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solite3:
'by' is the correct rendition, the new world translation added and edited the bible in order to further the watch tower heresy.
Do you know that the founder of your organisation was a freemasonry and that your organisation employed their logo for long before changing it due ti public criticism?

Jesus didn't just create the physical world but also the Spiritual one, all angels from first to last were made by him and without him nothing can come into existence.

Colossians 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

@ bold how is it possible that another being was with God if God said he was alone during cteation.


Job 9:8
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

this suggests there was no other being with God that means Jesus must be God.

U are a LIAR. Charles Russel ,his family & JW. have NO CONNECTION. whatsoever with Freemasonry. Apostle of copy & paste falsehood, don't just go there !

Your very last sentence above is very false.

"He (Jesus) was with God in the beginning" (of creation). John 1:2.

v3: " THROUGH HIM ALL THINGS WERE MADE". (All things in heaven & on earth).

( In the oldest Greek manuscripts ,the exact word there is "dia autoü", ( "THROUGH HIM" ) that is right there.

The same Greek word "dia autou" is in Hebrew 1:2, Colossians 1:16. )
"The Only begotten,who came from the Father" John 1:14.

"No one has ever seen God,but the only begotten Son who is at the Father's side has made him known" John 1:18.

"....IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF,who put everything under Christ" 1 Cor 15:27.

Mr Solite3, U no dey understand English?

Don't let the corrupted renditions from the 15th/16th Century Textus Receptus manuscript deceive & confuse U.

The King James Bible & a host of other versions were translated from that manuscript. The manuscript has many forgeries & distortions . For instance, 1 Tim3:16. "God was manifest in the flesh".

"Father,son, holy ghost. These three are one"
1 John5:7.

"By him" Hebrew 1:2,Col1:16, John 1:1,3..

"I AM THAT I AM "Exodus 3:14 no dey for Hebrew language....

Hebrew language has no present tense. "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" means " I Will Become What I Will Become" in Exodus 3:14.

"Godhead" no dey for the older Greek manuscripts. "Godhead" was dubiously smuggled into most English Bible versions to sweeten the trinity fallacy.
"Deity " (in Greek means god, like God or divine) ,in the manuscript) was dubiously exchanged for "Godhead". (if your English teacher give U exam& asks U say "what's the synonym for divine"?, U come answer say "Godhead"
.Hahahahahaaaaa!!! )

Trinity fallacy is built on falsehood.

solite3:
I m not insisting but only emphasizing on scripture.
the word 'apart cannot be used in place of without as they don't mean the same thing, the Greek translation is there for you to check.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

the subject in this verse is all created things,
John points out two things
1. All things (created things) without exception was created by the word
2.without him it was not possible for any created thing to be made.
this automatically removes him from the subject.
HE WAS NOT A CREATED BEING.

Colossians 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

HE EXISTED ALL CREATED THINGS meaning he was eternal.
Again the apostle said all things in heaven were created by him, if he was created it will not be true hence the apostle would be wrong to say all thins in heaven was created by him.

in John 1:3, Col 1:16,17,Hebrew 1:2 , "by him" is not in the Greek manuscript. The Greek word "Dia" is found right there.
"Dia" means. "through" him is the correct rendition.


The insertion of "by". distorts that verse.
Just like other words that were distorted & forged to sweeten the trinity fallacy.


Therefore, everything under the sun was created "through" Christ, he worked with his Father to create the universe..Heb1:1,2. Colossians 1:13-16. John 1:2,3,14,18.
As John 1:2,3,14,18, points out, Christ was by the Father's side & Proverbs 8:22-33, Colossians 1:13-16 proves that Christ was indeed God's begotten son.

solite3:
Another proof that Jesus is God is the fact that Jesus shared God's glory and honor, if Jesus was not God it will mean God was sharing his glory with another, something he said he does not do.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

But in so many verse Jesus claims God's glory he calls God's angels his own, God's throne his own, he said [/b]THE FATHER HAS COMMANDED MEN TO HONOR HIM JUST AS THE HONOR THE FATHER[b]
how do we honor the father is not by worshipping him hence Jesus said his father wants all men to worship him.
the father commands all Angels to worship him.


Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

"Then the end will come when he (Christ) hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he (Christ) has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
For he "has put everything under his feet", Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him,IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, who put everything under Christ". 1 Cor 15:24,27.

Almighty God is not Jesus Christ.
Your trinity is a man made fallacy.
Pls, receive sense IJNA.

Perfectbeing:
According to you, God is powerless to be omnipresent.. In order words he's not omnipotent

Perfectbeing, why do U deny God's word & imply that I made it up?

It takes humility to amend your views/ beliefs when solid evidence proves them wrong.. If we go by your views that God is everywhere.

Therefore, the only true & holy God is in occult temples, ritualist dens, village shrines, brothels & any place of iniquity . Mbanu !!!!!!!!

God is Faithful, Almighty & Awesome. HE has no limitation. (Num23:19. Luke1:37).

"From heaven (Yahweh) Jehovah looks down & sees all mankind; FROM HIS DWELLING PLACE HE WATCHES ALL WHO LIVE ON EARTH". Ps 33:13,14.

God sees everywhere & everything from heaven, his place of dwelling.

"Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight" Hebrew 4:13.

Shalom

TATIME:
WISDOM is "the practical application of accumulated information for lasting benefit " I'm not saying that basic education is worthless but spending all ones life in pursuit of a career that won't allow for the most important things in life is totally out of sense according to Jesus. John 21:15-19 That is why true Christians in the first century were charged to focus more on their Christian ministry because both the career seeker and others are clamouring for a fulfilled life "just to be happy". REAL Christians aren't happy when they're not able to declared the TRUE message of God's kingdom to others "no matter what they have or able to accumulate" moreover Jesus taught TRUE Christians never to store up treasures on earth! Matthew 6:19,20 A career seeker lost his life just because he was so entrenched in his career to the extent he saw the Messiah face to face and turned away from SALVATION! Mark 10:18-27 The "RICH" that Jesus was referring to in his statement never meant those who became rich by chance but those who believes and trusted so much in wealth! So how do you evaluate such attribute? It is simply those who will never allow anything to debar their progress in the disciple making work that Jesus commissioned, of course a career seeker must choose between his career and his Christian ministry( Luke 16:13)So TRUE Christians keep encouraging their children (whom they will like to see in God's kingdom)to desist from time consuming careers. Mark 4:19 Jehovah's Witnesses want their children to live a NONE materialistic simple lifestyle ( Matthew 6:22,23) that is why they won't support their children to be running after CAREERS just few things is enough to scale through this system of things. Thanks for your concern my friend,i just want you to know that we Jehovah's Witnesses are TRUE Christians and our lives are not built around material possession or CAREERS.(1John 2:15-17) God bless you!

Mikeolu moniker is a Judas in sheepskin. He is a pretentious hypocritical coward who malign Jehovah's name online. Go through his posts & see for your self. Jah bless U my bro, TATIME..

MuttleyLaff:
God is already everywhere at anytime

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently
be, God the Father in Heaven
and be the Son of God on earth, at any moment of time?"

"From heaven (Yahweh, Jehovah) looks down and sees all mankind.; From his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth". Ps33:13,14. Ps11:4,5. God's word is truth. Shalom

mikeolu1:
University education teach people to ask questions and not just believe what is handed down to them.
No wonder most inventions in science, medicine, engineering etc originate from universities.
religious leaders who do not want to be questioned, who want their followers to obey blindly, those are the leaders who discourage higher learning.

Awake of May 22,1969 pg15 States " Therefore as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking of a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way towards its finish if not actually gone!"

The above quote was written in 1969. please Think

@mikeolu1: Education goes beyond paper qualification that U are rant about for your mischievous ends.

. Even if U get first degree or PhD, how U take better pass JWs who practice what they believe,preach & live by God's righteous standard? U are a being fraudulent & dishonest because what U put up here is half truth& distortion of facts.


Make I expose U small.
. U quote from few sentences in 1969 Awake, why U no copy & paste the entire pages of that topic where U lifted your quote? That is the real meaning of OBJECTIVITY.


Since U claim say U go to school & U no fit do like person wey go school, by being objective, your so called education has now proved to be useless to U & your society U live in.


ii) Also, How do U feel when U put up all these crap to malign Jehovah's name? Yet, U go to the Bible Study program at the kingdom hall& pretend U serve Jehovah while U hide what U really are & later come online to abuse JWs & insult Jehovah's name.
Your devious action amounts to COWARDICE & HYPOCRISY. To be frank, U are worse than Judas.


U dey quote 1969 Awake, just dey rant up & down, since then & now, 2018, the numbers of JWs in tertiary institutions are still sky high, increasing every year. Whatever each JW decide on this matter, it's their personal choice.
Why U dey drink malaquine for JW matter?


The current trend in the labour market is in incontrovertible proof that JWs are right to de-emphasize paper qualification. Now the global trend is tilted towards viable vocational skills ,that is what JWs place primary emphasis & importance which will make our people to be gainfully employed rather than cram & pass exam to grab paper qualification that can not guarantee your survival in an ever dynamic environment.
No one can be successful in any vocational skills education without critical thinking skills & ability.



Contrary to your crooked ways, every JW knows that we emphasize that he/she must copy the Beroean example in his decision making .... "for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind ,carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so" & "make sure of all things" Acts 17:11. 1 Thess5:21.


Your mumu done do.

Shelumiel:
See the question again :are there two Fathers'? Kindly answer with a yes or no so we can proceed .

Yes

Benblaq:
Since I was born I've been wanting to fall, atleast to know how it feels like.
Many strong and powerful crusades and fellowship I have attended with most of my friends dropping like bags of garri during prayers, no matter how I try to free myself, I won't fall. Please is it normal?

OP, U no go fit fall at all because U no follow them plan & do their "theatre" rehearsal together before the next church service. Baba God done shine your eyes be that.
God bless your honesty.
Shalom

Shelumiel:
Hahaha...please quote the bible passage in the new testament that says or refers directly to " JESUS AS OUR EVERLASTING FATHER ". Reply

"The first Adam became a living soul," the last Adam a life giving spirit.
The spiritual did not come first,but the natural,and after that, the spiritual
. The first man (Adam) was out of the dust of the earth, the second man (Jesus) from heaven." 1 cor 15:45-47.

" The wages of sin is death (through Adam) but the gift of God is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our lord" Roman 6:23.


Is Adam your forefather? Is Jesus now your everlasting father? Deny it & deny your saviour. It's simple as that.
Shalom

Shelumiel:
Hahaha...please quote the bible passage in the new testament that says or refers directly to " JESUS AS OUR EVERLASTING FATHER ". Reply

"The first Adam became a living soul," the last Adam a life giving spirit.
The spiritual did not come first,but the natural,and after that, the spiritual
. The first man (Adam) was out of the dust of the earth, the second man (Jesus) from heaven." 1 cor 15:45-47.

" The wages of sin is death (through Adam) but the gift of God is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our lord" Roman 6:23.


Is Adam your forefather? Is Jesus now your everlasting father? Deny it & deny your saviour.
Shalom

Shelumiel:
Answer the question : are there two Fathers' ? Simple

Stop your deceit," Everlasting Father" is a title applied to JESUS," the Chief Agent ("author of life",) whom God,his Father raised from the dead" Acts3:15, "God exalted him to His right hand as Prince & Saviour ". Acts5:31) .


( Shelumiel, your God resurrected himself &placed himself at his own right hand.. What a mumuish absurdity!!!!!!!)

The context of the Messianic prophecy of Isaiah 9:6,7 has no connection to Fatherhood via creation or ancestry, except U are being clever by half.

Rather, it is fatherhood through influence. This is similar to Job29:11-17 ( vs12" Because I rescued the poor who cried for help..... and the fatherless, ....... i was a father. to the needy"

Is Godfather, a reference to the Almighty God?
Even the Devil is a father, is he Almighty God? John 8:44.

Your assertion is built on quicksand.
(Pls go back to my post & see howJesus became our Everlasting Father).


Shelumiel, who gave the child born unto us,the son given unto us?
Who made him Prince of Peace, Mighty God, Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father etc? Who placed the government upon his shoulder?

Pls respond.
Shalom

Shelumiel:
I do not speak Greek , and I know you do not speak Greek either, but you are holding onto the opinion of another who did not read the scriptures throughly before he started giving his own twisted interpretation of what he feels should be the right thing , but here is where he messed up big time. Isaiah 9:6 was written in Hebrew and it says " For unto us a Child is born ,unto us a Son is given ; And the government will be upon His shoulders . And His name will be called Wonder, Counselor , Mighty God , Everlasting Father , Prince of Peace ." Now my question to you is this : Jesus was always talking of His Father . Now why would Isaiah tagged Jesus as the Everlasting Father ? Why? Or do the scriptures(Bible) speak of two Fathers'? Reply

Why are U so daft ?Who told U its " the opinion of those who did not read the Scriptures thoroughly" or his own twisted interpretation"? Greek linguists /Bible scholars have shared the result of their research about Koine Greek, U are here making idiotic ,disparaging comments borne out of arrogance & denial.

John 1:1,Acts28:6, Acts 12:22 all have the same Greek grammar similarity ,therefore, all would read "a god" .

When U saw those 13 Bible translations cited there (john1:1 wikipedia) where John 1:1 read "a god " your heart refused to believe what your eyes have seen. That's how far U have deceived yourself & mortgage the truth.


In your own words Isaiah 9:6 was written in Hebrew" For unto us a child is born,unto us a son is given"


Schelumiel, who gave the child born unto us? Who gave the son give unto us?

U dey hang on to "Everlasting father", who made him "Prince of Peace, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Wonderful Counselor ? Who gave him "the government upon his shoulder?

Does the phrase "Godfather" mean the ALMIGHTY God?


Adam is our forefather (father of the human race) who gave us life but later lost it (Romans 5:12, 3:23). but the Last Adam ( also called 2nd Adam) paid the ransom sacrifice & restored everlasting life back to us.( 1 Cor 15:45-47. John 5:24-30. Roman 6:23 )


Will your pride allow U to receive & digest this gospel truth?

Shelumiel:
I do not speak Greek , and I know you do not speak Greek either, but you are holding onto the opinion of another who did not read the scriptures throughly before he started giving his own twisted interpretation of what he feels should be the right thing , but here is where he messed up big time. Isaiah 9:6 was written in Hebrew and it says " For unto us a Child is born ,unto us a Son is given ; And the government will be upon His shoulders . And His name will be called Wonder, Counselor , Mighty God , Everlasting Father , Prince of Peace ." Now my question to you is this : Jesus was always talking of His Father . Now why would Isaiah tagged Jesus as the Everlasting Father ? Why? Or do the scriptures(Bible) speak of two Fathers'? Reply

Who told U "it is the opinion of another who did not read the scriptures thoroughly" or "his twisted interpretation ? " Are U so daft?


Remove "a" from Acts 28:6 , 12:22, is apostle Paul God? Also,remove "a" from Acts 12:22, is king Herod God?
Both verses share the same Greek grammar with John 1:1 & in all of them ,the Greek manuscript "god" is lowercase, na the twisting & distortion of "god" to "God" in John 1:1c na the lie lie be una John 1:1.
The son of Lion is not Lion but a Lion. Therefore, the son of God is not God but a "god". Ps 82:6.

"For unto us a child is born.... a son is given". My question for Shelumiel, who gave the son /child born to us ? Who made him "Prince of Peace", Mighty God, Everlasting Father" in Isaiah 9:6?



Nairalanders, desire your answer to this question: Does Godfather in any context refer to God ALMIGHTY?


Jesus is our "Everlasting father" because he is the last Adam (also called the "second Adam) who redeemed us & gave us resurrection/ everlasting life. John 5:24-29. 1Cor 15:44-47.

The first Adam, our forefather (Father of mankind),gave us life in the Garden of Eden but lost it( Roman 5:12) but our " last Adam" & "Everlasting father" has restored everlasting life back. to us again thru his sacrifice for our sins. John 3:16.


Your brain go fit catch this gospel truth?

Perfectbeing:
I think one major problem we Christian have is that we don't know the difference between a figurative statement and a literal statement.

Christ sitting on the right hand of God is a figurative statement and not a literal one. There's no chair in heaven that God or Christ is sitting on. Just like when you say President buhari is sitting in Aso Rock. It doesn't mean he's is literally sitting in Aso rock. It means he's sitting in a place of authority as the president of Nigeria. Christ on he right hand of God that Christ sits on a place of authority.

U guys always misapply " I and my Father are one" . Christ & his father are one just like Christ and his followers John 17:11,21.
Besides, this is what Christ actually meant Amos3:3. Just like man & wife matt19:4-6.



His Father, Yahweh( Jehovah) granted that authority to Jesus his son . (John 3:35. Hebrew 1:1,2) .Do you agree?
Jesus & his Father are different entities. Do U agree ? John 14:1. 17:3. 1Cor 15:27

Shelumiel:
Another question to for you : If the Trinity is a fallacy , they why did God use the word "Us" in Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 11:7? Who are the "Us" ?

Shelumiel, the "Us" is some one ,the Bible called "the only begotten son of God (or only begotten god) who is at the Father's side". (John 1:14,18).
Jesus is not Almighty God himself.

Rather, the Almighty God was in a conversation with another person, evidently, His only begotten son, Jesus christ.
Gen3:22 " Jehovah (Yahweh) God then said " Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good & bad"

Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God Almighty created the heavens & the earth"

John 1:3 ,10 " THROUGH him all things were made".... the world was made THROUGH him"
Heb1:1, 2 " In the past ,God spoke to our forefathers.... but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON (Jesus) whom HE (God Almighty) APPOINTED HEIR of all things, AND THROUGH whom HE (God Almighty) made the universe"

Jesus worked as "the craftsman" through whom (Yahweh ) Jehovah God, his Father, created the universe.

A craftsman built a mansion ,yes. But the original owner/financier actually built the mansion

Prov8:22-30 " Yahweh ( Jehovah) produced me ("possessed me/ made me/ brought me forth" as the first (the beginning) of His works" ..... when HE marked out the foundation of the earth, I was the craftsman at his (Father's) side".


Any power, authority, glory /honour that Christ received, Yahweh (JEHOVAH )had permitted & granted it.
"The Father loves the son and has given all things into his hand." John 3:35.


This is not rocket science.

shalom aleichem.

Shelumiel:
You know, it is hard convincing people like you who want to believe in their own propaganda. The Bible in John 3:16 says that God has a Son, abi? . But if we refer back to the beginning of John(1:1-9), we are given a revelation regarding His true identity : He is God, He is the word of God and He became mortal to redeem man from perdition .

To be very honest with U the reasons why John 1:1 sparks controversy is because (1)most Bible translators allowed their personal bias to affect their work. (2). Greek grammar & its nuances are very very different in meaning compared to English..
Let me give U the word for word Greek manuscript transliteration to English...:
(Pls Note that the Greek manuscript is in lowercase. ).
"In beginning was the word and the word was with (toward/ facing) the god and god was the word" (Source: John 1:1 wikipedia.. Pls Google it & read up everything U see there).

Shelumiel, if U compared it with the popular rendition in many Bibles, U would see remarkable differences
. Pls, take note of these points

In John 1:1a, "in beginning was the word"
1b " and the word was with (toward/ facing) the god"
1c " and god was the word".


(i) In 1a, "the word" is linked to a beginning.

ii) In 1b, "the word was with (that is , facing toward ) "the god". (Pls observe that 2 persons are identified here,"the word" with " the god". Check well, the Greek says "with the god" but in English, it is said "..with God" Shelumiel, U can see that in Greek, the Almighty God is identified as " the god".

iii) In 1c , "and god was the word". If U are very honest, U can see that in 1b "the god" referred to the Almighty God but in 1c (," and god... " is not a reference to Almighty God ("the god" in 1b) .

But in your Bibles, in John 1:1c, small letter "and god was the word" was changed to "the word was God".
Shelumiel, U know say in English, "god" means one thing , where as, "God" means another different thing . If U stick to the Greek manuscript transliteration, that verse is not saying that Jesus is Almighty God.
Look at John 1:14," The word came from the Father" . In vs18 Jesus is " the only begotten son who is at the Father's side".
A son comes from his parents in the same manner that Christ " came from the Father" .

Pls read Acts 12:22 and Acts 28:6 , both have the same Greek grammar similarity with John 1:1.
Because it is proper to insert "a " in Acts 12::22 & 28:6, why frame John 1:1 in a fraudulent way? What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. Why change "god" to "God" to distort it's meaning in John 1:1 ? Why do U people keep quoting the lie in 1 John 5:7 , 1 Tim3:16 & Colossians 2:9? . In the Greek interlinear , "Godhead" does not exist. "Godhead" is a fraudulent frame up to sweeten the Trinity fallacy.

Shelumiel:
How can you say that Jesus is called God but He is not God ? That is like saying a person who flies an aeroplane is not called a pilot !

Shelumiel, bawoni , kedu ?

Pls think about these statements critically....

.
"The son (child) of Lion (his father) is a Lion (that is, the son is like his father, Lion. ).

In the same manner, (Jesus) the son of God is a God (that is, Jesus is like his Father,Almighty God).
In summary, the child of God is not God . Likewise, the son of God is not God
Jesus can never be ,& is not the Almighty God, his Father.

Shelumiel, U (the daughter) are like your mom/dad, therefore, U are within your rights to bear their name (off course with their permission).
U can not be your mom/dad but U are like them( that is, U have their traits,qualities, looks etc)

This thing no be rocket science.

I hope U fully grasp the meaning of these written statements U read.
Shalom

tomakint:
May my God whom I worship (Yahweh, Jehovah) continue to bless you, increase you, guide you for this epic response to that guy who has refused to learn basic and simple truth in the Bible that Trinity Doctrine is not of God. Jesus said it all here through his confirmation from Peter's response. Jesus Christ is purely the Only Begotten Son of God Almighty. God bless you bro!

From Bible study & thorough research, I found out that those "trinity " verses were either forged, distorted, twisted or framed to sweeten their lie.


"Hear O Israel: Jehovah (Yahweh) our God is one. (Deut6:4) The shema is true.


Shalom aleichem.

pressplay411:
It is our Truth. You are entitled to your truth sir. But I pray for your sake, for your family's sake and for the kingdom's sake you will reconsider. Because it is the Only way to overcome sin and fulfill purpose.

The well known lie & forgeries in King James Bible "God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim 3:16 kJV) & "There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son the holy ghost: these three are one" (1 John 5:7 KJV ) .
These lies, distortions & forgeries has overtime become your "truth".
Issoryt !


God is not a man, that HE should lie. (Num23:19).
God says "Woe to those who call evil good.... who put darkness for light & light for darkness. .. woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight"
(Isaiah 5:20,21).


A lie remains a lie no matter how U twist & paint it to sweeten it.

Shalom.

Primesky:
My dear stop dodging the question. The bible has said something, answer it. Who is Jesus Christ?. I'm not asking you what anybody said, we're looking at what the bible said, your version agreed to it as well. So, Jesus is not the Father, who then is He that He will have such exalted name and position?. The bible is supreme not what Emusan said.

I wonder if your brain would reason on the answer because even if your eyes see am but your heart will never accept it.


"But what about you?" he (Jesus) asked. "Who do you say I am? ".
Simon Peter answered :"You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God"
Jesus replied: Blessed you are,Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven". Matt16:13-17.



Jesus is not God Almighty, but the son of the Living God
The Supreme God Almighty, has no equal. Also,the only true God is not a triune Being deceptively concocted by man made philosophy posing as Christianity.

rottennaija:
Twisting the scriptures is what the devil is very good at. Do you know who else is better at it? Jehovah’s Witnesses. It's a part of you and remains in your blood because just like the devil, who is your father and the liar, you have grown so comfortable in twisting the bible.

"U no know say God recommended honeymoon? deut 24:5. Prov5:18. Eccl9:9"


Oxford Dictionary : "honeymoon ,a holiday/ vacation taken by a couple who have just got married".


Deut 24:5: "If a man has recently married, HE MUST NOT BE SENT TO WAR OR HAVE ANY OTHER DUTY LAID ON HIM. For one year he is free to stay at home & bring happiness to the wife he has married."


Prov5:18:... rejoice in the wife of your youth".
Eccl 9:9" Enjoy life with your wife whom you love...."



Rottennaija, even if U don't agree with the beliefs of JW coupled with your obvious anti- Jw virus, but at least , respect God's word the Bible. None of us can know more than Jehovah God .
Shalom.

Maamin:
Let me add this to it..
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."





Jesus does not consider him self to be equal to his God your God, and to his father, your father.


John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."



Yes you are still not far from the truth, you are just 180 degrees from it.

Matthew 25:34-40

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So tell me how much more of the power of the holy spirit that proceeds from God. His very essence.

1 Cor.15:28 says God the father is all in all.

Shalom!

Spot on !
Shalom aleichem

enilove:
THE BIBLE DID NOT CALL THE HOLY SPIRIT GOD , BUT THE BIBLE CALLED JESUS , "GOD ALMIGHTY" , YET HE IS STILL LOWER THAN GOD THE FATHER. JESUS HIMSELF CONFIRMED THIS.

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

I have observed on NL that the Trinity fallacy has so many versions that contradict each other because their false doctrine done confuse all the Trinity peddlers tire sotayy they don't even agree on what should be Trinity.


The true God is not the author of confusion, (1Cor 14:33.) but rather,Satan is the god of confusion, (2 Cor 4:4).


OP, U try for sure but..... Jesus is not God Almighty by any stretch of the imagination


Almighty God revealed the truth to Apostle Peter & John ( matt 16:13-17. John 20:30,31)


Apostle Paul confirmed it too.
." For he "has put everything under his feet". Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF ,who put everything under Christ" 1 Cor 15:27.

"Now I want you to realise that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God" 1 Cor 11:3.


Shalom

johnw47:
some say 1 john 5:7 has added words
but what Jesus said here is virtually saying the same thing and also shows Jesus and the Holy Spirit equal to the Father:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.



1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

who is the "He", isaiah and matthew say He is God:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, And shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

Elihu (the young man who comforted Job) means "My God is He". OP, then is Elihu the same as Almighty God? Again, Elijah means "my God is Jehovah", does that prove that Elijah is actually the Most High God?


OP, your quote in red letters (matt28:19) where did Jesus say the three are one God?

Or did other Bible verses U put up actually say the God ,Christ & Holy spirit are one ?
If we are to go by your logic, the expression " Tom , Dick & Harry " is one "god"shey ? OP, there is no explicit statement that said Jesus is Almighty God. OP, true or false?

The truth be told Isaiah said "Therefore, the Lord (Jehovah) himself will give you a sign.: Behold, the virgin (maiden) shall be with child,& shall bring forth a son....". 7 :14

Right there in heaven,thousands of years before Christ birth on earth in Isaiah's prophecy, his Father Jehovah already recognized Jesus as His son. OP, true or false?
"he will be called the son of the Most High" OP, true or false?

Emusan:
So you quickly modified your point anyway what I asked you isn't about being one but the gravity of the statement itself "JUST AS" This shows that I'm demanding for EQUAL RIGHT.

Jesus says "So that men will honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father"

In your first reply before modification, you said "and you think I will respect you like my father" you know the effect that's why you quickly modified it.




Trinitarian has always maintained that The Father is GREATER than the Son in position but not in NATURE. So stop following the wrong view of Trinity through the speck of your organization.

That's why I do say that you people need Bible study and not online debate.




Just imagine and listing to your twisting.

His ORIGIN is from ETERNITY! The key point here is ETERNITY, can a created being have ORIGIN from EVERLASTING/ETERNITY/ANCIENT DAYS.

Just like I said you need Bible study, the Father Himself is "THE BEGINNING" does that make the Father to be created?



But una com frame am like say Jesus no com from eternity nor God.




You people don't pay attention to the scripture contents which has made Satan to use the opportunity in manipulating you.

The verse says "....at the BEGINNING of his WAY" So kindly tell the how the Father who is eternal has a beginning way!

Then you will know it's either you lack the knowledge or misconstrue the writer intent.




Show me where only begotten or first born was applied to the Son before he came to earth.

Did the Father become human?

Emusan, U sabi twist the truth to promote your fabulous fallacy.
The Hebrew version of Proverbs 8:22 reads " Yahweh (Jehovah) brought me forth at the beginning of his way..". vs23-30 conveys the same message.

Your eyes will read it but your heart will never see it there.
Other Bible versions substituted "brought me forth" with synonymous words ("possessed me", made me"... etc.) .
Jesus was begotten ( firstborn creation) by his Father, the Most High God before the earth was created.

Besides,Jehovah further acknowledged Jesus as his son before Jesus came to earth. " Therefore, Jehovah himself will give you a sign: Look! the young woman (maiden) will become pregnant & will give birth to a son..." (Isaiah 7:14). Jesus is God's son forever. A child is the image of his father in the same manner that Jesus is the image of his Father, the Most High God.

Emusan, who did Yahweh make "at the beginning of his way"?

By the expressed permission of his Father, Christ received honour & other things.


"For he "has put everything under his feet" . Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him(honour, power etc), IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, who put everything under Christ" (1 Cor15:27).



Emusan,pls receive sense..

pressplay411:
The Concept of the Trinity of God is the most difficult to explain (except by the Holyspirit). It is also the most important in our Walk of Faith. This is because it is the Mystery of God, the Identity of God.
How then can any Man say thaf He understands God, when we don't even understand ourselves, when we don't even understand Animals, Stars even to the least of His creation?
We can only have a simplified basic understanding of the Trinity of God. Any attempt to think we can fully grasp it will send us back to ignorance and confusion.

The Basic Concept I have so far with the help of the Holyspirit, through scriptures, servants of God and divine revelation is this and I hope the Grace of God gives us all more insight and understanding, in Jesus name.
The Father, The Son and The Holyspirit are the same One God but in Three different Manifestations.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. - 1John 5:7

-God, the Father is the Father from Everlasting to Everlasting, Enthroned for Eternity. He is Love, Light, Truth, Good, Righteousness, Holiness, Eternal Life.

-God, the Son is Jesus Chist, the Word and the Lamb, Our Lord and Saviour. He is the Wisdom of God. He is God taking up human form to cohabit among us men on earth so as to fulfill the work of our Salvation. The only way we could overcome sin and death was for the Purest Blood of Jesus Christ to be our atonement, making Him our Substitution before God. He is the only Seed of Righteousness that uproots the seed of sin planted in the heart of Man by the disobedience of Adam. The knowledge and belief in Christ gives Eternal Life. Christ is the Only Way.

-God, the Holyspirit is the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Grace, our Helper that Christ promised and baptised us with. He is the Seal and Guarantee of our Faith. Only through the Holyspirit can we understand the Word (Bible), can we receive and build our Holiest Faith, can we receive Dunamis (Power) to conquer sin and overcome our fears and death. Only with the Holyspirit can we be attuned with God to fulfill our purpose.

It helps to think of the Trinity of God as the 3 different states of Water. The Father is Water/Liquid (Endless). Ice/Solid is Chist, we could see and touch Him. The Holyspirit is Steam/Gas, we cannot hold Him but He is everywhere. Spirituality is a Flow.

May God grant us more revelation and understanding through the Holyspirit in Jesus name. Amen.

Sophistry at it's best. OP, 1 John 5:7 reads "there are three that testify".(authentic version).

OP,that version U quoted in your post is a confirmed forgery. "God appeared in the flesh"(1 Tim3:16kjv) is also a confirmed forgery.
The authentic version reads ".. He who was manifest in the flesh.."

But ,all of una trinity peddlers una so much love the wayo & iwuruwuru ,419 version of 1John5:7 (KJV) wey Una take back up una lie lie.
Contrary to your post, here is the authentic testimony that God gave about Jesus Christ, His son (matt16:13-17. John 20:30,31). Shalom

Emusan:
It's still evident that you're still beating around the bush.



Two personalities WERE together from beginning and the second was called THE ETERNAL LIFE, can ETERNAL be created?

Mind you one of those things that made the father God is that He is ETERNAL. Now, if the Bible says Jesus is also ETERNAL, what does that mean?



Imagine, simple English is hard for you to comprehend here. Now let's even follow your own pattern, the verse says His BIRTH/BEGINNING is from ETERNITY. Does a created being come from ETERNITY?

Whereas, the Hebrew word in that verse is "<mowtsa'ah>" which is best describes as 'going forth' just as KJV put it. This best described as being in action from eternity.




I laugh anytime you people try to use Prov 8 without noticing the implication on what you're claiming.

For your information, the context of prov 8 shows that it was the FATHER who was actually carrying out the creative activities not Wisdom.

If you're in doubt, check how it was written:
v26 - while as yet HE had not made the earth
v27 - when HE prepared the heavens...when HE set a compass...
v28 - When HE established the cloud...when HE strengthen the fountains e.t.c

The HE here, who is he? The father or Wisdom?

So the content of John 1:3 simply means NOTHING has been created pro to the time CREATION begins unless you want to tell us that Jesus is the one who created Himself.
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The very first thing we read in Col 1:17 is "He existed before ANYTHING else, and holds ALL CREATION together" did Jesus is the one holding himself?

Just as you interpret origin to be birth/beginning why can't you also look at the Greek words used in those verses whether it actually means CREATED?

But the question you're still dodging is, the BIBLE says Jesus is THE eternal life, can eternal life be created?



You still don't want to learn.
When Jesus became part of the creations John 1:10, He became first born (preeminence) of creation, He was appointed heir of all things, He grew in wisdom and knowledge, He became first born among dead e.t.c

This was the very point the blessed Apostle Paul was addressing in the same Colossians 1:18 "...so that HE ALONE in everything and in every respect might occupy the chief place [stand first and preeminent]"- AMP

"...so that HE Himself will COME to have FIRST place in everything" - NASB

"...so He is FIRST in everything" - NLT

"...so that he might become the one who is first in all things; - NWT

Can you see that when Jesus became part of the creations He has to become FIRST.



Nobody asked you this. I only show you that even your organization admitted that Jesus posseses ALL THINGS man knows that makes a being to be God.

The Jews who listened to Jesus understood Him perfectly but you and your organization are just a tool in the hand of the Devil to manipulate the truth.

Imagine, if I tell you, OneJ you must respect me JUST AS you respect your Daddy...what do I mean by that?

In your last statement, U actually mean that the respect I accord to U must be same as that I give to my daddy.
In other words, Christ Jesus & his Father are one, just like Christ ,his Father & disciples are one. In like manner that husband & wife are one.


Agreed that two personalities were stated in John 1:2. God Almighty & his only begotten son "who is at his Father's side" (John 1:18). In any context that father & son relationship exist, one is always greater than the other. Do U agree, Mr Emusan?


The Hebrew bible of Micah 5:2..."whose origin are far in the past, back in ancient times". Another Hebrew language translation reads :
"..his origin is from of old,from the days of yore".

Contrary to your opinion,the texts does infact only pointed Christ pre human existence before his birth on earth as the God sent Messiah.

Una come frame am like say Christ na Baba God Almighty.


Prov8:22-30 " Yahweh (Adonai, The Lord ) possessed (acquired/ brought me forth/made) me at the beginning of his way,the first of his ancient works". (source: biblegateway).

God's word has spoken for itself. Nothing can I add to it at all.


Pls show me from scripture where "only begotten son or first born " was applied to the Almighty God. Or where Baba God prayed. to Jesus or took orders from Christ. Jesus? Shalom.

rainmaker12:
Eat will put it into your body
Inject will put it into your body

You that have sense.

I am mystified
I am bewildered
I am perplexed....All means 'to be confused'

If someone said he is CONFUSED, will you tell me he is not PERPLEXED he is just CONFUSED? What is the difference!

Numerous words means the same thing. Just understand the concept and you will get the meaning of all!

Do not EAT blood into your body!
Why should you INJECT it into your body!

The concept here is "DO NOT PUT IT INTO YOUR BODY"
I don't care the fancy words. The bible used the simplest of words.

Which means...
Blood should not ENTER your body!

Rainmaker, that "hairyrapunzel" moniker is an apostate & U can even feel the toxic brew of bigotry, delusion, IBERIBEISM & anti -JW virus litter his comments. Pls take note.

OneJ:
At Rev21:6 & 22:13 both. refer exclusively to God Almighty, not to Jesus Christ. Jesus & Almighty God are two distinct entities.
(1 Cor15:24,28. John 14:1. 17:1-3). Your Trinitarian website ntgreek.com has also confirmed it that Jesus "is not the Father God"
Pls don't get it twisted.




Do U even understand what U copy & paste above? That your aomin.org copy & paste is irrelevant here. Why?
Because the definite article ("the" is very common in Greek. No one is contesting that.
The bone of contention is should indefinite article ("a" be used in John 1:1? ntgreek.com says "it can not just be assumed" that indefinite article be placed there because of their doctrinal bias .

Ntgreek .com's arguement is weak& faulty because every other verse with similar Greek grammatical construction (Acts12:22. 28:6) with John 1:1 has ( "a god" there.
What is good for the gander is also good for the goose. (Hausa man say sell me as U sell my broda. Wetin una give Acts 28:6. 12:22, naim John 1:1 deserve. If U no agree, U done do 419 for there).




Does John 1:1 mean that Jesus is God?

Ntgreek says " However, since (John 1:1c) does not have the indefinite article , it does indicate that this Word was not the same person as the Father God".


Them say Jesus no be God.


Primesky , why U dey vex & dey lie lie when U see the truth stark naked before your very eyes?

U are STILL confused !
U said "God the Father- the Supreme Head." (1 Cor11:3). Where U see "God the son " for your Bible?


Ntgreek agreed that. "Jesus is not the Father God". Why is the truth too difficult for una to understand?
I know say U go bring up this issue. Na which crime Jesus commit if he answer him Father title wey him Father permit? (John8:28,29. 10:25. ).
Therefore, Rev 22:16 is no proof that Jesus is God. Jesus is an Apostle ( Hebrew 3:1), does it mean he is of equal rank & status with his apostles ? Or does that mean that Jesus is the same person as Apostles Peter/Paul ?
For instance, Burutai is a military officer just as the Commandant of the NYSC is a military officer, na the same person them be ? After all, who is the source of this Revelation ?
Rev 1:1 " The Revelation of Jesus Christ ,which God gave unto him.... he sent & signified it by his angel unto his servant John".

This is my final response to U on Trinity issue. We can agree to disagree.
Shalom.

Primesky:
Hahaha... Why do you confuse yourself so much?. Must you lie to defend yourself always?. Liars go to hell whether you beleiyit or not. So do yourself a favour and repent.

In case you can't read clearly or understand. Here is a full page from the site you seem to have fallen in love with. The truth of what it says. This is an answer to the same question we're discussing.

Verse in Question: John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

In answering your question, let me first note that understanding the Greek text of the New Testament is extremely important and necessary for a clear apprehension of what the writers of the New Testament meant as they wrote the letters and accounts that we now enjoy. One note of caution is needful because Greek, like every language, has its own nuances and ways of saying things that can lead to confusion or misunderstanding when looking at it from the perspective of an English (or foreign) reader. An excellent example of this is the phrase you asked about in John 1:1.

The Apparent Difference in Spelling

First of all, the same Greek word is used in both occurrences of the word "God" in John 1:1. This same word is used in many contexts, whether it refers to the Only True God or whether it is referring to a false god - such as a man-made god (1 Cor. 8:5) or Satan as the ‘god of this age’ (2 Cor. 4:4). The apparent differences in spelling between the word ‘God’ in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’ (‘theos’) and in other places, (even in the previous phrase, ‘and the Word was with God’ (‘theon’)) is due to inflection in the Greek language. Each Greek noun normally has 8 or 9 forms (cases & number) in which it can appear. (See my page on ‘Inflection’ and ‘Cases’ on the Web site). In the first instance in John 1:1 it is the object of preposition and thus is in the accusative case. In the phrase in question, it is in the nominative case (indicating the subject or predicate nominative - equal to the subject). But it is the same word for ‘God’, and in both phrases here indicates the One and Only True God. So the apparent difference is spelling is not because ‘theos’ is a different word than ‘theon’, but is a different form of the identical word.

The Lack of a Greek Definite Article

Another common confusion in John 1:1 comes from the fact that in Greek there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ (‘theos’) in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’. The confusion arises from an assumption that if there is no definite article in the Greek, then it must have an indefinite meaning and thus should be translated with the indefinite article "a". Based on this understanding, some argue that this phrase in John 1:1 should be translated "the word was a god," rather than "the word was God." It is important at this point to understand that the Greek language has a definite article (‘the’), but does not have an indefinite article (‘a’ or ‘an’). In certain instances, when the Greek omits a definite article, it may be appropriate to insert an indefinite article for the sake of the English translation and understanding. But we cannot assume that this is always appropriate. Greek does not operate in the same way as English does in regard to the use of the words ‘the’ and ‘a’. In many instances in which English would not include the word ‘the’, the Greek text includes it. (We don’t see it in the English translations because it would sound non-sensible in our language.) (See Note 1, below.) And in many cases where the Greek omits the definite article, the English translation requires it to convey the correct meaning of the Greek. (See Note 2, below.) Therefore it cannot be assumed that if the definite article is absent, then an indefinite article should be inserted. (For a clear illustration of this, see an example of the use of the word ‘God’ and the definite article in John chapter one.) Furthermore, even though the Greek language does not have an ‘indefinite article’ like we think of in English, there is a way in Greek for the writer to indicate the indefinite idea and thus avoid confusion. This is done in Greek by using the Greek indefinite pronoun ‘tis’.

In John 1:1 there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ in the phrase, ‘and the Word was God’. However, in this instance, it cannot just be assumed that the word ‘God’ is meant to be ‘indefinite’, and therefore an indefinite article used in the English translation. Because the first use of the word ‘God’ in John 1:1 (‘the Word was with God’) clearly refers to the Only True God, the Eternal Pre-existent Creator, more than likely John would have used a different Greek construction than he did if he had meant for this next phrase (‘and the Word was God’) to refer to a ‘lesser’ god, and did not want us to confuse this with the True God he had just mentioned. If John meant to avoid confusion, when making such a definitive statement, he could have done so by using this ‘indefinite pronoun’ (‘tis’) as an adjective. This would have made it clear that the Word was ‘a certain god’, but not the one he was just referring to. For examples of this, see the verses Mark 14:51, Luke 8:27, Luke 1:5, and Luke 11:1 (among many, many other examples). So, it seems that by the Greek grammatical structure in this statement, John is indicating that the Word (Jesus Christ - John 1:14) is the same essence and nature as God the Father.

(For a more thorough explanation of the function and use of the Greek article (and meaning of its absence), see ‘Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics’, by Daniel Wallace. He includes fifty pages - entitled ‘The Article, Part I’ - which is a more complete treatment of the subject that many grammar books present and explains all the general uses of the article. He actually has a ‘Part II’ which discusses some special issues with the article. Fifteen pages of this second section apply directly to understanding this passage in John 1:1. It is highly recommended for those who really desire an honest and thorough understanding of this passage.)

The Predicate Coming Before the Subject

Also, this phrase in John 1:1 is an example of a predicate nominative coming first in the sentence, before the subject. (Sentences like this one that use a linking verb require the noun in the predicate part of the sentence to be in the nominative case. Thus the phrase 'predicate nominative'.) The subject of this clause is ‘the Word’ and the predicate is ‘God’. In Greek, the word ‘God’ comes before the word ‘Word’. According to normal Greek usage (Colwell's Rule), the word ‘God’ should not have a definite article. Oftentimes, emphasis is shown in Greek by placing a word out of its normal, expected word order. Special emphasis is shown when the predicate comes first in the sentence. In other words, contrary to the thought that ‘since there is no definite article used here it could belittle the fact of the Word being God’, the fact that the word ‘God’ is used first in the sentence actually shows some emphasis that this Logos (Word) was in fact God in its nature. However, since it does not have the definite article, it does indicate that this Word was not the same ‘person’ as the Father God, but has the same ‘essence’ and ‘nature’.

The Context of All of the Apostle John’s Writings

It is also necessary to see this statement in context of the rest of John’s writings. When comparing this with other statements about who the person and nature of Jesus Christ really is, it adds to what is already made clear by the Greek grammar. See for instance: John 8:56-59 (cf. Exo. 3:13-14); 10:28-33; 14:6-11; 1 John 5:20; (also John 8:23; 3:12-13; 5:17-18). These verses also indicate that, in John’s understanding and thus the Bible’s clear statements, Jesus Christ is the same essence and nature as God the Father, but distinct in their person-hood.

Consulting with Other Well Respected Greek Scholars and Grammarians

For a further explanation and clarification about these items, it is helpful to consult with many of the well respected Greek scholars and expositors. Personally I have never come across any objective, well respected Greek grammarian that has come up with different conclusions that what has been presented here. Many of them go into much more detail than I have in these few short paragraphs. See for instance the writings of Daniel Wallace (‘Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics’), A.T. Robertson (both his ‘Grammar’ and ‘Word Pictures’), R.C.H. Lenski (in his commentary on the Gospel of John), Henry Alford (‘Greek Testament’), J.A. Bengel (‘Word Studies), Albert Barnes (‘Barnes’ Notes’), B.F. Westcott, and F.L. Godet, (and many others).

Final Comment

Bethany, I hope this helps to answer your questions. Obviously you are asking about a very large topic that can only be touched upon in such a small answer. My answer here is not meant to argue some theological doctrine, but to point out how important it is to have a pure heart when seeking God in His revealed speaking (the Bible) and how much it helps to know the Greek language in helping to answer some very complicated questions. A little (and incomplete) knowledge of Greek can do more harm than good when people try to apply it beyond their scope of knowledge. I beg you to seek the Lord honestly and continue to love Him with your whole heart. 1 Corinthians 8:1b-3 says, ‘Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him’. Many questions that are beyond our human understanding will only be answered when we see Him face to face. But for now, we continue to love Him and seek Him with our whole heart. The rest is up to Him. Please let me know if I can be of further help or guidance.

For a more systematic answer to the person of Jesus Christ, being both God and man,
please see a paper I wrote here: The Unity of the Person of Jesus Christ, the God-man

For further information (and a somewhat more scholarly approach to this specific question)
please see James White's answer at: http://www.aomin.org/JOHN1_1.html.


Note 1: A literal translation of the end of John 1:12 in Greek reads: ‘…to those who believe into [the] his name.’ It makes our English translation sound awkward or non-sensible to include the definite article 'the’ before the words ‘his name’, even though it appears in Greek.


Note 2: Literally in Greek, John 1:2 says: ‘He was in beginning with God.’ Notice that in Greek there is no definite article before the word ‘beginning’. It makes sense to include the definite article ‘the’ in our English translation for the sake of clarity and English idiom. Thus, ‘He was in the beginning with God.’

https://www.ntgreek.org/answers/answer-frame-john1_1.htm

Mr. OneJ, can you be honest, truthful and sincere enough, go through the full document above. Read from a someone who knows the mechanism of the language. You always pick out point that suit you and throw away the rest. Then you come up here on nairaland like a child claiming what I don't know. Sites won't help you. You will fail again there despite the biases. Let's look at the bible.

You are saying Jesus Christ is not in fact God, and he's not a true God?. You better explain this passage below.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Who made these statements?.

At Rev21:6 & 22:13 both. refer exclusively to God Almighty, not to Jesus Christ. Jesus & Almighty God are two distinct entities.
(1 Cor15:24,28. John 14:1. 17:1-3). Your Trinitarian website ntgreek.com has also confirmed it that Jesus "is not the Father God"
Pls don't get it twisted.




Do U even understand what U copy & paste above? That your aomin.org copy & paste is irrelevant here. Why?
Because the definite article ("the" is very common in Greek. No one is contesting that.
The bone of contention is should indefinite article ("a" be used in John 1:1? ntgreek.com says "it can not just be assumed" that indefinite article be placed there because of their doctrinal bias .

Ntgreek .com's arguement is weak& faulty because every other verse with similar Greek grammatical construction (Acts12:22. 28:6) with John 1:1 has ( "a god" there.
What is good for the gander is also good for the goose. (Hausa man say sell me as U sell my broda. Wetin una give Acts 28:6. 12:22, naim John 1:1 deserve. If U no agree, U done do 419 for there).




Does John 1:1 mean that Jesus is God?

Ntgreek says " However, since (John 1:1c) does not have the indefinite article , it does indicate that this Word was not the same person as the Father God".


Them say Jesus no be God.


Primesky , why U dey vex & dey lie lie when U see the truth stark naked before your very eyes?

Primesky:
OneJ, no amount of twisting and mumbling will free you.
Your explanation for eternal Father is totally false. And please for once stop pretending like you don't know the father we're talking about. If Jesus becomes our eternal Father according to you, what then will the only true God according to you become?. What do we now call Him?. A senior father God? Or the father of our eternal Father?. Hahaha. Please answer me.

Tell me is Jesus Christ a true God?. I am not asking you if he is the only true God or not. Your bible said He is 'a god'. Now you've quoted a site, wait first, answer the question. This a god', What kind of God is he?. Is He a true God or not?.

Mr. OneJ, I told you plainly that I wasn't going to argue with you based on online site. Because we have biases on both sides, for me and for you. In the same site, I will bring out a point to support my opinion as well and that won't , especially when you're twisting and misinterpreting the words. One writer says what he believes another says what he believes. Now, given what is in both bible versions, which translation does not affect as it were, tell me something and you're trying to wriggle out.

In fact, in the above post of yours, you said Jesus is not God, please who is He?.

The website (ntgreek.com) U dey copy & paste have exposed your Trinity lie lie. Pls read again, wetin U copy & paste below::
"However, since it (John 1:1c) does not have the definite article ("the", it does indicate that this Word was not the same person as the Father God."
Bro, no be Arabic or French be that.
Na simple English.


John17:3,17 "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you ,the only true God,and Jesus Christ,whom you have sent"
Vs 17: Sanctify them by the truth;your word is truth"
Jesus Christ our Messiah has revealed the truth. Therefore, he has provided a trustworthy and credible answer to your question.
BTW,between U & Jesus , who is more credible? If wetin Jesus talk for John 17:3,17 dey vex U, then quarrel with your Bible.


Your crooked twist & somersault responses proves beyond doubt that U are more confused than I had reckoned.



U don't have to accept or concur with the beliefs of JW, but resist the itch to malign Jehovah's name.
Shalom.