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Amujale:
Turkey is one of the few countries that are in Europe aswell as Asia. There history connects them to Greek, Persian, Roman, Byzantinr and Ottoman empires.

Istanbul was formely the Roman Empire's administrative capital, Constatinople

1) Yes it was a former Roman's administrative base at one time.

2 ) But Greek ruled Turkey earlier than Roman.

3) Infact The Levant and southern Anatolia (modern Turkey, where Antioch was situated) was a thoroughly international which were all controlled by Greeks.

4. The Assyrians,Persians,Egyptians, Babylonians, ruled Messapotamia~ Nineveh earlier than Greeks.

5) The point is that Roman Empire was not in existence when Göbekli Tepe existed.

Amujale:
Diop's conclusions is used by all the sensible African historians out there.

Kindly quote who that knocked Diop's conclusions and when.

Cheikh Anta Diop is a known Africanist NOT an Afrocentric.

His works are based not on guess work, but thorough analytical and scientific analysis.


All that you state above are the ones that needs refuting because they arent based on logical conclusions, rather are loosely based on out dated Eurocentric and Asian bias.

There’s need to understand that the way Africans operate in the ancient times cannot be crosschecked by making use of Eurocentric and or Asian bias text or viewpoints.

Furthermore, the greatest significance of "Gobekli Tepe" is shroud in the myth that it supposedly the birth place of civilisation, however untrue that may seem, it's sacred significance however, is in the fact that the people who built "Gobekli Tepe" are rightfully deemed the first religious gathering to come out of Europe.

Gobekli Tepe is known as the oldest sacred site in all of Europe. Africa predates Europe.

Every sensinle historian knows that Africa predates Europe, the "Out of Africa" experience that occcured thousands upon thousands of years ago thatbled to the populstion of Asia and Europe

African historians have been proven to be more trustworthy than their Eurocentric and Asian peers.

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The Origins Of Civilisation: featuring Dr Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist who studied the human race’s origin and pre- colonial African culture)

How Göbekli Tepe in Europe?

Göbekli Tepe is a sanctuary built on a hilltop in southeastern Turkey,which is 11000+ years ago. ( Near East)

Amujale:
I've heard of Dr. Tariqh Sawandi and he is remarkable medical practitioner, and i love his work very well.

I dont have anything bad to say about him as an individual, a great guy.

Yet, adventure into history turns into one of those brainwashed scholar whose fundamental objective is to meet with the requirements of the Abrahamic religions.

An historian reknown for having Abrahimic religious motive, making use of those text to make most of his arguments.

The problem with using Abrahamic text as a source, makes the conclusions wrong.

Futhermore, he is an Islamic scholar, that further disqualifies him from being seen as a genuine African academic.

These type of authors are guilty of the same criminality befitting the authors of Abrahamic text themselves. Creating false an illogical narratives and trying to present it as real.

Do you actually know what Abraham means? Get Semitic knowledge and let's see how you will feel



Cheers

2mch:
Yoruba are indigenous to Nigeria.

Smiles.Whatever your opinion is, remains yours forever. I appreciate your love for Nigeria.


Cheers

Amujale:
Yes, that absolutely correct and these are the same scientific and analytical proof i talk about here, posted a few books that are good to read.


Lets assume these two versions of history

(a) Real History - A true account of events.

(b) Manufactured history - A fabrication of past events. A false representation of past events.





Kindly use Nubia opposed to the 'N' word, that word is toxic.

Egyptology is a topic everone should learm from African historians experts on the subject.

Lets assume Nubians are one of the accepted technical terms properly allowed to dominate African Egyptology, writtings.

One cannot assune the qualification of genuine African historian if one attempts to makes use of any sort of Abrahamic religious historicity in ones determinations.

Read into African history in accordance to genuine African historians, academics and scholars.


Read as many books from these type of authors:

Cheikh Anta Diop: He authored 'African origin of civilisation.

Hendrik Clarke: He authored 'Christopher Columbus..

Ivan Sertima: He authored 'They came before Columbus'

Paul Barton: He authored 'A History of the African-Olmecs

Understanding the correct and proper perspective of where Africas true place is in World History.

According to historians, 50% of World History occurs within the place they call Africa.

The study into African history proves beyond reasonable doubt that our ancestors are influencing the progress of humanity before either Asia or Europe had inhabitants.

1.Cheikh Anta Diop: He authored 'African origin of civilisation

You see, I don't have anything against Cheikh Anta Diop for portraying Africa continent with his perspective of Afrocentrism but, was too emotional . Instead of being objective, he overstreched his view by diminutive of different people in Africa as if they were one ethnicity, which is the reason his book is restricted to people of your like mind even if one reads for criticism. Infact his position hasn't been so true so far with the assertion of civilization being from Africa because this view has been Knocked off outrightly with evidence of radioactive dating that put Göbekli Tepe as the oldest which was founded about 11,500 years ago.


You in doubt? Well the pride of Africa is the Temple of Luxor which is located on the east bank of the River Nile in the ancient city of Thebes and was founded in 1400 BC during the New Kingdom. This temple was dedicated to the three Egyptian gods Amun, Mut, and Chons. This old temple was the center of the festival of Opet, Thebes’ most important festival. Thus Göbekli Tepe unarguably world's oldest temple. You see,if you indeed want to go farther as an Orisa ,then dissecting through objectivity in your claim need be priority.

2. Hendrik Clarke: authored 'Christopher Columbus.

3. Ivan Sertima: authored 'They came before Columbus'

4. Paul Barton:authored 'A History of the African-Olmecs


The people you metioned above havent answered the purported people who populated Africa but differnwt people's might who lived in Africa such as:

Nubia/Bantu people: darksin with often broad or flat nose

Ethiopia: anciently as dark skin with prolix hair or straight hair people with nostril that falls with the flat,broad or moderate

Moor/Maghreb/Berber:anciently with kinky or curly hair people with different types of nostril but mostly not flat nor broad

The purported people that were in America before Columbus were all groups included Mende~Bantu ~Olmec people,Oromo,Tigrayans, Amhara, (different groups),people of Indus valley etc. So no need for overstretching these peoples's books on Africa because Africa has NO one homogeneous language, which meant they were different groups from thousands of thousands years ago.

On this linguistic , do I position Yoruba as non Africans from inception because Apart from yoruba people , affiliated Egypt land and Near East, you haven't shown where Ur or Or is in East Africa, or West Africa that is populated by Bantu people who developed from Niger Congo line through Adamawa and to the other parts.
Why isn't this so from linguistic angle? Please don't claim 2000 years ago or 5000 years ago language mutilated because you are 5000% WRONG.

Trust me Sir, I know classical Hebrew purely with great humility do I translate it with cognate meaning from well researched classical Biblical Hebrew dictionary.



Cheers

Amujale:
Presicely the reason
i advice you to go and read the following books on African history:

.The West Africansic :from prehistoric times to present by Toyin Falola.

.The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

.The History of the West African sic: From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the British Protectorate by Samuel Johnson.

Bro, you are the oen who need learn more about Africa and Near East because I have given nformation, you havent being able to provide necessary answers to . Instead, you flip over and mention names that are not conversant with Yoruba IFAODU and Near East Link or Egypt's . Honestly, It is unhealthy to position Chiekh Anta Diop as an authority on Yoruba's history because the most prolific attention he drew to himself was his scientific line , that the ancient Egyptians were pure Negroes but never actually emphasis his research on Yoruba ancestry .Even if this is true to a large extent, that Egytian were darker skin and not Negroes from the earliest time but it was unfortunately for Egypt that she was conquered six affirmed or orey different times by different groups, even among them were Babylonia, Greek, Hykos , Roman etc . So what is your point of mentioning Diop when he has no knowledge of Ifaodu?

Are you aware that during the conquest of Egypt ny Babylonian empire , was the reason one of the King Ammon exised? Yes, because participated in the campaign against Egypt when Isrela was vassal state uunder Babylonia. Hezekiah's descendants was then named Ammun~Amon who was fathered ny Mannaseh, who was a son to Hezekiah himself. This information is a name of a Temple in Thebes which was destroyed. In addition, many ancient papyri discovered by archaeologists point at an Egyptian origin" of Yoruba , (Tariqh Sawandi: ‘Yorubic medicine: The Art of divine herbology).'


Advice: kindly do better research without sentiment instead of emotional attachment.



Cheers

Celestial777:
Okay tomorrow Mornin pls remind me

Sorry for the late response. Just saw this, couple of minutes ago. Even at it I have been having pf network problem

I appreciate with great humility.

Amujale:
Firstly, who is Frank Willet to reject Ogundiran's findings?

Frank Willet is a Eurocentric liar and faker bro.

How would you expect a Eurocentric to accept that Ife civilisation is older than that of Ancient Egypt?

Bro, i would rather take the word of the reknowned archeologist Professor Ogundiran who's verifiable works we talk about over the director of a Western World's museum that spends most of his time sitting on an armchair.

Go and check them out for yourself and acquire the rights to see his submissions.

For these reasons, its easy for anyone to accept Ogundiran's findings.

The only true African history is that which is derived by Africans, by default other versions are false and invalid.


Furthermore, the reference i made is cited from Ogundiran's own journal as one of the authors of a Cambridge University publication titled 'History in Africa'. Vol. 28 (2001), pp. 203-223



I 100% back the carbon dating methods Ogundiran made use of throughout his campaign.

You are a funny chap because of your love for Africa in defiant of fact. The 350 bce. was based o speculation by Folster in Ozanne 1969:32,which was cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c. and Drewal (2009:80 . And has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence.

Infact, Ifa corpus clearly doesn't relate to Africa but people generally and Near East . In doubt? Take for instance, Ifa mentioned places such as Ur-Or-Orun(sun)~-Heat land and Amororo(moon) but not in Africa. Have you any place or ethnic group apart from Yoruba and Near East with such name of places and description of sun in Africa? If you don't have answers to the mentioned place and moon ,then case is close.

Amujale:
No, it does not.

It means you are deviating from the point here.

Yoruba originate from within Africa.

Go and re-educate yourself about African history.

Stop with these nonsensical claims on history.

All the writers that make such claims have always been found to be of Abrahamic religious background.

There is zero evidence to back such claims.

The evidence given by people who claim that Yoruba migrated into Africa is unverifiable. Mostly based on foreign rhetoric and false perceptions are known to us as Abrahamic historiographies and historicities.

Its impossible for Yoruba to have migrate from the Middle East due to the fact that when the Yoruba and other West Africans are living in their glourious communities, there was no people living in what is now Asia.

Those are the historical facts, West Africans have been in existence before Ancient Egypt.

African people existed in Ancient Egypt before the Phenoms began to populate Asia.

The first people to populate Asia was the African.

Go and read books on African history:

.The West Africansic :from prehistoric times to present by Toyin Falola.

.The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop

.The History of the West Africansic: From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the British Protectorate by Samuel Johnson.

All the modern day historians all agree with me that Yoruba originate from within Africa.

Obviously you are absolutely ignorant of the fact that Tariqh Sawandi says: ‘The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger',which is contestable through Olumide Lucas's comparison .Even, Flinders Petrie classified these terra-cotta heads with similar objects found at Memphis, and already assigned to the 5th century BC.

But here you are referering to another yoruba, Toyin Falola who followed suit after the like of Akinwande Ogunrinde,Akinjogbin whose information on radio carbondate are based on reference of white scholars. Indeed! you are quite funny.

So, you say West Africa, predated Egypt? You must be a joke! Anyway, I hope you view is base on sentiment because there is no such information. In fact,the oldest fossil s in Jebel Irhoud, Morroco, Etthiopia, and Israel.

1.Morocco
The oldest Homo sapiens fossils are around 300,000 years old

2.Ethiopia
Homo sapiens fossils in two locations have been dated to between 195,000 and 160,000 years old

3.Misliya, Mount Carmel, Israel
Earliest modern human fossil found outside Africa has been dated to between 177,000 and 194,000 years old
The Radioactive dating of the fossil and tools at between 177,000 and 194,000 years old

Bro, I can't find the West Africa you desire so much! Perhaps, you have alternate researchers from Africa with a better radioactive dating .

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Celestial777:
It's a whole book bro
And it comes in three volumes

it does nt matter. A good book is worth reading over and over again

Amujale:
I have no interest in assumptions or guess work, all the evidence suggest Yoruba originate from West Africa.


Hunanity began in Africa NOT the Middle East.

All the fairy tales partaining to the Middle East and the Garden of Eden are false.

That region is of no significance or relevance to Africans.




The Yoruba originate from within Nigeria and have existed throughout the region for thousands of centuries.

Kindly go and visit any local museums and or historical relief center, they you will find overwhelming evidence.

Check the dates of our artefacts and artwork in foreign museums, again, you will find overwhelming evidence dating back to 700 BCE. (its important to note that most of our precious art and artefacts are intentionally incorrectly dated)

Archeaological excavation and discoveries of ancient cites that are dated 1200 CE, details evidence of various highly urbanised areas.

There have been numerous recent excavation by local archeologist. e.g Professor Ogundiran e.t.c

I cannot believe we are even having this argument.

During the period of Empire, there was no people living in Asia.

There is zero posibility that Yoruba could have originated in the Middle East.

You see Bro, you have been unable to provide evidence to support your suggestion that Yoruba originated from within Africa but If you insist, on radiocarbon date, then show there is no proof supporting your view because you don't have iron production or concrete archeological or hieroglyphs or pictographs as your evidence to support the 350Bce of Yoruba people in Nigeria.This is seen in the reference of the same Professor Akinwumi Ogundiran that , In the, ‘Art in Ancient Ife , The Birth Place of Yoruba', by Suzanne Blier, where she said that an early Ife date of 350 bce. purportedly based on radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne 1969:32), cited by both Ogundiran (2002, p.c.) and Drewal (2009:80), has been rejected by Frank Willett (2004) and others for lack of supporting scientific evidence

It affirm that Niger Delta and eastern Mali, were occipied before Ife because Niger acted as a conduit of trade from the Atlantic coast to the Sahel and thence to the Middle East (Davison,1972; Insoll and Shaw, 1997). So also, archaeological sites in the Niger Delta show that advanced economic development began much earlier there than elsewhere in West Africa. This is seen in early use of metallurgy. At one metallurgical complex, dated to 765 BC, iron ore was smelted in furnaces measuring a meter wide. Thus, the operating temperatures are estimated to have varied between 1,155 and 1,450 degrees C (Holl, 2009). Some radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009).Even radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009),which confirme with evidence that are seen in more than 700 artefacts of bronze, copper, and iron recovered from the Igbo-Ukwu site and dated to the 9th century AD.


What does this mean? It means Yoruba ancestors came into West Africa latet than Ibos~Eastern Niger ia

Celestial777:
Share ko. Share ni
Wetin be my own if you remain ignorant
See I read Ifa corpus book by Rev Fagbola
Written in 1825
You can look it up
Better still I fit help you send the cover page
...i mean the pics so you will know I know wbay I am saying

Kindly give the link to the corpus of Rev. Fagbola of 1825 .I 'll appreciate





Regard

Amujale:
Yoruba originate from Africa. Any connection can only be seen in those terms.

All the evidence points to the fact that Yoruba language predates all Asian languages and the notion that has it originating in Asia is not plausible.

During the times when Yoruba are enjoying their civilization, there are no people living in Asia.

The kind of study into languages that you embark on is of high importance, yet, its imperative to have an accurate starting position.

Theres so much now known about African history than ever before, thanks to the enthusiasm of great African historians, scholars and academics.

We know the specific periods when every ethnic group moved out of Africa.

For instance, are able to determine when the current stock of Asians and Australasians left the continent and their state of mind at the time.

The evidence suggest that Yoruba and their neighbours have been living and existing in Africa hundred of thousands years before people began to occupy the Asian continent.

Stop assumption bro about our ancestors ( Yoruba's) because, Yoruba were amongst the earliest descendants of the earliest ancestors and these people begun in Middle East. If you have a good case,,kindly give us readers concrete information about where Yoruba originated from. Precisely, using archeological , linguistic ,oral account, pictograph, hieroglyphs etc to buttress your point.




Cheers

Amujale:
I have no intention of turning into a discussion about the specifics of Yoruba history as much of the unclad truth are privy to the scholars and specialist.

However, given the length and depth of my study into African history, based on various analytical and scie tific investigations, there is no doubt in my mind that back in the ancient times, Yoruba travelled to KM.T from West Africa; are said to be amongst the earlier settlement in the Nile Valley region.

I don't intend to over stretch this issue with you but you actually got it wrong of yoruba migration because Yoruba went through west Africa to Kmt , instead from Middle East,which is where her language begun. And thus the language is found in both Arabic ~Hebrew ~Aramaic~Ugaric~etc

Amujale:
Here you refer to deifying heroes, prophets and VIP's, yet there are African divinities that are said to have been in existence before Earth itself.



Use the correct terminology instead of making use of derogatory terms.

The correct term is Orisa.

The incorrect term is "Idol"

Another incorrect term is "lesser gods:

In the specified context, both "Idol" and "lesser gods" are exclusively Abrahamic religious terminologies.

They have no real meaning outside of Abrahamic religious circles.

Your opinion are based on your English language's perspective. So, let me posit these three answers

1. The Yoruba God is basically known as ‘Light' or purity or White. So therefore, this concept isn't with Kemet~Egypt

.2. Lesser gods simply mean less than Almighty God!

3. Idol isn't in the same context as you understand in Engliah language,which is different from the meaning in Abrahamic religion. Thus, idol worship is giving absolute adoration to anything in one's life ,apart from the creator in Abrahamic religion. Unfortunately for someone like you,that hasn't given attention to the meaning of the name,‘Abraham'. Perhaps you need a deeper knowledge of the man known as Abraham because from the personality,you wil be exposed to many other things about the Hebrew people

4. The Yoruba spirit is basically divided into two the functional and dysfunctional ~ positive and negative.

Amujale:
African religious concepts cannot be explained by ways of a Eurocentric mindset. Infact it ought to be the other way round, due to the mere fact that Africans history spans throughout the Ages. As in, Africans own the richest history people present in the world of today.

Therefore, its advisable for us to all part with all and every foreign nartative that arent original to the continent.

Once we have been able to re-invent our history, link it to the present, then our future will always be brighter.

The reason one reads into my generalisation is due to the fact that we are the oldest group in living history.

We, Africans, shared the good times aswell as the not so good times, in the light of past events,  it will be counter productive to try and single ourselves out without first acknowleging the fact that we are all one big family with similar aims and objectives.

The aim is to acknowledge, determine and re-affirm our own identity(ies) and never to accept a foreign narrative.

Let me put it into perspective, the present stock of Asians and Europeans missed out on 50% of world history. Meaning that whilst Africans are living in their glourious communities for thousands upon thoousands of years, there was no people living in Asia or Europe.

That is to say, with respect to the African Ancestry, the current stock of Asians and Europeans are relatively new comers on planet Earth.

Yes, Africa has a Long history but to lump everyone together as unified people is a big mistake. In Africa's history, there were acknowledgment of Ethiopia, Nubia, Moor~Maghreb , Bantu etc but yoruba wasnt part of these groups etc because

1. the Yoruba land of the ancient time were in Near East in the land called Oru(heat land /sun land )~Or ~ mountain morem etc and not in Africa.


2. This is the reason yoruba had aan ancstor who was known as Oram'fe ~ Aram land in Near East

3.Migration brought yoruba to Africa. This is the reason there are duplicity of names in Yoruba land and in Middle East~Egypt. Doubt these ? kindly verify these names above and compare

Amujale:
Why would any African want to know about the Hebrew language?

The Hebrew language is a made up one and is connected to ficticious characters and manufactured religions.

According to Abrahamic text, the Hebrew language is claimed to have derived from the region of modern day Palestine.

How does that benefit the African?

How does that lead to progress in our world?

How does a language that originated in Asia help Africans to defeat colonisation and opression?

How?

The less we know about that fake language in the context of religion the better.

All i can gather from your investigations are that the people that invented that language did so by copying from the Yoruba language, apart from that, there are no other positive implications to derive thereafter.

I emplore you to continue with your robust investigations on an academic level rather than trying to use it to justify Christianity.

Nobody can successfully justify the horific crimes perpetuated by the ancient adherents of these Abrahamic religions.

Plainly, you missed the point because the spoken language in the presennt day Israel isnt Abrahamic language but Aramaic influence languagee.

On the reason for the study,will make you know that all you have been typing about Abrahamic's religion are basically incoherent with the reality of the language. It wil shock the actual Abrahamic religion is the Yoruba's.

Obviously, you will disagree with me at this moment but once you pick the interest in it ,you will understand what the point is. Take for example: eyphod is ifaodu

How true is it possible? Read this person of the bible and after going through it then ask one or two questions

1 Samuel 30:7 
And David said to Abiathar the priest, Ahimelech's son, I pray you, bring me here the ephod. And Abiathar brought thither the ephod to David.


New International Version
Then David said to Abiathar the priest, the son of Ahimelek, "Bring me the ephod." Abiathar brought it to him



Cheers

Amujale:
I havent missed anything here, there is a common saying that goes as thus:

"There are Orisa and there are Orisa"

There are those of them that are akin to heroes, sages and prophetssic, whilst there are those that are said to have been in existence prior to the creation of the planet Earth.

To me, my grand father is an Orisa; yet for the sake of an accurate translation my grand father is a demadeity.

Orunmila is a premodial Orisa and his embodiment on planet Earth is known as one of the greatest philosophers the world has even seen https://www.nairaland.com/5258769/greatest-philosopher-all-time#79560051.

Orisa are NOT "Idols" or "lesser gods", as Abrahamic religion will have you believe, as in, the term "lesser gods" is readily reserved for Arabian, Greek, Persian and Roman mythology.

In all reality, the Visiers of Olodumare are divine representatives of the Almighty God on planet Earth.

Normally, Ancestor veneration can be an altogether seperate African concept and experience.

Clearly, you havent moved from the knowledge of some people that placed gods and God on the same platform i.e the men and Eleda~ Eledumare. Plainly, the Yoruba ancestors who you classified today knew themselves as not SLAVES BUT gods; image of or creation of Orunmila.

As it has been said by people that thought Orunmila was a philosopher on planet earth missssed it all because tbey didnt do anything much to investigate reason Yoruba cosmology is akin to Near East. In actual fact Orunmila is the same as Eledumare ~ because Or(o)ún mí è á àlá
means:
1.voice brought forth light

2.word spoke and light appeared

3. Word break forth light

4.gruntle to break forth light

5. light break forth from the sound

From the above definition of Orunmila,did testify to a people that the world adore. Mind you, I have seen a yoruba christain 1913 dictionary that gave a wrong definition of the actual interpretation by a zealous Christian group in the era that begun with Rev. Samuel Ajayi Crowther which was 1843 upward till today because Onifa~Olifa~Adifà voices aren't heard and voiceless as compared to Yoruba christains school of thought. Anyway God of all time will reveal the mysterious things to the world

On the veneration, we the present day people are the same as the past ancestors because human are humans . And the only necessary things the prophets or the gods need do is to developed the inner power of authority known as Àshé in self to be able to relate with God. So develop yourself if you are a chosen one.

Amujale:
I agree.

Ifa does not support idol worshiping.

Ifa supports the feeling of deep respect and admiration towards all the Orisa.

'Idol worship' is an ancient Asian and ancient Eurocentric Crusader's terminology that they use to discriminate against anyone that does not belong to their religious sect.

The Africa pyche does not recognise such terminology as "Idol worship", as it does not translate correctly.

The people that history records as being Idol worshipers are found in ancient Arabia, ancient Greece, Persia and ancient Roman communities.

Awesome! Pardon my slight harsh word because I wish you knew what I know ,perhaps you will vent your anger like Èlù tiko so(sango Àjákutá ). Truthfully, I can see you that you are actually a true son of omoluabi. Respect to you.

Let me clearly inform you that idol worship isn't limited to the mentioned of yours but also found in Yoruba panegyric in which the past prophets were turned into
God. So Eleda is the only worthy to worshiped.

Advice: streamline your perspective or narrative to a group or ethnicity because Africa culture differs from one to another. Else your effort will be in vain because even the European you seemingly assumed they are together arent they understand their differences but manage one another.

Amujale:
Yoruba never have and never will be Idol worshhipers.

The term "Idol worship" is a nonsensical Abrahamic religious concept that is meaningless outside of European and Asian philosophy. i.e the term "Idol' makes better sense in a European and Asian context as is properly reserved for Arabian, Greek, Persian and Roman mythology.

The term "Idol" in the context of Abrahamic Religions is an immure and derogatory way of attempting to discredit all other faiths or religious concepts that arent Abrahamic.


That is to say, those that dont belong to any of the Abrahamic faith are automatically considered by adherents of Abrahamic religions as Idol worshipers. Which is in itself a nonsensical conclusion for anyone to make.

Yoruba Orisha is never an Idol in the context Abrahamic religions would have you believe..

Orisha are divine entities.

Orisha are in all reality divine representatives of the Almighty God on planet earth.

You seem not understand the purpose of Bibo Ori? Well,it is obvious you're not too deeply knowledgeable on it because you placed hatred in your heart on something You don't know the Semitic language or able to interpret it. Anyway, as simple as ABC,Yoruba's ancestors acknowledged the adoring of the dead ancestors preference over Eleda(Ori) which provoked God in which the warning came down in Ori concept wworship that was posted earlier and which was a big mistake on the part of the yorubas. So, plainly Yoruba people missed it when you or I ignore ori bibo and place ancestors praise as preference. All Yoruba are ancestors( gods) .

Perhaps you don't know that even you will become an ancestor one day . This is how you missed it because you thought ancestors were a form of angel but of course not because the ancestors who became deified understood how to use the Asé ~ authoritative power of command to be (holy spirit from Christian perspective) in side of them to speak with God and they fellowship together.

Let me try



Ao le be igi ni igbo
We can't cut a tree from the forest √

Ko wa di olowo eni
to become one's benefactor

Orere ko le ni iyi to eni to gbe
Mold can't be as honourable as the molder

Oni oju
It has face

Ko le ri iran
but unable to see

Oni ese
It has legs √


Ko le sare
But can't run

Ifa loba
Ifa is king(supreme)

Orisa losin
The ancestors worship it

Olodumare ni kan lo to gbekele
Almighty God is the only one that can make one triumph

Ori ni a ba ma bo
we ought worship creator

A ba fi Orisa sile
And we ought forsake the ancestors

Ni ijo Ti ori ngbeni
On the day the creator saved

Nibo ni Orisa wa
Where were the ancestors ?

bilms:
IFA'S TAKE ON IDOL WORSHIPING

Let me try


Ao le be igi ni igbo
We can't cut a tree from the forest

Ko wa di olowo eni
And it becomes our commander

Orere ko le ni iyi to eni to gbe
A craft can't be more prestigious than the crafter

Oni oju
It has eyes

Ko le ri iran
But it can't see

Oni ese
It has legs

Ko le sare
But can't run √

Ifa loba
Ifa is the overseer

Orisa losin
The gifted are the messenger

Olodumare ni kan lo to gbekele
Only the creator can be relied upon

Ori ni a ba ma bo
We should rather worship the maker

A ba fi Orisa sile
And leave the gifted people

Ni ijo Ti ori ngbeni
While the creator is aiding us

Nibo ni Orisa wa
Where are the gifted one's?

Can someone please translate the Yoruba into a more appropriate and acceptable English language?

Ao le be igi ni igbo
We can't cut a tree from the forest √

Ko wa di olowo eni
to become one's benefactor

Orere ko le ni iyi to eni to gbe
Mold can't be as honourable as the molder

Oni oju
It has face

Ko le ri iran
but unable to see

Oni ese
It has legs


Ko le sare
But can't run

Ifa loba
Ifa is king

Orisa losin
The ancestors worship it

Olodumare ni kan lo to gbekele
Almighty God is the only one that can make one triumph

Ori ni a ba ma bo
we ought worship creator

A ba fi Orisa sile
And we ought forsake the ancestors

Ni ijo Ti ori ngbeni
On the day the creator saved

Nibo ni Orisa wa
Where were the ancestors ?

Probz:
Didn’t say that but it’s common knowledge that Ondo and Ekiti people are a very different breed of Yoruba than mainstream Yorubas. Several of their cultural and cuisine features point eastwards to say the least. At least compared to the more westerly Yoruba clans.

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Probz:
Didn’t say that but it’s common knowledge that Ondo and Ekiti people are a very different breed of Yoruba than mainstream Yorubas. Several of their cultural and cuisine features point eastwards to say the least. At least compared to the more westerly Yoruba clans.

A clown at the highest order,that is who you are for saying, there are mainstream Yoruba and others are not. What cuisine do the Eastern Yoruba eat that's different from the western Yoruba people ? You being an Ibo man aren't different from one other Yoruba Guy on this platform who seemingly think as you people try to merge Ibo people with Yoruba's . But ,I want to plainly infer that, THE difference between LIGHTSKIN YORUBA anywhere In the deep Savannah or the Plateau is that they are NOT HAIRY LIKE THE LIGHTSKIN IBOS. .....Period

rhektor:
Bro, you've actually proved nothing here as nothing could be deduced from this statement

I have no intention to proof anything to you because I don't know it all! Even if I have 1% knowledge of what I know,then you need clearly inform us that you can handle all the questions I posted in my last post before this. And from there ,we can share knowledge.

y3mi:
Good point, I've drawn similar connection between Yorubas and other past civilizations documented, however let me ask you this....how do you and I explain the tremendous spatial distance between two historically distant civilizations yet etymologically connected ? Sometimes don't you think names of places and group of people could just be a matter of mere coincidence ?

Names of two or or more places may coincide but not necessarily the same because factors such as, Word cognate, Oral history,Tradition etc can easily help solve the issue.

The distance is no reason to null this perspective because migration can take over a century or more before one or group of people can be able to find a habitable place for settlement.

macof:
https://www.nairaland.com/4735900/unanswered-questions-yorubas-hebrew-heritage

This questions are still there if you have gotten your answers

Otherwise please don't mention me. I don't have time for any psychotic person that believes things that aren't real

As usual with your grudge,once you are hit with the ‘light'. Anyway, some mothers do have your type. Plainly, you need check up on yourself because you remained one of the few persons who doesn't know anything Hebrew or Semitic but claim to know. Isn't this worth being called it an obsession to ‘pseudonym'? In which I don't fit.

Apparently, you think I am psychotic? careless with English word as usual. Anyway, I am not faceless as you may think because there are people I have exchnged mail with on this platform. Another important thing is that you and others will see my work in few years time because I can interprete the classic Hebrew to glory of Or u mi e ala. So don't hurt yourself because of me and don't think I am on a war path against you because I ply this platform to draw people to my side. I am 100% sure, you are wrong .

Purposely on your moniker mention, is to let you know that you have no reason to null anyone's perspective or opinion if you don't know exactly what such person's knows, especially on Semitic or Afro Asia because you lacked the Semitic knowledge in totality. And this is tooo big for you to understand, so therefore, let those who see what you don't see and those who know what you don't inform people of the great wisdom of Yoruba's ancestors footprints in Middle East. And at the right time I'll teach you how the name that are corrupted to Hebrew, Eyphod/ephod were Yoruba's ancestor's identity.


Lastly, I don't have time for answering such questions on the post you quoted but when need arise you will see my work.

macof:
Its just coincidence and outstretched connections . There's no record of mass migration of people from the middle east into west Africa

Also consider that the names of people or places in the middle east that you are exposed to are transliterated, so you are not being exposed to the exact names, and you probably don't know how these names are pronounced

You amaze me with your discredit through coincidental condemnation of a semitic language you cant even write nor understand it, yet you are quick to condemn? Ordinarily, I expected you to do some slight study on semitic language which was spoken 5000+years ago in the middle East amd see the greatness of Yoruba ancestor.

Another thing is that you need know that migration did happened to West Africa,which the evidence can seen in the Pitchfork found on Opa oranmiyan. I don't know if you even know what this mean? If you actually want to know, then start up gradually by learning the classic Hebrew. Perhaps, you need my help? Then ask me for it.

seunmsg:
Ooni of Ife never said Igbo people largely found in present day south east Nigeria founded Ile-Ife. What he said was that Yorubas and Igbos have ancestral ties and that Igbos once lived in Ile Ife before migrating to present day south east Nigeria.

Whatever Ooni meant doesn't reflect the relationship between ibo and Yoruba's history. This is because Ancestral ties, is pertaining to, derived from, or possessed by, an ancestor or ancestors

And invariably ,the statemen credited to Ooni , simply means Yoruba and Ibo ancestor , descended, whether on the father's or mother's side, at any distance of time; a progenitor; a forefather.

My question to you are:

1 do you actually believe this statement of same progenitor or ancestor of Yoruba and Ibo?

2. Who was the same ancestor of both the yoruba and Ibo that once lived in IleIfe?

Amujale:
Moses is a ficticious character.

There is no record of a person called Moses that drowned a Pharaoh in all of Ancient Egypt.

That story is copied from African religious text and bastardised by Romans aristocrats.

First century Roman aristocrats authored the Christian Bible.

Yoruba predates the Hebrew language.

Hebrew is supposed to be a semetic language.

The main significance of Hebrew language is held within its connection with various manufactured religions, take that away, and it too is fake.

Obviously you are not who you posit you are ,reason being that cuneiform, pictographs, tablets affirm to a lot of things about the Hebrew. Even Quran testified to the existence of the Hebrew. All the information did nt have a place called Africa as you even painted the African continent, until the conqueror groups arrived from Europe to give the name out.

If you can't read any Semitic language then how are you sure Hebrew predate Yoruba's?

Bro, you are not in any way an authority on Yoruba or Hebrew and kindly restrict yourself to the English version and Yoruba -African knowledge, which itis basically in conclusive information which is limited.

You actually make me smile because you don't even know who is called Aramfe in Yoruba's history nor do you have absolute knowledge on Ebora in Yoruba lexicon.




Cheers

Amujale:
That is simply because both the Quran and the Christian Bible plagiarised contents from Odu IFA.
Ela is a typical example.

Not! It is because you do have absolute love for Africa supremacy and play down western people's authenticity of classical Hebrew. Kindly desist from positing incorrect information because of so claimed personality of yours This shared information will soon bring some of us out to the fore But before that let me posit the following questions so that you can answer them

1.Do you know the Yoruba ancestor known as Aram fe /Oram fe actually lived in the middlerast?

2. Do you know eyphod is ifaodu in the Bible ?

3. Do you know ela is actually the same meaning as Hebrew's ela?

4. Do you know Orisha is having the same meaning in the Bible?

5. Do you know Esu is actually the same meaning in the Hebrew Bible which is different from the Yoruba's Bible's ignorant meaning by 1840s upward yoruba Christians?

6. Do you know Hebrew satan is the same meaning as Yoruba's sota?

7. Do you know one of the Hebrew's name know as Eloah is the same as yoruba élohun( Oyo's olohun)?

8. Do you know melo in Yoruba is the same meaning as the Hebrew's mel-o?

9.Do you know the yoruba's Orún is the same as the Hebrew's or?

10. Do you know Yoruba's pè is also the same in meaning with Hebrew's peh(to call)?

אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה . 11

The above were found to be the first of three responses given to Moses when he asks for God's name in the Book of Exodus 3:14. The King James Version of the Bible translates the Hebrew as "I Am that I Am" and uses it as a proper name for God......

But do you these meaning is actually different from the interpretation given to it?

If you are in doubt, Kindly verify my statement through thorough studying of the early Hebrew letters/alphabets and her meaning these aren't Yoruba language.


Contrary to your view, Moses is as real as the breadth in your body!.



Cheers