba Erediauwa singlehandedly and secretly used the instrumentality of government at his disposal WITHOUT the KNOWLEDGE OF THE ABORIGINE BENIN and consultation with THE GREAT OGIAMEN ROYAL FAMILY, which is provided for, under the provision of section 5(1) & (2) and section 27(1) of the traditional Rulers and chiefs Law of 1979 and section 36 of the constitution of the federal Republic of Nigeria in 1999 as ammended,included the Ogiamen Royal stool that has already been gazetted as a TRADITIONAL RULER(M.S.L.N 37 of 1968) by the Mid-western state of Nigeria into the repealed chiefs Law(Cap 37) of the traditional Rulers and Chiefs Edicts of 1979,FIVE MONTH after, he, OBA EREDIAUWA had REENACTED THE EKIOKPAGHA TREATY with OGIAMEN OSAROBO OKUONGHAE before the confirmation by the Edo state government as the new Oba of Benin kingdom, which only came to our Court 1,Benin City, in which our Majesty and chief Patrick Osabuohien,the oliha of utatan,Benin kingdom were charged for illegal installation and remanded to OKO PRISON for almost TWO months before both of them were allowed BAIL ,that led to the case in the SUPREME COURT. Inspite of this, the Appeal Court Ruled that the OGIAMEN ROYAL FAMILY: WENT TO SLEEP SINCE 1979 AND WOKE UP IN 2015,which is over 37 years after the cause of action arose. Went to sleep Indeed! For the action against the aborigine of BENIN AND OGIAMEN ROYAL DYNASTY which OBA EREDIAUWA KEPT SECRET TO HIMSELF ALONE SINCE 1979 ,which we did not know until September 2015 and again, the COURT of APPEAL ruled that the Ogiamen Royal Dynasty is therefore guilty of inordinate delay in bringing the action to ventilate their grievances. However, despite this pronouncement,the judgement of Justice Olukayode Baba and the letter WRITTEN TO US by Oba EREDIUWA, Ref:BTC/A7/3/Vol.1x/205, dated March 15th 2016 in which Oba EREDIUWA recognised UTANTAN ,BENIN KINGDOM AND OGIAMEN ROYAL STOOL GAZETTED (M.S.L.N 37 of 1979) as a DISTINCT ROYAL STOOL Thus,this confirmed that 1. That Oba Oba Erediuwa singlehandedly changed the law of midwetern state of Nigeria into the repeal chiefs law (cap37) of the traditional Rulers chiefs Edict of 1979, which was done five months after he,Oba Erediuwa had reenacted the Ekiokpagha Treaty. 2. Ogiamen Royal dynasty ,Utantan ,Bini kingdom is an autonomous Royal family, which is distnc from Oba of Benin 3. That the Ogiamen Royal dynasty ,Utantan Benin Kingdom is therefore the aboriginal Benin 4. That the Ogiamen Royal Dynasty ,Utantan,Benin Kingdom is the Oba's lessor; 5. That the Ogiamen Royal dynasty,Utantan,Benin kingdom is the authentic Ogiso dynasty 6.Confirm that the existence of the memorable Ekiokpagha Treaty that created the two Royal dynasties in Igodomigodo ,that is the Ogiamen Royal Dynasty as Utantan ,Benin kingdom and Oba Eweka1. Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Ogun: The Only Yoruba Word, With 10 Meanings by Olu317(m): 8:15am On May 01, 2019 |
acounter2:Atimes,to wriggle out tension,one can make things look easy as it seems on here but considering, the wider range of this platform, a lot of people may actually think, the information above is true.Unfortunately, it is not accurately correct because these words you highlighted aren't HOMONYM but HOMOGRAPH.The reason being that most of the words you shared are not pronounced alike. In fact, the ‘o' is stretched in many of the words you posted,while some don't have ‘o' On your question: The letter ‘o' is interchangeably with ‘è in majority of the Yoruba dialects'. Thus, it does stand for third person singular in the manner you used it in the case of ,‘stab'. Plainly, if it has accents/diacritic sign, then the speakers,who knows each word would laught it off because each word in Yoruba is heavily enshrined in diacritic for you to be able to read its acent to understand it perfectly. Below is what you try to posit,which is a phrase. So also a Yoruba dictionary produced in 1913 and it has in it,the two words you researched. ‘O' Yoruba: O Meaning: he/she Yoruba: Gún Meaning: stab(s),pierce Yoruba : O gún Meaning: he/she stabs. Yoruba : Gùn Meaning: Climb Cheers 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Culture › Re: Ooni Ogunwusi: Igbos Are From Ile-Ife - Ohanaeze Kicks by Olu317(m): 7:55am On Apr 26, 2019 |
macof:Ife was ancestral link name to oshin-Elufin-odudua's group because, it is a word found in Ifa corpuses. Interestingly, ifa is verses of words of yoruba ancient ancestors, which were given to them by God,that is meant to heal,correct,encourage, seek the face of one's Creator etc.Thus, the man named Oshin and his group brought the language to the site renamed Ileife, which is the reason the construction of Opa Ornamiyan and Ogun obelisks represent their spoken language pictographs etc,which meant to be deciphered. Then Ile(land,),ere (muddy land) ,era (swampy land)etc are actual words from odudua group. No one actually know th name of ancient place called Ileife in Nigeria because it has gone with the whirlwind. Furthermore, the following are the meaning of OOdè : Oodè/Odè : it is ‘base' or foundational settlement. ‘Odè' : it is another settlement renamed as one's or clan's base which is outside ,the original homeland. Odè: to go out for an outing in another base. Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Oduduwa Was Not Igbo Prince – Oluwo Of Iwo by Olu317(m): 7:26am On Apr 26, 2019 |
fairfora:And what do Yoruba and Ibos have in common from your research? Kindly post the Oriki of Ibos of Eastern Nigeria on here. Thank you. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:20pm On Apr 25, 2019 |
2prexios:My view on this Celt are as follows 1. I deduced the history of Celts across Northern Europe and environs, showed there were people around 300s BCE that moved from Middle East,with the named Ibri,Hiber or Eber,Ebora etc, which Plutarch connected the Hyperboreans with the Gauls who had sacked Rome in the 300s BCE. And these people have been identified with the Celts and Scandinavians.The early Greeks thus identified the northern peoples as Hyperboreans meaning Hebrews. 2. That they (or their Roman successors) also equated the Israelites with descendants of Cronus (Saturn) whom they said had been exiled from the Middle East and gone to live on one of the British Isles. This legend reflects the Exile of the Ten Tribes of Israel who went to the west and a portion of whom from an early date did indeed settle in Britain. Unfortunately, these people only know the named ancestor as Iber,Hiber,Eber,Ebora,etc but don't know the meaning, until the defined meaning as pass over,migrants, nomadic people etc. And from the odu Ifa that you based the narrative of ebora, as being victimised,could be termed to be an abnormal man, perhaps with skin discoloration(albinism),which the onifa/Olifa/adifa, advised him to brace up for the challenge by using a weapon to fight any man who look down on him with disgust and harassment, from wheresoever.... However, my submission is that Éba - Iba and Ibri,Hiber,Ebora may actually be words that grow out of the same root. While its meaning has been unable to deduce by some of the migrants party whose ancestors didn't have the opportunity to reveal the meaning as a probable reason beyond our immediate knowledge. In all of this,it is also same problem associated with yoruba of today whose original history is in obscurity. Even to have become embarrassment that the most respect king in the whole of Yoruba land can't even realise the gravity of making mistake is non forgivable in Yoruba Nation. Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Igbo, Original Owners Of Ile-ife .... Ohanaeze Kicks by Olu317(m): 9:46am On Apr 25, 2019 |
I find it hard to believe Ooni Ogunwusi could uttter unverifiable information about Ibos as owner of Ileife.Perhaps, we will hear the actual meaning of Ibo-igbo from Ohaneze..... It is indeed pathetic. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 1:03pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
2prexios:Complement of the season to you. And I have seen it. Quite voluminous though I will go through it. Thanks Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Ejire Ara Isokun! Where Exactly Is Isokun? by Olu317(m): 11:40pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
ladionline:Hmmm,I didn't see this coming but it is quite educative. So I say, more wisdom Sir from above. |
| Culture › Re: Oruko, Oriki And Orile, The Genius Of The Yoruba In Human Nomenclature by Olu317(m): 7:31am On Apr 18, 2019 |
@ ayodeleadeniran, I stumbled on this thread and find it very instructive and riddled with befitting information. Thus, I appreciate this unique idea of yours that uphold Yoruba's identity, which we all taken with levity. God bless you. Cheers. 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:47pm On Apr 17, 2019 |
Unexpectedly, BOT has become a problem for posting on NL,which is the reason we need the attention of the Moderators on this forum. I hope anyone who intend to post on this platform should follow this method that has helped me out despite my long typed messages which resulted into this problem. Perhaps, you should follow this instruction as follow: 1. Type your messages 2. While typing, make sure you are 98% to end your typing. 3. Then copy your typed messages. 4. Go back to the quoted messages or to the main post if you didn't quote anyone 5. Thereafter, go forth to the space meant for creating new thread and paste the 98% messages of yours. 6. Complete it up with your remaining 2% to make your messages 100% good to go! 7. Post it. Cheers |
| Culture › Re: Ooni Of Ife Confirms Eze Chima Obatala Migrated From Ife To Benin To Igbo Land by Olu317(m): 8:55pm On Apr 15, 2019 |
igbodefender:The difference is that one as pronounced as IleIfe is of Oyo enclave pronunciation which is taught in school while the latter is older and being retained in other Yoruba enclaves . The Oyo dialect is the one you all are used to,which is differ from older dialects that's still be spoken in Yoruba villages....I hope you know that Oyo dialect is not superior to any other dialect in Yoruba land. And the only difference is the accent. |
| Culture › Re: Ooni Of Ife Confirms Eze Chima Obatala Migrated From Ife To Benin To Igbo Land by Olu317(m): 11:08am On Apr 15, 2019 |
funmijoyb:Thank you and God bless you. The Igbo-Ibo is A distinct group from Bantuoid of Eastern Nigeria. The name Igbo-Ibo is meaningless in the Eastern Nigeria ,except it is used as a prefix or suffix with any other word in the Eastern Nigeria.The Yoruba Ugbo-Ubo came into being during Oranmiyan era ,when civil war broke out in Ule Ife which was due to power tussle as well as economic bouyancy of IleIfe, which was between Odua descendants-group and Obatala( a man and not God) group. This was the time Ugbo became a name,that was used to describe marauders, who looked like elfs when their bodies are wrapped with raffia(mariwo).Thus, Moremi, saved the Ufe people through her discovery of these Ufe rebels brandishing as elfs hat emigrated out of Ufe during Oranmiyan era. And they were eventually defeated through the path they hid in the bush when the bush were lit.... Unfortunately, the Ooni's statement isn't from him but his advisers that are supposedly history knowledgeable and hellbent in misleading him because the present day Ooni, actually knows nothing much about Yoruba history for him to misinterpreted ugbo as Ibo-Ugbo. Cheers 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Ooni Of Ife Confirms Eze Chima Obatala Migrated From Ife To Benin To Igbo Land by Olu317(m): 11:07am On Apr 15, 2019 |
funmijoyb:Thank you and God bless you. The Igbo-Ibo is A distinct group from Bantuoid of Eastern Nigeria. The name Igbo-Ibo is meaningless in the Eastern Nigeria ,except it is used as a prefix or suffix with any other word in the Eastern Nigeria.The Yoruba Ugbo-Ubo came into being during Oranmiyan era ,when civil war broke out in Ule Ife which was due to power tussle as well as economic bouyancy of IleIfe, which was between Odua descendants-group and Obatala( a man and not God) group. This was the time Ugbo became a name,that was used to describe marauders, who looked like elfs when their bodies are wrapped with raffia(mariwo).Thus, Moremi, saved the Ufe people through her discovery of these Ufe rebels brandishing as elfs hat emigrated out of Ufe during Oranmiyan era. And they were eventually defeated through the path they hid in the bush when the bush were lit.... Unfortunately, the Ooni's statement isn't from him but his advisers that are supposedly history knowledgeable and hellbent in misleading him because the present day Ooni, actually knows nothing much about Yoruba history for him to misinterpreted ugbo as Ibo-Ugbo. Cheers 1 Like |
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