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studentofTruth:
Same place you read about Baptism, the three persons in Trinity are clearly shown.

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." -1 John 5:7
Gospel of John chapter 1......the Word = Jesus.

Therefore, the Father, the Son(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are one.....Trinity.

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1 John 5:7 (KJV) u quoted above was forged to spice up the fallacy called Trinity. It's a spurious text. inserted into the holy scriptures. Tom , Dick & Harry no be trinity likewise, God ,Jesus & holy spirit.

"He is called by the name the word of God" Rev19:13 because " In the past God spoke to us through the prophets many times but in these last days he has spoken to us THROUGH His son whom he appointed heir of all things"
Hebrew 1:1,2.

Jesus Christ is God's spokesman. In other words, he is God's PRO. Christ is not God Almighty himself.

Hairyrapunzel:
When you cannot handle the fact that your practices, beliefs and doctrines are not even in the Bible you start shouting serial liar and correct man.
Who brought Adam and Steve inside this discussion now?
Wedding anniversary: the anniversary of the date a wedding took place. Wedding anniversary is not synonymous with wedding ceremony.

SERIAL LIAR extraordinaire . wey anti-JW virus done spoil finish, sotaay on top your lie lie, U still can't think straight.

For your mind , U go fit do wedding anniversary with out a wedding. IBERIBEISM. Hahahahahahahaaa

Hairyrapunzel:
And you want to defend celebrating your own pagan celebration that is wedding anniversary let me celebrate my own that is Christmas Dec 25th in peace. To avoid bickering and misunderstanding We are both guilty of celebrating celebrations with pagan origins.

SERIAL LIAR & CORRECT WAYO MAN, Wedding originated from God who wedded Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve.

Weddings never originated. from paganism.

"And Jehovah proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman.... that is why a man will leave his father & mother & he must stick to his wife & they must become one flesh" Gen 2:18-24.
Wedding anniversary is proper for a Christian to rejoice with the wife of his youth.

rickyrex:
I firmly believe your parents did naming ceremony for you... You should have asked them why the waste of money on that

rickyrex:
I firmly believe your parents did naming ceremony for you... You should have asked them why the waste of money on that

[quote author=rickyrex post=52485190]How many times did your parents do naming ceremony for you..?

Mark U , U called it "naming ceremony". Don't get it twisted.
Annual celebration of. birthdays is a pagan custom & practice.

OneJ:
Can't U see how crooked your response ? U dey talk say "define paganism" but U already know the definition of "pagan custom".
Besides, U already know "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"
(Yet,Hairyranpuzel no know the definition of "paganism". U BE SERIAL LIAR .)

U crookedly ignore " the day of death is better than the day of birth" ,Eccl7:1. , U come dey twist "sorrow is better than laughter" in verse 2.

Eccl 7:2 " it is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man, the living should take this to heart.
verse3) Sorrow is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart.
verse 4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure"..


The scripture ,Eccl7:2-4, U are twisting advised U to do sober reflection at a place of mourning than focus on a life of indulgence & pleasures

U BE CORRECT WAYO MAN, very dishonest

After your lies have been exposed, your brain come remember say U be Nigerian, and as such U no dey follow Jewish custom wey dem no dey celebrate birthdays.. Issoryt. !
Hahahahahahaaaa. !

SERIAL LIAR, Jesus established Christianity not Judaism. Don't get it twisted.
Christ followers, & the first century Christians stuck with their Master's footsteps to shun annual birthday celebrations . That's the proper way for believers of Christ.

Hairyrapunzel:
Your brain should tell you if you actually think for yourself that since and Egyptian and a roman king celebrated their birthdays, had calendars and it was their custom.
Celebrating birthday was probably not a Jewish custom. This is what my brain says to me.
Jehovah, Jesus or their followers never frowned on birthday celebrations as it isn't written in the Bible neither does it record any Jew celebrating birthday. Bible was silent on the matter.
Bible is enough for me as I don't need any worldly website to tell me what I should do or not do. I am Nigerian and I ain't Jewish. My beliefs are not based on non biblical doctrines made by paranoid people who thought and still think their jehovah is coming to slaughter people for not joining their publishing company called watctower

For God so loved the world that HE gave his only begotten son in order that whosoever believe in him will not be DESTROYED, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.
Correct wayo man, Jesus says he would DESTROY unbelievers. Go & quarrel with him. Or make U write your own Bible na !

U wan dey claim say followers of Christ no dey do birthday because na Jewish custom, Kai !!!!!!
In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek. Christianity is not Judaism. Gal3:28.
Your IBERIBEISM in full mode.
Hahahahahahaaaaa !!!

Hairyrapunzel:
Another assumption based on hearsay from an unverified unnamed worldly secular source. Wow so much for one religion that calls itself the only one true religion using only unnamed unverified secular worldly source to create it's man made doctrines.

Show us a Bible verse where God says we shouldn't celebrate birthdays? you are busy talking past point. E no dey.

At least pharoah Pardoned the life of the cupbearer who later told him about Joseph. If it's the birthday that killed the baker then the birthday also saved the cupbearer.

Hero's killed john the Baptist on his birthday and Jesus didn't condemn the birthday neither did he condemn herod. Still no passage in the Bible of Jesus or jehovah condemning birthday or the men who killed on their birthdays.

It's only watchtower that condemns birthday celebrations forgetting to even condemn the people who committed crimes on their birthdays and doesn't even recognize the person who spared a life on his birthday. They are ashamed to say a good act was done on pharaohs birthday. They hide the fact because they want to make birthday celebrations look evil.

YOU CALL ME A SERIAL LIAR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE FACT THAT BIBLE SAID PHARAOH PARDONED THE CUPBEARER ON HIS BIRTHDAY. AND JESUS OR JEHOVAH NEITHER CONDEMNED BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION OR THE PEOPLE THAT EVEN COMMITTED MURDER ON THEIR BIRTHDAYS.

I KNOW HOW IT FEELS SEEING THAT THE ONLY REFERENCE YOU HAVE FOR NOT CELEBRATING BIRTHDAYS IS FROM AN UNNAMED UNVERIFIED SECULAR WORLDLY SOURCE AUTHOURED BY PEOPLE YOU CONSIDER SATAN WORSHIPPERS. HOW PATHETIC

A serial liar who speaks with both sides of his mouth, your own family no get history? Let alone mankind in general?
Until U bring incontrovertible evidence to this thread that Encyclopedia Britannica forged the history of Christmas, your own LIE go make Satan give U PhD... Hahahahahahaaaa !!


Does the pagan custom of birthday celebration have any connection with servants of God or followers of Christ? that's the issue at stake.
Because U be correct wayo man, U wan twist the matter upside down.

Nobody here ask U whether pharaoh pardon him cup bearer or give donation to motherless baby orphanage.
Don't get it twisted, wayo man.
Wayo man, what fellowship does the temple of God have with idolatry & paganism? 2Cor 6:14-18.

Hairyrapunzel:
Define paganism
Christmas is not a pagan custom. My answer is No.

".. During the first two centuries of Christianity, there was strong opposition to recognizing birthdays of martyrs or, for that matter, of Jesus.
Numerous Church Fathers offered sarcastic comments about the pagan custom of celebrating birthdays..... the early Church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically from pagan beliefs & practices..."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas .

The Encyclopedia Britannica agreed with the holy scriptures

"Gen 40:20 "Now the third day was Pharaoh's birthday & he gave a feast for all his officials."

Mark 6:21 "Finally the opportune time came. On his birthday,He rod gave a banquet for his high. officials. & military commanders & all the leading men of Galilee"

Pharaoh & King Herod were pagans, not followers of Christ.
Infact, Hairyrapunzel knows "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"

SERIAL LIAR speaking with both sides of his mouth.

Christmas/ birthday celebrations are strictly pagan customs & beliefs with NO CONNECTION to Christianity or any follower of Christ.

When we were kids, Our parents often do not say "don't do this or don't do that"..... their eyes convey a stern look of disapproval when we dey misbehave back then. In like manner, God's word expressed disapproval on servants of God/ followers of Christ having fellowship with pagan practices,beliefs & customs which includes annual celebration of birthdays


"What harmony is there between Christ & Belial? What agreement is there between the temple of God & idols?" 2 Cor 6:14-18,. 7:1.



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"Does Jehovah take as much pleasure in burnt offerings & sacrifices as in obeying the voice of Jehovah?"
Rebelliousness & disobedience is the same as the sin of paganism/idolatry.. 1 Sam 15:22-24.


Anything connected to idols &pagans, God's word forbids it from followers of Christ, ( by principle & in verbal pronouncement.)

Hairyrapunzel:
Define paganism. I am not sure you know what paganism is. I don't think you know what God likes.
It's like you people don't think before answering questions. Define paganism

Can't U see how crooked your response ? U dey talk say "define paganism" but U already know the definition of "pagan custom".
Besides, U already know "one pagan king that celebrated his birthday"
(Yet,Hairyranpuzel no know the definition of "paganism". U BE SERIAL LIAR .)

U crookedly ignore " the day of death is better than the day of birth" ,Eccl7:1. , U come dey twist "sorrow is better than laughter" in verse 2.

Eccl 7:2 " it is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man, the living should take this to heart.
verse3) Sorrow is better than laughter, because a sad face is good for the heart.
verse 4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure"..


The scripture ,Eccl7:2-4, U are twisting advised U to do sober reflection at a place of mourning than focus on a life of indulgence & pleasures

U BE CORRECT WAYO MAN, very dishonest

Hairy Rapunzel wey dey claim sey smoking of marijuana is medicinal & not condemnable by the holy scriptures, come to this thread & fellowship with your brethren.... Your grand appearance is long over due.

Hairyrapunzel:
Define paganism Christmas is not a pagan custom. My answer is No.

Hairyrapunzel, is paganism acceptable to your God? Yes or no,pls reply.

Hairyrapunzel:
Till you show me where the bible said celebrating birthday is bad and we should desist from the act till then your religion is a false one.
Don't come and quote unnamed unverified secular worldly source for me o. Quote the bible verse.

If it was possible you would have said Bible never said pharaoh pardoned the cupbearer on his birthday because your secular worldly source didn't state it.
You that you Cherry pick pagan customs to practice nko? I no fit laugh.

Friendship with the world yet you use internet created by worldly people. Christian that can't even use Bible to defend his doctrines.
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Hahahahahahaaaaaa. !!!!!

U be like the man wey go market & request for half dozen loaves of bread. He saw only 6 loaves of bread available, yet he rejects it & insisted that either he gets the half dozen or nothing...

Hairyrapunzel, is paganism acceptable to your God ? yes or no, pls reply

Is Christmas a pagan custom ?Yes or no, pls reply.

Hairyrapunzel:
Is it by force to accept it is pagan?
You use Unverified Secular worldly sources to create your doctrines. Lol
Where did the bible say birthdays were not associated with Christians? You can't even bring out any bible verse. You even have to use unnamed unverified secular worldly source to back up your doctrine. Buhaha





God never said he doesn't approve of birthday celebrations watchtower organization did. Except you are trying to say watchtower is now God. Buhaha
You even had to assume it was birthdays and cunningly put it in bracket to make it look like it was what Paul was talking about. Lol.
You guys like to speculate sha. So Rutherford in 1926 assumed paul was talking about birthdays and someone later inserted birthday in bracket in your Bible? I don't get.
Is it that you are forcing birthday to be in the verse when it wasn't there? Well I know you are assuming as usual.



You can as well say internet is foolishness to God and stop using internet.

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You even have to assume adulterous means those who cloak pagan customs with Christianity. Lol. You even had to assume and add to the verse. It's alright.



That the enemy goes to the particular stream doesn't make the stream bad. It's the enemies that are bad and not the stream. Watchtower stupid and fallacious analogies. He did not break any family code.
What if the father later directs him to go to that stream because that's the only available stream? Be using kindergarten knowledge. No wonder those old men in new York say they should do your thinking for you. You have zero thinking skills.
What if the enemy had stopped using the well?
Black and white thinking at it's peak




You say pharaoh wasn't a servant of God yet he appointed a servant of God into a very good position courtesy his the cupbearer he saved on his birthday.


The best thing that ever happened to Christianity. At least the pagans became Christians.


You that has bee using unnamed unverified secular worldly sources whose writers are companions of darkness to make your doctrines nko? Abeg shift. Remove the log in your eye before you remove the spec


Cherry picking the pagan practices you will do. It's like your jehovah says you can't do this pagan practice but you can do the other pagan practices. I even forgot that its your leaders DAT do the cherry picking and lie on God's head

Until U come to this thread & prove beyond doubt that pre -christian men of God or first century believers of Christ celebrated their birthdays annually, everything U put up here na wash,only fit for the refuse dump.

SERIAL LIAR, see the level wey your IBERIBEISM & dishonesty done reach. Sotaay U come NL dey deny solid historical fact wey every well read educated people already knows, that Christmas/ birthday celebration has nothing to do with Christ.


Pagan customs has become your "christianity".

"You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God" James 4:4.

keep deluding yourself.

rottennaija:
You brought smoking into the issues, to support your argument. You see the Irony? You are faced with the fact the Bible says nothing against birthday celebration, Jesus never condemned it, the apostle never condemned it and not even Jehovah gave commands to his people against it.

So in order to get around the problem, you brought an idea about about the Bible not being a book for dos and don't. Using smoking as an example, you introduce the idea of it polluting the body, using 2 co 7:1 as support. Of course, you know the Bible says nothing of smoking, but in order to introduce your today's ban on smoking, since the Bible says nothing on it, you fall back to applications of Bible principles, shunning what defiles the flesh and spirit.

But that is where you run into a problem, smoking defiles the body, true. But does it defile the spirit? Smoking kills, true. But are they other things we eat and enjoy that doesn't kill more than smoking? Does this things not defile the body?

The irony of the whole things, when you want to make arbitrary rules against smoking, in this case, discussing shunning what defiles body, you don't cherry pick which to apply to and which to ignore.

I purposefully brought sugar, sugary food, drinks, bears, junk food into the issue. For all intent and purposes, these things, while we enjoy them defile our body. While true that our society does not frown on them, but these things defile our bodies. Studies shows that they kill and make us sick even more than smoking.


We will deal with the question one after another. But let's deal with them one at a time. First thing first, we deal with how you chose to shun one thing that defiles the body but ignore others (arbitrary choosing what to frown and makes laws against while ignoring another that is even worse than it.)

The celebration of birthdays is strictly a pagan custom,not associated with Christians or Christ (The Bible & secular history prove it beyond doubt).
Or U give us just one proof from your Bible or secular history that birthdays was practiced by first century believers of Christ.


"YOU ARE OBSERVING SPECIAL DAYS, (birthdays), & MONTHS & SEASONS & YEARS ! (not approved by God). I fear for you,that some how I have wasted my efforts on you. "
Galatians 4:8-11.

The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. 1 Cor 3:19.

"You adulterous people ( who cloak pagan customs with Christianity), don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God?" James 4:4..

Your father tells you that your family avoids a particular stream that your family's enemies goes to or visits all the time. Have U not broken your family's code by going to that stream that is avoided by your family members?

Is king Pharaoh a pagan or a servant of God ? Also, is king Herod a pagan or a servant of God?
Gen40:20-22. Matt14:6-10.


Emperor Constantine merged Christendom & paganism to bring forth Christmas.
Make una dey look for all the excuses Una need, Light & darkness can never be companions.

Na U dey cherry pick what pleases U,point one finger at JWs,your other four fingers points right back at U.
Whatever defiles your flesh & spirit includes, but not limited to junk food, smoking& drunkenness. Negative thicking ,jealousy ,bitterness, murderous rage, drug abuse, porn addiction ,lusts. etc all join.

Hairyrapunzel:
Is not celebrating birthdays part of the footsteps Jesus your master left for you to follow? Bible never said Abraham David Jesus and his apostles and 1st century Christians never celebrated birthdays. YOU JUST ASSUMED IT IN YOUR HEAD.

You even have to use secular worldly history to formulate your doctrines because Bible didn't mention it. Na was o.
How did Bible portray birthdays in bad light? Where did the Bible tell you that it was solid proof that God hates birthday celebrations? OR YOU HAVE JUST ASSUMED AS USUAL?

BIBLE SAID PHAROAH PARDONED THE CUPBEARER (WHO TOLD PHAROAH ABOUT JOSEPH AND JOSEPH WAS MADE A GOVERNOR BY THIS PHAROAH).
I don't think you have ever read that part of your Bible. Well it's not surprising that you did not see the good thing that happened on pharoahss birthday.

Birthdays were never portrayed the way drunkenness was portrayed. It's all your assumption.
God's word never mentioned birthdays as being pagan events only your organisation does so as a result of findings from secular worldly sources you said so earlier. Stop lying on the Bible's or God's head. Haha fear God na

SERIAL LIAR INDEED !!!!!.
Sotaay U made Joseph a Governor on King Pharaoh's birthday (for your deluded mind)

Why U dey fear to name one man of God wey do him birthday from your Bible ? Lols .

Hairyrapunzel:
I am sure if they ask you if it's Herod or his birthday that killed john the Baptist you will say it's herods birthday that killed John the Baptist according to secular worldly sources. I salute Una.
I am sure you are yet to read the part in the Bible that said Herod and pharoah killed children and it wasn't even their birthdays yet o. Be using secular source to say God hates something when he didn't say it in his inspired word.

I am yet to see your doctrine and beliefs that are not based purely on secular sources. I no fit laugh

Can't U see how your comments make your IBERIBEISM obvious to all & sundry !
Anti JW virus done evaporate your sense finish.

rottennaija:
I'm a little busy for now. However, let's see how you respond to this.

Between smoking and eating sugary foods, drinks, junk food, alcoholic beverages, beers. Which of the two defiles the body more, causing more damage to the body, thereby leading death, sickness etc.

Answer this while bearing in mind the admonition against defilement of the flesh and spirit in 2Cor 7:1.

Secondly, the scriptures at 2 Co 7:1 speaks against what defiles the flesh and spirit . Note the bolded. Does smoking defile the flesh and spirit?

"Smoking harms nearly every organ of the body & affects a person's overall health..... smoking causes general adverse effects on the body, including inflammation & decreased immune function"
(https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/ fact_sheets/health_ effects/ effects_cig _smoking/index.htm).

Rottennaija, does smoking defile your body& spirit or not?
Is 2 Cor7:1 spot on as regards this matter?

rottennaija:
I'm a little busy for now. However, let's see how you respond to this.

Between smoking and eating sugary foods, drinks, junk food, alcoholic beverages, beers. Which of the two defiles the body more, causing more damage to the body, thereby leading death, sickness etc.

Answer this while bearing in mind the admonition against defilement of the flesh and spirit in 2Cor 7:1.

Secondly, the scriptures at 2 Co 7:1 speaks against what defiles the flesh and spirit . Note the bolded. Does smoking defile the flesh and spirit?

Rottennaija , I'm awaiting your response to my questions listed for U. They are pertinent to this thread.
I referred to 2Cor7:1, to make a point clearer. However, that's not the main focus of this thread.

U wan jump enter another topic when U never finish the matter wey bring us come this thread. Lets face this thread squarely pls. (U may open another thread for your last question, if U wish.).

Rottennaija, U resorted to sophistry to justify yourself & U missed the vital point.

Agreed, the angel announced the good news " For today there was born to you in David's city a saviour, who is Christ the lord" Luke2:5-15
In the same manner that everyone rejoices when a child is born, anywhere it occurs.


The Bible is NOT only about Do's & Don'ts. That is why "do not smoke or do not abuse drugs" wasn't written in the Bible.
However, the Bible's righteous principles condemns these vile practices .
"....Dear friends, let us PURIFY OURSELVES from everything that contaminates body & spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God" 2Cor 7:1.
In other words, SHUN anything that defiles your body inside &outside ( including over eating & drinking).
This principle applies to annual birthday celebrations. Let's read:

"But now that you know God or rather are known by God, how is it you are turning back to those weak & miserable principles. Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are OBSERVING SPECIAL DAYS & MONTHS & SEASONS & YEARS ! I fear for you that some how I have wasted my efforts on you" Galatians 4:8-11.

History tells us that annual celebration of birthdays was exclusively for pagans,not followers of Christ.

Rottennaija, What fellowship does light have with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14-18.


Question 1) Rottennaija, was the birth day of Jesus Christ celebrated every year by Mary& Joseph, aside that day the angel announced his birth?

Q2) Why would the perfect man ,Jesus, forget the celebration of his birthday?


Q3) U have tried so hard to justify birthdays celebration. pls name the men of God before Christ, or among Christ's followers who practiced birthday celebration?


Rottennaija, pls respond.
Shalom.

Peacefullove:
Hello friend,

Go back and answer those questions

The solite3 guy know say he go use him own hand condemn him falsehood if he ever responds to your questions & mine too that he has been dodging.... Lols.

Peacefullove, shalom.

solite3:
Like the Mormon's Bible, the NWT was translated with help of the Holy Spirit: (inspiration)
If you notice the very significant Watchtower quote below, they do not claim the translators knew Greek and Hebrew, only that they were "experienced" and "anointed". By experienced, they mean that they had been JW's for a long time and would tow the party line. By "anointed", they mean inspired by the Holy Spirit. So not only do JW's believe that the Watchtower is inspired, they believe the NWT is translated by inspiration. This is the same claim that Joseph Smith made when he translated the Book of Mormon. 1. "a translation committee of experienced anointed Christians was organized to produce the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures in English." (Watchtower, October 15, 1997, How the Bible Came to Us, p 11-12)
2. Mr. Franz was asked to explain how "translations and interpretations of the Bible were made." Franz replied that they " passed to the Holy Spirit who, invisible, communicates with Jehovah's Witnesses - and the publicity department." (Franz is the head of the Publicity Department).
A. The first thing you say to a JW's before you study with them is that you not accept anything from the NWT as authoritative. But they won't accept any other Bible in their heart, even though they might allow you to use one.
1. The NWT is so extremely biased & perverted, it is questionable if any Hebrew or Greek scholars worked on it. It is nothing more than a sectarian paraphrase, not a translation.
2. No one uses the NWT except the Jw's.
3. Jw's on the other hand will use nothing else!
4. It has undergone many revisions.
5. It is not a translation, but a corrupt sectarian paraphrase
B. Unlike every major translation, the NWT paraphrase was produced under a cloud of secrecy.
1. The Organization made this statement about the NWT: "It is the truth rather than its servant that should be honored and proclaimed," Russell wrote in 1900, adding: "There is too much disposition to credit truth to the preacher, forgetful that all truth is of God, who uses one or another servant in its proclamation as it may please him." This is the principal reason why writers and translators of Watch Tower publications, as well as members of the New World Bible Translation Committee, choose to remain anonymous. (Awake, Oct 22, 1989, p. 20)
2. During a court trial in Glasgow, Scotland in 1954, Franz was asked by the Government lawyer just who the translators were. Franz replied under oath: "That is an absolute secret. It will never be revealed now or even after death." Only someone with something to hide would be so intent on secrecy. He was asked: "What happens if somebody submits a translation. Does the committee examine it? Mr. Franz: No. I give it my 0.K., then the President, Mr. N. H. Knorr, has the last word." He was further asked to explain how "translations and interpretations of the Bible were made." Franz replied that they emanated from God: "passed to the Holy Spirit who, invisible, communicates with Jehovah's Witnesses - and the publicity department." (Franz is the head of the Publicity Department).
C. The NWT translators were: Nathan Knorr, Albert Schroeder, George Gangas, Fred Franz, M. Henschel
"Fred Franz however, was the only one with sufficient knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years in the University of Cincinnati but was only self-taught in Hebrew." ["Crisis of Conscience"; by Raymond Franz; Commentary Press, Atlanta; 1983 edition; footnote 15; page 50.]
Four out of the five men on the committee had no Hebrew or Greek training at all. They had only a high school education. Franz studied Greek for two years at the University of Cincinnati, but dropped out after his sophomore year. When asked in a Scotland courtroom if he could translate Genesis 2:4 into Hebrew, Franz replied that he could not. The truth is that Franz was unable to translate Hebrew or Greek.
What we are left with is a very inexperienced translating committee that twisted Scripture to make it fit the Society's doctrine.
D. Original published statements to document this can be found in
1. Raymond Franz', Crisis of Conscience, p. 50 (Franz, Knorr, Schroeder, Gangas),
2. William Cetnar's, Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses, pp. 68-9 (Franz, Knorr, Schroeder, Gangas, Henschel)
3. Jerry Bergman's, Jehovah's Witnesses and Kindred Groups, p. 39 (Franz).
4. Interestingly, both Cetnar and Bergman set forth material that indicates that the well-known Bible Scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed had some input to the NWT. Cetnar indicates that Goodspeed was not terribly pleased with the result.
E. Examples of mistranslation within NWT in order to teach their that Jesus was created:
First and most obviously to anyone who has looked at the NWT is the appearance of JEHOVAH in the NT portion over two hundred times where the Greek text has KURIOS (LORD). The second way in which the NWT has systematically abused the divine names or titles is in its handling of text in which Jesus is called God (Isa 9:6; John 1:1,18; 20:28; Rom 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1; 1 John 5:20; Acts 20:28) , of these, the NWT translates four so that Jesus is not called God at all
(Rom 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1) , and two so that he is "A god" or "god" (John 1:1, 18) . The remaining three texts (Isa 9:6; John 20:28; 1 John 5:20) , are not mistranslated, but are interpreted so that either Jesus is not called God at all or he is called God only in a lesser sense. In short, wherever possible, the NWT translates texts that call Jesus God in such a way as to keep the text from making that identification!
Genesis 1:2 "Spirit of God" changed to "God's active force." The revision modifies the original noun with a more impersonal form as the JWs reject the orthodox Christian belief in the personality of the Holy Spirit.
Exodus 3:14 "I am" changed to "I shall prove to be." The revision clouds the connection between God's self proclaimed title and Jesus' proclamation of being the same in John 8:58, as the JW rejects the deity of Jesus.
Numbers 1:52 "Under his own standard" changed to "by his [three-tribe] division." The Hebrew word degal translated as "standard" literally means flag or banner. Since the JWs regard saluting a flag as an act of idolatry, the text has been altered according to their doctrinal bias. (Same revision found in Num. 2:2, 3, 10, 18, 25; 10: 14, 18, 22, 25.)
Isaiah 43:10 "Nor will there be one after me" changed to "after me there continued to be none." The original future tense of the verb indicates that there will never be another being sharing in God's divinity. The altered tense suggests credibility to the JW doctrine of Jesus' becoming a "mighty god" while still being less than Jehovah in nature. (See the John 1: I discussion below for another expression of this JW distortion.)
Ecclesiastes 12:7 "The spirit returns" changed to "the spirit itself returns." The passage indicates the return of a human spirit to God after death. Since the JWs believe in an unconscious state after death, "itself' has been inserted to suggest a more impersonal reference to spirit.
Matthew 2:11 "Bowed down and worshipped him" changed to "did obeisance to it" The JWs evade recognizing Jesus as worthy of worship as a divine being by altering the form of honor that he receives from men and angels. The Greek word proskuneo literally means "worship." The use of "obeisance" is a NWT adaptation. (Same revision found in Matt. 8:2; 9:18, 14:33; 15:25; 28:9, 17; Mark 5:6; 15:19; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; Heb. 1:6.)

LIES & HALF TRUTHS galore.....

"I am that am" is not even in Hebrew language, neither is it in the Hebrew masoretic texts.
Every Bible scholar knows it.

No Jew would make that dubious utterance smuggled into Christendom.

It would do U good to spend time to research on the more accurate renditions of those verses U put up above than copy & paste the half truths & misrepresentations of online bloggers seeking for traffic.

JWs use all Bibles more than U who is fixated with only one Bible version,
the one U find convenient to propagate your lie lie...
(Pls
visit jw.org & read any Bible translations U see there.) That's why we can confidently identify which Bible versions gives a more accurate rendition of the oldest manuscripts.

Thanks to advances in technology, any inquisitive , honest hearted individual can conduct a thorough personal research to discover what's true or forged

The NT writers ,and even Jesus himself quoted extensively from the OT, and as such, it is proper to use the Divine name because they used it too. (Deut 8:3, Matt 4:4) ..
LORD (kyrios) is not the Divine name. In Koine Greek , "Yave" ( also called Iehovah in Greek) the Divine name was substituted for LORD.

solite3:
what you called called corrupted and forged were either the implied meaning or using the another word with same meaning.

Shey your "Godhead" mean deity for trinity vocabulary but eee no dey inside Bible manuscript. (Colossians 2:9. Roman 1:20). If U be English teacher U set exam, your students give U "Godhead". as another word for "deity ", make U talk true, U go dash them pass mark ?

solite3:
1 Corinthians 6:19 "Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit" changed to "the body of YOU people is [the] temple of the holy spirit." To avoid recognition of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the individual believer, the revision modifies "body" to a more collective form in harmony with the opposing JW doctrine.
1 Corinthians 10:4 "The Rock was Christ" changed to "that rock-mass meant the Christ." The passage depicts the preincarnate Jesus exhibiting his divine nature by being present many centuries earlier. This revision tries to conceal his eternal nature with a more figurative interpretation of "the Rock."
1 Corinthians 12:11 "As he determines" changed to "as it wills." The NWT finds many ways to disguise the personality of the Holy Spirit. In this case the third person pronoun exercising individual conscience and will is replaced with an impersonal pronoun.
1 Corinthians 14:14-16 "Spirit" changed to "[gift of the] spirit." Like several other Biblical passages, this one indicates the distinctive presence of the human spirit as distinguished from the mind and body. The JWs evade these distinctions and try to disguise them with related revisions.
The phrase GIFT OF THE is added in brackets five times, changing "SPIRIT" to "[GIFT OF THE] SPIRIT." The NWT elsewhere frequently paraphrases the simple word SPIRIT, especially when referring to the immaterial aspect of human nature, to avoid the implication that such a spirit has a reality distinct from the body. For instance, Heb 12:19 "the Father of spirits" (or the spirits) becomes "the Father of OUR SPIRITUAL LIFE." In
Gal. 6:18 "your spirit" is paraphrased "THE SPIRIT YOU SHOW." Similar rewording's are introduced in passages where the simple translation of "spirit" or "Spirit" might imply that God's Spirit is a person, contrary to the JW's doctrine that the Holy Spirit is God's "active force." So, Jude's description of certain men as "not having the Spirit" (or more literally, not having spirit" is rendered "NOT HAVING SPIRITUALITY" (Jude 19).
1 Corinthians 15:2 "By this gospel you are saved" changed to "through which YOU are also being saved." Similar to the Acts 16:30 revision above, this one again obscures the completeness of salvation by grace. The JW's salvation exists as an extended process ("being saved" with the outcome being uncertain until final judgment before Jehovah.
Galatians 6:18 "Your spirit" changed to "the spirit YOU [show]." Similar to the I Cor. 14 revision above, this one attempts to obscure the reality of the individual human spirit by presenting it more as an attitude of action than an entity.
Philippians 1:23 "To depart and be with Christ" changed to "the releasing and the being with Christ." Paul's eagerness indicates that the believer's spirit goes immediately into Christ's presence at death. The revision suggests that death and being with Christ are two separate steps in an extended process, as the JWs believe in soul sleep (i.e., the unconscious state of the human spirit awaiting the resurrection).
In Phil 1:23-24 several words are added without brackets that, along with some other changes, completely alter the structure and thereby also the meaning of the text. The passage reads in the NWT (with added words in brackets so you can see here) "I am under pressure from [THESE] two things; [BUT WHAT] I do desire is the releasing and the being with Christ, for this, [TO BE SURE], is far better." There are other errors as well, but the additions indicate here clearly change the meaning so as to avoid the test's implication that Paul would be with Christ after death. Some of the additions in brackets in the NWT so clearly change the meaning it is a wonder that more JW's don't question them? In 1Cor 14:12-16 the phrase GIFT OF THE is added in brackets five times, changing "spirit" to "[GIFT OF THE] spirit." The result is that Paul's contrast between his own personal "spirit" and his "mind" is removed. To assure that this contrast is missed, the word "MY" is also added in brackets before "MIND" twice in verse 15 but not before SPIRIT. Thus the simple contrast between "the spirit" and "the mind" (or "my spirit" and "my mind" NASB) is changed to "the [GIFT OF THE] spirit" and [MY] mind."
Phil 2:6 "Although Jesus existed in the form of God, He did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself" (He grasped equality and let it go to become a man) has been changed to "although Jesus was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NWT teaches that Jesus was never equal with God nor did he ever grasp at it. Notice the word seizure, which implies grabbing that which is not yours to grab ie equality. If Jesus was created by God, why would He be considered humble for not thinking of himself as equal to God. That is not humility, but reality! However since Jesus was equal to God, it would require great humility to give up his status as God and become a man through Mary.
Col 1:16-20 the word "[other]" has been added 5 times where it is not in the Greek Awful embarrassing for Jw's to read this verse with the [other] removed. Why it would mean Jesus was not a creature but God. By adding "other" to "all other things" Jw's attempt to avoid the obvious original intent of the Greek that Jesus is above all created things implying Jesus is not a creature!
The addition of the word OTHER is usually justified by an appeal to such texts as Luke 11:41-42 and Luke 13:2,4, where the word OTHER is also added after the word ALL. However, in these passages (and in others were the same practice is rightly followed) the addition of the word OTHER doesn't change the meaning, but simply makes it read smoother. In Col 1:16-20 , however, whether one adds "OTHER" makes a great deal of difference to the meaning! What is so often noticed is that the NWT does this same thing in several other passages as well (Acts 10:36; Rom 8:32; Phil 2:9) . In
Rom 8:32 , the word OTHER is not even placed in brackets, contrary to the work's stated practice. In all of these text, the intent seems to be to undermine the implication of the text that Jesus Christ is God.
Colossians 1:19 "His fullness" changed to "fullness." The definite Greek article (to), translated "his," indicates that Jesus shares the Father's divine nature as also shown in Col. 2:9. The revisions evade the truth by concealing the similarity of the two passages.
Also notable is Col 1:19 "because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him." Here the little word THE is omitted before FULLNESS. This is significant, because NWT renders "ALL FULLNESS" is ambiguous, whereas "ALL THE FULLNESS" clearly refers to the fullness of God's own being (compare Col 2:9).
Col 2:6-12 Again, in Col 2:6-12 "IN HIM" and "IN WHOM" (en auto, en ho) becomes "IN UNION WITH HIM" (v.6) "IN HIM" (V.V. 7,9) "BY MEANS OF HIM" (V. 10) and "BY RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM" (V.V..11,12). These variations serve only JW doctrine! They have no other purpose, they undermine the unity of the passage, which is that Christian life consists solely of a supernatural relationship with God through faith in Christ. There are many other passages where IN is paraphrased to avoid the otherwise clear meaning of the text. For example, In Matt. 5:19 IN becomes "IN RELATION TO" so as to avoid the passages teaching that some who disobey the law's commandments and teach others to do so will nevertheless be accepted "in the kingdom of heaven" (which JW's believe will be restricted to the 144,000 special chosen and sanctified believers).
Colossians 2:9 "The fullness of deity" changed to "the fullness of the divine quality." The Greek theotes, translated "deity," literally means divine essence or divinity. As the JWs reject the divine nature of Jesus, a revision is inserted to suggest that Jesus is limited to only divine-like characteristics.
I Timothy 4:1 "The Spirit" changed to "the inspired utterance." This revision attempts to obscure the reality and activity of the Holy Spirit by representing it as a message instead of an entity. (Similar revisions found in 1 John 4:1, 3, 6 with "expression" being utilized in place of "utterance." A straightforward "the SPIRIT says" would too obviously imply the personality of the "Spirit".
Titus 2:13 "Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" changed to "the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus." Similar to the Rom. 9:5 revision shown above, a distinct proclamation of Jesus as God is obscured by the altered text. (Similar rewording also found in 2 Peter 1:1.)
Hebrews 1:6 "But when He again brings his First-born into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all God's angels worship him' ." (New World Translation, 1950, 1961, 1970 editions, The NWT revised 1971 edition was changed to read, "do obeisance to" rather than "worship". This change remains to this day, even though the original word chosen by the 4 NWT translators, was accurate to the Greek. However the Watchtower society was losing so may new converts because of the word "worship" (only God gets worshipped) that they did the typically dishonorable thing and chose the obscure unknown word "obeisance" to complete the deception of new converts.
Hebrews 1:8 "Your throne, 0 God" changed to "God is your throne." The revision avoids addressing the Son, Jesus, as God to validate the JWs' rejection of his divine nature.
Hebrews 9:14 "The eternal Spirit" changed to "an everlasting spirit." Similar to the Rom. 2:29 revision above, the switching of the article before the adjective represents the work of the Holy Spirit in a more indirect/ impersonal manner.
Hebrews 12:9 "Father of our spirits" changed to "Father of our spiritual life." Similar to the I Cor. 14 revision shown above, this one tries to obscure the distinctive reality of human spirits by replacing them with a more abstract noun.
Hebrews 12:23 "The spirits of righteous men" changed to "the spiritual lives of righteous ones." This revision represents the same noun-switching as described in Heb. 12:9 above.
Hebrews 12:28 "We are receiving a kingdom" changed to "we are to receive a kingdom." An orthodox Christian understanding of the Kingdom recognizes it as primarily established through Jesus' victorious death, then further through post-resurrection displays of his power, and perpetually through the addition of new believers into God's family. The JWs teach that Jesus' Kingdom did not begin until his invisible return in 1914. The form of the Greek word for "receiving" (paralambano) implies a current condition, but the revision suggests a future event according to the JW doctrine.
1 Peter 1:11 "Spirit of Christ in them was pointing" changed to "the spirit in them was indicating concerning Christ." Another example of the supernatural presence of Jesus in the life of a Christian is obscured again by this revision as the JW doctrinal view presents him as more limited.
I Peter 3:18-19 "By the Spirit, through whom" changed to "in the spirit. In this [state]." Similar to several examples presented above, in this passage the presence and personality of the Holy Spirit is obscured with a more abstract representation of the Holy Spirit to accommodate the JW doctrine.
1 John 4:1-6 "Spirit" changed to "inspired expression" Even clearer is 1 John 4:1-6. John has just stated that we know our union with God is secure "owing to the spirit which he gave us" (3:24). The next sentence in the NWT reads; "Beloved ones, believe not every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God" (4:1). One would never suspect from this rendering that "INSPIRED EXPRESSION" translates the same Greek word (pneuma) as "SPIRIT" in 3:24 (see 4:2,3,6). John's whole point is that although the Spirit's presence assures us of God's love, we are not to believe every "spirit" that claims to be from God but test each one by the teachings it prophets espouses. "Because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (4:1). The NWT obscures this point to avoid the implication that God's Spirit is a person rather than a force (just as the demonic spirits are personal entities and not impersonal forces, as the JW accept).
The same doctrinal bias can be seen in 1 Tim 4:1, where the NWT reads; However, the inspired utterance says...." A straightforward "the SPIRIT says" would too obviously imply the personality of the "Spirit".
Jude 19 "Have the Spirit" changed to "having spirituality." Similar to Gal. 6:18 above, this revision attempts to obscure the separate presence of the Holy Spirit.
Revelation 3:14 "Ruler of God's creation" changed to "beginning of the creation by God." The altered prepositions distract from the sovereignty of Jesus indicated in the passage and suggests that the real power of creation was accomplished through the Father, as the JWs believe that Jesus is a created being.

U still dey kwantinue with your fallacies.. U no go repent ?
Make I give only one example for all the lie lie U copy & paste above.

Colossians 2:9 " The fullness of deity" is the same as the "fullness of the divine quality". The key word there is "divine" ,which means "deity". But in your corrupted & forged KJV, una dubiously smuggle "Godhead" put for there.(and Romans 1:20).


Chambers 21st century Dictionary says "divine" means "belonging or relating to,or coming from God or a god".

Therefore, the dictionary description fits perfectly with John 1:1 (NWT) rendition which correctly reads " ...a god was the word..."
This is solid proof that Jesus is not Almighty God ,his Father.

Mr Solite3, is "Godhead" the same in meaning with deity or divine?
"Mr solite3, your "Godhead" dey for inside Bible manuscript?


In Hebrew 9:14 , pls explain to nairalanders, what is the difference between "eternal spirit" & "everlasting spirit"?


U are so blinded by your falsehood sotayy U see the truth U dey deny & confuse yourself.

Sotayy U dey use KJV based on the corrupted & proven forgeries of the textus receptus dey find fault with a more accurate rendition in NWT which is based on the older more reliable manuscripts of the holy scriptures.
U come here dey defend lie lie, U no get shame?

OneJ:
U refused to answer my Qstn : "Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his works, Prov 8::22" Mr solite3, who be that person in that verse? Is Jesus one of the "sons of God" in Job38:7? U no fit answer.. .
Jesus Christ tell me say U be liar. Him done see God come tell me the truth. John 3:16, John 20:30,31. Matt 16:13-17.
But U never see God ,U dey lie lie dey deceive yourself.
Keep believing the poo.


i) "There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son & holy ghost: these three are one" 1 John5:7. KJV.

ii) "God was manifest in the flesh"1Tim 3:16.KJV

iii) "Alpha & Omega" Rev 1:11. KJV

iv). "Godhead" Colossians 2:9. Rom 1:20. KJV

v) "By him" John 1:3, Colos1:16 , He 1:2. KJV

vi) "I am that I am" Exodus 3:14. KJV

vii). "a god" Acts 12:22, 28:6, twisted to "God" Jn1:1c. KJV
( The Word, the son of God is a god, not Almighty God. Because both Acts 12:22 & 28:6 share the same Greek grammatical construction with John 1:1.)

These corrupted & forged verses ( i- vii) that are not found in any of the oldest manuscripts in existence) were the very foundation of your dubious "truth".


Dalu rinne.

Trinity peddlers viewing this thread, your false doctrine was sweetened by these forgeries highlighted above.

solite3:
dodging as usual
the sons of God rejoiced but God alone created all things.
Jesus is God almighty
there is nothing contradicting in kjv

U refused to answer my Qstn : "Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his works, Prov 8::22" Mr solite3, who be that person in that verse? Is Jesus one of the "sons of God" in Job38:7? U no fit answer.. .
Jesus Christ tell me say U be liar. Him done see God come tell me the truth. John 3:16, John 20:30,31. Matt 16:13-17.
But U never see God ,U dey lie lie dey deceive yourself.
Keep believing the poo.

"There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son & holy ghost: these three are one" 1 John5:7. KJV.

"God was manifest in the flesh"1Tim 3:16.KJV

"Alpha & Omega" Rev 1:11. KJV

"Godhead" Colossians 2:9. KJV

"By him" John 1:3, Colos1:16 , He 1:2. KJV

"I am that I am" Exodus 3:14. KJV

" a god" Acts 12:22, 28:6, twisted to "God" Jn1:1c. KJV

these corrupted & forged verses (not found in any of the oldest manuscripts in existence) were the very foundation of your dubious "truth".


Dalu rinne.

solite3:
Jehovah's Witnesses
EXPOSED!
Compiled and Edited by David J. Stewart
The Jehovah Witnesses are a Satanic organization, based upon the occult of Freemasonry. Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd Degree Freemason; as was Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon cult. Carefully notice the Masonic cross at the upper left corner of the photo below...
The Masonic cross used by the Masonic Jehovah's Witnesses
Russell and the Watch Tower Bible and Track Society in the Greatest Masonic Center Cemetery
The picture below is the same scene as above, but without the zoom.
Notice the illuminati pyramid. This is where Charles Taze Russell is buried.
Below is a close-up of the inscription on the pyramid above.
This is irrefutable proof that Jehovah Witnesses are inseparably linked to Satanic Freemasonry .
Below: Notice the Freemasonry cross, the Knights Templar symbol. Charles Taze Russell was a Knights Templar.
Below: Notice the Masonic cross in this Freemasonry meeting hall.
The founders of both "faiths," the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses, were of the Illuminati bloodline. Charles Taze Russell, who founded the
Watchtower Society (Jehovah Witnesses), was of the Illuminati Russell bloodline, which also founded the infamous Skull and Bones Society at Yale University. Charles Taze Russell was a Satanist, a pedophile according to his wife, and a friend of the Rothschilds. Indeed it was the Rothschilds who funded the Jehovah's Witness operation into being, along with other Illuminati bankers, through "contributions" by organizations like the Rothschild-controlled B'nai B'rith. This was proved in a court of law in 1922. One of the key people involved in this was Frank Goldman who later became President of B'nai B'rith. Why would an organization set up (in theory) to help Jewish people and promote the Jewish faith, be funding into existence the Jehovah's Witnesses I think the name Rothschild answers the question. Russell was also a high degree Freemason and Knights Templar. He promoted Zionism, another Rothschild creation (see Hitler was a Rothschild ), on behalf of his friends and backers.
In his book The Watchtower & the Masons Fritz Springmeier says :
"It has always been disconcerting that the Masons are so adept at smokescreens. The leader of the Anti-Masonic political party in the 1830-1840’s turned out to be a Mason. Both C.T. Russell and J. Rutherford printed material that was less than favorable to Freemasonry. And yet I now know that C.T. Russell was a Freemason, a Knights Templar. I also know that Rutherford worked intimately with Freemasons who were his good friends."
The Occult Roots of the Jehovah's Witnesses
Read the eye-opening, Be Wise As Serpents (free online .PDF book), by political prisoner and Christian, Fritz Springmeier.
Read the eye-opening, Occult Theocracy (free online .PDF book), by Edith Starr Miller.
She wrote the book in 1933 and lists Charles Taze Russell as a Knights Templar Mason on page page 737... http://maritimes.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/06/10008-occult_theocrasy-s-_2.jpg
Read the eye-opening, The Watchtower And The Masons (free online .PDF book), by political prisoner and Christian, Fritz Springmeier.
THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS A DAUGHTER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
This Satanic society used Catholic Church Sources in order to produce its New World Translation . Westcott and Hort were two Satanists, founders of the Hermes Club and members of famed Russian witch Madam Blavatsky's Theosophy cult.
Dr. Bill Grady said it best in his excellent book, Final Authority ...
“Wescott and Hort, were a pair of unsaved liberals whose open Vatican sympathies cast them as the consummate Jesuit plants.”
“To regain her corner on the market, Rome created an elite paramilitary Gestapo unit that would make Himmler’s SS appear like a Sunday school… sparking what historians call, the counter-Reformation. The infamous Society of Jesus was founded by Ignatius De Loyola in 1534, more commonly known as the Jesuits….”
They are the most militant arm of papal power to this day. Their goals were to reclaim those that had left Catholicism and to attack the reliability of the Textus Receptus. They would use ANY METHOD to regain control including confiscation, treachery, torture and assassination. Jesuits will stop at nothing to bring the whole world under subjection to the Vatican. The Jesuits ploy was to entice Protestants back to Rome. They knew they could not bring anyone back into the bondage of Catholicism as long as true believers clung to the pure text. So the Jesuits plotted to replace our Bible with pro-Catholic readings of Jerome’s Vulgate. This would cause the Protestant scholars to believe our text was unreliable, unreadable and not scholarly. Once programmed, the scholars would attack the pure text, all the while, believing they were doing God’s service."
Westcott and Hort took two waste Catholic Sources ( the Sinaiticus and the Vaticanus ) to produce their waste version of the Bible, Nestle and the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses, written by Senior Jesuits Jose Maria Bover and A. Merkz, followed Westcott and Hort.
From the Forward of the 1950 version NWT :
"The original writings of the Christian Greek Scriptures, commonly called the New Testament, were inspired. No translation of these Sacred writings into another language, is inspired... The Greek text that we have used as a basis of our NW translation is the widely accepted Westcott and Hort text (1881) by reason of its admitted excellence. But we have also taken in to consideration other texts including that prepared by D. Eberhard Nestle and that compiled by the Spanish
Jesuit scholar Jose Maria Bover and that by the other Jesuit scholar A. Merk..."
9. *The Jehovah's Witnesses used Jesuits and Roman Catholic manuscripts to aid in the translation of the New World Translation.
'GREEK TEXT : The Greek Text that we have used as the basis for the New World Translation is the widely accepted Westcott & Hort text (1881), by reason of its acknowledged excellence. But we have also taken into consideration other texts, including those prepared by D. Eberhard Nestle, the Spanish Jesuit scholar Jose Maria Bover, and another Jesuit scholar, A Merck. The UBS text of 1875 and the Nestle-Aland text of 1979 were cinsukted to update the critical apparatus of this edition." The Forward, The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1985, page 8.
"In the broad left-hand column of the pages will be found the Greek text edited by B F Westcott and F J a Hort, and published in 1881." By Way of Explanation,
The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures - 1985, page 5.

Shebi I done talk before say na copy & paste bloggers naim U go bring come show for NL.... Hahahahaaaaaa.

Mr solite3, tell your source to give U Mr Russell reg number, the Lodge Register book wey him name dey. The year una initiate am plus the Lodge where him dey go their confra meeting & all the gbogbotigbo.


That's the meaning of PROOF BEYOND DOUBT because U already claimed on this thread that freemasons were hoarding the truth.
The burden of proof rests squarely on your shoulders. Until U do that, U remain a LIAR.

For the benefit of viewers of this thread, JWs do not have any symbol of any kind, not even the cross. JWs have no connection with any semblance to them.
Pls Google "Charles Gaze Russell Wikipedia " & know what haters don't want U to know..


BTW, Mr solite3, that your copy & paste photo is not the tombstone of Mr Russell ,nobody removed his tombstone..Abi, na U go there remove am? Don't deceive others even if U wanna deceive yourself.


The pyramid & other related symbols were never exclusive to Freemasonry except U wanna deceive us that the long gone groundnut pyramids in northern Nigeria came from Freemasonry or the Egyptian pyramids was erected by the group.

Anybody wey una hate, una go use una mouth & write up initiate them join cult sotayy, very renowned Bible scholars & translators , Wescott & Hort una done dey lie lie for their head just because their painstaking research efforts gave exposure to the fraud & forgeries in your reverred textus receptus.

Kai !!!!!!!!

solite3:
trying so hard to twist scriptures
Job through the holy spirit said God alone stretched out the heavens,

Job 9:8
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.


Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

God said he formed the earth by himself that means Jesus is God himself
can't you see you have been deceived and trinitarians are right.

whether you use through or by it mean the same.
Jesus is the word



Psalms 33:6
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

the apostle Paul said all things came through God

Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

how is it that
1.All things came through God
2.God himself created the earth
3 God alone created the heavens
and yet
1. All things came through Christ
2.Christ himself made the universe for himself


Jehovah witnesses are totally wrong for both in their translation and in all
the texts Receptus us very consistent with the Christian teaching, the fact that somethings in the Textus Receptus are not in the other Greek manuscript does not prove it us false
there is another way to determine scripture validity and that is by the Christian tradition and the internal consistency of the scripture itself.
the Textus Receptus a though not the perfect word for word translation but still consistent with the Christian goapel.
by the way kjv also used other Greek text but only used the textus receptus when convenient.
your attack against the textus receptus cannot invalidate the kjv.
the kjv is the most scrutinize and criticized but yet stood the test because it is true, other versions cannot stand half of it.

Indeed ,U are the one who is twisting the scriptures.

God himself said he was not alone.
"Jehovah proceeded to answer Job out of the windstorm & say:
where did you happen to be when I founded the earth?.... or who laid it's cornerstone? when the morning stars joyfully cried out together and all the sons of God began shouting in applause?" Job38:1,4,7.

Mr Solite3, is God himself more credible than Job? Is Jesus Christ one of "the sons of God" in Job38:7? Pls reply.

"Jehovah himself produced me (brought me forth) as the beginning of his way (his works)" Prov8:22, Mr solite3, who did Jehovah produce as the beginning of his works? oya reply.


Why U dey lie lie ? The fact that many things in the 16th century textus receptus CONTRADICT what is found in the oldest manuscripts(for example, the Vatican & the sinaitic manuscripts) of the holy scriptures, puts strong question marks on its reliability & accuracy.

Except for peddlers of falsehood like you, who employ the KJV to quote the forgeries found there & conveniently use it to defend falsehood, these days Bible students & Bible scholars do not give KJV serious attention. Lie na lie, Mr solite3, no matter how U wan twist am....

MuttleyLaff:
Is your word not subordinate to you?
Who does the uttering, you or your word?

OneJ, answer those earlier two simple questions in my previous post too now

"...his name is the word of God' Rev 19:13.
Jesus the word simply means that he (Christ) is God's spokesman or Public Relations Officer ,so to say. (Just like Moses, Joshua, Amos etc before Christ).

"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways but in these last days, HE has spoken to us through his son whom HE appointed heir of all things & THROUGH whom HE made the universe".

" ...I do nothing on my own but SPEAK JUST WHAT THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME" John 8:28.

My Oga, this one no be rocket science. .

PS: I thought I had given my response in my previous reply. Pls kindly repost it.
Shalom.

solite3:
and you think they will tell you the truth?
you know nothing about older manuscript.

the bible said God was alone
Job 9:8
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Hahahahahaaaaaa !!!!!!!!
Our guests & Nairalanders, Mr solite3 is desperately grasping on to straw in his bid to run away from the truth. The guy is just throwing shade.....

Freemasons have said that Mr C.T. Russell is not & have never been their member.
Until U bring him registration number & all the paraphernalia of his membership, Mr solite3, u are a liar.
"Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man (copy & paste bloggers of libelous content) by being a malicious witness"
Exodus 23:1.

The 16th century Textus Receptus (TR manuscript contains many corrupted texts & dubious insertions ) and it was used to translate the KJV , Geneva Bibles & a host of other Bible versions. Few hours of research shreds your lies to pieces. Facts are sacred.
Your denial can't change the truth.

Mr solite3, in context Job9:8 is Job's reply to his three false friends who pretended to comfort him. In 9:8,Job gives glory to God Almighty as the Creator.

But God Almighty himself done expose your lie.

"Then Yahweh ( Jehovah) God answered Job out of the storm..... where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?..... or who laid it's cornerstone while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God (including Jesus Christ) shouted for joy? ......"
Job38:1 to chapter 39.

Proverbs 8:22 -30 sheds more light....

"The Lord (Jehovah) brought me forth (produced me,(Jesus Christ) as the FIRST OF HIS WORKS...... before the world began.... When HE marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at his side...".
"the only begotten son who is at the Father's side ..." John 1:18.

Yes " THROUGH him " Jesus, as the craftsman by his Father's side, the universe was made


Shebi U done see am, the sons of God (including Jesus) were there when Almighty God made the Universe & Christ was the Father's craftsman.

Your unbelief can't invalidate God's word. Shalom .

MuttleyLaff:
Trinity peddlers and/or any with vested interest in it, can look out for each other

⁴However, when God our Savior made his kindness and love for humanity appear,
⁵he saved us, but not because of anything we had done to gain his approval.
Instead, because of his mercy he saved us through the washing in which the Holy Spirit gives us new birth and renewal.
⁶God poured a generous amount of the Spirit on us through Jesus Christ our Savior.
- Titus 3:4-6

Are you surprised over 1 Corinthians 15:27, John 17:2, Titus 3:4-6 et al?
Who, in all, who when the chips were down, did the donkey work OneJ?
Who wept?
Who, in the thick of our mess, gave up blood, sweat and tears? Hmm?
Does Jesus then, deserve or not deserve, being given these numerous accolades?

In the same Isaiah 9:6 where the Lamb is addressed as Prince,
the titles: "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" were also used for Jesus
Were such titles "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" ever addressed to Almighty God at anytime? Yes !!

But Yeshua answered and said to them:
“Timeless truth I tell you:
The Son cannot do anything of his own will,
but the thing that he sees The Father is doing;
for those things that The Father does,
these also The Son does like him.
- John 5:19

OneJ, of course, the Lamb is a subordinate.
Equally too, the Lamb, is an Angel. Sent on a mission. Answerable to God

PMB, the ordinary man, is a subordinate, compared to/with, PMB, the President
Both are one person, one man, same man, with a changing situation at a particular time

OneJ, here a few questions, I'll like you to honestly answer:
1/ If you agree that God is Spirit, and accept that God is someone or something that cannot be seen
how would you be able to manage tell what is it and who is it, on the throne?
2/ What image, visually do you expect, is to be projected,
in order for you to understand & your eyes to see, this someone or something on the throne?

Its MuttleyLaff by the way and not Mutteylaff, there are two ls and not one l, in the moniker

MuttleyLaff, your correction is noted. Thanks.
U agreed that "the lamb is subordinate" ,therefore," the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world", Jesus Christ (John 1:29) ,"the unblemished & spotless Lamb" (1pet1:18,19. Rev5:6) is subordinate to God Almighty, his Father,who gave him authority & power etc (John 17:2).

MuttleyLaff, contrary to your claims, the Lamb is not God Almighty himself.
"The kings of the earth.. called to the mountains 'fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne (The Father) and from the wrath of the lamb ( Jesus)!. For the great day of THEIR wrath has come...." Rev5:15-17.

"Salvation belong to our God who sits on the throne, and to the lamb" Rev7:9.
They are separate entities.

Your analogy to PMB & the office of President is very weak.
God Almighty,Jehovah himself is Supreme,beyond par excellence. Therefore, not accountable to any subordinate. But "Christ is of God " subject to his Father. 1cor 3:23.

Your brain & heart no go agree. But your eyes see the truth... Lols

solite3:
check it up rusell was a mason.
no doubt Jesus is God because he was with God in the beginning and God said he was alone.
all things were created through him is the same as all things were created by him.

C.T. Russell had no connection with Freemasonry. The group said so.
"The Grand Lodge of British Columbia & Yukon has said that Mr Charles Taze Russell is not a member of Freemasons."
(Source: Charles Taze Russell Wikipedia. Read up everything).

"God said let us make man in our image...." Mr solite3, was God alone & talking to himself? Gen1:26.

Gen3:22 "the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad..." Was God alone too & soliloquizing?.


U said "Jesus is God because he was with God in the beginning...". In other words, solite3 is with God & solite3 is God.
Wetin do your brain like this?

In the Greek manuscript John1:1b word for word transliteration to English . (Source John 1 :1 wikipedia).
".... the word was with the god.." In other words, the student was with the teacher.
Mr solite3, how many person be that?

The Almighty God takes the glory for all his creative works "God is the builder of all things" in heaven & earth even though "through his only begotten Son,Jesus Christ, HE made the universe" because the Landlord is very right to say he built the house even though we know he recruited Engineers, masons & other workers for the project. Hebrews 3:4. 1:2

The Greek word "dia autou" has only one meaning ,that is. "THROUGH him" .
No confuse yourself, "by him" no dey for Greek manuscript. for Hebrew 1:2, Colossians 1:16, John 1:3 etc. "through him" naim dey for Greek manuscript.

Bible Scholars & every serious Bible student knows that the 15/16th century Textus Receptus is a corrupted manuscript (from which the King James versions ,&Geneva Bibles were translated) filled with dubious insertions& forgeries that were not found in all the older ( 2nd to 5th century ) manuscripts available to man.
Shalom

Maamin:
There will be serious problem everywhere in the Bible where the word "and" appears going by that your interpretation.

Take for example that Rev. 5:13 you quoted.

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Your interpretation

13 And every creature which is in heaven, that is on the earth, that is under the earth, that is such as are in the sea, that is all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, that is honour, that is glory, that is power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, that is unto the Lamb for ever that is ever.

However if you choose to replace "and" with "then" the passage looses it context completely.

There is no 1 Thess 1:12 I guess you meant to say 1:2

The fact still remains that Jesus the Son came from/out of the father. You can't pick fault now in that passage. No! You can't.

Maamim, these Trinity peddlers will keep twisting & distorting the scriptures for their own ends. With out such, the carpet would be pulled off their feet sharp sharp..
It's so obvious that their heart is already foreclosed to the truth.


" IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF , who put everything under Christ". 1 Cor15:27.
The Lamb was given access to the throne by the One who owns the throne, his Father,Jehovah ( Yahweh.).


"For you (the Father) granted him (Jesus) authority over all people that he (Jesus) might give eternal life to all those you(the Father) have given him(Jesus)". John 17:2.



The Lamb is addressed as Prince (Isaiah 9:6) appointed heir (Hebrew 1:1,2). Were such titles ever addressed to Almighty God at anytime? No !! Obviously, the Lamb is a subordinate.
When a man lies to himself, his only redemption is to speak the truth to himself.


Shalom aleikhem.

CC :
perfectbeing

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