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Emusan:
It's evident that you're the confused one here.....



Like I do say, you people lack the scriptural knowledge about how Bible presented Jesus Christ that's why your teachings have always been forth and back.

As you missed it, Jesus didn't come to earth to prove to anyone that He is God rather to do His Father's will

Meanwhile, I've noticed that you people couldn't phantom when Bible refers to Jesus (NOTE: I used Jesus for simple understanding) before He become part of His own creation and when He finally became part of His own creation.

WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS ABOUT HIM BEFORE HE BECAME PART OF CREATION?
1. He is THE ETERNAL LIFE (NOTE the writer said "THE" 1 John 1:2.....eternal life can't be created
2. His ORIGIN was from TIME INDEFINITE (according to NWT) or as other versions put it "eternity, everlasting, ancient days: which is what the Father claimed by Himself....Mic 5:2
3. "NOTHING was created without Him....John 1:3" which means He's not part of creation.

These three points are enough for now because they are many of them!

These are the Biblical truth that even the disciples of Jesus know that's why person like Thomas can proclaim to Him as "My Lord and my God" and made all early Christians to pray to Him including Steven.

These are the truth that people like Mathetes 130AD, Polycarp(one of the disciples of Apostle John himself) 150AD, Justin Martyr e.t.c believe that made them to call Jesus God.

Mind you, these are early prominent Christian erlders which even your own Organization recognized their teachings and applaud.

A time is coming when I'll teach you people on this forum how Bible made distinguish between when Jesus was not part of creation and when He became part of creation.

Just like your organization admitted in their publication when they were trying to prove that "I and my father are one" isn't meant Jesus is God. it read "Well, Jesus is saying that he has powers that the Jews believe belong to God alone. For example, regarding the “sheep” he said: “I give them everlasting life,” which is something humans cannot do. (John 10:28 ) Jesus: the way, the truth, and the life; subtopic: one with the father, but not God, pg. 188 https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/jesus/ministry-in-judea/not-equal-to-god/#?insight[search_id]=0605e742-3d9b-464e-a79f-0d0892d0847c&insight[search_result_index]=0

You can see your organization actually know that many things that Biblical writers applied to Jesus are actually what we know ONLY GOD POSSESES but in other to keep themselves confused the more they later said in the next text that "....The Jews are overlooking the fact that Jesus has openly admitted that he received authority from his Father"

Lastly, I asked you does it mean Jesus denied being God in John 10:30 or not? because you didn't answer it.

1) Pls stop the deceit & receive sense .John 1:2. "He was with God in the beginning.".
Emusan, U wanna claim that God Almighty was with Himself. How does it sound to your ears?


2) Micah 5:2 " But you.... whose origin (or beginning/ birth) are from of old,from ancient times".
Emusan, don't deceive & shortchange your self. "Birth/Beginning" are other words U can substitute for the word, "origin"? Pls insert it there.


3) U are being clever by half.
John 1:3. "THROUGH HIM all things were made; without him nothing was made that had been made" .
Jesus is a medium (he was "the craftsman" beside his Father ) deployed by Baba God Almighty to create all other things. (Personified as wisdom in Prov8:22-36)
Hebrew 1:2 "But in these last days he (Baba God ) has spoken to us by his Son ,whom he ( Baba God) APPOINTED heir of all things & THROUGH WHOM HE MADE THE UNIVERSE"
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Jesus is the beginning of creation. He was created. Yes. Colos 1:13-17.
Rev3:14

4) Pls stop your lies against the truth.
Jesus received authority from his Father. He is the appointed heir that Baba God put into Office. Hebrew 1:2.
John17:1,2 " After Jesus said this..... For you granted him (Jesus) authority over all people that he (Jesus) might give eternal life to all those you have given him"


5) Jesus & his Father are one just as Jesus & his disciples are one.
John 17:11b" Holy Father, protect them... so that they may be one as we are one".
vs 21: "that all of them may be one, Father ,just as you are in me & I am in you".
In the same manner that husband & wife are one. "They are no longer two but one" Matt19:4-6.
Can two walk together except they agree? Amos 3:3.
Emusan, pls receive sense IJNA..

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s1/images/OneJ.jpg[/img]

⁵Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,
⁶who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
⁷but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.
⁸And being found in human form...
- Philippians 2:5-8a

OneJ, in actual fact, ntgreek.org admitted that "the word was a god" is very incorrect.
Una no see am, ntgreek nefa agree say "the word was a god". For where?
Besides, Philippians 2:5-8a above, if fact, hin ntgreek, too come conclude, say: "Jesus is God" Allelulai!
See am from the above screenshot blue highlighted section

Mutteylaff, Trinitarian folks (ntgreek, Emusan who said "Jesus is not the Father' & Primesky who argued that Jesus is the Father) ,as shown above your views contradict each other because Una false doctrine dey confuse all of una.
Confusion transmission . Hahahahahaaa !


U too are confused . See the evidence .below....


" HAVE THIS IN YOUR MIND,which was also in Christ Jesus, (who existing in God's form ,didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped... " Mutteylaff, since its true that Christians have the mind of Christ, therefore, we "didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped" (we too are equal with God. That's the absolute conclusion too. U can't deny it !!).
Phil 2:9 " But God exalted him to a position where he is today.


There is no scripture where Christ gave command or orders to his Father. Why ? John14:28 the Father is greater than Jesus His son.


However, 1 Cor 2:16 says " we Christians have the mind of Christ," not the mind of God.
Jesus said (John14:24. 7:16)"What I teach is not mine,but belongs to Him who sent me"
Matt24:36 " Only the Father knows that Day & Hour" because Jesus is not God & he does not know what God knows.


Christ never claimed or said he is God. Trinitarian folks imposed Godship on Jesus by fire by force.....
Shalom

rottennaija:
He is simply creating awareness, because someday you or your love one will experience it firsthand.

U too dey lie. Bring solid evidence here that JWs withdrew from tertiary institutions of learning everywhere or shut up.

rottennaija:
Like this below?
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/8yod67/telling_the_truth_about_child_abuse_apparently/

OP & rottennaija , U guys are mischievous & crooked. The toxic cocktail of hatred ,bigotry & anti JW virus done eat una up finish. The headline & story dey north pole & south pole. Na this your reddit forum posts & that fictional website be evidence wey U & your crooked crew take dey shout up & down for NL? Hahahahahaaaaa. Shameless Serial Liars. Gerroutta here.

mikeolu1:
http://www.wgal.com/article/jehovah-s-witnesses/20897421

WGAL's Beccah Hendrickson looks into a woman's claims that Jehovah's Witnesses knew about hundreds of claims of child sex abuse and didn't report them. The woman has brought her complaint to the state attorney general. You can watch the report above. See

WGAL’s Beccah Hendrickson also investigates allegations that clergy at a York County Jehovah’s Witnesses church knew about the sexual abuse of a 4-year-old girl and failed to report. Please note, some people may find portions disturbing.

Mikeolu & rottennaija are apostates & peddlers of defamatory & libelous content (they can never defend in any court of Law)who hide behind online monikers to malign Jehovah's name & His people.
U point one finger at JWs, your other four fingers go dey ask U how far....
Evil seeds of Korah .

mikeolu1:
The leaders have been giving the members difficulty if they send their children to university.

University education have lifted many African from abject poverty, yet you have a religion that basically says if you or your family attend uni, you will have problem with us.
Who says JW are not a super cult?

Your lies for NL go make Satan dey jealous U. So, U mean U went to all university campus nation wide & there are no JWs who study there or they all withdrew from school en masse ? Abi, U dey smoke something?
Take it or live it, U are off key.

Primesky:
Please, can somebody help me ask OneJ, what he is saying?. Why are you confusing yourself?. You have a verse with you, explain it and you're saying something else.

1. Oga, tell us why Jesus whom you deceptively call 'a god', is given a name equal with the Father?.

1.Tell us Mr OneJ, is Jesus Christ a true God or not?.

Primesky make I break am down for U....

(i) Bcause of sin ,Adam the father of all mankind lost the God's gift of eternal life (Romans5:12. 6:23). God restored it back to man thru Jesus ransom sacrifice. God sent Jesus the second Adam & gave him the title of "Eternal Father". Jesus is Eternal father of everyone who believe in him & exercise faith that he is the God sent Messiah.(1Cor15:45. John 3:16). Also, because Jesus is our Eternal Father, he has authority to resurrect the dead (restore eternal life )back to faithful mankind (John 5:24-29. Acts 24:15). A human father gives life to his offspring . The Eternal Father grants eternal life to faithful believers.


(ii) Primesky, why U no wan use your brain? Is the usage of word "father" or any compound word with "father" limited to Baba God?
Is Godfather a reference to the Almighty God? God?


(iii) Primesky said "tell us Mr OneJ is Jesus Christ a true God or not?".

Nairalanders,Jesus has provided the answer. in John 17:3."Now this is eternal life: That they may know you ,the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent".
Also ,see Matt16:13-17. John 20:30,31.


Primesky, did Jesus say he is "the only true God"?


(iv) Even sef , ntgreek.org wey U dey quote up and down done deny U finish..... https://www.ntgreek.org/answers/answer-frame-john1_1.htm

"....when the Greek omits a definite article, it may be appropriate to insert an indefinite article for the sake of English translation and understanding.....
However since (John 1:1c) does not have the definite article, it does indicate that this Logos (Word) was not the same person as the Father God.."


(In other words, ntgreek.org admitted that " the word was a god" is very correct.
Una see am, ntgreek done agree say "the word was a god". Therefore,Jesus is not God).


Primesky, ntgreek.org ,your fellow Trinity peddlers done rubbish una doctrine finish.
Dem done destroy una Trinity lie lie forever.


(V) For the sole reason that John 1:1, Acts 28:6, Acts 12:22 have the same grammatical construction. Therefore, what is good for the gander is also good for the goose. To argue & deny "a god " in John 1:1c amounts to double standard & deceit to promote the trinity fallacy.




Primesky , I pray U receive sense &wisdom of understanding. IJNA.....

Primesky:
There's no justification for that. Stop trying to add what isn't there for the almighty God. Is Paul, Herod and Jesus Christ the same?.

Read this text below and stop this Antichrist stance.

The Apparent Difference in Spelling

First of all, the same Greek word is used in both occurrences of the word "God" in John 1:1. This same word is used in many contexts, whether it refers to the Only True God or whether it is referring to a false god - such as a man-made god (1 Cor. 8:5) or Satan as the ‘god of this age’ (2 Cor. 4:4). The apparent differences in spelling between the word ‘God’ in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’ (‘theos’) and in other places, (even in the previous phrase, ‘and the Word was with God’ (‘theon’)) is due to inflection in the Greek language. Each Greek noun normally has 8 or 9 forms (cases & number) in which it can appear. (See my page on ‘Inflection’ and ‘Cases’ on the Web site). In the first instance in John 1:1 it is the object of preposition and thus is in the accusative case. In the phrase in question, it is in the nominative case (indicating the subject or predicate nominative - equal to the subject). But it is the same word for ‘God’, and in both phrases here indicates the One and Only True God. So the apparent difference is spelling is not because ‘theos’ is a different word than ‘theon’, but is a different form of the identical word.

The Lack of a Greek Definite Article

Another common confusion in John 1:1 comes from the fact that in Greek there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ (‘theos’) in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’. The confusion arises from an assumption that if there is no definite article in the Greek, then it must have an indefinite meaning and thus should be translated with the indefinite article "a". Based on this understanding, some argue that this phrase in John 1:1 should be translated "the word was a god," rather than "the word was God." It is important at this point to understand that the Greek language has a definite article (‘the’), but does not have an indefinite article (‘a’ or ‘an’). In certain instances, when the Greek omits a definite article, it may be appropriate to insert an indefinite article for the sake of the English translation and understanding. But we cannot assume that this is always appropriate. Greek does not operate in the same way as English does in regard to the use of the words ‘the’ and ‘a’. In many instances in which English would not include the word ‘the’, the Greek text includes it. (We don’t see it in the English translations because it would sound non-sensible in our language.) (See Note 1, below.) And in many cases where the Greek omits the definite article, the English translation requires it to convey the correct meaning of the Greek. (See Note 2, below.) Therefore it cannot be assumed that if the definite article is absent, then an indefinite article should be inserted. (For a clear illustration of this, see an example of the use of the word ‘God’ and the definite article in John chapter one.) Furthermore, even though the Greek language does not have an ‘indefinite article’ like we think of in English, there is a way in Greek for the writer to indicate the indefinite idea and thus avoid confusion. This is done in Greek by using the Greek indefinite pronoun ‘tis’.
In John 1:1 there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ in the phrase, ‘and the Word was God’. However, in this instance, it cannot just be assumed that the word ‘God’ is meant to be ‘indefinite’, and therefore an indefinite article used in the English translation. Because the first use of the word ‘God’ in John 1:1 (‘the Word was with God’) clearly refers to the Only True God, the Eternal Pre-existent Creator, more than likely John would have used a different Greek construction than he did if he had meant for this next phrase (‘and the Word was God’) to refer to a ‘lesser’ god, and did not want us to confuse this with the True God he had just mentioned. If John meant to avoid confusion, when making such a definitive statement, he could have done so by using this ‘indefinite pronoun’ (‘tis’) as an adjective. This would have made it clear that the Word was ‘a certain god’, but not the one he was just referring to. For examples of this, see the verses Mark 14:51, Luke 8:27, Luke 1:5, and Luke 11:1 (among many, many other examples). So, it seems that by the Greek grammatical structure in this statement, John is indicating that the Word (Jesus Christ - John 1:14) is the same essence and nature as God the Father.
(For a more thorough explanation of the function and use of the Greek article (and meaning of its absence), see ‘Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics’, by Daniel Wallace. He includes fifty pages - entitled ‘The Article, Part I’ - which is a more complete treatment of the subject that many grammar books present and explains all the general uses of the article. He actually has a ‘Part II’ which discusses some special issues with the article. Fifteen pages of this second section apply directly to understanding this passage in John 1:1. It is highly recommended for those who really desire an honest and thorough understanding of this passage.)
The Predicate Coming Before the Subject
Also, this phrase in John 1:1 is an example of a predicate nominative coming first in the sentence, before the subject. (Sentences like this one that use a linking verb require the noun in the predicate part of the sentence to be in the nominative case. Thus the phrase 'predicate nominative'.) The subject of this clause is ‘the Word’ and the predicate is ‘God’. In Greek, the word ‘God’ comes before the word ‘Word’. According to normal Greek usage (Colwell's Rule), the word ‘God’ should not have a definite article. Oftentimes, emphasis is shown in Greek by placing a word out of its normal, expected word order. Special emphasis is shown when the predicate comes first in the sentence. In other words, contrary to the thought that ‘since there is no definite article used here it could belittle the fact of the Word being God’, the fact that the word ‘God’ is used first in the sentence actually shows some emphasis that this Logos (Word) was in fact God in its nature. However, since it does not have the definite article, it does indicate that this Word was not the same ‘person’ as the Father God, but has the same ‘essence’ and ‘nature’.
The Context of All of the Apostle John’s Writings
It is also necessary to see this statement in context of the rest of John’s writings. When comparing this with other statements about who the person and nature of Jesus Christ really is, it adds to what is already made clear by the Greek grammar. See for instance: John 8:56-59 (cf. Exo. 3:13-14); 10:28-33; 14:6-11; 1 John 5:20; (also John 8:23; 3:12-13; 5:17-18). These verses also indicate that, in John’s understanding and thus the Bible’s clear statements, Jesus Christ is the same essence and nature as God the Father, but distinct in their person-hood.

https://www.ntgreek.org/answers/answer-frame-john1_1.htm

Prime sky,U come dey copy & paste wetin U no fit understand.
U & these ntgreek people , all of una dey confused. The only true God, Jehovah (Yahweh) is not a God of confusion 1 Cor14:33


Pls see the proof below: Make I quote wetin U done copy & paste.

"in other words,contrary to the thought that 'since there is no definite article used here it could belittle the fact of the Word being 'God', the fact that the word 'God'is used first in the sentence actually shows some emphasis that this Logos (Word) was infact God in its nature" ( Jesus is a spirit being, just like God his Father. ).

" However,since (John 1:1c) does not have the definite article , it does indicate that this Word was not the same person as the Father God..".

The Trinitarian folks are a very confused bunch. The bitter truth is very obvious- their doctrine, although popular , is a man made fallacy built on the fraudulent corruption of God's word, the Bible since the 4th century CE.

Here is the gospel truth (John 20:30,31; 3:16 Matt16:13-17. 1 Cor15:24,28. 11:1,3. John17:3).
Pls accept it with a humble heart.
Shalom

Emusan:
Did anybody ever said Jesus is the Father before?

Jesus is God which means He has ALL the attributes man know God to possess. Get that into your skull!

Even Jesus' critics know Jesus is God that's why they could say "...and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God"

.. LIES ,LIES ,LIES !
Everybody pls see the proof below:

John10:33 "We are not stoning you for any of these,", replied the Jews,"but for blasphemy, because you ,a mere man ,claim to be God" . The wicked Jews made those false allegations against Jesus. U may ask "Why is it a false allegation?

Jesus himself provided the answers....
John10:34,-36. "Is it not written in your Law,
'I have said you are gods? ' "
(Jesus quoted Psalms 82:6).
John10:35: "If he called them 'gods' ,to whom the word of God came- and the Scripture cannot be broken
vs36 "what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said , I am God's son ?".

Jesus himself said he is the son of God but the Jews deceitfully twisted his statement &falsely alleged that Jesus committed blasphemy. Because they were desperate to kill Jesus at all costs.
Shalom.

Primesky:
Wonderful!. This is the height of it all. The bible said that this son that will be born will be called everlasting Father/eternal Father. So tell me, why will God give to Jesus such a title as His?, isn't that going to bring confusion?. But God is not the author of confusion, so what happened?

Jesus Christ is not God the Father, so who is He?.

Pls tell our fellow Nairalanders & guests whether U are confused when U call a well known man "Area father or Godfather" ?. Therefore, your opening questions lack merit & substance.


Primesky said " Jesus is not God the father, so who is he" ? Even Emusan , his partner in the Trinity fallacy said & I quote his statement: " did anybody ever said Jesus is the Father before ?"
My fellow Nairalanders & guests, una dey see how primesky & his fellow trinity peddlers. are confused?
Indeed, their brain always shut down in their dubious attempts to defend a lie Jesus himself neither taught nor believed.

budaatum:
That's my opinion too. The question then is, 'why?'

God's number one enemy,Satan the devil, hates the truth (John 8:44. 2Cor4:4. 2Pet2:1.John 18:37). Shalom

Primesky:
Ahahahha! There you go again with twisting and selected interpretation.

I have answered you exodus 3:14 confusion. If you didn't get it, the go back up and read it.

As for the the difference between 'mighty and almighty', I know that you will focus on that. Please include the other one, ok?. The 'Everlasting Father' which you people said is 'eternal Father' whichever, how many eternal or everlasting Father can we have at the same time?. Why did you leave that out?. There's no blaming translation here o. How can a 'created god' as you say, be called the everlasting/eternal Father as well?.

Oga Primesky, pls don't get it twisted. "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" is not "I am that I am".Both words do not mean the same thing at all. If U like make U twist am till kingdom come.

Does the phrase "Area Father" or Godfather" refer to God Almighty? Pls give your answer.



Pls read this post well well.
Baba God Almighty used your human father to cause your birth as a full blooded omo naija (through Adam the father of mankind. But, Adam lost the prospect of eternal life for himself & all his offspring).

But Baba God Almighty redeemed us thru Jesus Christ & gave him the title of Prince of peace, Eternal Father because your future prospect of eternal life squarely depends on your believe & exercising faith in Jesus as the God sent Messiah for your salvation.
Furthermore,by virtue of Jesus being addressed as the second Adam (also called the last Adam) ,he received the power to resurrect the dead back to life in God's kingdom (1Cor15:45,47. John 5:24-29). Even sef, Trinitarians agree that Jesus is not God, the Father, Baba God Almighty.
Therefore, your argument is built on quicksand. Shalom

budaatum:
If one goes to the ancient texts, and if one were to honestly be open, one would question just about every translation as quite a lot of political license must have gone into making it at all readable. Some of the language it's written in didn't even exist anymore so how they determined what it meant is, well.....

I take the Judaic and Islamic position on the trinitarian issue myself. A jealous god would not be coequalling with anything, and it's rather ridiculous to assume gods, that don't exist in the first place, have children!

The twisting of the texts used to justify the deification of Jesus is very lame. You just have to wonder why his brothers James, Joses, Jude and Simon, and his unnamed sister are not gods too!

Which leaves one conclusion. Jesus was at best, a very wise man who taught people how to live better lives. He was so profound in his days that people bowed down and worshipped him just as some worship the Adeboyes, Oyedepos, Kumuyis and Copelands of today. Making them gods though contravenes the commandment not to worship any other gods but me!

That's a very candid conclusion based on rigorous investigation & research to unearth the facts.
All in all, u can't find the Trinity in the scriptures unless U twist ,distort& make dubious additions ("I am " the father the son the holy ghost are one" but authentic reading in Exodus 3:14 is : "I will be what I will be" ;
1Tim3:16, he was manifest in the flesh"; 1John5:7," there are three that testify" & many others which were "sweetened " to make the Trinity popular. Shalom.

Primesky:
Hahaha... Wonders shall never end!. The fallacy is not small o.

You're one of the most intelligent of your colleagues, but this your reply is totally laughable. Let us even assume that it is as you said it.

I am that I am means what?. I am what I am, in other words, I am what or who I am this moment. He was God at that moment?. Man?, a weakling, a powerless God?. Hahaha...

Then your point, I will be what I will be. After God became the almighty like you people also call Him, will He all of a sudden become powerless, poor, less of a God?. I won't waste time replying this one abeg.

You know what?, you never agree with my points and I don't agree with your points. Between you, your religion and Christianity, one is absolutely wrong.

I have presented before you classical falsehood, false teachings, prophecies and doctrinal confusion to warrant your lies and deceit. I carefully watched as you and your colleagues, twisted and lied about the whole thing. Alright, let get down to business. Can you answer the question below.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6 NWT For a child has been born to us,
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

From the above passage both your version of the bible and the King James version, agreed that this son that shall be born, which is abviously talking about Jesus, will be called Mighty God, Eternal Father among other names. The question to you now is, since we have only one true God, can we have two mighty God, and two mighty Father at the same time and in the same place?. I don't understand, because your Bible also agreed to this. So here there's no translation wahala.

OneJ please do justice to this thank you.

Hebrew language has no present tense. In Exodus 3:14,"Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh does not mean. "I AM THAT I AM" .
Pls don't get it twisted. "I am" in Exodus 3:14 na fraud. Period !
Pls use your church mind tell nairalanders how "mighty " & "Almighty" (Exodus 6:3,Psalm 83:18. John 17:3 KJV) take mean the same thing. In Isaiah 9:6," a son has been given," Who gave the son? Anytime u hear the term "Father & son", is that ever a relationship of two person with equal status? I no know wetin happen to your brain.....
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Primesky dey quote John 8:56-59 " I am " & twist Exodus 3:14.. Oga Primesky, the present tense "I am". does not exist in Hebrew language or their manuscript of Exodus 3;14..

It's very fraudulent & dishonest to pass off the Greek "I am" (ego himi ) as if it's Hebrew language..


The Hebrew "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh" (in Exodus 3:14 ) meaning "I will be what /who I will be" has no connection whatsoever with "I am that I am" (or the Greek ego himi. ) .
"I AM" na fake slogan to defend a lie.


Besides, John chapter 8:12-58, Jesus only said he had been in existence before Abraham was born & he (Jesus) was sent by his Father ,God Almighty , to bear witness on earth.


Dear Nairalanders. , the Trinity fallacy is built on the counterfeit insertion of "I AM" into Exodus 3:14, which does not exist in Hebrew language or manuscript.
(Sourced from "Exodus 3:14 chabad.org".

budaatum:
Could you show where Theos is translated as 'god' in John 1:1 please? I have not found it anywhere.

The Greek manuscript is in lowercase.
The Greek manuscript transliteration of John 1:1 word for word, Greek to English can be Sourced from "John 1:1 wikipedia".
The Apostle John in John 1:1 never said " the word is the god" (Almighty Father). That's the unpopular truth that Trinitarian folks can not admit.

budaatum:
I can't say I understand your position here OneJ, if you could indulge me.

To begin with, most English Bibles have In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. With capital Word and God, so where did you get yours with small letters 'word' and 'god'?

Sourced from : "John 1:1 wikipedia " (pls Google it). Look out for the subheading captioned "Source texts & translations".
U will find out that that the popular version of John 1:1 in many English Bibles actually twisted & distorted the Greek manuscript. The Greek manuscript word for word in English reads :
"in beginning was the word ,& the word was with ( toward ,facing ) the god ,& god was the word".
(Everything there is lowercase.).

The Coptic Sahidic version ( "in beginning existed the word, & the word existed with the god ,& a god was the word" is more correct than the popular version in English.

English Bibles says : "In the beginning was the Word & the Word was with God & the Word was God".
Pls check am well well, are the popular English Bible versions actually faithful to the manuscript ?
The wikipedia affirmed that the. " the collwell rule is often misapplied ". to defend Trinity. U can check all the endnotes attached there in.
Shalom

The forgeries in the Scriptures to support the Trinity .
Actual rendering of 1Tim3:16 . "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great. He appeared in a body......"
The forged version (in KJV), reads "God was manifest in the flesh".
In the codice sinaiticus & other older manuscripts "God" wasn't there in the manuscript. These fraudulent people inserted "God" to sweeten their lie.

budaatum:
Do me a favour please. Post me Greek for Genesis 1:1. We do know the god there is the big G God. Lets compare with how its written in Greek.

Pls read & digest Prov8:22-30.Hebr 1:1-3. Gen 1:1,26. Coloss1:15,16 . 1Cor 15:24-28
Then ,John 1:1,2. will make more sense to U. ( As for your request ,if i can. but pls give me time..). Shalom

Primesky:
May God forgive you for this lies. Those who know the true Christ Jesus will certainly see that you're an Antichrist.

How come the small letters for God?. Is that what the Greek letter showed you?.

. The Greek language has a problem with definite and indefinite article placement.


I began this argument with you guys thinking you were Christians with a divergent view, not knowing I was discussing with haters of Jesus Christ. You have lied and twisted scriptures out of context, and you are loudest.


You have equated Jesus Christ with Paul, and placed them on the same scale, please tell me what else do you expect me to tell a person like that?.


Non of you agreed to answer my questions, and the only argument you had was that it's not part of the discussion.

The above are the twists & somersaults of Primesky.
The best means to expose false allegations is solid evidence.
Here is the Greek transliteration (word for word translation) of John 1:1 to English, as it is in the Greek manuscript.
Greek:
"En archei en ho logos ,kai ho logos en pros ton theon ,kai theos en ho logos"

English : "in beginning was the word, and the word was with the god, and god was the word"

Source: John 1:1 wikipedia.. (From the sub heading "source texts & translations.).

(i) The first observation is that the texts is small letters.
Primesky lied that JWs changed it & "twisted scriptures out of contexts." Also, he said "how come the small letter for God? Is that what the Greek letter showed you?"

Na him Trinity peddlers remove small letter "god" as eee dey for manuscript & twist am to big letter "God" to make their Trinity lie lie sweet for their own ears.

Nairalanders, una dey see as him dey throw shade & post falsehood & distort the truth?
For John 1:1 , If U check am well well the Greeks
call Baba God Almighty "the god" & come say "the word" na small god. That is the difference: Baba GOD ALMIGHTY na "the god" . Jesus the word na god . But him no be "the god" Almighty Jah.



(ii) Primesky said "the Greek language has a problem with definite & indefinite article placement"
He is a liar & he can twist anything to suit his whim & falsehood.
The Greek language has no problem with the definite article . For instance "The" is used frequently in Greek. John 1:1 says "the word was with the god". "The" stand gidigba for Greek language& for inside manuscript.

Primesky, U said "may God forgive U for your lies". Na which lie be that ?

(1) Pls, tell Nairalanders & our guests, did U at anytime made these statements below (in quote ) on this thread?
Pls answer 'Yes' or 'No'

"the reason for having 'a god' rather than just God , is nothing but religious bias. "

" 'a' destroys the meaning & intent" of the Bible verse.


(2) Your posts led to my questions below.

My questions for U :
(Q1) Remove 'a' from Acts 28:6, is apostle Paul GOD?
Also, remove 'a' from Acts 12:22, is King Herod GOD ?
(2) In the Greek manuscript ( Source: john 1:1 wikipedia) of John 1:1 ,is it "God" that U saw there or "god"?
(Q3) In the English language, does "god" or "God" mean the same thing?
Abegi, use your church mind answer all of them ooo!
Shalom.

(3) At first , did U reply ? No !
Initially, Primesky said. " Answer the questions I asked you and your colleagues first and stop your rigmarolling" .

In your further response, U resorted to name calling & casting aspersions. Until "Buudatom" gave his response & U come use style reply dey throw shade spiced with more lies.
Never at anytime did I lie against U. ( U have no proof)

Primesky:
If all the answers I have given you is not OK, so be it for you. It's clear context doesn't exist in your religious practice. All this is done just to discredit the deity of Jesus Christ. You have failed already, because you all will bow before Him. Twist the scriptures, misquote it as you like, it won't shift the reality.

I thank God so much, because this discussion with you guys have opened my eyes to really see who Jehovah witnesses truly are and what they represent. My concern is for those among you who do not really know what's happening.

I have never seen any group of persons who can twist facts and truth like you guys, including going against context, direct open lies. The naive person will even think you're Christians, what a lie!.

May the God of grace open your eyes like He has done for some among you, who you now call unrepentant wrong doers.

Kwe keeeey !!!!! See person wey run like Usain Bolt because of 3 simple questions wey kindergarten pupil go answer sharp sharp.
U wey your own NL posts dey confuse U ,na which kain truth U wan give others?
Ok, na confusion transmission..
Hahahahahahaaaaa !!!!!!

OneJ:
Primesky, U said "the reason for having 'a god' rather than just God , is nothing but religious bias. "
Also, U claimed that " 'a' destroys the meaning & intent" of the Bible verse.
My questions for U :
(Q1) Remove 'a' from Acts 28:6, is apostle Paul GOD?
Also, remove 'a' from Acts 12:22, is King Herod GOD ?
(2) In the Greek manuscript ( Source: john 1:1 wikipedia) of John 1:1 ,is it "God" that U saw there or "god"?
(Q3) In the English language, does "god" or "God" mean the same thing?
Abegi, use your church mind answer all of them ooo!
Shalom.

Primesky, U see your life? U dey run like Usain Bolt because your posts U made here done expose the falsehood U wan defend.
Based on the posts/ statements U made on this thread (which i quoted) above, I asked U to respond to 3 Questions listed here (Q1,Q2& Q3). ( I no lie against Primesky oo! Make una read & see him posts 4 dis thread.)
Shameless, pathological liar, U dey throw shade to cover up .... Eee no go save U & U no go fit dodge am at all !!
Nairalanders & distinguished guests who follow this thread, can U see how hard, fraudulent & frightening it can be to defend the man made fallacy called Trinity ?
Make una help me beg Primesky to respond to the 3 questions wey make am run pass Usain Bolt.
Honourable men do not disclaim & contradict their posts/ statements on NL, unlike these confused characters who come here to defend what Jesus himself neither taught nor believed in.

Primesky:
Hahaha... What a clever way to dodge. Answer the questions there. Rather than seek the truth about your religion, you're protecting the lie.

If you don't answer those questions, I will create a thread for it. You guys can't continue to fool people around by claiming to be servants and believers in Jesus Christ. If you would not want to know, others should.

Nobody stops U from opening another thread to discuss another topic or any other topic U want.
But ,as an honourable man (I believe that U are), Pls, use your Church mind to provide answers to those listed questions ( Remove 'a'. from Acts 12:22, is King Herod GOD? this one join ooo !!) These questions are at the heart of this Trinity topic of this thread. Shalom

Primesky:
Answer the questions I asked you and your colleagues first and stop this your rigmarolling up and down. Even if you see you will still pretend or twist it. Answer the questions first, did they happen or not?.

Oga Primesky, the first commandment of Nairalaland says thou shalt not derail threads by posting off topic. ( The topic of this thread is. Trinity ,anything else is off topic). I refuse to believe that U want to derail this thread.
Pls, answer the questions listed above. Shalom.

Primesky:
There is no merit in your argument. The reason for having 'a god' rather than just God, is nothing but religious bias. There is no 'a' anywhere in the original Greek text, so why add it?. Wouldn't that change the meaning?. The quiestion is, why did you guys change the lettering?. To suit what?. Your creed and believe. Go and translate the Greek word, word for word and see what you'll get. Stop lying here. How does that sound in your ears?. And the word was a god?. Stop the lies please.

Primesky, U said "the reason for having 'a god' rather than just God , is nothing but religious bias. "
Also, U claimed that " 'a' destroys the meaning & intent" of the Bible verse.
My questions for U :
(Q1) Remove 'a' from Acts 28:6, is apostle Paul GOD?
Also, remove 'a' from Acts 12:22, is King Herod GOD ?
(2) In the Greek manuscript ( Source: john 1:1 wikipedia) of John 1:1 ,is it "God" that U saw there or "god"?
(Q3) In the English language, does "god" or "God" mean the same thing?
Abegi, use your church mind answer all of them ooo!
Shalom.

Primesky:
There is no merit in your argument. The reason for having 'a god' rather than just God, is nothing but religious bias. There is no 'a' anywhere in the original Greek text, so why add it?. Wouldn't that change the meaning?. The quiestion is, why did you guys change the lettering?. To suit what?. Your creed and believe. Go and translate the Greek word, word for word and see what you'll get. Stop lying here. How does that sound in your ears?. And the word was a god?. Stop the lies please.

Primesky, make I break am down for U to understand.
John 1:1 manuscript reads : "in beginning was the word & the word was toward or facing (with) the god , & god was the word".
Pls, note these points I will shortly highlight.
In your Bible , it reads " In the beginning.." Addition of 'the' beginning gives it a more precise meaning. Let's move forward.
The phrase "the word" gives a precise identity of some one (we know he is Jesus). The next sentence "..& the word was toward or facing (with) the god..".
From a careful & critical observation ,we see "the word" & some one else, "the god".
We have already known that "the word" is an identity of Jesus. Then,who is "the god"? The Almighty Father. Pls note ,we have two distinct personalities here ("the word & the god" ) side by side (not one entity but two entities). The final sentence reads "& god was the word". Here lies the bone of contention. Pls look at sentence well well. "and god was the word". We already know that "the word" is an identity of some one, Jesus. Also, "the god"
too is an identity of the Almighty Father. Let's be honest "and god..." lacks a definite article 'the' attached to it (that verse did not say " and the god was the word".. Therefore, in that final sentence, " god" is not the concrete identity of any entity. But , it points to a quality that is divine or godlike. Also, note that "was god" na past tense ooo!!!!
More so, John never said Jesus is God. Besides, Christ himself never said he is God. He always said he is the son whom his Father, God sent to save man (unless u wanna twist a Bible verse & put your own meaning). Addition of " 'a' god " gives precise meaning synonymous with scripture. Acts28:6. Ps 82:6. John 10:34. 1Cor 8:4-6. Shalom

Primesky:
Mr OneJ stop twisting the truth here please. The original Greek text doesn't have that article 'a' in it. Different languages and translators add it to make sense in there own language but it destroys the meaning and intent. Do you ever use context in your speech and wrighting?. You're saying because acts 28 vs 6 has the same grammatical construct, therefore it must be the same thing. But clearly they not!.

Apart from the JWs, there are other religions which do not believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God let alone God. So having other interpretation and version makes no sense to me. I had thought you guys were Christians before but I was wrong. A totally different religion built on lies and deceit and you aren't even aware of it. I will not argue with you like this anymore since I now know what you guys do and what you represent. I have always had a false knowledge of JWs. I know you guys and not telling the absolute truth but not like I have seen. You can twist and lie to defend your position.

I will hence forth be posting the lies and deceit of this cult. Not for hatred or anything like that, but for your own benefit. Some of you don't even know what you are into.

From those who have been with you and those who have extensive research of your falsehood. I wish you would be humble enough to read the materials.

For the fact that my own words and point here are being deliberately twisted and misinterpreted means we will never make head way. I want you guys to disprove the lies your religion teaches you. Please be honest. Thank you.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5719164060696576/jehovahs-witnesses-taught-lie-but-then-lie-about-lying

Your lie lie too much. If "a god" never changed or "destroy the meaning & intent" of Acts 28:6 neither would "a god" in John 1:1 change anything. BTW,why are U still dodging the question: In English, does "god" in the manuscript mean the same thing as "God" which is not in the manuscript?
Besides, your claim "you're saying because Acts28:6 has the same grammatical construct, therefore, it must be the same thing." That's the honest, professional conclusion of
Bible Scholars & experts of Greek language (non of them be JW) who know the language more than U & I. They spoke the truth. Your korokoro lie lie for their head speaks volumes about your credibility..
Why U dey fear to respond to "An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruption" (wikipedia) & the footnote of 1John5:7 ( NKJV with references.(or type in 1John 5:7 in biblegateway.com.).
& the other link, "Exodus 3:14 (chabad.org)"?

Prime sky said "what is the meaning of begotten in the original context of the Greek language....?"
The Greek word for begotten is monogenes. The Greek meaning is often applied to mean "one of a kind, one & only, only legitimate child or special child.
The word is used in Hebrew 11:17-19 to describe Isaac, the son of Abraham" .
In a nutshell mono means 'only one' while 'genes' means "born of","produced by".
My question for U: Abraham & Isaac, is theirs a relationship of two equal personalities (as una dey claim), or is it a Father & son relationship ,like Christ & his Father? The word 'begotten' is strictly applied to Father & son relationships. Both of them are never equal. ( John14:28, 1 Cor 11:3). Primesky, any how U wan twist am, U go expose Trinity as falsehood.
Source: monogenes (wikipedia)

OneJ:
Primesky, there are over 13 different Bible translations ( including one of the oldest Bible known to man, the 2nd Century Sahidic Coptic Bible) which reads : " a god was the word" or "the word was a god". They followed what's in the Greek manuscript.

Please find & read this Thread "Is the Greek manuscript of John 1:1 proof of Trinity?".

Acts 28:6 & John 1:1 (KJV) are very similar in Greek grammar & in the manuscript "god" is there in small letters. Una agree say na "a god" in Acts28:6 as una see am for the manuscript but when una see John 1:1 ,una come change small letter "god" wey dey manuscript to big letter "God" wey no dey manuscript.
Primesky, Is that not fraudulent?
Primesky, answer this question with your church mind: in English does "god" & "God" have the same meaning?
Una dey forge 1John5:7 & 1tim 3:16 (KJV) ,una go forge "Godhead" put for KJV where as the older manuscripts says "divine". Una still forge "I am" put for Hebrew scriptures where as "I am" no dey any Hebrew scripture manuscript. Trinity is a confirmed fallacy. Una no dey tire to twist God's word to defend una lie lie. Jesus is the son of God. No two ways about it.

That ex-JW wey U dey follow up & down online, U dey fear to ask am to tell U why JW drive am komot ? He is an unrepentant wrongdoer. I know him type. No atom of truth dey dia mouth.


Primesky, U said "Are these things you know for yourself or they are the things you were told? ....That explains why you don't believe the bible. It is natural that you would believe what your religion (Jehovah's witness or watchtower) tells you...."
Plus other lie lie U post for this thread.
I just dey pity U !!
These are some of the references U can research & investigate . Just take your time. Read everything thoroughly. Then ,come back here to tell Nairalanders whether na JWs write am & make U refute these evidences presented here with solid proof. Be ready to check & cross check different Bible translations.
(1) Source : john 1:1 wikipedia. (Pls Google it & open the first link & read everything,plus endnotes).

(2) Pls Google "An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruption "

(3) Pls Google "Exodus 3:14 (chabad.org)" Truth no dey hide but U must be ready to search for it yourself. Humility is the key. Shalom.

Primesky, this is for your attention. Pls, check & research the links above. Shalom.

Primesky:
What a pity!. Who is is confused my brother?. With this mindset of yours, you can never learn. What is the meaning of begotten in the original contest of the Greek language from which that passage was translated?. Can you find out and stop these lies.

You guys twist the scriptures to suit you, and make the word of God a lie. Look at what what your version of the bible says in comparison with what other versions says in John chapter one.

John 1:1 NWT In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
- Jehovah Witness Bible

Really?!, the word was a god?. Like seriously?, is that the way it is?.

John 1:1 KJV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.- Christian Bible

This is what you will find in almost all other version of the bible. So why is yours different?.

This is just one of those falsehood you've been taught. So much attempt to deny the diety of Jesus Christ. Your religion went as far as saying Jesus Christ is angel Michael. With all these, it becomes difficult for you to accept the truth. I will urge and beg you to do a thorough study, and know the true Jesus Christ.

To think that you will see the verdict of the Bible and still maintain your position is staggeringly shocking!. Wait, do you even read my post?. Whatever is not in your new world translation bible is fake, is that so?.

You can choose to believe whatever you believe. The only falsifiers of scriptures I have ever seen so far are from the Jehovah witnesses. You the members are not even aware what your chief slaves have done.

You guys believe that your version is the only correct version of scripture, and so even when the truth is presented to you, you will twist it and deny an obvious truth. But no matter how you twist it, know that you will never be able to undo the truth.

If you like remain on earth, but when Jesus comes, I will go with Him to heaven, that's His promise and no man nor angel can tell me otherwise and I believe. How can you be denying an open truth. Lord please have mercy!.

If you want to know about the religion you're in, follow this man on YouTube (Jwtruthministry). He is a former member of your religion, he will show you some hidden and secret things about your religion, you're not aware of. Let it not be like I said it. Go search it out yourself.

I wish you repent and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal saviour. Shalom.

Primesky, there are over 13 different Bible translations ( including one of the oldest Bible known to man, the 2nd Century Sahidic Coptic Bible) which reads : " a god was the word" or "the word was a god". They followed what's in the Greek manuscript.

Please find & read this Thread "Is the Greek manuscript of John 1:1 proof of Trinity?".

Acts 28:6 & John 1:1 (KJV) are very similar in Greek grammar & in the manuscript "god" is there in small letters. Una agree say na "a god" in Acts28:6 as una see am for the manuscript but when una see John 1:1 ,una come change small letter "god" wey dey manuscript to big letter "God" wey no dey manuscript.
Primesky, Is that not fraudulent?
Primesky, answer this question with your church mind: in English does "god" & "God" have the same meaning?
Una dey forge 1John5:7 & 1tim 3:16 (KJV) ,una go forge "Godhead" put for KJV where as the older manuscripts says "divine". Una still forge "I am" put for Hebrew scriptures where as "I am" no dey any Hebrew scripture manuscript. Trinity is a confirmed fallacy. Una no dey tire to twist God's word to defend una lie lie. Jesus is the son of God. No two ways about it.

That ex-JW wey U dey follow up & down online, U dey fear to ask am to tell U why JW drive am komot ? He is an unrepentant wrongdoer. I know him type. No atom of truth dey dia mouth.



OneJ Replies :
Primesky, U said "Are these things you know for yourself or they are the things you were told? ....That explains why you don't believe the bible. It is natural that you would believe what your religion (Jehovah's witness or watchtower) tells you...."
Plus other lie lie U post for this thread.
I just dey pity U !!
These are some of the references U can research & investigate . Just take your time. Read everything thoroughly. Then ,come back here to tell Nairalanders whether na JWs write am & make U refute these evidences presented here with solid proof. Be ready to check & cross check different Bible translations.
(1) Source : john 1:1 wikipedia. (Pls Google it & open the first link & read everything,plus endnotes).

(2) Pls Google "An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruption "

(3) Pls Google "Exodus 3:14 (chabad.org). Truth no dey hide but U must be ready to search for it yourself. Humility is the key. Shalom.

"Hecedh" also spelt. "checedh" ,the exact Hebrew word there meaning loving kindness. It is synonymous or equivalent to mercy ,goodness, kindness or brotherly love.
In Hebrew "ehyeh asher ehyeh" means. " I will become what/who I will become" ( Exodus 3:14 ). "Ego himi ho on " is not the Greek equivalent for Hebrew's ehyeh asher ehyeh. Stop being dishonest,Oga Pastor. White can never be black. pls Stick to the bitter truth.