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sonofthunder:




the amplified bible says..... Jesus answered, If I were to glorify Myself (magnify, praise, and honor Myself), I would have no real glory, for My glory would be nothing and worthless. [My honor must come to Me from My Father.] It is My Father Who glorifies Me [Who extols Me, magnifies, and praises Me], of Whom you say that He is your God.
What do you understand from it?

"The haughtiness of a man will humble him.But whoever is humble in spirit will obtain glory." Prov29:23.

Humble yourselves in the eyes of Jehovah & he will exalt you" James 4:10.

"Whoever exalts himself will be humbled,& whoever humbles himself will be exalted"
Matt 23:12.

Jesus humbled himself before His Father & his Father exalted him to a position of glory.
Likewise, God Almighty himself will exalt you when U are humble.


Jesus is not God Almighty. Jesus has a Father but God Almighty himself (Father of Jesus) has no Father.
Shalom.

ichuka:
Romans9:5.Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

New Living Translation
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

English Standard Version
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Berean Study Bible
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen.

Berean Literal Bible
whose are the patriarchs; and from whom is Christ according to the flesh, being God over all, blessed to the ages. Amen.

New American Standard Bible
whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

King James Bible
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Christian Standard Bible
The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever.

These Bible translations U put up above , were laced with Trinitarian bias but the New American Standard Bible (NASB) & the King James Bible (for both popular Trinitarian Bibles to give a rendition different from their peers, ) exposes the fraud in the manner that other Bibles rendered the verse.:


"Whose are the fathers ,& of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came,who is over all,God blessed for ever. Amen".

Christ is not God Almighty. The KJB& NASB are very correct.

sonofthunder:
if I worship the Son, have I worshipped the Father?

Who did the son instructed U to worship?

"For it is written: Worship (Jehovah/Yahweh) your God,and serve HIM alone" Matt4:10.
Shalom.

sonofthunder:
John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Pls Read John 8:53,56-58 in different bible translations & get the exact meaning.
V58 Before Abraham was born (or before Abraham's existence/ Before Abraham lived ) ,"ego himi on" ,( that is, " I exist" or I had existed" etc. )

sonofthunder:
But Jesus Christ is also I AM... isn't He?

Pls read John 8:12-59. 10:11-37. Read it &get the understanding of the context of Jesus statement & the false allegations ("making yourself equal God" ) that the Jews laid against him. It is dubious to isolate the phrase "I am".


In the context of John 8 ,we see how Jesus proved to the Jews that he had a prehuman existence prior to Abraham's birth, therefore Christ. is older than Abraham, "Before Abraham was born, I am (or I exist)"

The Greek word "ego himi " means 'I exist', which translates to "I am" in English



It has no connection with Exodus 3:14, which has been corrupted to read "I am that am" in some English Bible translations,rather than the original Hebrew phrase " Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh " which means "I will be what/ who I will be"

"Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" does not mean "I am that I am"

The old Testament (OT) was originally in Hebrew. The language has no present tense, unlike Greek.
"I am that I am" does not exist in Hebrew.

In the course of translating OT from Hebrew to Greek, the original Hebrew rendition & meaning was dubiously substituted in favour of the Greek.. (make for them say " I am" in Greek (john 8:58) na the same "I am that I am" wey dey them put for Hebrew.(Exodus 3:14).

Them do the wayo put there to claim say Jesus na Baba God.

It's similar to some one U gave permission to translate your best selling book from Yoruba to English. But U later found out he mistranslated a Yoruba proverb into English & gave it a wrong & different meaning which U never stated in your book.

enilove:
Why don't you people try and reason with what people are saying? There is no harm in reasoning together with others who are not of your faith , is there ?

How many times did your organisation predicted the end of the world and failed ?

Why did they announce when the world will end when the Bible says NO ONE KNOWS ? Don't they read the Bible?

Pls think and pray b4 it gets too late for you.

There is nothing to reason with some one pretending to be a JW offline ,among family & friends & acquaintances . But comes online to malign Jehovah's holy name & His people.
(In some cases these individuals were expelled from Jehovah's organization because of their pride, rebellious & unrepentant attitudes.).

Jehovah God does not compromise His Standard to please mortal man.
Either obey &be humble,grow in faith (not sacrifice/ rationalize) .Or go your way + consequences (Ask Adam, Korah, King Saul,Judas etc).

JWs are not perfect. We have moved on from those early days when our expectations were not fulfilled.
Even Jesus followers had a past but they learnt from their mistakes,moved on & waxed stronger. Likewise JWs.
Shalom.

jiggazz was "very rude to them".Tit for tat.
Yet, jiggazz does not sin. What a saint ! Oh blood of Zacharia !!!!!!!
Who is fooling who ?

Primesky:
Any body who claims to be a believer of Jesus, God and the bible, who doesn't accept or believe that Jesus Christ is God, is absolutely not a believer at all!.

You can say what you like, the bible remains true to itself. The only person I know who will split hairs on this matter in arguing against it, is Satan himself!. He has always tried to deny the deity of Jesus Christ right from when Jesus was here on earth.

Only God Himself can reveal this truth to people. Human arguments will amount to nothing. But I stand boldly and confident to say, Jesus is God. Nothing and nobody can change this raw truth!. If you want to the truth, then get baptised in the Holy Spirit, else no way!.

In heaven & earth, Jesus is God's son. He called his Father "the only true God" & identified himself as the only begotten son of God .

Almighty God has no Father but Christ has a Father. Christ has a God he prays to & worship. Every son is like his Father. Therefore, Christ is the image of God.(he go resemble him Father na ! )

No level of mumu & Forgery (of 1 John 5:7, 1 Tim3:16, Rev 1:11, (Exodus 3:14 "I will become" (is not "I am that i am", Col2:9 & Romans 1:20 KJV (deity/divine can never mean "Godhead" except LIE LIE na your middle name) will change the Truth.

These are incontrovertible FACTS U should frankly research on rather than throw shade & attack the message.
Shalom

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bloodofthelamb:
Read those scriptures in context. Romans 3:23 was making reference to the state of mankind before the righteousness of God was made manifest through Christ.

John the beloved was definitely not refering to the saints( the righteousness of God), if you read it in context. Also making reference to the state of mankind, prior the gift of righteousness of God revealed.

"John the beloved was definitely not referring to the saints" What a lie !
U claim that believers do not sin. Yet, Paul & Barnabas had a heated quarrel over Mark. Acts 15:36-40
Still, Jesus gave a revelation to Apostle John
to commend the fine deeds as well as expose the shortcomings of the 7 Churches (Revelation chapters 1 to 3).


"If we make the statement "we have not sinned,we are making him a liar & his word is not in us" 1 John 1:10.

"If we confess our sins he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" vs.9


"Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy & dearly loved,clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness & patience.
Bear with each other & forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another . Forgive as the Lord forgave you"
Colossians 3:12,13.


"Therefore, if some one knows how to do what is right & yet does not do it, it is a sin for him" James 4:16



Some time in 1999/2002, the Ministry of Perfection ( who claim the believers do not sin mantra), had a well publicized dispute where the two factions in the church leadership fought each other over control of money coming into their coffers. Yet,they were perfect.



Nobody is perfect, with out sin.
But a follower of Christ does not live a sinful life (live in sin. 1 Cor 9:24-27).

But we receive forgiveness of our sins on the basis of our faith in Jesus ransom sacrifice and our earnestly granting forgiveness to others who sin against us.
Shalom.

Primesky:
Your believe. Which one is speaking from both sides of the mouth. Do you understand what you're replying. Is God flesh and blood?. Oh Lord!, you can never understand the scriptures with canal mind, it won't work!. If your picture is you, is there any difference between you both?. More so, if such comparison is along spiritual lines. It's true we have baby Christians.

You guys don't understand this thing, yet you're the ones taking it overboard.

Why did the Jews seek to stone Jesus?. By claiming He is 'the Son of God', they said, He made himself equal with God, which for them is blasphemy, and for that, they sort to kill Him. Did you see that in your Bible?. Jesus is the son of God, means more than you naturally interpret it. You need the word of God revealed to you to understand this.


Since we have Christians of different level of maturity, and exposure and encounter with God, worse of, those who do not believe in the person of the Holy Spirit, I will purse on this subject. My worry is seeing the false religion of Jehovah witness coming here to spew absolute falsehood all the while pretending to be true. All the questions I asked them, they couldn't answer. They dodge those ones because it exposes their false religion. But they're fast with scripture twisting.

May God save His people from subtle lies cloaked in human reasoning.

SERIAL. LIAR, U dodged the questions labelled. "A to E" that 'Peacefullove' asked U on the thread for hellfire topic.
That topic is still trending on this (religion) section of NL.



Previously, U asked me "Who then is Jesus Christ?" My reply was that "I wonder if your brain go fit reason on the answer Matt16:13-17. "You are the Christ. The son of the son of the Living God", Christ said his Father revealed it to Simon Peter.



U threw shades at me rather than confirm what U read in Matt 16:13-17 ( Go read your response in No 11 of this thread).


U usually resort to shades & spurious claims rather than respond to questions put to U.
Stop lying, Oga Primesky.


"We are not stoning you for any of these", replied the Jews,"but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man,claim to be God"..... why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I AM GOD'S SON" John 10:33-36.

The Jews made the false allegation that Jesus "claim to be God".
Jesus replied them that he is God's son.

Don't get it twisted


"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...". John 3:16.
Oga, this Truth is so unpalatable to your ears, go remove am from your Bible na !

Angel na son of God , Jesus Christ na son of God, man na son of God. Until U beg Baba God to give U sense of understanding, your brain no go reset.

Trinity is a man made fallacy. A lie remains a lie, whether U call am Godhead, 3 in 1, 1 in 3 etc.
(Matt 28:19 no call am 3 in 1. Una go forge the lie put for 1 John 5:7kjv, make eee for sweet well well. What a dubious forgery!)
If U like keep throwing shade , U just dey waste your time.

Peacefullove:
Good, Just apply the above to yourself, you need it. This same ignorance is the reason why you could not attempt those questions tagged A to E in my previous post.

Here they are again


A.. Did God told Adam he will go to a mythical hellfire ?

B. The City of Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the same Everlasting fire that Satan and his demons will suffer ... Are those cities Burning forever or destroyed from existing ?

Be bold enough to attempt this

C. The question C arise after you quote a verse and IGNORANTLY assume its some mythical spirit in prison, Jesus preach to some spirits in Hell .

Now my question is:

Are this spirits dead humans in the days of Noah ?

Don't assume what is not there, Those people are washed away by water, They can't go to hell

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If you don't know the Spirit been talked about, its better you shut your mouth instead giving lies, if you insist the Spirit are people of Noah's day, Can someone who died in the Sea, go to hell ? ? ( C)



D. Do you agree with Devil that. Adam and Eve never truly died since they have an immortal soul ? ( Gen 3:4)


E. Based on the story of rich man and Lazarus , DP YOU NOW accept Human BODY goes to hell since the men has fingers, tongues and could thirst and taste PHYSICAL water ?

Be bold to attempt this too

F. The kind of Manipulation that occur in some peoples mind when they saw fire in a text leads to this question 5 , after reading Matthew 13:41-43 as proof of hell. , Is the furnace of fire as Real as soul gnashing teeth ? Last I checked, teeth is a skeleton .
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So those questions are still waiting for you




Go back and answer the questions, ... Till then, the above is pure False and unfounded accusation.



Tell me exactly how this proved an hellfire ?

1. Is the Wine to be drunk a real wine , how come the torment is now real. Since the wine is part of the process?

2. Am coming, are you saying hellfire is located in Heaven ( Jesus PRESENCE ) ?



False accuser , go back and answer the questions your ignorance as generated

Primesky ,Oga answer these questions with your Bible rather than throw shade. These thought provoking questions are crying out for answers. We no be small children wey go swallow una shades & insults hook ,line & sinker. Shalom.

Primesky:
One thing is very clear and has been established. And that's that you need to be born again first, receive Christ,and then receive His Holy Spirit, otherwise as I see it, you will keep twisting everything around with you canal human mind. When one answers your question, you quickly twist and run away from that, and bring in another false hood.

Thank God, many people in that cult have escaped from the satanic doctrine. And according to them, it is difficult for you to accept wrong. Argument won't solve your problem, because you claim to know the bible and Jesus, but you're preaching a false gospel.

If you didn't know, that would have been different, but because you claim to know, only God by His infinite grace can save you.

I'm increasingly shocked by the kind of false teachings you guys propagate as revealed by your former members. If you like call them whatever, they have seen the truth, and they are not ashamed of accepting it.

It feels nauseating seeing you twist God's word. You twist, misquote, misinterpret and misapply the Word of God. May the Lord show you the way.

Why U dey fall the hand of everyone following this thread? Primesky , answer the questions labelled "A to E", wey Peacefullove dey ask U & U go make Devil shame.

Since U wan dodge am, your claims on this thread belongs to the refuse dump. Shalom.

bloodofthelamb:
All have sinned(past tense). This was before the cross of Christ. "Through Adam all sinned, while through Christ Jesus all who believe is made righteous."

This is the era of the second Adam( Jesus Christ). Wake up to reality and stop living with the fallen Adamic mentality.

My Questions for U:
Q1) Was Romans 3:23 & 1John1:9,10 written before Jesus ransom sacrifice ?
Q2) Was Apostles Paul & John living in "the era of the second Adam (Jesus Christ)" when they wrote the inspired books of Romans & 1 John respectively?

Hairyrapunzel:
Your uninspired, fallible 8 old men who err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction are moses in your head while you their followers are the Israelites. Like I said its all in your head.

The way paradise earth and your jehovah coming to slaughter all non jws for not following 8 elderly men in new York bible interpretation is in your head.

Shut up your blasphemous mouth corrupted by your deluded , psychotic brain !


Was Moses infallible? Was each Israelite thinking for himself? Were they guided by Moses instructions & directions ?

Jesus led his disciples & urged them to copy his example. Yet some of them left him because they believed that he preached cannibalism.

Your mumu brain no see am & tell U say them dey cult?

IBERIBEISM masquerading as "thinking for myself"

bloodofthelamb:
1 John2:1( ESV)_ My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But "if" anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father- Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

Gal 5:16_ Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. N:B-The "lust of the flesh" here is sin.

This scriptures all testify that it is possible for those who are in fellowship with God not to sin. I put up this thread because someone by the name johnw47 has been charging me with lies.

Let's examine 1 John2:1 closely. John the beloved was writing to the saint asking them not to sin, because it was possible not to. 1b- But if anyone do sin we have an advocate. 1John2:1b is a plan B, a fall back of plan A.

In grammatical terms the word "if" is used when there is uncertainty about whether the event will happen at all. But if anyone do sin is under probability. It might happen or might not. The original will of God is we sin not in Christ through his amazing grace.

It is possible not to sin in this life.

"FOR ALL HAVE SINNED & fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.


"For there is no man righteous in the earth that keeps doing good & does not sin" Eccl7:20.


"if we confess our sins ,he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins & to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we make the statement "WE HAVE NOT SINNED,WE ARE MAKING HIM A LIAR & HIS WORD IS NOT IN US" 1John 1:9,10.

Segunty:
You are still a baby Christian.. Jesus did dat because dat was d assignment dat brought him here on here. he came as a son of God . So he took away our sin That is Why Jesus ask his disciple in Mark 8vs 27 dat who do people say who I am... because he knew people did not c his real picture ...you can also check John 14vs8 when Philip ask Jesus to show them the father.. hope you remember his answer

"He said to them: You, though, who do you say I am? In answer Simon Peter said: You are the Christ ,the Son of the Living God". In response Jesus said to him:Happy you are, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh & blood did not reveal it to you but my Father who is in heavens did". Matt 16:13-17.

The revelation came from heaven. He is God's son.
Between U (who have never been to heaven)& Christ who came from heaven, who is more credible? Or was Jesus lying to Simon Peter?


. When ever & wherever your father sent U to represent him, therefore, U are standing in for your father,at that particular moment.
Who ever saw U (his representative),has seen your father too.
No be rocket science.

Bholutife18:
I now believe that your level of deciphering words is very low. Verse 10. I am IN the father and the father is IN me is different from 'I am the father and the father is me'.


Have you read verse 13?

No mind them. Their brain go reset to mumu mode & they must twist & distort God's word in order to sweeten the Trinity fallacy .

Jozzy4:
Lol , for where ?

Don't be surprised 99% of those disgruntled elents here still attend meetings, they have no where to go My Brother . they are stagnant waters . not progressing .


Many of them will grab straws when it comes to real bible discussion.

So spot on,my Brother.
These ravenous wolves in sheepskin' are just deceiving themselves. Cowards indeed. Can any one fool Jehovah who sees the heart ?

mikeolu1:
You are in a cult.
People in cults dont see that they are.
Brainwashing is the tool that keeps you there.
Research & research is the tool that will liberate you.
No one can research for you

Shut up your blasphemous mouth ! According to your spurious claim against JW , the nation of Israel ONLY took directions & instructions from Moses. Therefore, the Israelites were in a "cult" & "brainwashing is the tool " that kept them under the leadership of Moses & other leaders (Joshua, Ezra etc) who took over after his demise..
U dey see your mumu ?


The ones who think for themselves & "proceeded to rise up against Moses", where did they end up ? Number 16:1-50. 1 Cor 10:10.


Did anybody force U to be a JW?
Pls carry your "luggage" & take your delusion elsewhere.
To be very frank with U , U will never be at peace with your self & your Creator ( if U still believe HE exists) until U purge the bitterness out of your system. (May Jah help U).

There must be a place that accommodates these deluded bigots infested with incurable anti-JW virus. U fit be their Daddy GO... Hahahahahahaaaa.

search4truth:
I had to create a new moniker for this.

I think so many people are waking up in the organization. I myself just woke up too. Those defending the JWs and the organization with their soul, i was like that also. I think you should keep in your mind psalms 146:3. We shouldnt put our trust in princes nor any man who cant bring salvation. The organization has a lot of doctrines that have been changed consitently which they refer to as new light. If the GB claims to be inspired by the holyspirit then their doctrines shouldnt change because the bible says Gods word does not change. The one that got me was the watchtowers membership with the united nations. The watchtower definitely had no excuse for that because theyve consistently referred to the UN as babylon the great. Besides that, the elders have a secret book(Sheperd the flock of God book). According to the book, elders can coverup their own sins and still be elders in the congregation, the two witness rule in child rape cases and more.

The governing body takes bible passages out of context for their own selfish reasons.

Besides, a governing body member actually lied inder oath at the ARC(Australian royal commision) concerning the child rape cases.

Also the disfellowshipping rule is non-biblical and very inhumane. Which shows that the Jws love is conditional. They would all shun you immediately you dissasociate or when youre disfellowshipped.
This has broken so many families and even led some to commiting suicide.

Not only is the watchtower associated with the UN but also with the OSCE which is affliated with the UN.


That is why the governing body keeps telling the members that they should not lookup any other site apart from jw.org

They have also discouraged young ones from getting higher educations because they know an educated person would think critically(not all though) even though.
So to my fellow brothers thinking this is the perfect organization, you still have more to know about this hideous organization.

I cant even ask the elders this questions or prove anything to them as it might cause me to get shunned by my family. The GB requires unquestionable obedience from all its members less you face the consequences.

Dont forget how many people the no blood rule has killed. But now the governing body says receiving some blood components gotten from blood are now okay. Imagine how families that have lost a loved one to the no blood rule would feel. This is the same organization that did not allow vaccines and organ transplant in the past also leading to the death of many.

Less i forget was also the politics the GB played in the Mexican-malawi scandal leading to thousands of death of witnesses in Malawi.

For those willing to research, i would say you look up the organizations history also which would show you that this organization is based on a pagan origin. Because CT Russell was a freemason and he used freemason symbols on early watchtowers.
Jws say birthdays are bad because they are based on pagan worship, but why do they use wedding rings? Dont they know wedding rings originated from paganism. Same with so many occasions they do.
But yet the hypocrisy in this organization is so alarming.
Im tired of writing.

I couldnt butress on all this points. MAKE RESEARCH ON THESE POINTS because they are true.
I actually wished they werent true first time i made my research with my heart beat rapidly beating. Turns out they were true because non refutable evidences were given.

Note- Im presently PIMO(Physically in mentally out) just for the family.


Jwfacts.com
http://beroeans.net

What U put up here is not about "waking up" ,(whatever that means), but your hatred & malicious. bitterness for Jehovah's people is your motivation for this half truths & lies U pasted here.

Evil seeds of Korah. "Physically in mentally out just for the family." That's the trait of a coward. (Na who U think say U wan deceive?) In your delusion, Moses was leading a cult because the Isrealites couldnt think for themselves. Hence, Korah & others, "They rose up against Moses" Numbers 16:1-50.


In your evil heart, Jesus too lead a cult because he taught his followers to copy his example & "eat the flesh of the son of man & drink his blood.... because of this many of his disciples went off" John 6:41-71.
Keep deceiving yourselves.


Because Jesus ate with sinners, he gave Judas Iscariot a warm hug & patted him on the back for a job well done.

In the past & to this day,Jehovah's organization has no place for rebels, slanderers & crooked people who put up pretences.


Jehovah saved only Noah & his family during the great deluge.
Jehovah God is not fascinated by large numbers.

Evil seeds of Korah, oya scram & get lost !!

spongeisback:
I have been seeing your posts about this issue and I said I would research about it and I did. Wow wow wow!!!!!!!!!!!! Am really sorry for all the children that had to go through that and the worst is nobody even their parents didn't believe them because two witnesses didn't see what happened.


The fact that they have to seat before three old perverts and recount what happened really tore my heart and after that they're are still not believed.

I wish I didn't read all that but it's good at least I know better and I will make sure I spread it. If kids in the west are going through this think about the children in Africa! OH!!!!!!!!

U have only heard one side of the story & U are here casting aspersions on a serious & sensitive issue that U don't have all the facts. Is that your idea of objectivity? Half baked knowledge is worse than ignorance.


No rebel anywhere will ever give U an objective, unbiased report on any matter they have vested interests. Hairyrapunzel & mikeolu1 are ex-JW, rebels indeed.

OP, u go fit come NL dey praise the company wey sack U?

The mass media thrives on sensationalism to sell their papers even if their headlines does not reflect all the exact facts about the story.


Besides , Lawyers will say anything in Court (even lie under oath or twist the matter) as long as that will advance their clients' interest. It's still no solid proof that the alleged event occurred in the manner they want U to believe.
Only Jehovah is the true judge.

"The Jehovah's Witnesses Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection" is a publication available. & accessible to U. That's where U will see how these matters are dealt with in compliance with the Laws of the land & Bible principles. pls visit jw.org ,for more info.


No religious body has the wealth of resources to protect children from molestation like JWs have in stock.

If U know anyone else who have done better, pls feel free to share it for the benefits of everyone viewing this thread.
Shalom

mikeolu1:
The authority in Australia and in other places with many JW molestation cases says "report to police" period.

If murder occur in a kingdomHall, will they allow elders to handle the matter or "leave it in jehovahs hand"?

Child molestation is as horrible a crime as murder, why because many of the victims eventually commits suicide.

U done get all the copy & paste evidence, U no know the road to police station & go report them? Na wetin U dey wait for? U dey here dey rant up & down with your incurable anti JW virus

mikeolu1:
25,000 is the number of ex JW on Reddit.
Definitely the GB is taking note. Many shunned by their friends and parents now have a virtual myriads of friends

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/8z839m/it_took_40_days_and_40_nights_but_we_just_hit/?st=JKUI6KTH&sh=b000ef04

U no get work na ! Na to dey keep fictitious register. Oshey gaan. Lols.

JWs isn't bothered about unrepentant wrongdoers & others who no long want to be identified among Jehovah's people.
It's their life, their choice.
JWs no be pastorpreneurs wey dey justle for the largest membership & auditorium for their business.

oyetpel:
Synopsis: A faithful Jehovah's Witness is forced to shun her own sister because of a religious transgression. As the separation draws out, she starts to question the meaning of God's love.

I ain't a JW, but this movie was beautifully made by the British

Very educative and interesting.

You can get it on fžmovies dot net, it's 219mb.

Outside the realm of fiction & movies, no JW is "forced to shun his sister" or any family member ,for that matter.
For example, If your sister is a criminal, caught & convicted by a Court of Law, would U campaign for her to be set free from punishment?

Jesus said. "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.... I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother..... Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me" Matt 10:32-39.

" Now I am writing you that U must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy ,an idolater.... with such a man do not even eat.... Expel the wicked man from among you"
1 Cor 5:9-13.


OP, It is Biblical practice to excommunicate unrepentant wrongdoers from the fold.
U either obey Jesus or reject it , the choice is yours.

Shalom.

studentofTruth:
Same place you read about Baptism, the three persons in Trinity are clearly shown.

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." -1 John 5:7


Therefore, the Father, the Son(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are one.....Trinity.

"The Johannine Comma is an interpolated phrase in the first epistle of John 5:7-8....
the passage first appeared as an addition to the Vulgate, the Latin translation of the Bible and entered the Greek manuscript tradition in the 15th century. It does not appear in the oldest Latin manuscripts..."
(SOURCE: Johannine Comma Wikipedia)

In other words (.." in heaven the father the son and the holy spirit: these three are one" ) does not exist even in the oldest Greek manuscripts of the Holy Bible.

A footnote in the new king James Bible ( KJV was first published in the 16th century. But the new king James Bible online) says those interpolated phrase is not in the oldest manuscripts.

The bitter truth is that the FORGERY & dubious addition to the holy scriptures was done to promote a lie.- Trinity..


(For further reading, Google " An Historical Account of two notable corruption of the scriptures," Wikipedia)

Rom 1:20 & Col 2:9, una remove "divine /deity " & go smuggle "Godhead" put there to make una lie lie sweet pass honey.

studentofTruth:
My friend take time to read my Saudi-Arabia King and Crowned Prince analogy. There's nothing too difficult to understand there. So I don't think your case is that of ignorance rather it's out of jealousy just like the Pharisees. It can be likened to a Saudi's citizens being jealous of the Crowned Prince and saying that the Crowned Prince is nothing more than a Saudi citizen appointed to a high post. But within you, you know it's a big lie. He's the Crowned Prince based on His DNA(scientifically speaking). He has the DNA of His Father the King. His Father's blood flows in His veins.

Likewise Jesus. Jesus is God based on who He be. Based on His DNA. He is the only begotten SON of His Father. He has the DNA of God. To say that Jesus is a man appointed to a high position is pure jealousy.

Jesus is God based on His "DNA"(ie by His nature and essence). There are ONLY THREE PERSONS that bear this "DNA"
....The Father
.....The Son
.....The Holy Spirit.
These three persons are UNITED. The three persons are united in their will, interest and purpose as one. The homage you pay to one is paid to all 3. They're so united that in one, you see the other. Jesus said ....I and the Father are one, Jn10:30; if you see me you have seen the Father, Jn14:7-9; the Father is in me and I in the Father, Jn14:10-11. (Are you calling Jesus a liar? You must be a Pharisee)

Jesus is one with His Father, but is Jesus the same person as his Father? ...No. There's the person of the Father, the person of Jesus and the person of the Holy Spirit. These 3 persons bear the "DNA"(nature and essence) of God. These 3 identifiable Divine persons yet UNITED as one is called The Holy Trinity.

It's clear enough for you to understand unless you're one more Pharisee jealous of Jesus.

peace.

U said the Saudi Crowned Prince has "the DNA of his father the king. Likewise Jesus. Jesus is God based on his DNA. He is the only begotten son of his father."

My Question for U: I agree U have the DNA of your father, just as Jesus has his father's DNA, but OP, na U be your father ?
Are U one with your father? How do U share oneness with your father ?Or in what sense are U one with your father ? Pls reply.


U said "Jesus is one with his father. Is Jesus the same person as his father? No. "

Nowhere in the Bible did Christ ever gave his God Almighty a command or orders to obey.

Yet, U dey claim that Jesus is the same God Almighty.

Is your statement contradictory ? Yes or no? pls reply.

Shalom

studentofTruth:
My friend take time to read my Saudi-Arabia King and Crowned Prince analogy. There's nothing too difficult to understand there. So I don't think your case is that of ignorance rather it's out of jealousy just like the Pharisees. It can be likened to a Saudi's citizens being jealous of the Crowned Prince and saying that the Crowned Prince is nothing more than a Saudi citizen appointed to a high post. But within you, you know it's a big lie. He's the Crowned Prince based on His DNA(scientifically speaking). He has the DNA of His Father the King. His Father's blood flows in His veins.

Likewise Jesus. Jesus is God based on who He be. Based on His DNA. He is the only begotten SON of His Father. He has the DNA of God. To say that Jesus is a man appointed to a high position is pure jealousy.

Jesus is God based on His "DNA"(ie by His nature and essence). There are ONLY THREE PERSONS that bear this "DNA"
....The Father
.....The Son
.....The Holy Spirit.
These three persons are UNITED. The three persons are united in their will, interest and purpose as one. The homage you pay to one is paid to all 3. They're so united that in one, you see the other. Jesus said ....I and the Father are one, Jn10:30; if you see me you have seen the Father, Jn14:7-9; the Father is in me and I in the Father, Jn14:10-11. (Are you calling Jesus a liar? You must be a Pharisee)

Jesus is one with His Father, but is Jesus the same person as his Father? ...No. There's the person of the Father, the person of Jesus and the person of the Holy Spirit. These 3 persons bear the "DNA"(nature and essence) of God. These 3 identifiable Divine persons yet UNITED as one is called The Holy Trinity.

It's clear enough for you to understand unless you're one more Pharisee jealous of Jesus.

peace.

U said the Saudi Crowned Prince has "the DNA of his father the king. Likewise Jesus. Jesus is God based on his DNA. He is the only begotten son of his father."

My Question for U: I agree U have the DNA of your father, just as Jesus has his father's DNA, but OP, na U be your father ? Pls reply.

studentofTruth:
Depends on what you understand by what Paul said there. What's the issue there? That's Jesus is the Son of God united with His Father or what exactly?

Hear Paul again here
Phil2:6
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

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What U read in 1 Cor 11:3 &Ephesians 1:3, is it rocket science?

Why twist Phil 2:6 out of context ?
V5 " Your attitude should be the same as Jesus Christ
v6 Who although existing in the form of God , did not consider equality with God some thing to be grasped"

Going by Phil 2:5 & your insinuations on verse 6, U & I have the same attitude of Christ, therefore, U & I ,are we God Almighty too ? (Abi, U go deny am...)

Pls take note of the expression. ," in the form of God , (not God himself) what U quoted above in Phil 2:6, is different from the Greek interlinear text rendition. Jesus is not Almighty God , contrary to what U insinuated.


"For who has known the mind of the Lord (Jehovah/ Yahweh) that we may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ" 1 Cor 2:6. ( quoted from Isaiah 40:13).


Christ himself does not have the mind of God his Father, he is not God Almighty.

studentofTruth:
Forged by you abi?.
Because it chatters your lies, you call it forgery. Continue cherry-picking whatever helps your unbelief until the last day. Why not complete that verse you quoted up there? Are you afraid of the Truth? Only the Truth will set you free.
But even with the selected quote you put up, what exactly is your headache there? ....His Son? By being His son He's automatically God by his nature and essense. Heir of all things? Just like the Crowned Prince, His Father's kingdom and all therein belongs to Him.

Embrace the Truth and set yourself free man.
Peace.

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The authentic rendition of 1John 5:7 is "There are three that testify"
verse 8 " The spirit ,the water & the blood; the three are in agreement".

Why U dey throw shade & deny the authentic word of God in 1 John 5:7 ?

Stop deceiving yourself, The Greek interlinear of the holy scriptures ( word for word transliteration into English) is available online & easily accessible to cure your ignorance.



Do U mean the forgery/ distortion of Hebrew 1:8? Have U ever read Psalm 45 in it's entirety?

Who made Jesus the "Crowned Prince " ? Who appointed him heir of all things?

studentoftruth?, if U were appointed into an exalted position ,in any sphere, would U be greater or equal with the one who appointed U?
Your expression. "share the same nature & essence" na slogan wey dey deceive all of una.

If he is God Almighty as U people falsely claim, how come your God Almighty has a Father ?

studentofTruth:
Yes. Because He and His Father are United so much that the Father lives in him. He went ahead to say that He speaks not by himself but the Father in Him that speaks through him. Thats the level of their unity.

He can of himself do nothing.... That's the truth. The human Christ could only function because of the Father in him. Remember He left His place in Heaven to become Human....in the true sense of the word(felt hunger, thirsty, ate, drank and even shit like every normal human). That human person could of himself do nothing without the Father acting in Him. While on earth Jesus was perfectly human. But was JESUS God before coming on earth as human....YES. After His work of redemption was completed, did go back to His place in Heaven as God...YES. Make no mistake about it.
The Apostles' creed reads...."True God and True Man"
In Heaven He's God. He came on earth as a perfect human but though a human on earth, he was still united with His Father.

Would you tell me it's impossible for God?

Gospel of John is there for you to read and digest.
Peace

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"NOW I want you to realise that the head of every man is Christ ,& the head of the woman is man & the head of Christ is God". 1 Cor 11:3.



"Blessed be the God & the Father of our lord Jesus Christ.....". Ephesians 1:3.


Note that Christ was already in heaven when Apostle Paul by divine inspiration made these disclosure.

studentofTruth:
Same place you read about Baptism, the three persons in Trinity are clearly shown.

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." -1 John 5:7
Gospel of John chapter 1......the Word = Jesus.

Therefore, the Father, the Son(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are one.....Trinity.

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1 John 5:7 (KJV) u quoted above was forged to spice up the fallacy called Trinity. It's a spurious text. inserted into the holy scriptures. Tom , Dick & Harry no be trinity likewise, God ,Jesus & holy spirit.

The authentic 1 John 5:7 rendition is :
"There are three that testify."


"He is called by the name the word of God" ( Rev19:13) because " In the past God spoke to us through the prophets many times but in these last days he has spoken to us THROUGH His son whom he appointed heir of all things"
Hebrew 1:1,2.

Jesus Christ is God's spokesman. In other words, he is God's PRO. Christ is not God Almighty himself.
Shalom.