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asalimpo:
The RSV,NIV,ASV
are derived from the catholic corrupted vulgate which heavily altered the original texts.
The catholic church has massive incentive to suppress the word- they had the money,
the organization and the intent. They spear headed the inquisition.
For centuries they kept millions of people under religious bondage by outright lies and
deciet.

They are just too many greek manuscripts for any single entity to corrupt. Over 5000+.
Who had the resources or the organizational know how to execute such a forgery?
That's like corrupting a statement made on the internet today!! CAn you? Honestly can you?
Once something has gone online - it's gone and archived forever? The infomation will spread.
That's how they were able to have so mny greek manuscripts. Faithful christians spread the word.
The truth cannot be hidden.

The Latin Vulgate wey be the main text for translation of KJV wey una dey fancy like holy grail naim U dey call "Catholic corrupted Vulgate". I dey laugh in Chinese.
Guy ,as far as 1st John5:7
is concerned ,the KJV is a confirmed forgery.
If U know, U know. Facts are sacred.
...

asalimpo:
The watchtower bible derived from a wescot and hort translation.
The wescot and hort duo were occultists and spiritists.
Are you going to deny that too? or the spiritists organization deny they were practitioners?
here is a quote about the man , Wescott:

" Westcott was an Alexandrian mystic and a necromancer. Any REPUTABLE scholarly work such as The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Encyclopedia Britannica, etc, will verify this fact. Read any of Westcott's writings and you will come away with the confirmation that he was a prototype New Ager and as boring as watching a submarine race."


Here is a video on youtube talking more on these.
But before we get into this, why would Russel, use a secret society symbol if he had no association with the cult? The pyramid and the all seeing eye? (illuminati?) , the translation is the NEW WORLD ORDER TRANLSATION. Coincidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikUzTKBPYx4

I dont see what point you are trying to make with gen 22 v14: Abraham memorialized a place by giving God a name (yes, man gave God a name) . In order words Abraham, blessed the name of the Lord by giving Him a new name related to a function of God - provision ...perfectly normal. Like i said, God has MANY names. MANY.
Invoking a7ny of His many names is scriptural and perfectly okay.
Jehovah-rapha (my healer)
etc

Asalimpo, why do u deceive yourself? Is English language too hard for U to understand? Genesis 22:14 says Abraham called that place Jehovah jireh.
Abraham NEVER gave God a name. Rather,he gave a place it's name. Don't get it twisted. Stop the fallacy !
When someone disagrees with U guys & expose your fallacy & falsehood, U quickly tag him a "cultist or a heretic". No be today eee start. Agents of Copy & paste falsehood.

asalimpo:
The watchtower bible derived from a wescot and hort translation.
The wescot and hort duo were occultists and spiritists.
Are you going to deny that too? or the spiritists organization deny they were practitioners?
here is a quote about the man , Wescott:

" Westcott was an Alexandrian mystic and a necromancer. Any REPUTABLE scholarly work such as The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Encyclopedia Britannica, etc, will verify this fact. Read any of Westcott's writings and you will come away with the confirmation that he was a prototype New Ager and as boring as watching a submarine race."


Here is a video on youtube talking more on these.
But before we get into this, why would Russel, use a secret society symbol if he had no association with the cult? The pyramid and the all seeing eye? (illuminati?) , the translation is the NEW WORLD ORDER TRANLSATION. Coincidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikUzTKBPYx4

I dont see what point you are trying to make with gen 22 v14: Abraham memorialized a place by giving God a name (yes, man gave God a name) . In order words Abraham, blessed the name of the Lord by giving Him a new name related to a function of God - provision ...perfectly normal. Like i said, God has MANY names. MANY.
Invoking a7ny of His many names is scriptural and perfectly okay.
Jehovah-rapha (my healer)
etc

Asalimpo, why do u deceive yourself? Is English language too hard for U to understand? Genesis 22:14 says Abraham called that place Jehovah jireh.
Abraham NEVER gave God a name. Rather,he gave a place it's name. Don't get it twisted. Stop the fallacy !

asalimpo:
The watchtower bible derived from a wescot and hort translation.
The wescot and hort duo were occultists and spiritists.
Are you going to deny that too? or the spiritists organization deny they were practitioners?
here is a quote about the man , Wescott:

" Westcott was an Alexandrian mystic and a necromancer. Any REPUTABLE scholarly work such as The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Encyclopedia Britannica, etc, will verify this fact. Read any of Westcott's writings and you will come away with the confirmation that he was a prototype New Ager and as boring as watching a submarine race."


Here is a video on youtube talking more on these.
But before we get into this, why would Russel, use a secret society symbol if he had no association with the cult? The pyramid and the all seeing eye? (illuminati?) , the translation is the NEW WORLD ORDER TRANLSATION. Coincidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikUzTKBPYx4

I dont see what point you are trying to make with gen 22 v14: Abraham memorialized a place by giving God a name (yes, man gave God a name) . In order words Abraham, blessed the name of the Lord by giving Him a new name related to a function of God - provision ...perfectly normal. Like i said, God has MANY names. MANY.
Invoking a7ny of His many names is scriptural and perfectly okay.
Jehovah-rapha (my healer)
etc

Asalimpo, why do u deceive yourself? Is English language too hard for U to understand? Genesis 22:14 says Abraham called that place Jehovah jireh.
Abraham NEVER gave God a name. Rather,he gave a place it's name. Don't get it twisted. Stop the fallacy !

@ Asalimpo : The forgery in 1John5:7 "the father the word & the holy ghost: These three are one" is NOT found in any Greek manuscript before the 16th century".
The oldest Greek manuscripts do not contain that forgery inserted into the scripture. Check RSV ,NIV ,ASV etc that forgery no dey.

asalimpo:
if Jireh is not God's name what is it?
As for your JW.org lies - incredulous lies, listing them all would be too much work.
Baptism into the name of the Organization!!
Charles taze russel - a 33rd degree freemason started religion,what do you expect from such a one, the truth?

Let me ask you a question - How can you be saved? Do they teach you that at your meetings?

Guy ,you are very deceitful & dishonest to yourself. In your own words "if jireh is not God's name, then what is it " God's word in Genesis 22:14 proves that U are a liar.

"The Grand Lodge of British Columbia & Yukon has said that Charles Taze Russell was NOT a Freemason" & even his extended family never had any ties to them.
.
"The symbols of the cross & crown are not exclusive to Masonry but pre-dates the fraternity"
Source: Charles Taze Russell (wikipedia.org ).
Guy,do U have any more lies in your kitty? Shameless SERIAL LIAR .

@Asalimpo ,again U lied that "the JW pervert the word of God by changing the scripture to say that Jesus isn't God in John1:1 in other Bible except NWT".
Guy ,U too sabi lie .
To start with, John1 :1 in over 14 different Bible versions reads "a god was the word" .Why ? Because they know that the trinity doctrine is a FRAUD.
The John 1:1 transliteration of the Greek manuscript to English reads thus:
"In beginning was the word and the word was with the god & god was the word."
That is what the Greek manuscript says.
The 2nd century Sahidic Coptic Bible reads : "In the beginning existed the word and the word existed with the god and a god was the word".
Asalimpo ,does "god" & "God" have the same meaning in English language?
Between the NWT ,Sahidic Coptic Bible & KJV, who adhered faithfully to the Greek manuscript ? In the Greek manuscript, Acts28:6 & John 1:1 have the same grammatical construction. Yet,the fraud was perpetuated by your 'fellow gang members' (trinitarians) changing small letter. "god" in John 1:1 to big letter "God" to fraudulently alter the scripture.
Again, the fraud was perpetuated in 1Tim3:16 "God was manifest in the flesh" (KJV) but the Greek manuscript reads: "He who appeared in the flesh..."
Another fraud is 1st John5:7(KJV) ".. the father the word & the holy ghost:& these three are one". (what a cold blooded forgery! )
But the Greek manuscript actually reads: " There are three that testify". Then v8. begins.
Asalimpo, wetin una no go do just. to defend a fallacy borrowed from pagans !
(Source: John1:1 wikipedia)
Asalimpo,how many more lies do U have to spread in other to malign Jehovah's holy name & his people?

THE FOUNDATIONAL LIES OF ASALIMPO part 2.
U run komot from part 1 where your serial lies were exposed & U come open your market for part.2 . Jehovah jireh na d name of God? Lie again make God's word the Bible expose U. (Gen22:14).

Riofidelio:
Please my friend, I don't understand what you meant by RESPECT. Is it to acknowledge that someone has his/her own religion and permit him/her to practice it without any form of abuse either verbal or otherwise? Or is it to conform to every religious ideologies that comes your way by PARTICIPATING during their worship as in prayer and songs? Because i thought RESPECT is like saying an Ibo man living in Lagos amongst Yorubas will walk away gently to his business during their masquerade festivals and respect them when their tradition demands a curfew. Or are you saying he should join the masqueraders during their festivities to show Respect? I don't think anybody has the audacity to infringe on his right if he chooses not to participate,neither is he respecting them if he speaks against them during the festival or tries to dishonor their tradition by breaking their curfew. It would rather be appropriate if he speaks with his neighbor(maybe one of them)later about it perhaps to reason and know the significance of such customs.

My Bro, no mind their deceit & follow follow mentality. Blind guides leading blind guides.

Emusan:
You're not too smart, anyway I know you people lack simple comprehension or deliberately twisting the truth.

Both the Op and I never said God's name never appeared in the Bible (get that into your skull) but wrong pronunciation and formulation which YOUR ORGANIZATION KNOWS ABOUT but still WENT AHEAD TO PROMOTE

like I asked in my previous thread that dealt with a topic like this, will the Catholic monk who formulated the Latin name be part of the Little flocks or not?

@Emusan,why dodge the question: na JW form the name & put am "Jehovah" for Bible ? U have no quarrel with Jehovah being in the Bible but are against "wrong pronunciation & formulation." For your mind U have no quarrel with the message but u dey vex for the messenger.
Emusan, are U high on something?
Jesus is not the actual "pronunciation & formulation" of the name in Hebrew but u see nothing wrong with it being called "Jesus" (anglicised form of the Greek Iesous). But ,when it involved the God's name (YHWH in Hebrew) ,una dey vex dey against the divine name.
Your hypocrisy & double standards speak volumes. Your real intent to silence God's name will never succeed (una no go no fit do shishi !!).

Hairyrapunzel:
Why are you always fixated with punishment to be given by your jehovah to people who don't agree With your doctrine/Bible interpretation? Na wa o.

A wicked man runneth when no one pursueth him. The guilty are always afraid of their own shadow. . Why eee be say the punishment of Jehovah dey give u sleepless night & High BP? Your problem no get cure. Walahi !!!

@Emusan,psalms 83:18 reads "that men may know that thou whose name is JEHOVAH' art the Most High over all the earth".
Emusan, i have one question for U: na JWs write that verse for Bible?
Twist Psalms 83:18 as it pleases U.
Your sentimental rants can't change God's word. "
Jehovah is the name of the Most High God.

asalimpo:
They are foundational lies told by the WATCHTOWER society. The organization that runs the jw system.
Yet it seems most jw's refuse to question these lies or are just to scared of doing so for fear of punishment of some kind. Any thinking man would question these claims if he is really interested in knowing the truth before entrusting his soul and destiny to a doctrine.

1) All bible translations took out the name of God from the bible.
When a jw is preaching to you, they start out with this blatant lie.
But it's easy to test this allegation.
Find the manuscripts from which the bibles are translated from and find the name(s) of God in them.
These false religion has to set this lie up because it gives them credibility to push their own bible as being authentic-and others as being corrupted.

2) God has one name
This is another lie marketed by this organization.
It's so subtle that it's unquestioned.
Even mainstream pentecostals wont question this.
But this isnt so.
Judaism, which predates jw, recognize seven main names of God.
El,Elohim,El shaddai, and the tetragrammaton (YHWH)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism

3) JEHOVAH is the name of God
Do you question this?
I didnt until i did some research.
Since the Jw's are so particular about the name of the God and how it must be hallowed,
and so on! Why did they go with the corrupt name and not the proper name .
JEHOVAH IS A mash of YHWH and ADONAI (this was initially invented by a spanish dominican monk, raymondus martini, and it spread like wild fire. In their earlier publications the watchtower society used to point to the origins of this name, but later removed this reminder. )
The name Jehovah is derived by inserting the vowels of ADONIA inbetween the tetragrammaton then changing the first letter 'Y' to 'J'!
Consider this reverence of God's Name with the way the Hebrew scribes reverenced it. The scribes considered God's name so sacred that a scribe would bath seven times before penning the name! Talk less of changing it to suit his tastes.
If the JW's are so particular about God's name, they should have preserved it as YHWH in their texts.
if the jw's are so exact about God's name, a latinized parallel can be derived from the tetragrammaton.
no need for the morphing into jehovah.
Moreover there's no 'j' in hebrew.

here is a video on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWzetMUXPGo
The watchtower used to admit the unoriginality of the name jehovah before in their earlier publications but
have since deleted such commentary.

There is an argument that is some what valid that all names in the bible are latinized,that is they are not in their original hebrew/greek form. e.g There is no 'Jesus', 'Abraham' etc in the original texts. True.
But the original words, be they hebrew or greek closely (that's the word) mirror their latin forms.
Daveed mirrors David
Yehoshua mirrors Joshua
Moshe mirrors Moses (somewhat)
etc
YHWH mirrors JEHOVAH?! Think again!

4)
The watch tower organization allude to the idea that anytime the word name is mentioned in the bible in reference to God it means his name-YHWH (or Jehovah) for them.
A little thinking would prove this wrong.
e.g there's a verse that says that the name of the Lord is a strong tower the righteous run into it and are safe (paraphrase)
but we also see that the hebrews attributed certain attributes to names.
e.g. some of the patraichs blessed God with a name after certain encounters e.g
calling God , Jehovah-Ebenezzer, Jehovah-Jireh, etc
and we see God naming people so that the people could live up to the destiny the encapsulated in the meaninig of the name. e.g Abram to Abraham (father of many nations)
Sarai to sarah,
etc
Lucifer to satan (accuser)
It therefore goes without reasoning that when faced with a problem, the children of God in the old covenant would invoke the name of God most applicable to the problem faced rather than a generic name.
In sickness it would be the God my Healer.
In war , the God of War (the Lord of Host)
In famine, the Lord my provider etc
each name would be a strong tower and fortress!
We also see this in the names of Jesus!
He is the lamb that takes away the sins of the world- note how John the baptists didnt say , behold , Jesus (the Christ) but rather used a more appropriate name - the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world (etc).

These core set of lies are used to establish converts in their religious system.
They are other lies they perpetrate which have been variously exposed elsewhere.

THE FOUNDATIONAL LIES OF ASALIMPO.
@Asalimpo ,that is the proper caption of the trash U put up above.
"That men may know that thou ,whose name is Jehovah, art the Most High over all the earth"- Psalms 83:18.
The name of the Most High God is Jehovah.
Asalimpo,your series of lies can't change what God's word says.

In your own words "some of the patriarchs blessed God with a name after certain encounters eg Jehovahjireh".
Lets see what God's word says ,
Gen 22:14: "and Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah jireh".
Una see am? Jehovah jireh is the name of a place.
1Sam7:12, "then Samuel took a stone & set it between Mizpeh & Shen & called the name of it Ebenezer". Nairalanders, una see am, the name of a stone between mizpeh & shen was called Ebenezer.
Today ,Brazzaville the capital of Republic of Congo ,was named after the French man, Pierre Savorgnan de Brazza. It does not mean his name is Brazzaville. nor change his name to Brazzaville. .
In like manner, Jehovah jireh is NOT the name of the Most High God.
In the Hebrew manuscript "the name of Jehovah is a strong tower.." Of a truth the phrase "the name of the lord " is actually a man made contraption.
Pls resist your perennial. itch to spread falsehood & fabricate LIES to malign Jehovah's holy name & His people.
Conclusion: Asalimpo is a SERIAL LIAR.

Hairyrapunzel:
Is it only apostle's teaching you saw there? What about fellowship, prayer and breaking bread together? What about the part that they sold their property and shared the proceeds among the ones that were in need? It's like you just cherry pick. Pick one then turn a blind eye to the rest. Lol

You do something in common with others doesnt make you guys organized and doesn't make your group an organization.
That you are united in one mind doesn't mean you guys organized and that a group is organized doesn't mean they are united in one mind. That a group is organized doesn't make the group an organization.



You tried to twist the the bible by wanting to justify your stance on salvation being guaranteed by joining watchtower organization. You tried to prove the early Christians were organized and tried to prove that governing body was mentioned in the Bible when non of it was ever mentioned.

I pointed out verses where they had disputes amongst the early Christians. Some even had Pharisaical values. Paul and Barnabas had disagreement and went their separate way. The church in Corinth too had dispute about who to follow.
The Ethiopian eunuch happily went on his way after Phillip explained the bible to him. The berean Christians even had to check the scriptures every day to see if what Paul taught them was true. No one was criticized or punished for having a view different from that of the apostles. They weren't zombies or robots.
Nowhere in the Bible did they say joining the congregations guarantees salvation or doing things in common or having a united mind guaranteed salvation.

The word "Jehovah's earthly organization" was first used in watchtower magazines and it was coined by watchtower organization's rulers.

In your own words ," Is it only apostles teaching u saw there? what about fellowship, prayer & breaking of bread together?.... ". Hairyranpunzel , pls ask kindergarten pupils to explain to U the meaning of what u typed above. It's obvious that U are high on something.... No wonder,"your IBERIBEISM no get speedometer" !
Everyone can see through your deceit,bigotry & serial lies on this thread. Si eba puo osiso.

Hairyrapunzel:
You did not read where believer's broke bread, prayed and fellowshipped together? You did not see where believers sold their property and gave to those in need? What do you have to say about that? Or you have not read the Bible on your own? Or watchtower gb has not given you an explanation for those verses? Or gb hasn't given you the go ahead of those verses?

Jehovah's people that enjoy twisting the Bible to fit their toxic and weird views.
I love the toxic blend. You can't deceive me. You will pick one verse out from numerous verses and turn a blind eye to theses numerous verses. Believers had so man things in common and the Bible listed what they used to do together. I guess you guys don't do these things. You won't read your Bible on your own to get first hand gist it is to bring out one verse from a chapter of 47 verses to support that early Christians belonged to an organization. Therefore belonging to watchtower organization in this present century is right. Mtcheww

Hairy,U see your life? Acts2v42: they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching & fellowship..." V43. Everyone of them was filled with awe.. ". V44 "all the believers had everything in common..." . v45. "they sold their property to help the needy...." . v46: "they Continued to meet together.." v47"..the lord added to their number " (blessing them). Yet ,u lied on this thread that they (Jesus Christ's followers) were not organized.
Indeed your IBERIBEISM no get speedometer. walahi !!!!!!!!!!

Apostate freedo & serial liar, resist the itch to malign Jehovah's holy name. Haters & disgruntled individuals go to great lengths to distort & misinform the public about JW. These JW publications (The Watchtower, 1st January, 1997,p26-29 "Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked" & Awake 8th October 1991,p9 among others) studied ,thoroughly. explained how the congregation,families & the community check mates child sexual abuse..
Your deceitful & malicious intent to spread libelous content to defame Jehovah's holy name & his people can not succeed. Isa54:17.
"Any allegation or claim that JW covered up child sexual abuse is absolutely false".

@Pastor AI0: There is no forgery in the NWT Bible or do U mean the forgery in 1John 5:7, 1 Tim3:16, John1:1 KJV that U believe in ? Ignorance is a chronic disease. The oldest Hebrew,Aramaic & Greek manuscripts are available to verify the authentic rendering of God's word in its original form & meaning. NWT is a master piece among. Bible translations.

Hairyrapunzel:
Clap for yourself. Because I pointed out the lies your organization has been tells for over 140years I am now all those things you call? Lol
Acts2:42-47
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

You did not see what the believers did before and after verse 44?
You decided to single out one verse and turn a blind eye to the rest verses. The same believers sold their property and gave it to people in need amongst them. You guys don't do this. Therefore you have nothing in common.
They devoted themselves to teaching, fellowshipping breaking of bread and prayers together. Do you do this? No

So why are you so fixated on only verse 44 when you don't do the rest?

In acts 15 you did not see where Paul and Barnabas had disagreement and went their separate ways?
You are so funny. You couldn't provide the Bible passage where they mentioned governing body.
I still they wait

If joining an organization really guarantees salvation the Ethiopian eunuch would have not happily gone his way after Philip explained the scriptures to him. He would have followed Phillip or rather joined his congregation.
You will pick out one or two verses from numerous verses in a chapter and turn a blind eye to these numerous verses.

Hairyrapunzel, did U actually read Acts2:42-47 & your comment attached to it ?(Abegi, read am again & again) . U just confirmed to Nairalanders , beyond any iota of doubt ,that your brain is nothing but poo.. IBERIBEISM of the highest order. ( Nairalanders ,are U seeing what I am saw ? (in Chief Zebrudaya's voice). Kai !!!!!! I
This is the obvious result of the toxic blend of anger ,bitterness, resentment & hatred for Jehovah's people & His holy name, that is firmly rooted in your heart.

Afamsi:
The founder of Jehovah witnesses is burning in hell fire, you are here defending his doctrine of demons that re sold to you so called JW. You better repent while there is time. Or the same fate awaits you

Afamsi :Just lies & trash u put up there.
I have two questions for U.
Where did God torture Adam as punishment after his death? Where did God torture Sodom & Gomorrah ,Ananias & Saphirra, as well as those destroyed by the flood of Noah's day ? .

@achorladey: Just like Jesus apostles, JWs are humble & meek to adjust their expectations & seek. clearer understanding about various issues.(Mark11:35-45.Matt24:3. Mark14:27-31,50) They were not perfect.. Yet, Jesus molded them because they were humble. Therefore, as we learn more about God's word ,the understanding & expectations of various scriptural issues becomes clearer.. Prov24:16. Prov4:5-7,13,18. Unlike Jesus followers& JW, the clergy & Church goers have stuck tight with their tithe scam even though it has been scripturally proved to be false. Besides ,they hide under the toga of grace & "robust reply" to perpetrate licentiousness & iniquity. JWs are on track despite their human frailty.

Egyptiana:
Has any member of thr governing body ever knocked on your door to teach you that?

No mind that deluded bigot & SERIAL LIAR. His exposure of his level of crassness is unrivalled. Lol

haywizzy007:
Stop being ridiculous, it is like you asking me to show you the word 'bible' in the holy scriptures..
Did God organize people in the past? YES OR NO? Has God changed? YES OR NO?

Rev. 18:4.. And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, MY PEOPLE, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues

what is the meaning of 'my people' in the verse above? disorganization?...lol

Haywizzy 007: Hairy what ever is an obsessed & deluded bigot who is very dishonest to himself. In a previous post on this same thread he could not refute Acts 2:44. 15:22,23
. He was disfellowshipped & turned apostate. Anger,resentment & bitterness are the drive force behind the series of lies, distortion & half truths he dishes out on NL. Him problem no get cure until he humbles himself b4 Jehovah the Most High God.

dolphinheart:
This made me remember my operation at LUTH, I rejected blood being used during the operation, though the operation was postponed for a little while, they eventually agreed to do it and I survived it, still alive till today.
A man beside me did the same operation, he had his before mine and took blood, the operation was successful , but the blood killed him!

Sad but true. We must obey God rather than men. Blood less surgery is a globally acceptable best practices in Medicare.

analice107:
On this note, am incline to think that JW are subtle and undercover Atheists.

@Analice107: The devil himself would be jealous of U because this your lie pass him level. U can't mask your obvious disdain for JW.
Jehovah is the Almighty God Ps83:18.
Jesus is the son of Jehovah matt16:13-17. Our salvation depends on them John 3:16. 14:1. 17:3.
Where did God punish Adam with torture after his death ? Where did God torture Sodom & Gomorrah as punishment?
The Holy scripture says the life span of man is at best, 80yrs. A man lives & sins for 80 yrs ,yet U claim that God will punish him with perpetual torture with out end. Let's be honest with ourselves, is that justice?
Hellfire doctrine can't be morally justified.
The holy book says " For God so loved the world that HE gave his only begotten son. for who so ever believes in him would not be destroyed but have everlasting life". The key word here for unrepentant sinners is:
they will be "DESTROYED".
God set a precedent with Adam, Sodom & Gomorrah, the flood of Noah's day,Ananias & Saphirra etc. (Matt24:36-39. 2Thess1:7-9. Jude 1:7. Rom6:23).
Where did God torture them?
Serve God because u love HIM (there is no fear in love) & don't be cowed by fear of a scam.

Hellfire is a scam. Shalom

[/b][quote author=Emusan post=68302664]My point about their Bible is WHO ARE THE NOTABLE SCHOLARS that involved in the translation of their Bible?


OneJ; JW are taught by Jehovah the only true God. That's what actually counts. John6:45
Which theological school did William Tyndale attend in order to translate KJV Bible? JW's are not seeking for personal glory hence, no individual's name is put forward. NWT is a collective effort. The New World Translation is the best Bible ever- Very easy to read & understand . God's name consistently appears in both OT & NT unlike other bible translations that uses LORD (in big letter) instead of Jehovah (Matt4:4, Jesus quoted Deut8:3 ).



(Emusan) Here we go, I know the Bible says in Isaiah 43:10-12 that "YOU ARE my witness..." but the best question a seeker of truth will ask is who are these YOU the Bible is referring to here?
Also, go to Old Testament you can see many references to God promising to do something but New Testament revealed Jesus to be the actual person doing those things.
If God says you are my witness in the OLD TESTAMENT and the New Testament points to Jesus Christ as the one we all need to witness to, even Jesus Himself said we should be His witnesses. Who are you to decide for God?


OneJ: Who did Jesus witness for? Indeed Jesus witnessed for Jehovah & preached the good news of God's kingdom. .( John18:37. 17:17. 4:34 Mark1:14,15.. Rev3:14. 1Cor11:1)


(Emusan ): If your claim is true, why then they don't go with the KJV translation of John 1:1 as "...and the word was God" but they only go with their own Bible as "...and the word was a god"
isn't that a double standard?

OneJ: The Greek manuscript was actually penned down in small letters. The NWT rendering of John1:1 "..& the word was a god" is indeed very accurate. Over 14 other bible. versions have similar rendering of John1:1. Therefore, as far as English language is. concerned, "god " in small letter. have a different meaning from "God" in big letter.
Besides, the Sahidic Coptic Bible which dates back to the 2nd century reads " ..and a god was the word".
Notable Bible scholars agreed that it is an accurate rendering of the Greek manuscript text.
Infact,the double standard comes from KJV Bible because John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 have the same grammatical construction. Why change "god" in John 1:1 to "God" & leave "a god" intact in Acts28:6? Jesus calls. himself the "son of God" (John3:16. Matt16:13-17. John20:30,31) but trinitarians labeled him. "God the son".

Source :John1:1 wikipedia. (Google John1:1 wikipedia & thoroughly read & ponder over the first link there).

Hairyrapunzel:
God did not destroy the world during Jesus time. Yet some 8 old men who reside in new York and say they are uninspired and fallible and are prone to errors in doctrinal matters and organizational direction think that God will destroy the world and kill 8 billion people so that the 8 million who belong to their business/publishing company called watchtower organization can inherit earth and peoples property. They have been waiting for over 140 years.

U see your life? Make your deluded brain twist am as U like . Your lie, lie. mouth can't change nothing. Titus 1:1,2. Zeph1:14-18. Rev16:14-16. 2Pet3:13. Heb10:36-39.

Obsessed & deluded bigots. Una pain & cry cry on top JW matter just dey start. Eee no get cure. Una done buy market.. Lolz

@damarious: Wetin u find come this thread? U wan join dem SERIAL LIARS dey lie for here, even when u know say JW is not a cult. U were disfellowshipped & now a self confessed atheist. A dog returns to its vomit. 2pet2:18-22. Abegi,shift!!

Hairyrapunzel:
Speculation everywhere and everyday. What is your proof that proponents of trinity changed it?

You guys slander trinitarians a lot.
If the word is a god like you say, is the word a true god or a false god?

For how long will u keep dodging the question, "what did U exchange your brain for?" U be SERIAL LIAR & the devil himself dey envy U as your lie lie done pass him level.. U see solid proof , Yet sharp sharp, your brain done twist am. to "speculation everywhere". "Jesus is a god." ( Ps82:6. John10:34. Acts28:6. Prov8:22-30. Heb1:1-3. 1Cor11:3). Your foolish rants on NL can never change what God's word the Bible says. Abegi ,shift !!!!!

[quote author=Chiedu4Trump post=67458227]My guy I advice u leave those Jehovah Witnesses.
As I have shown their was a Freemason.

You need to understand something about the Godhead made up of God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit!.

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead[ is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Everything about being God is in Jesus.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

That's why the bible who said Jehovah who created all things is actually Jesus.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Now Mr Amateur bible disputer was it not Jehovah that followed Moses & co in the desert


Exodus 13 (KJV)
21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:

22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.


The bible is clear that it's Jesus that followed Moses & co in the desert !

1 Corinthians 10 (KJV)

1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Please leave Jehovah Witnesses it was founded by Freemasons, here is more proof

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw.htm


PS
ON Philippians 2:5-11

Philippians 2:6 says that there Jesus is equal to God the Father and there was nothing wrong for Him to say that!

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:


Thats why the Jews wanted to stone Him becos Jesus made Himself equal to God the Father!

John 5 (KJV)

17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Now please that above verse John 5:18 is clear that Jesus is equal to God the Father!

Now if u remember they worshiped Jesus!

No wise up and bow the knee to Jesus!



watch this video and see more evidence that JW are masonic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAlYhJTQJiI

Follow this link and see hosea 12:14
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/hosea/12/#v28012014







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The stuff that U posted there is nothing but TRASH. The freemason fraternity issued a well publicized public statement that Mr Charles Russel & his family members were never members of their fraternity.
Besides,Jesus himself never said he was equal with God.Rather, it was the Jews who made that false allegation in other to have a convenient excuse to condemn &execute Jesus Christ .
In Acts 17:29, the word "Godhead" is a fraud in kJV. Rather, the Greek manuscript says "divine being". In similar fashion, John1:1 , 1Tim3:16, 1John5:7. Rev1:18 were fraudulent. insertions in the KJV. (Shove aside prejudice & stubborn pride ,do an investigation & see for yourself)
Where u see am for Bible where Jesus gave his Father power or command, sent God on an errand or God prayed to Jesus ? John1:18,1stJohn4:12.
Those who propagate the fallacy that Jesus is God ,in effect, have denied the Son & the position God's only begotten son occupies in God's arrangement. 1stJohn 2:22,23. 1Cor 11:3. Shalom

The Greek manuscript of John 1:1 transliteration to English reads : "in beginning was the word & the word was with the god and god was the word". In the manuscript , "god " is in small letter. It's a monumental FRAUD by trinitarians to change "god" to big letter "God" to support a man made fallacy. Acts28:6 lends further proof that the Trinity is a fraud . Acts 28:6 & John 1:1 have the same grammatical construction. Indeed the CORRECT. rendition of John1:1 " In the beginning was the word and the word was the god , and a god was the word".
Jesus is NOT Almighty God. (Mark 1:1 ,John3:16. Matt16:13-17. John20:30,31. 1Cor11:3.) "The word was with the god " (that is ,Jesus worked with the Almighty God ,his father, to create the universe. John1:2,3. Hebrew 1:1-3). The son is the image of God ,just as man ,is the image of God. That is he resembles God ,as we humans do too (Ps82:1,6. 1 Cor8:5,6). .
Trinitarians are fraudsters.
This is the proof.
They fraudulently changed 1Tim3:16 to say "God appeared. in the flesh" but the Greek manuscript reads : " He appeared. in the flesh". Worst of all, they changed 1John 5:7. The Greek manuscript reads :" For there are three that testify" but these fraudsters changed it to "there are three that bear record in heaven: the father the son & the holy ghost: these three are one".
The truth is what U research, investigate & discover. The Biblical term "the son of God " is not the same as "God the son"( a term coined by trinitarians but is not found in the Bible). Shalom

Hairy whatever u call yourself, stay off my lane. SERIAL LIAR