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igbodefender:
The Ooni is just being truthful, and his truthfulness about Igbos being Aborigines of Ile Ife will lead to a boost in tourism in his kingdom.

Olugbo, formerly Olu Igbo of Igbo Ora, formerly Obawinrin of Ile Ife, is also truthful in his claims that his Ugbo people were Aborigine of Ile Ife. In fact, Olugbo was a high chief in Ife in those days.

Olowu who is a child of Obatala and Oduduwa's first child Princess Okanbi Iyunade also has a strong claim. Olowu has stated that there are Owu communities in Igbo Land.

Eze China Obatala who formed many Igbo communities across the Niger Delta and South East following Oduduwa's displacement of Igbos from Ife, and Ojiso Owodo's Benin campaign cannot be left out.

Stop making Ibos as part of Yoruba history.. It won't work. The Yoruba knew Ibos of the eastern Nigeria not until slave trade era. How can Ibos be part of yoruba people when ibos practised Parliamenterian system and not monarchy system? Have you suddenly forgotten Ibo history,according to the easterner Ibos?

Keep away from Yoruba history, even if the present day Ooni delve into what he didn't do proper research on. Chima or whatever name he bore was around 13th-14th century,which was at the time Odudua didn't exist, Ogun didn't exist,Oranmiyan didn't exist, Eweka didnt even exist.....etc! What is your point? Ibo/Igbo has no meaning in the Eastern Nigeria, except it is used as prefix to another word,while it is a stand alone word in Yoruba lexicon.Perhaps,Yoruba brought the language along too? Quite a funny lad.

@absolutesuccess,
It is being a while and I hope you and your family are good.

On the ‘aege' name as having cognate with Ògè which has a meditterean origin may actually be a drift away of the levant word that the Yoruba were obviously acquainted with when they were once called I(U)bri-I(U)bhri-I(U)'vri-Hebrew. Perhaps, *Ebora*, was actually the Mediterranean name ofthe Yoruba's of today. Although, I know the meaning of *Ebora* - *Ubora* but since, it has no known cognate with any reconstructed word from the western-Hebrew related researchers,thus, I keep for now until I make my case in the international scene.

As far as this word is concern, I am familar with it because I have studied this word in the past and its Hebrew's version, which is actually spelt in the following as with her comparison with Yoruba's:

Hebrew: ge'ah
Phonetic: gay-aw
Meaning: pride,arrogant

Yoruba: ogè
Meaning: when a young lady in her prime age flaunt her beauty with dignity , arrogant

Igbo: oge
Meaning:time ×

Having this word's knowledge ,is to specifically say this that lot of words were shared during the era of Kemet's-Ethiopia's,Nubian'-Mediterranean in which Greek word ,Persian's,Latin-Roman's were used interchangeably by these occupiers of that fertile land.

Suffice I infer that English language,is the beneficiary of many Yoruba words in today's world through King James I of England which seem as if it is the other way round,when one find cognates among these two languages....




Cheers

Hello Konquest,
Hope you are doing excellently great.Well,seeing it as uncanny can be quite a ‘compliment', from a scholarly guru as yourself and others, if I must honest ,but truthfully, unraveling the mysterious hidden identity as well as the ancestors of yorubas is what I intend to do,which is the reason this research work is very important to us all,if you share my view.

Now, in the book of Gen 1vs 1-3, has a description of the creating power of God of the Hebrew. This was an amazement when I discovered these information in description of the exact Creation of heaven and earth in an IFA corpus. And it goes thus:

Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda:
There-were-no-living-things
Was the priest on earth
That-which-was-suspended
But-did-not-descend
Was the priest in heaven
All-was-just-empty-space
With-no-substance
Was the priest of Mid-Air
It was divined for Aiye and Orun*
When they both exited
With no inhabitants
In the two empty snail shells,
There were neither birds nor spirits
Living in them
Odumare then created himself
Being the Primal cause
Which is the reason we call Odumare
The only wise one in aiye
He is the only cause in creation,
The only wise one in Orun,
Who created humans.
When He had no companion,
He applied wisdom to the situation
To avert any disaster.
You, alone,
The only one in Orun
Is the name of Odumare
The only wise one,
We give you thanks,
The only knowing mind,
You created man.
Listening to one side of an argument,
You judge, and all are pleased.
Ase.

Interestingly, the priest of heaven is ‘Ela'. Who is Ela in the yoruba belief and Hebrew's ?

First,in Odu Osa Ogunda is where Ela comes in,
In which a part of a verse says, “Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.” The dew drops are particles of Oro – primordial matter - contained in the snail shell. Once empty, it remains as the representation of the base of causation from which matter derived. The “goodness” speaks to eniyan – human beings, which brought goodness to earth. The oro then melted and was suspended in mid-air (referred to in the above Odu verse as the “priest of mid-air”). Oro then dropped;
Oro, the cause of great concern for the wise and experienced elders
It sounds, “Ku” (making the heart miss a beat)
“Ke” (as a ponderous object hitting the ground)
“Gi” (making the last sound before silence)
and “La”, with a loud cracking sound is transformed into a new state called “Ela.” Ela is the complex of Orunmila

This is the biblical ‘word' of God which is the spirit of the lord which said, ‘ let the light be and the light came forth' through the voice of God, according to the Bible in Genesis 1 vs1-3 and In John 1 vs1-5 it says it all; ‘In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God'. Interestingly, the classic Hebrew owns a word called ‘Urim'-Ur-Or, which means light ,which has same cognate with Yoruba's Orun and with exact meaning. From which Urim-elah (light of God) is creating spirit of God. This Ur was a replical word for light on earthly land where Biblical Abraham was born which was known as Ur/Or in Summer land around the present day of Iraq. This same place was the place the ancient Hebrew once lived at one time and span beyond present day Palestine land

Tobuttess on this Hebrew and Yoruba connection is the reason I consider the Kemet cognates with Yoruba which made Bolaji Idowu and Al Iori propounded Arab and Kemet origin of Yorubas. Bolaji Idowu clained over 500 words of coptic Kemet lexicon in yoruba language qnd AlIlori claims 1/3 of Arabic is loaned into Yoruba. So, Kindly note the cognates in these following shared words:

1. Yoruba: rán
Meaning: brightness of the sun

Kemet:Ra
Meaning:sun/daylight

2.Yoruba: érán
Meaning: ram,meat; generally name for animals

Kemet: Ra
Meaning: ram-ramheaded man


3. Yoruba: Orún
Meaning: sunlight, daylight

Hebrew: or
Meaning: sunlight, daylight

.Kemet:Heru
Meaning:Face of the sun

Greek:Horu(s)
Meaning: lord of Horizon.The Horizon being known to be the Kemet land known as, land of the rising sun

Ibo: Okhu
Meaning: light ×

4. Yoruba: orù
Meaning: emission of the sunlight causing heat

Hebrew: or
Meaning: emission of the sunlight causing heat

Arabic: شَمْس‎ (šams)şems ×
from Proto-Semitic śamš
Meaning: sunlight, light

As you can see,from the above, there are words the Arabs didnt have in their lexicon or not as deeply related to yoruba's which pinned down the ancient relationship that connect the Yoruba, Hebrew, Kemet and Arabs. Specifically,the kemet people had once thought ‘Ra', a ram headedman as God, while Yoruba didnt call Ra(éràn) as their God nor have image to represent God but figuratively call, *Elu'orun*- Olorun-Olohun,Eledaa, Eledumare,Eledua( same personality) as their father during calamity or disastrous time, whom the Hebrew also call Elyon as their father (decipher by Western investigators of ancient Hebrew classic language ) .

Infact, Édà is the ancient name of Hebrew and this word exist in Yoruba Ifa corpus as the identity of yoruba person and his/her creator known as Élédà; the Creator. To the extent, that panegyric is made to encourage daily prayer to Eledaa(Ori-creator), in such a way to appease and solidify one's personal relationship with God,so that one can be healthy, devoid of calamity, and prosperous in every sphere of one's life. To this concept , do posit more words with same potent meaning in both Classic Hebrew and shared words with Yoruba in the following:

5. Yoruba: èlè,olè,àlè
Meaning: tough ,trength, wondrous,with power,might

Hebrew:el
Meaning: strength, powerful



6. Yoruba : Èsù(Yeshua)
Yoruba:Olùbodè/Onìbodè Òrun
Meaning: the one who allows or disallow entrance to heaven, guide to heaven when God permit such seeker or not

Hebrew: Yeshua/eshua
Meaning: entrance name to heaven

Arabic: Yusuf
Meaning:* Prophet of God, born with breathe of God ×

The Arab interpretation is not correct because he(Yesu) is known to be more than a prophet

The above you can see, the name ESU and the his position being occupied in Heaven fit accurately to Yesu in the Bible,which make believed that, the perspective of some biased Christiancentric Yoruba people in 1840s upward who muddled up Yoruba people as practising evil tradition in their worship because of repackaged religion of Christianity which was actually a final face of Yoruba religion of IFA. This didnt mean the Yoruba never had it own shortcoming because the way some of the modern day pastors manipulate the biblical doctrine to suit their egocentric nature was the exact manner some Ifa priest did in ancient era. Interestingly, the Ifa corpus on ‘Ori' is totally replicated in the Bible as the epitome of relationship with God is PERSONAL.The highest appeal in this Ori(Eledaa) is an advice, which says,é jé kà fi' Orisa sí'lé ka bò'rí -Élédáà (let's do away with ancestral worship but worship Élédáà) which the Bible agrees with as personal relationship with God . As

The Yoruba ancestors muddled up their tradition somewhere along migration because being stiffnecked and disobedience to their God,which has made the inscription of Opa Oranmiyan and the Ogun inscription mould,impossible to be translated. But,with the help of Ela, the meaning is certainly translatable.

This so Yoruba Christians made the land of our ancestors looked evil,not realising that the Jerusalem is actually the place yoruba replicated wherever they occupy, which is known as Ulè-urisa,Ile-urisa,eleOrisa which was turned to Jerusalem by conqueror of the land during the fall of Hebrew land,where Jerusalem is situated. How is this possible?

The meaning of the Corrupt name of Uresaluem, Jerusalem is actually ,‘the land of the gods.. . As this meaning corroborate the meaning of Ule-urisa in Yoruba lexicon,which is ‘the land of the gods(ancestors); invariable, the land,the lord of their God ,which was given to their ancestors is where they pray unto God through their ancestors.

Basically, I have read about the yoruba DNA traces in Egypt in one of the researchers work. Even at this, Professor David Reich specifically identified Yoruba linkage with some group of Northern European while a recently conducted test done on Yoruba people had a 8% alien ghost Dna West Africa which is not yet with a match. There are many researches being carried out on Yoruba people.

On the Islam aspect is another area I disagreed with many scholars who had thought Islam was the basis of Semitic works language infiltration into Yoruba lexicons because Opa Oranmiyan is far older than Islam and the inscription writing on it,has been adduced in the western world as the ONLY SEMITIC Writing in West Africa because it has Reish/Resh ,which is an ancient Hebrew word for ‘ R' and Yoruba's ‘Rí'/‘Re' so also Hebrew's Yod/Yud,which is a “y” as a consonant or an “iy’ as a vowel. And Yoruba's ‘Yi'/‘Ye'. Thus, it is embarrassing to think Yoruba borrowed all her lexicons from people whose distance is more than 3000 miles apart if Yoruba ancestors weren't from that region. Infact,Yoruba language is actually Semitic origin.

How is this possible?
It is important to bear in mind that the ancient Hebrew was not documented in the early Hebrew but in Aramaic). Thus, every Hebrew interpretation is based on Western researchers, who studied the pictographs of alphabet of ancient Hebrew found in Sinai region which are been used for reconstruction of the language.And based on this, is the reason that many shared words between Yoruba's and semitic people exists. Further examples being shared by Yoruba, Arabic and Hebrew which is as following:

Yoruba : Imu-rá
Meaning: prepare to embark on a journey,dress up to go out on a journey

Arabic: Imra
Meaning: to embark on a journey

Hebrew: ra'a(yim-ra)
Phonetic: raw-ah
Meaning: prepare to embark on a journey

Yoruba: jú,jó,àjó
Meaning: traveling, journey

Hebrew phonetic: goor
Meaning: journey, traveling

Arabic: Hajj
Meaning: journey, traveling

*Take note*: The ancient Hebrew is based on reconstruction because the language speakers could not be found since over 3000-4000+ years ago. In fact, during the era of Jesus-Esu, Aramaic was being spoken,which was a Persian language; arabic related Semitic language.

Allthough credit must be given to wbom thay deserve it,such as Al Ilori, but as far as my research is concerned,the Yoruba developed her language in Semitic land and didnt have many of these words as loaned into her lexicon as being stipulated by Al Ilori Al-Ilori(1987) as being credited to him in his postulations,which in his statement claimed that the present Yoruba tribes were formed from four origins:
1) Negroes,
2) Nubians,
3) Berbers and
4) Arab.

He opines that the last three tribes have dwelled in Egypt, took from their cultures and carried them to Yoruba land. He then gives account that it has remained till now in Yoruba some of Arabic words which are more than one third in which Yoruba speak daily as it has remained in Nubian and Berber languages. Based on the different opinions on the origin of Yoruba and their language, it is apparent that part of Yoruba language did not come from nowhere but seems to be connected with Arabic than any other languages. The statement above showed some semitic influence on the Yoruba's language. But the statement by Al Ilori is quite inconsistent with the year Islam came to Yoruba land around 15th-16th century and by 1650s, the first mosque was built in Iwo .

Interestingly, before this period Semitic words had existed in yoruba land, previewed 1000s of years. How do I mean?

Ifa existed before Islam,so thus the present people called Yoruba. Thus, word such as the following that has cognates with ancient Hebrew before Islam,namely

Yoruba: Sh'ode
Meaning: to hunt

Hebrew: tsade
Meaning: to hunt

Yoruba : Bo'a,Bo
Meaning: Come,return

Hebrew: Bo,Boâ
Meaning: Come,return

Yoruba: Baalé
Meaning: Lord of a town who,oversee the wellbeing of the community, under the overall king of such kingdom

Hebrew :Baal,Baaliy
Meaning: lord of a town

Yoruba: O-Ba,Ba
Meaning: king of a kingdom

Hebrew: Ba
Meaning: King or lord of kingdom, town

From the above, it is obvious Yoruba had Semitic lexicon that existed before Islam and which are the same in cognates and meaning with Hebrew from Near East or Middle East.

On the issue of shared word with neighbouring people such as Nupe(Tapa,Borgu,Igala),Bini,Ibo,who shared lighter Yoruba words are basically as a result of interaction and coincidence. Nothing more. Take for instance, the farther you move away from Kwara-Bida, the spoken yoruba language found in these enclaves dwindled. The same go Bini history and Ibo ,which is attestation that apparently agree with your view and the world notion of migration and intermingling of different people at one time or the other....


Fatigue crept in after this lengthy info.....


Cheers for now.......

What suggest correlation between Isokun and twin is that the twin once sojourned in the place known as Isokun. This is because, ‘Ara Isokun', in this context mean, dwellers or lives or lived in Isokun,but not indigenous to this place. In yoruba folklore,there are places named Isokun .For example, Isokun can be found in, Ijesa, in Oyo, or the one near Porto Novo, in Dahomey,which was the supposedly first place where twins were allowed to stay, and this was because Isokun was not, at that time part of the kingdom of Oyo(folklore). This was how the connection became panegyric of the twin in yoruba world's view to reference, a safe haven for the twin to dwell. This is a coined panegyric for twin to give them supernatural personality; in which they are seen .

But in actual fact, history of twin is in obscurity because a town like Ekimogun claimed being the first city to be established by a twin who became a ruler of the town,whose history is linked to Odua's himself and in another account, a descent of Oluaso who was a descent of Ajaka( Odua descendants). Part of the story has it that twin were being killed and one descendant of Odua or the man himself consulted Ifa, and he was told to keep the twin and had one of the child with him and sent the other away to another town,which was how Ekimogun was established around 14th century or thereabout, which actually didn't make any tangible sense because twin being killed is ne'er traceable to any family in Yoruba folklore. And another conflicting view is that Yoruba people can't actually mention the exact year the stoppage of twin killing in Yoruba land,which buttress, the point that Yoruba lost certain information about themselves via migration....

The feasibility of it may seem herculean task but in reality ,it remain the best option if any ethnic group intend to develop her technological man power. In fact, the language of colonialists have always been detriment against her former colony in such a way which drag the colony backwardly in term of geometric development of such people.

In actual fact, the purpose of colonialism has been achieved greatly because, the colonialists care not on whether her choice of spoken or written language affects the culture of the colony's different kingdoms norm or not or ethnically at loggerhead,with one and other which make it easy for the prying eyes of the colonialists to influence where the colony's focuse is directed. And by so doing, the colony remain a puppet in the hand of the colonialists because there will always be a thwarted effort once the colony intend to make a positive move toward her country's development.

To achieve this indigenous or ethnic language being spoken or written in Africa schools is possible in Africa's perspective if there's the possibility of restructuring ethnic group in all African countries irrespective of spill of some ethnic groups from one country to her proximity's to neighbouring country along ethnic line. Although, it will be tough but it is possible because, a case study is the Yoruba people of Benin Republic (Répubique Du Bénin) and Yoruba's in Togo ,who are now currently clamouring to be part of larger Yoruba nation.

@ konquest, how are you doing? it seems you had BOT problem or something as close to such. Well, I have had such experience in the past and I discovered, it was as a result of long typing minutes, which resulted into this problem. Perhaps, you should follow this instruction as follow:

1. Type your messages

2. While typing, make sure you are 98% to end your typing.

3. Then copy your typed messages.

4. Go back to the quoted messages or to the main post if you didn't quote anyone

5. Thereafter, go forth to the space meant for creating new thread and paste the 98% messages of yours.

6. Complete it up with your remaining 2% to make your messages 100% good to go!

7. Post it.




Cheers

For those of you who see it as strange to accept the weight of Yoruba language that begun in Near East, need not deviate from the purpose of the this thread,‘Ejire ara isokun' .If you find my revelation offensive,then go study please instead of rhetoric with no known destination,so that you can null my information in the eyes of the real scholars and mavens

kayfra:
It is very irritating. I don't know who infected them with the inferiority complex by injecting judeo-christian myths into our our own myths and origins.

inferiority complex? Quite hilarious reading this. Any way, I am bold to stand by what our ancestors have achieved and what they want us to know aboyuylt which was the basis for the artistic work,hieroglyphs and myths.

If I were you,I will ponder why Yoruba isn't the language being used in educational system . I guess, you arent even more passionate and proud about our ancestors spoken ritual language but prefer to develop interest in English language that borrowed Yoruba words and anglicise them.You doubt? Wait for the revelation in years to come.


My actual problem with some of you is that you looked down on Yoruba people as ‘common people' and you are absolutely wrong because here you are with smoothness in rhetoric to call fact finding information as inferiority complex. Give your statement a rethink.

Lastly, I will bow down to your view if you know what is written on Oranmiyan's obelisk(hieroglyphs). So Kindly interpretate it since you think some of us adhered to Judeo-christian theory,which you find offensive. Do you even know Allah was coined from Hebrews-Yoruba's Elah-Ela'?

It is better you glorify God that some people are decoding the code of handwriting of Yoruba ancestors. God continues to bless the legendary Godly yoruba ancestors


Cheers

FOLYKAZE:
This one is mad o.

What has your tantrum added to this thread? The last time I check you are not the op nor did I quote you. Abeg take your madness elsewhere

That's exactly your type who has no reason being on thread as this because you are a young person and type trash on a thread meant to educate people.And as expected, you have shown how trained you're with vain terminology. Trust me, there is always a remedy from the moderators who ought bring sanity so that people like you need be allowed to rest for some days before you mess up this chatroom outrightly.

FOLYKAZE:
Wetin consign Ibeji with Isaac nitori Ọlọ́run?

The way you guys infuse Yoruba legends into your foreign religion is alarming.

First it is Esu been Satan

Oduduwa from mecca

And now Isaac with Ibeju.

Make una stop this yeye attachee. We are who we are.

And what business of yours is it if Isaac is Isokun ? Do you even know the meaning of Isokun? Please if you have nothng to add,kindly flee this comment room because you are filled with antagonism. People like you need be banned from ‘culture section' because you don't knowand will find joy when you post irrelevant views.

What do we fuse into yoruba legend? A legend filled with supposedly fairy tales in the eyes of the world that we are unraveling!In as much that Isaac is an English word name and not Ancient Hebrew's word, then your view is baseless because you don't even have knowledge of the ancient history of the Middle East. So excuse us, because the students of history wnt to learn and not condemn people's view.

Konquest:
^^^^^^
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Hi Olu,

Thanks for this information. I have a bit of jet lag right now from my
long international air trip, but I have to quickly respond to your last post
so it gets to you on time for onward digestion. I had already typed
most of the information in this post before now and saved it on my
mobile device.


I actually read about your post on how you have DECODED the iconic
Oranmiyan Obelisk on one of your threads. Well done for your insights.
I think you linked your findings to a Yoruba/Hebrew connection.

Also read more about: "The Nupe and the Origins and Evolution of the
Yoruba c. 1275-1897" Published in ©2005. By Idris Shaaba Jimada.

A HISTORY OF THE NUPE, C.1068 – 1810 A.D..pdf
==>http://kubanni.abu.edu.ng/jspui/bitstream/123456789/9972/1/A%20HISTORY%20OF%20THE%20NUPE%2C%20C.1068%20%E2%80%93%201810%20A.D..pdf



However, I have some archival materials that I have had for... cumulatively within the last
20 years now that I would like to share with you on the history of Ancient Near Eastern archaelogy.
Middle Eastern or bible archaeology used to be the old name, but the FORMAL TERM used by
archaeologists now is Near Eastern Archaeology. This information and more, have been
in the public domain for decades among scholars and archaelogists... and even among some
knowlegeable religious scholars in the orthodox churches for over the past one hundred and
fifty years!


Some include Prof. Ze’ev Herzog [born in 1941 and still alive as of 2019], an eminent Israeli archeologist,
professor of archaeology at The Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures
at Tel Aviv University specializing in social archaeology, ancient architecture and field archaeology.
==>http://noahkennedy.net/zeev-herzog-and-the-historicity-of-the-bible/
"Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho: Biblical Myth and Archaeological Reality"
==>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/704190/posts
==>http://www.umich.edu/~proflame/neh/arch.htm
==>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze%27ev_Herzog







This post which I have written as ARCHIVAL MATERIAL #1 to ARCHIVAL MATERIAL #4,
fits into the Culture thread as well... because it deals with culture, archaeology and religion, and
will also help you to REFINE... if needed, your insightful research work on the Opa Oranmiyan.
Please read them with an open mind and you can contact me later on your observations. We live
in an AGE OF REASONONING and must ASK QUESTIONS. We will NOT accept anything less
than the truth instead of mythology!

Also see the book: "The Age of Reason," by one of America's founding fathers, Thomas Paine, in
which Paine labels the OT as "spurious."




ARCHIVAL MATERIAL #1. Prof. Ze'ev Herzog wrote the 1999 article entitled:
"Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho: Biblical Myth and Archaeological Reality"
====>http://www.umich.edu/~proflame/neh/arch.htm

Deconstructing the walls of Jericho
Friday, October 29, 1999

"Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The
patriarchs' acts are legendary, the Israelites did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, they did not
conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon, nor of the source
of belief in the God of Israel. These facts have been known for years, but Israel is a stubborn people
and nobody wants to hear about it."
==>http://www.umich.edu/~proflame/neh/arch.htm

Prof. Ze'ev Herzog wrote the article originally in Ha’aretz, a leading centrist Israeli daily, that
precipitated a firestorm of debate among Israeli intellectuals and the general public.

FURTHER READING:
==>http://mosesneverexisted.zohosites.com/
==>http://www.truthbeknown.com/biblemyth.htm






ARCHIVAL MATERIAL #2. The Bible Unearthed: Archeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the
Origin of Its Sacred Texts by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. 383 pages long, The Bible
Unearthed is an excellent primer on current scholarship (as of 2001) as it relates to the historical
events recorded in the Old Testament.


It demonstrated using lots of archaeological evidence that many stories in the Bible DO NOT TELL EVENTS
and how history suggested they occurred, while other stories proved to fit perfectly in archaeology. It
explained that some stories, such as the wandering of the patriarchs, the Exodus from Egypt, the
Conquest of Canaan, and the United Monarchy under David and Solomon may not have happened
and rather may be based on stories indigenous to the people of Israel.
==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed


==>https://www.scribd.com/document/152549967/The-Bible-Unearthed-Finkelstein-Israel-Silbermann-Neil-a
[You can download the pdf book here if you sign up to SCRIBD, or you use a
FREE SCRIBD DOWNLOADER]




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Egypt_1450_BC.svg/520px-Egypt_1450_BC.svg.png



Cyrus Cylinder, a BURNT CLAY legal proclamation by Cyrus the Great, the Persian Emperor who is a
Zoroastrian by religion and refered to in the bible as King of Kings. He is also refered to by the God
of the bible as My Anointed in the book of Ezra. Ezra says that Cyrus attributed his success to Yahweh,
but Cyrus himself says it was Marduk the Babylonian God in the Cyrus Cylinder! Read Isaiah 45:1-3
==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cyrus_Cylinder.jpg
==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Bible
==> http://cyruscylinder2013.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/FEZANA_Journal_2013_Summer.pdf




==> https://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?2863-Which-is-correct-The-Cyrus-Cylinder-or-the-Bible
This presents a problem with the Biblical account which is very similar, but also very different:
Isaiah 44:28 [Thus saith the LORD] That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my
pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
Isaiah 45:1-3 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations
before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall
not be shut; 2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates
of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: 3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden
riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the
God of Israel.

The account on the Cyrus Cylinder - presumable dictated by Cyrus himself - says that it was MARDUK who
called Cyrus "by name" and "held his hand" and made him a "shepherd" of many peoples. The Bible says
the same thing, except it REPLACES the name of Marduk with Yahweh.

So which is right? It seems to me that the authors of the Bible rewrote history to include Yahweh
when Cyrus was actually attributing his success to Marduk.

==> http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/article_index/c/cyrus_cylinder_-_translation.aspx
==> http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/article_index/c/cyrus_cylinder_-_translation.aspx





==> https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Unearthed-Archaeologys-Vision-Ancient-ebook/dp/B000FBJG86

The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts
is a 2001 book about the archaeology of Israel and its relationship to the origins of the Hebrew Bible.
The authors are Israel Finkelstein, Professor of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University, and Neil Asher
Silberman.


They wrote in the Introduction, "Not since ancient times has the world of the Bible been so
accessible and so thoroughly explored. Through archaeological excavations we now what crops
the Israelites and their neighbors grew, what they ate, how their built their cities, and with whom
they traded... Dozens of cities and towns mentioned in the Bible have been identified and
uncovered... But that is not to say that archaeology has proved the biblical narrative to be true
in all of its details. Far from it: it is now evident that many events of biblical history did not take
place in either the particular era or the manner described. Some of the most famous events in
the Bible clearly never happened at all." (Pg. 5)
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"The Bible Unearthed"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYrTOyY3KPk 23:19]
Jan 7, 2016 - Uploaded by Audiopedia
The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of
Ancient Israel and and the Origin of It's Sacred Text.


"The Bible Unearthed, by Finkelstein & Silberman - Book Review"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jp8ofKZTMU 17:27]
Jan 17, 2019 - Uploaded by Joseph Francis Burton
The Bible Unearthed, by Israel Finkelstein and Neil
Asher Silberman.

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"The Cyrus Cylinder (Full Text)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S4ZC-5GwMY [7:12]
Jun 8, 2015 - Uploaded by Ancient Recitations
The Cyrus Cylinder is an ancient document written
in Akkadian cuneiform, attributed to Achaemenid Persian.



"The Cyrus Cylinder from Ancient Babylon and the Beginning of the Persian Empire"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qIoEevJ6qE [59:01]
Jul 11, 2013 - Uploaded by The Met
Lecture by Dr. John E. Curtis, OBE, FBA, Keeper of Special
Middle East Projects, The British Museum.
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ARCHIVAL MATERIAL #3. "The Nupe and the Origins and Evolution of the Yoruba
c. 1275-1897" Published in ©2005. By Idris Shaaba Jimada. Price N1,500. Book excerpts
and review of the book got from August 13, 2005 Punch.

A HISTORY OF THE NUPE, C.1068 – 1810 A.D..pdf
==>http://kubanni.abu.edu.ng/jspui/bitstream/123456789/9972/1/A%20HISTORY%20OF%20THE%20NUPE%2C%20C.1068%20%E2%80%93%201810%20A.D..pdf


If you can lay your hands on the book, it would be interesting to KNOW
YOUR thoughts on it. The Nupe ones paid tribute to Oyo Empire just like
Dahomey and they were incorporated into the Oyo Empire. Sango's
mother was also a Nupe or Tapa.






ARCHIVAL MATERIAL #4. Pre-Islamic worshipers in Mecca and Medina,
parts of the Arabian Peninsula and parts of the Middle East worshiped
the moon God called Al-Iah or the God.

Modern archaelogical findings show stone artefacts and paintings
devoted to the worship of the moon God, based on polytheism.
The Kaaba was a moon worship location with pilgrimage visitations
to the Kaaba, before Islam evolved as a syncretic religion. It was into
this era that Mohammed the prophet of Islam was born and grew up
in to adulthood.

Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in
modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at
Columbia University, U.S.A., did a lot of work on pre-Islamic
history and arrived at these conclusions in one of his books,
(Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85).
==>http://www.bible.ca/islam/library/islam-quotes-jeffery.htm


Islam is syncretically built on pre-Islamic moon worship. This is why you find
the moon crescent on mosque minarets around the world. It was caliph Uthman
that codified the teachings of the evolving new religion through abrogations,
after the death of the prophet of Islam, because there was NO one
standard teaching in Islam... and this led to a deadly 5 year Civil War
called fitna by muslims.

This is why there is a difference... right up till today in the interpretations
of the Koran and the Hadith by Muslim groups or scholars. Sunis and
Shiites brutally fight and kill one another through violent bomb
explosions in mosques and bombs planted by road sides during
processions by rival groups!

==>http://www.truthbeknown.com/islam.htm
==>https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm
==>http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm
(Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85)
Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in
modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at
Columbia University, U.S.A.
==>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_a_lunar_deity



The name Allah, as the Qur'an itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia.
Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous
names in inscriptions from North Arabia. The common theory is that it is formed from ilah, the
common word for a god, and the article al-; thus al-ilah, the god," becomes Allah, "God."
This theory, however, is untenable. In fact, the name is one of the words borrowed into the
language in pre-Islamic times from Aramaic.
(Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85)
==>http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm
==>http://www.bible.ca/islam/library/islam-quotes-jeffery.htm






I hope this helps to give YOU some more fresh perspectives
and unique insights as a researcher. Have a great weekend!


Cheers!

Wow! It will take me a longtime to be able to go through all the links you have given. Honestly, I appreciate the info you shared. I have read some books on Nupe people as well as other complicated written books on the Near East people with for and against ancient Hebrew identity and their migration from Middle East to Africa, then back through Mount Sinai; a place their Alphabets were discovered in 1905.

The history has that the ancient Hebrew moved freely and through enslavement to Egypt,Persia, Babylon, Greek land, Roman Empire, and other places. Still, I will definitely go through the pdf on Nupe and will post my view.

On the word Allah, it is known word which is of a semitic origin that has its cognates root in ancient Hebrew's word called Elah. And the history has that the large population of the ancient Hebrew, are now known in today's world as lost and being searched out and not yet found . As seemingly hard as this thing, it is unbelievable that the the ancient Yoruba are the ancient Hebrew(Ibri-Ivri),if one considers, pictographs and ancient Hebrew language . The reason is that, the yoruba language is actually Semitic in origin because Ur/Or, is a Yoruba word through the interpreted meaning by western linguists and foundational location.Although, there there are little infiltration of other people's language such as Bantoid,Greek-Roman,Kemet etc, because migration . How do I know this? It is because I have done the research on many words of Semitic origin and Yoruba even Allah which I will expose the meaning of as written as follow:

Arabic:Allah
Arabic:Ilah
Meaning: God

Ancient Hebrew: Elah
Meaning: God,creator

Yoruba: Ela
Yoruba: Ila
Yoruba:Orunmila

Meaning: creator, God represensative for creating mankind, spoken word of God, creator.





Cheers

Efewestern:
Your experience isn't strange, It's a well known fact that Ilaje and Itsekiri shares 80-90% language similarities. In fact an Ilaje man is more connected and related to Itsekiri than he is to someone from Osun or Lagos.

One fact you should note is that, the farther you go, the less you are related to them (Yoruba), for example Itsekiri might easily understand Ilaje but find it difficult to understand central Yoruba.

And not all itsekiri villages migrated from Ilaje, some like Omadino migrated from Ijebu.

I find it hard to understand your view on this Yoruba-Ijekiri(Itsekiri )-Ilaje differentiation from your angle due to the itsekiri's present location. This is because, you are absolutely wrong over your position on the ‘farther you go the less you are related to them'. In fact, the farther you go the more you are related to Yorubas. The Eastern Yoruba dialects is the ‘itsekiri's dialect', irrespective of where one migrate from or toward. As it seens,migration has always been a must for Yoruba Princes, Priests,chiefs,warriors,hunters,farmers etc to a new enclave. The point here is that your assertion is completely contestable because each clan knows that they are of the same stock,irrespective of clan's or dialectical group's current name.

Typical example is, ‘Ode'(base,home,foundation) is a perpetual word in Yoruba ancient lexicon which is not shareable and it is maintained as the replica foundation of these people's settlement, wherever they seemingly migrated toward. Interestingly Bini does not use such word which showed that advent of Bini historical foundation was not seen as ‘Ode' , but a vassal Ule Ibinu( land of anger), which is a stretch of Yoruba strength. Furthermore, ‘Olu'
is a standard word for ‘Lord'. The name is seen as the absolute authority on all things, which apparently is another name alternatively used for kings,outside ‘Oba',which Yoruba kings and Itsekiri bears. Plainly, the Itsekiri settlement is basically Yoruba settlement and the more you move deeper into Eastern and central Yoruba, the more you see the connection.

It is important to verify the purpose of what connect all Yoruba together so that you can understand Yoruba identity, wherever and take note on tbisy fact that , not all people in Ilaje enclave are Ilaje but use such name to deceive people and claimed non Yoruba identity. A typical example is the Arogbo Ijaw clan who are married into Yoruba of Ilaje,Itsekiri etc descents and speak a variant Yoruba dialect ,yet they are not Yoruba because they have no Yoruba kingly lineage linked to ILEIFE,which can authenticate their identity but unfortunately, it doesn't exist. On a last note,the way the modern English drifted away from the archaic is the way non Yoruba will find it hard to see the dialects from its original form. Interestingly, the all yoruba dialects are still preserved.

Amujale:
Once again, i agree with you here. I would use 'relative' instead of sub-group; but i totally understand your great points above.

Noted Sir.

All the best.

Amujale:
I agree with much of what you write here, and would add that
'Afiin are often Orisas favourite children.

Now I know you are truly yoruba man on IFA mention of yours because I was waiting for you call AFIN as ‘Orisa', which you did.


Respect to you.
Cheers.

Amujale:
Atleast have the courtesy to read what is written.

When you make spurious claims like:



False, untrue.




False, untrue.


Since my previous post clearly says:




Goes a long way to show that you are have little or no perception of recognition.

You fail to recognise that i teach accurate African history for a living and have a great background in earth sciences. More importantly, i am African.


I am an Africanist not an Afrocentric.

Similar to most active supporters of a worldwide movement that aims to encourage and strengthen binds of solidarity between all people of Africa and our descendants, our ultimate goal in life is to assist with securing the betterment of all Africans anywhere in the world today and as such helping to make the entire world a better place.

For instance, my love for physics and mathematics is never in doubt here, i proposed a mathematical formulae that is meant to determine the difference between TRUTH"
and "FACT".

I believe in Orisa Ifa. My belief in Olodumare and the Orisa does NOT contradict my study into the earth sciences or any other aspect of science.

I consider myself also a Yoruba royalist.

Anyone can easily take my word for it, Africans don't have sub-groups. Africans have diversity, ethnicity.

Interestingly,I can see you c
Positioned and use diversity and ethnicity as your lethal weapon yet you disagree with the intent of the word subgroup, is this not rhetoric? Anyway, good to know you posted your views as it relates to ethnicity but your perspective does not counter or voided the meaning of subgroup. What exactly is ‘SUBGROUP'? My knowledge of the meaning is a ‘small group within a larger group; a group whose members are some, but may not all be of the members of a larger group'. Take for instance, Bini kingdom is in Edo land and the Yoruba created Bini through conquest out of the IDU-IGODOMIGOD.And the Bini kingdom went further to subdue the non yoruba speakers and assimilated the larger Edo group. Plainly , Bini is a subgroup of yoruba people. My point here is that your view of Africanist on diversity can't be managed properly until each group develop differently before trust and economic benefit can foster friendship across borderline.

And you, being an Pan Africanist is good but can it stand the test of a lifetime? Perhaps. On my part, I choose the pattern in which Yoruba ancestors did because they know the world and not colour of mankind. Àfíìn( Albinism) has always been part of Yoruba worldview and are treated with speciality because of their skin. So in effect, there are postulation that claim that white skins are a product of skin disorder. In reality, languages differentiated the whole word but the people remained the same even if we have people who are racist or who feel superior over others as you tend to position yourself.



Cheers

Amujale:
Atleast have the courtesy to read what is written.

When you make spurious claims like:



False, untrue.




False, untrue.


Since my previous post clearly says:




Goes a long way to show that you are have little or no sense of recognition.

You fail to recognise that i teach accurate African history for a living and have a great background in earth sciences. More importantly, i am African.


I am an Africanist not an Afrocentric.

Similar to most active supporters of a worldwide movement that aims to encourage and strengthen binds of solidarity between all people of Africa and our descendants, our ultimate goal in life is to assist with securing the betternent of all Africans anywhere in the world today and as such helping to make the entire world a better place.

For instance, my love for physics and mathematics is never in doubt here, i proposed a mathematical formulae that is meant to determine the difference between TRUTH"
and "FACT".

I believe in Orisa Ifa. My belief in Olodumare and the Orisa does NOT contradict my study into the earth sciences or any other aspect of science.

I consider myself also a Yoruba royalist.

Anyone can easily take my word for it, Africans don't have sub-groups. Africans have diversity, ethnicity.

Interestingly,I can see you claimed diversity and ethnicity yet you disagree with the intent of the word subgroup, is this not rhetoric? Anyway, good to know you posted your views as it relates ethnicity but your perspevtive does not support the meaning of subgroup. What exactly is ‘SUBGROUP'? My knowledge of the meaning is a ‘small group within a larger group; a group whose members are some, but may not all be of the members of a larger group'. Take for instance, Bini kingdom is in Edo land and the Yoruba created Bini through conquest out of the IDU-IGODOMIGOD.And the Bini kingdom went further to subdue the non yoruba speakers. Plainly , Bini is a subgroup of yoruba people. My point here is that your view of diversity can't be managed properly until each group develop differently before trust and economic benefit can foster friendship across borderline.

And you, being an Pan Africanist is good but can it stand the test of a lifetime? Perhaps. On my part, I choose the pattern in which Yoruba ancestors did because they know the world and not colour of mankind. Àfíìn( Albinism) has always been part of Yoruba worldview and are treated with speciality because of their skin. So in effect, there are postulation that claim that white skins are a product of skin disorder. In reality, languages differentiated the whole word but the people remained the same even if we have people who are racist or who feel superior over others as you tend to position yourself.



Cheers

Konquest:
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Read the article below in the Weblink.
Regional News of Wednesday, 20 November 2013
Source: Graphic.com.gh
Yorubas to celebrate 200 years in Ghana

https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Yorubas-to-celebrate-200-years-in-Ghana-292587#
https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Yorubas-to-celebrate-200-years-in-Ghana-292587#




@Olu317
Greetings to you too.

NO problem about the response!

I appreciate your positive feedback which is LOADED!

Are you a research academic in an institution? I ask this
question because a lot of your posts that I have read
are very detailed, and are not the usual stuff that you
find as DUMBED DOWN historical information.





In actual sense, I have read about the history of ancient
Egypt because I grew up in a house where my father
ensured that our family library was stocked with books...
encyclopedias from different publishers and more... so I read
a lot of stimulating books on upper Egypt and lower Egypt,
Kemet, Nubia, Phoenicia now known as Lebanon, and more.

With the advent of the Internet and my first use of that
electonic and communications tool in the late 1990s
I just read more international history on demand!


I even read that before the Sahara desert began to
expand vigorously, there was a movement of people
between North Africa and West Africa with horse
drawn carriages, and goods and people interacting
in the ancient times in the BCE era. So, I also believe
what you indicated in your post about Yoruba having some
links with ancient Kemet or Egypt.

DNA tests will prove this FACT soon because it is
out in the domain that the Pharoahs of ancient
Egypt had black ancestries in them based on
DNA tests that have been done on their preserved
bodies in the Pyramid, which are now on display
in the museums. Please do more follow up on this
to get more insights!

Archaelogists have also found paintings of chariots
and people on ROCKS in the Sahara desert to
prove that people were criss crossing the routes
in the BCE era between West Africa and the North long before
the Trans Saharan trade in goods and slaves.


There is also a Sudanese or Nubian connection of
some people in Kaduna in Northern Nigeria who are
known as Nimbia who claim their ancestors came from
Nubia or black Sudan before their Arab invasion
of their land and fierse battles took place. I listened
to the documentary on BBC Radio in the early 2000s!






You are very vast in knowledge Olu317!
I read within the last 10 years too from online sources
that our people, the Yoruba have been in Ghana as traders
for over 200 years, just like you have Hausa traders who
migrated to Northern Ghana, and Hausa is still spoken
in Ghana. The CIA World Fact Book indicates that
there are over 1 million Yoruba who are citizens
of Ghana. In Accra, the Ga indigenous owners of
Accra claim to have come from Nigeria or Ife!

I have a former Ghanaian school mate, Brian, who is now
a Senior Investment Analyst in New York. I have to
ask him more about this because he is also a Ga. His father
was a lecturer in Nigeria in the oil boom era when we
went to school together, and he and I were close
school friends in the cosmopolitan and multicultural
school I then attended.


Thanks for this insightful information and do keep me
posted on any other info.


Have a great week ahead!


P.S. Last but not least, did you interact by collecting
the email contact of @Osugbo? He has not been
regular on this thread and forum and I would have l
oved us to ask him more questions. Maybe if we visit
Sierra Leone, he can be our guide. It was some of
the demobilised slave ships that the liberated
Yoruba purchased and were using to trade in
the 1800s across West Africa and they became
very rich and could afford to even send their
children to universities in England. This was
before 1900, and they were known as the
African Merchant Princes.

I agree with the information you shared thoroughly because I have come across some of the information you posted as well. Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate. I won't take away the fact that people like you and the well studied ones on NL are the reason I am always careful to differentiate fiction from fact, when I post, which is the reason I am always on my toes.

As regard your question, I am academia who is an idependent researcher with loosened affiliation with a semitic research Centre. The reason for this loosened affiliation is a lesson learned in Bishop Samuel John ( Ayo Ogun) travail because I dont intend to over expose by research work which critics must have different perspective that know of. In fact,I intend to keep it this way until the book on Yoruba people whose spoken language is Semitic origin via my research and whose history is tied Ancient Hebrew in Middle East and Kemet before migration Egypt and to Middle East where they excelled through their knowledge of Cosmology and religion. And eventual return back through Egypt to present day Nigeria.

As it stand, the oranmiyan obelisk and other work in that manner are the artifacts the ancient Yoruba ancestors use as a medium of information of writing that the ancient Yoruba left for us to unravel their identity. Interestingly, these artificats are Semitic works, obelisks i.e similar are of Semitic origin .

Now the question on people's mind is: Do I know the meaning on Oranmiyan's obelisk? Yes I do. How ? It is just studying the ancient kemet pictograph and Semitic hieroglyphs and comparing with the obelisks found in Yoruba land. In actual fact, anyone can solve it .

Do you know ‘al' a prefix if added to agbara becomes alagbara(all powerful) is the ancient discovered alphabet of the ancients Hebrew in Egypt whose first alphabet is ‘al/el—modern Hebrew ‘al—eph' ? Even the second letter is Beyt. Yes it is, because in,‘1905, was the year Flinders Petrie, a renowned Egyptologist and pioneer in modern archeology, discovered inscriptions of previously unknown symbols at Serabit el-Khadim. Thereafter, Dr. Alan H. Gardiner, Another renowned Egyptologist, studied these inscriptions in detail. He discovered that these Sinaitic inscriptions consisted of a total of thirty-two symbols. Because of the limited number of symbols Dr. Gardiner determined that this was an alphabet.’

Interestingly, the above information showed the desperation western researchers in seeking out the identity of who were known as ancient Hebrew that lived in Egypt with their foot print and with a tremendous population that disappeared along the Sudanese belt remained a mystery. Based on this do I realised that ‘Pitchfork' sign and this symbol is what's on Oranmiyan obelisk and this inscription has meaning in places they were found,in which non was found along Yoruba people in sub sahara Africa. ....... let me stop here because I already gave out a sacred information for self,until proper time. Despite many postulation by many researchers, fact'll eventually emerge through well researched work.


Note:
I don't know much about osugbo .



Have a joyfull time outthere.
Cheers

Amujale:
Its seems you find it hard to understand was has been written. How can you claim you disagree with me whilst repeating what i write above.

Maybe learn to read.

Stop a think.

READ what is posted accordingly and try again because the above post is simply repeating what i say.


"My point is to call it DIVERSITY not sub-group, or sub' anything for that matter. Africans dont have 'sub-groups"


That is to say, stick to words like, diversity, different ethnicity, instead of the term 'sub-group',

Tying to use my own 'handle' to argue against is a really low and poor move.


I already know Africa is diverse, thats why my advise to you is to use the term "diversity" instead of the term 'sub.


Now that you have taken my advice dont you think its a bad move to try and claim my handle for yourself, given that am still here.

Goes to show profound ignorance.

Diversity is the state of being diverse.

That's my point Sir, because I find it hard to understand your kind of English language in this context on word and antonym. How do you call Africa diverse when you don't even understand subgroup or ethnicity? As simple as the word diverse, it means ‘different,unlike, separate' etc while the antonym is ‘same, homogeneous'. In actual fact, you are the one muddling things because I don't just understand where you are heading because Africa is filled with Ethnicity, her dialects and tribes in some cases.

From the above, I only posited as others that your assertion is pseudo unification of Africans whose history are apparently different one group to another, while you don't even know ‘jack' about culture and religion of these people, which is the binding factor of each kingdom. Take for instance, Yoruba don't and didn't operate with a Mumbo-Jumbo pattern of salvagers but a civilized system of agriculturists and balance family with a monarchial system.

Comparatively the continent of Europe understanding themselves is of a recent acceptability through intermarriage and Christianity among each group after hundreds of years of wars in these different kingdoms in Europe.

As far as I am concern, the big picture should be the whole world if you are a peace lover because having a emotional perspective of Kwame Nkurumah is baseless because it can't work. Do you know Yoruba fought Nkrumah's Ashanti Kingdom? Pick up better books to read. As far as I am concern your Afrocentric aspiration is on a futile journey because even some white racists can't void the fact that human Race begun in Africa. Afrocentrism has no future because the world is a global village which is and Africa is mother of all mankind. Are you even aware tbere are so many Southern Nigeria whose history is connected to Europeans? In the oil, timber, manufacturing sectors etc ,we have Europeans who are married to southern Nigerians from their days in pre colonial era even till date, my question are:

1. How do you expect these partrilineal white descendants see your view?

2. Do you even know the admixture amongst yorubas ?

3. Are you even mixed at all even if it has been over 20-30 generation?

In conclusion ,Nigeria as a country remain the case study because it inhabits more than 180,000,000+ people while still counting.So your perspective must consider Nigerians in whatever area you consider for your Afrocentrism.



Cheer

Konquest:
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It is nice to read your reply to my post.

I was going to respond yesterday night but there was a glitch
with the srver connection. I use a 4G LTE connection so I think
the glitch came from NL while trying to post.

I originally got to know of this thread by @Osugbo while
I was going through YOUR previous posts, and liking or sharing
some of them. You are one of my main resources on
Yoruba culture and history on NL.

This is the kind of UNIQUE thread that should be on the Front Page
of NL but will not get there. NL needs to have an additional
person to moderate this thread who is of Yoruba descent
that will be fair to all and push out more of positive
Yoruba-centric topics or threads like this one by @Osugbo.
This culture section used to be very notorious for pushing
contrived negative topics started by bigots about about the Yoruba
on the main Culture thread in the past, and some sanitisation
eventually came into play afterwards.


The Yoruba of all sub-groups in Sierra Leone were known as
"Aku," because they greeted themselves as such.

About the Moshood Abiola reparations project in the 1990s,
I was even of the opinion that the reparations should only
be for the descendants of Africans who were taken as
captives to the Americas and their descendants because
it is some Africans who sold fellow African Prisoners of War
or even some criminals into slavery. For the Yoruba unfortunately
we fought a bloody Civil War and some people sold Ijesas, Egbas,
Ekitis, Oyos and more into slavery to such an extent that the
slave markets were flooded with Yoruba captives in the 1800s.

It is good that many Yoruba came back to Nigeria and Benin Republic
in Africa from Brazil, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, USA via Liberia [The
Jackson Family who were Yoruba origin in the U.S. settled in Liberia],
Sierra Leone and Jamaica.

Did you know that there is a community in Jamaica that is known as
Bekuta? These people of Egba-Yoruba origin who were liberated by
the British Navy were taken by the British from Sierra Leone to Jamaica
as indentured workers, in the 1840s, and their descendants still
live there till today. Indians were also imported as indentured workers
too at that time in history in the 1840s to work on the sugar cane
plantations and construct railway lines in Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago,
Guyana. Professor Wole Soyinka visited the community of Yoruba
descendants on two different occassions in the 1980s and 1990s.



There is Oba Adetayo Haastrup in Osun state whose Royal family ancestor
was taken as a captive but got liberated in Sierra Leone, and was given the
surname of the Danish Capt. Haastrup who sponsored his education and took care
of him after being liberated in Sierra Leone. The family later moved to Nigeria.
=>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrick_Kúmókụn_Adédeji_Haastrup


Never again! The Yoruba must use all forms of information and communications
technology to stay united and NEVER fight a Civil War again. Lack of effective
communications breeds suspicion.


When I read the book, "The History of the Yorubas" by Rev. Samuel Johnson who
is an Oyo Yoruba returnee from Sierra Leone in the 1800s, I felt stunned about
the anger and lack of effective communication among the Yoruba subgroups
at that time that led to the unravelling of the Oyo Empire. If the Yoruba had been
united, no external forces would have been able to invade Yorubaland.

As you well know, it was the gallant Ibadan army that defended the rest of
Yorubaland against the invasion of the combined Ilorin Yoruba/Fulani/Hausa
jihadists who were effectively stopped at Osogbo and Otun-Ekiti and the heads
of some of the commanders and the Yoruba betrayers among the Ilorin forces
were cut off. All these are in the book by Samuel Johnson.


Yes about the different accents or spellings of the Yoruba, If you check the
Brazillian and Cuban Yoruba spellings, you will find out that they spell Yemoja
as YEMAYA, Osun as OCHUN, Ijesa as IYESHA.


OK... I have to sign off now.

I wish you a happy weekend with your family!

Thanks and all the best!

Greeting to you konquest,
Pardon me for the late response.

My research on Àkún-Àkú, proves that it was distinctive name for yoruba salutation during the ancient times, if one consider the meaning of it which is strength or power or good or hale and hearty or well being because ,the name was borne out of salutation to elderly and everryone else to affirm if such woke up healthy and whole or done something; work etc which attract such word . And gradually, it became Okun,which is due to stretch of the word and modification of Yoruba language in Oyo Yoruba dialect.

In fact, AKWAABA in Ghana is Àkú Àbó( wellcome,return well, arrive well etc), which is a loan word from Yoruba language through migration of some yoruba people to the Ashanti kingdom. While Yoruba realise the need to fraternize with themselves as their identity in the past and till today. Interestingly, the same word was known in ancient Egypt(kemet) as Hekau,with same meaning as power,strength. Thus, Yoruba identity through her language has always made them outstanding in their sojourn into any Land.

Unfortunately, a lot of modern day yorubas especially the academic don't appreciate this distinctive identity of Yorubas because some of them are always desirous to ridicule yoruba identity to west Africa , which the ancient yoruba ancestors were NOT because they were with the knowledge of ritual language of nature's which led to the foundation of modern religion in the world; christainity and Islam. The ancient Yoruba were the people that drifted away from the kemet language. Below is a classic work on Ram carved out of ceramic which stand at par with Egyptians and middle East work. This work is not found outside Yoruba land in West Africa,which conform with migratory lifestyle of ancient Yorubas




All the best.

Opiletool:
Bunch of deluded cretins on a lost course. I stop engaging them when one clown said aworis are not Yoruba.

I can't agree but agree totally with you. They are not worth engaging.A boastful people whose history is entwined with Yoruba's descendants king who made them perpetual servants to the gods(Yoruba ancestors) in Edoland. No wonder,Ada,(sword) is seen as something from heaven because of the name attached to it.

On Awori issue,it is absolute ignorance on the path of these clowns who don't know their history, not to mention other people's. It is indeed pathetic.



Cheers.

Opiletool:
Bunch of deluded cretins on a lost course. I stop engaging them when one clown said aworis are not Yoruba.

I can't agree but agree totally with you. They are not worth engaging.A boastful people whose history is entwined with Yoruba's descendants king who made them perpetual servants to the gods(Yoruba ancestors) in Edoland. No wonder,Ada,(sword) is seen as something from heaven because of the name attached to it.

On Awori issue,it is absolute ignorance on the path of these clowns who don't know their history, not to mention other people's. It is indeed pathetic.



Cheers.

Dartilo:
[qquote author=Olu317 post=76983032]

All I just stated only proved what had been said earlier that you overrated your Yoruba king at the detriment of the truth. And there is no where Oba Bini was Ogiso lineage. Nothing Oba is igodomigodo in Edo until Yoruba arrived. AndYoruba taught you all you acquired as civilization.






Stop allowing sentiment to take the better part of your IQ, yoruba brought civilisation to benin u r mkin me laff, yes we agree that oranmiyan was the first oba of benin of the second dynasty but we r also telling you that oduduwa was a prince and the first son of ogiso owodo the last ruler of the first dynasty

Sentiment over fact? You are a boyig joke ! My advice is for you tostop your baseless opinion. what exactly was the religion of your own odudua ? You people just make yourselves a laughing stock because Odudua didn't exist in Nigeria but a family identity.

Do you think I posit as you are? The odudua you people are lying about isn't an Igodomigodo because, Number 1 or numerical 1 meaning in igodomigo is different from the man's language.

The language dudua spoke is not igodomigodo,how does he now become igodomigodo descendant?

In fact,
What is the ancient word for 1(one) in igodomigodo?

What is the ancient word for anger in Igodomigodo?


Stop this obvious fact that has kept you people relegated to the back because you decided to become usurper in 21st century . Bloody clowns.

Amujale:
You continue to misconstrue what haa been said with anti-African rhetoric.

My point is to call it diversity NOT sub-group, or sub' anything for that matter. Africans dont have 'sub-groups.

Mr man,Africa is extremely diverse. Stop being ignorant. Stop this nonsensical psuedo Afrocentrism because I am from a quiet family whose history is a reference point in Yoruba Land. I strongly detest your pointless view when you ignore scientific and linguistic aspect of history.

I once asked you if you ever heard of people burying their dead upward and you had no answer. Here you fanning Afrocentricism as if you have what it takes to speak or be trilingual as an individual. Mr,there people here who know fact and not fiction as it seems.

Do you even know that over 1000+ languages is spoken in Africa?

Do you even know there are more than 1000+ languages spoken in Africa that's spoken in Europe?

Bro, Africa is a complex continent that you have no idea about. So stop your view and kindly specialise in one area.

Dartilo:
How does this prove anything

All I just stated only proved what had been said earlier that you overrated your Yoruba king at the detriment of the truth. And there is no where Oba Bini was Ogiso lineage. Nothing Oba is igodomigodo in Edo until Yoruba arrived. AndYoruba taught you all you acquired as civilization.

Dartilo:
And oranmiyan was also a descendant of oduduwa who was also a descendant of the last ogiso of igodomigodo now known as Benin

I mock your ignorance Mr man. I, know the history of oranmiyan more than you because i am part of his descendants.

In fact, Oba Bini gave a gift to a descendant of Oranmiyan who was a warrior king known by the name Odelu ikan in Eastern Yoruba land,when he shook the whole Eastern Yoruba as a prince- king mercenary.

Obalufon:
thank you somuch Sir

Thank you sir too.

Hati13:
Olu317,

I know you know more about language. I’m telling from what I read and watched.

I doubt you not.

@Hat13, how are you doing? Quite a while. While reading through your assertion, I discovered you claimed Semitic begun in Ethiopia . It s based on this, I waant you to answer some questions as follows :

1. What kind of Semitic language is generally spoken in Ethiopia?

2. Do any of the spoken ethiopian language intelligible to the ones in present day Middle East?

3. Can you interpret any pictograph of Semitic origin ?

4. Do you have evidence that semitic people begun in Ethiopia if you consider the fact that the oldest human fossil,which was founded outside Africa was discovered on Semitic Land in middle East( Isreal) which is about 190,000+ years?

5. Do Ethiopia have Obelisk of semitic origin?

6.How old is obelisk in Ethiopia which shows Semitic
origin?



Cheers

It is the truth on the Yoruba language as being the language of gods and nature's language, which is the reason Yoruba named many animals after their behavioral pattern that is known according to the bow-wow theory, that all words are echoic, some grunting caveman's attempt to capture the essence of a thing by its sound. Capturing sound by these ancient men affirmed to the Yoruba approach toward her methods which are used in calling animals by it echoic sound. Infact,it is also applicable to all other things be it animate or inanimate in Yoruba land.

However, the mutation of yoruba didn't really changed the language but affected the speakers through alteration as a result of relocation to new environment or nature, which is supported by, Einger Augen in the book, ecology of language,who postulated that language changes as a result of migration and as being borrowed from a teacher's language . So in effect, Yoruba language didn't actually changed because the archaic language is retained in the different Yoruba dialects.

Truth on the Yoruba language as being the language of gods and nature's language, which is the reasons Yoruba named many animals after their behavioral pattern that is known according to the bow-wow theory, that all words are echoic, some grunting caveman's attempt to capture the essence of a thing by its sound. The postulation affirmed Yoruba methods used to call animals by it echoic sound. Infact,it is also applicable to all other things be it animate or inanimate.

However, the mutation of yoruba didn't really changed the language but effected through alteration as a result of relocation to new environment,which is supported by, Einger Augen in the book ecology of language,who postulated that language changes as a result of migration and as being borrowed from a teacher's language . So in effect, Yoruba language didn't actually changed because the archaic language is retained in the different yorua dialects.