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PastorAIO:
I don't know what this has to do with the fact that you belong to a pedophilic mind controlling cult. Where did I say anything about John 1:1? Or about trinity for that matter. Mantey, the greek scholar whose work JWs abused, has said that his work was abused and corrupted by JWs. The founder of JW, Charles Taze Russell, the pedophile, perjured himself in court by claiming that he could read greek and his translation was based on his own greek scholarship. It turned out that he didn't even know the basic greek alphabet. And that is the liar you want to base your hopes of salvation on. You're so pitiful.

Pastor A10: Your posts above is an admixture of half truths & outright falsehood. Pls resist the temptation to post anything that catches your fancy.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/Ip-e/1953371

rottennaija:
Well, thank you for the long epistle. However, you are simple not said anything to set the record straight.

For the record, and for clarity purposes, how does watchtower direct elders to handle reported cases of pedophiles in the congregation?

What I actually expect is that you give a series of steps taken from when a report to made, the steps elders take to establish guilt, what do they expected from the accuser and the accused, etc.

JWs are transparent. Our procedures to handle these issues is in the public domain.
Pls go back to my previous posts & see the link I have shared. Everything is accessible on the JW official website. How many statutory rape cases where una pastorpreneur Daddy GO & Mummy G.O dey spoil young boys & girls & shag married women even inside una church rooms ,una done investigate & sanction them? Una done even forget the one wey wan give "robust reply"?
But, JW matter wan give una high BP. Shalom.

rottennaija:
So in other words, the organization of jw will continue to cover up child abuse. What steps are taken to protect other children when the accused has not confessed?

Riofidelio's reply never implied by any stretch of your imagination that JWs covered up child abuse. No put words for him mouth,abegi. Pls go back to my previous posts, I've shared a link which is accessible to the public, that U can consult & see how such matters are dwelt with.

The bitter truth is that all the Bible verses that Trinitarians quoted to defend their fallacy were either distorted, forged or misconstrued. For instance, in the oldest ( 2nd & 3rd Century ) Greek manuscripts, in John 1:1 "god" was NEVER in big letters. It's in lowercase..
In fact, 14 different Bible Bible translations including the Sahidic Coptic Bible , (which dates back to the 2nd Century CE,) John1:1 reads: "in beginning existed the word & the word existed with the god & a god was the word".
Acts28:6 (KJV) have similar grammatical construction with John1:1. Honestly compare both & see the fraud in John1:1.(KJV).
In English language, does "god" & "God" mean different things? Yes !
Besides, 1tim3:16, 1john5:7 (KJV) are forgeries (not found in the oldest Greek manuscripts).
Jesus said "My father & I are one". in the same manner that husband & wife are one. Can two walk together unless they agree" Amos3:3. John17:11,21. Matt19:4-6..
Anywhere U see "Godhead" for your Bible, omo na forgery be that. Eee no dey for Greek manuscript.
If u know, U know.

rottennaija: U no know say Ornaments made of gold ,silver etc had always been a feature of true worship in God's temple.? Exodus 25. U no know say God recommended honeymoon? Deut24:5, Prov5:18. Eccl9:9. Rather than stick to the topic,U dey rant up and down. Receive sense in Jesus name, amen. I'm done with U.

PastorA10, "Is Greek manuscript of John 1:1 proof of Trinity?". That topic exposes what is hidden. Pls read it again & again, that verse did not say "the word was the god." It is fraudulent to change "god" in the Greek manuscript to "God" in John1:1 to give it a different meaning to support man made fallacy. Acts 28:6 attests to the fraud in John1:1.
NWT ,Sahidic Coptic Bible & 14 other translations of the Bible were very correct, "the word was a god".
Besides, Is apostle John a liar (John20:30,31)?
1tim3:16, 1John5:7 (KJV) both are forgeries. If U know, U know.

Ratello:
Reading and reading over and over again this hot topic, I keep wondering why many contributors here except for few are not coming up with concrete and convincing proofs from the Bible why the Doctrine of Trinity should be supported by all Christians because so far, I am yet to be convinced that it is Biblical.

Ratello ,have U read "Is Greek manuscript of John 1:1 proof of Trinity?". Pls search on NL & see for yourself. Shalom

ShadowFighter:
Then maybe you should try and explain John 1:1 to me.

Pls search for this on NL ,"Is Greek manuscript of John 1:1 proof of Trinity?"
This topic exposes what is hidden...

Hairyrapunzel, Anti-JW virus done eat up your brain & poison your soul. JWs have amended their procedures to comply with the Laws of the Land & went a step further, their official website( www.jw.org ) educates people about the matter. (Something that U & your ilk can never do). Your mumu brain no fit see & reason on the committed efforts of Jehovah's people to protect the vulnerable & tackle the child abuse menace. No other church or religious body can boast of doing as much as JWs to sensitize the public to check abuse of children. But ,U yourself na to libel & slander U get PhD . Tufia !!!!

Hairyrapunzel:
Come and see na. The truth is bitter and difficult to swallow.


The Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.28-9 gave the following advice regarding accusations of child abuse.

"What Can Elders Do?

If the elders are approached by a member of the congregation who is experiencing flashbacks or repressed memories of child abuse, two of them are usually assigned to help. These elders should kindly encourage the afflicted one to focus for the time being on coping with the emotional distress. The names of any remembered abusers should be kept in strict confidence.

The elders primary task is to act as shepherds. (Isaiah 32:1,2; 1Peter 5:2,3) They should be especially careful to clothe [themselves] with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. (Colossians 3:12) Let them listen in a kindly way and then apply healing words from the Scriptures. (Proverbs 12:18) Some who are afflicted with painful memories have expressed appreciation for elders who make regular visits or even telephone calls to check to see how they are doing. Such contacts need not take a lot of time, but they show that Jehovah's organization cares. When the afflicted one realizes that his Christian brothers truly love him, he may be helped to recover a considerable degree of emotional balance.

What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way . And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. [/b]The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19) [b]Even if more than one person remembers abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such memories are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.

What if the one accused though denying the wrong doing is really guilty? Does he get away with it, as it were? Certainly not! The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovah's hands. The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men their sins also become manifest later. (1Timothy 5:24; Romans 12:19; 14:12) The book of Proverbs says: The expectation of the righteous ones is a rejoicing, but the very hope of the wicked ones will perish. When a wicked man dies, his hope perishes. (Proverbs 10:28; 11:7) Ultimately, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus render everlasting judgment in justice. 1 Corinthians 4:5."

Where did the bible outline treatment given to pedophilles and rapists? only in watchtower magazines.

SERIAL LIAR ,U dey come here dey copy & paste wetin U done distort from 1995 watchtower. How many years ago be that? When did the UK,US Govts etc amend their Laws on this issue?
The JW working policy in the "JW Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection" makes mockery of the lies & falsehood that your toxic scum filled heart & deluded brain has conjured.. Gbawa oso sie eba puo !!!!!!!

Hairyrapunzel:
give me a bible passage where there was a centralized government/leader in the Bible

SERIAL LIAR, so soon have your deluded brain deceived U to forget U quoted & pasted the full texts of Acts2:42-47 on this NL, ?
Is something not wrong with U ? Kai !!!!!! (Nairalanders , "are U seeing what I am saw" in the voice of chief zebrudaya).

Hairyrapunzel:
Your mumu two witness rule is still there. In rape and pedophillia cases the victim needs a second witness of that one episode to testify in their favour.
I can't take watchtower to court. People are already taking them there and watchtower has started paying compensation money.

"Your mumu two witness rule" is a fabrication of your evil,scum filled heart. Your toxic filth of bigotry, delusion & psychosis have eaten deep & messed up your mind so much that U can never distinguish reality & fantasy.. (sotay U dey fantasize how them judge statutory rape cases & cover it up. U see your life !!!!)
True,true, since JWs expelled U long ago, they have moved far forward beyond the level wey your deluded ,scum filled heart dey reason.
The JWs are humble & law abiding to reform their procedures to conform with the Laws of the Land.
"The JW Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection" ,as their working policy, has already addressed any perceived shortcomings that may arise.
Offspring of vipers can't hide their satanic agenda. Jehovah pass all of una
SERIAL LIARS & shameless IBERIBE, I'm done with U !

Hairyrapunzel:
Your mumu two witness rule is still there. In rape and pedophillia cases the victim needs a second witness of that one episode to testify in their favour.
I can't take watchtower to court. People are already taking them there and watchtower has started paying compensation money.

"Your mumu two witness rule" is a fabrication of your evil,scum filled heart. Your toxic filth of bigotry, delusion & psychosis have eaten deep & messed up your mind so much that U can never distinguish reality & fantasy.. (sotay U dey fantasize how them judge statutory rape cases & cover it up. U see your life !!!!)
True,true, since JWs expelled U long ago, they have moved far forward beyond the level wey your deluded ,scum filled heart dey reason.
The JWs are humble & law abiding to reform their procedures to conform with the Laws of the Land.
"The JW Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection" ,as their working policy, has already addressed any perceived shortcomings that may arise.
SERIAL LIAR & shameless IBERIBE, I'm done with U.

Hairyrapunzel:
Your Shepherd the flock book said if the sexual predator denies abusing the child sexually, they should leave the case in Jehovah's hands. You guys hide pedophilles and rapists. Your man made policies support these crimes.

BTW, between mortal man & God ,who sees the hearts of men, who is a righteous judge?
SERIAL LIAR, since u claim to have the proof of their crimes, as U mumu reach u still no know the road to Court? If your head really correct, I challenge U to take them to Court, (that's what a sane person would do) ,else, all these your cut & paste is nothing but libel & defamation. Na that kain vice U dey get level gidigba...

@Hairyranpunzel: U just can't hide the toxic filth in your evil heart to the extent that U make libelous charges U copy & paste but can never prove. Since for your IBERIBE mind, U done know all the offences wey JW done do,U no know road to Court make U slam your million naira suit? Your mumu dey smell.
Govt amended the Laws to adequately address these issues & JWs have done the same & it is in the public domain. Make eee dey pain U well well ! Sad to say that the canker worm in U have eaten up the faintest trace of your humanity . Indeed, U are very gross! Kai !!!!!!

Any JW who molests a child & it was discovered, JW have always imposed severe sanctions & even excommunicated them. Besides, these incidents which led to the legal suits occurred very long ago, at a time the Law did not properly address these issues. In the same vein, it is only. rcently that the world & Society (including JWs) in general has had greater understanding & awareness about issues of child abuse (How many years ago did the US ,UK & even 9ja enacted the Law on Statutory Rape & related issues? Check am & see for yourselves...)
JWs have always complied with them even as these Laws varies from from place to place.
But for una wicked heart, that's a cover up.
How many of una Daddy G.O serial rapists & adulterous pastorpreneurs who rape young girls & sleep with married & single church women have U ever reported to the Police let alone impose severe sanctions on them?
But una wan get High BP on top the lies & falsehood your evil minds conceive about JW.. Indeed no other faith based group or religious body ,can match the relentless efforts of JWs (all u haters of JW , i challenge U to name your church book or published works on child sexual abuse ) to raise awareness & educate the Society about child abuse like the JW have done in their publications (especially the Awake! Magazine, or go to jw.org ,type in "child sexual abuse" on the search column & see the extensive materials to educate everyone on this subject ) which are very accessible to the public is an overwhelming proof that JWs are very transparent & committed to tackle the issue.

Thank U for your sophistry. Is birthday celebration part of the footsteps that Jesus your master left for U to follow? 1pet2:21. Abraham, David, Jesus & his apostles & 1st century Christians never did it. So whose example are U copying? 1 Cor11:1.
Secular history revealed that birthdays celebrations are rooted in paganism. So,what fellowship does light have with darkness? 2Cor 6:14-18.
Come to think of it , God's word the Bible portrayed birthdays in a negative way just as drunkenness is negatively portrayed. That's solid proof that God hates celebration of birthdays (Gen40:20, Mark6:21-28. Prov23:20,21,29,30.Isaiah 5:20-22.)
OP, when U pick candy from the refuse dump & change its wrap covering, does it make the candy clean for consumption? God's word condemned any attempt to blend paganism with Christianity. Galatians 4:8-11.
Marriage & wedding anniversaries is OK. God originated marriage Matt19:3-6. Gen2:18-25. Honeymoon began with Adam & Eve. Eccl9:9, Prov5:18, Deut24:5

Hairyrapunzel:
Why would any sensible person use a biased source to make his or her research?
You think watchtower organization will put up those child molestation cases they accused them of hiding when they don't want their followers to know they are being sued? Think again

Well, we will always make use of unbiased sources.

JWs everywhere are aware of these legal cases. We won many of them &some others are still pending.
Every sensible & normal person would hear from both sides before they make up their mind but as for U its very easy to see that something is missing upstairs......
Indeed U your IBERIBEISM. is obvious to the world . Hence U come to a public forum to play God to judge & condemn JWs on issues that. the Court of law has yet to pass judgement.
Any one who lives by what he Hates is indeed a sick man. Abegi, pls proceed to Yaba or Uselu to see a shrink for thorough examination.

"Theres non as sick as a man who lives by what he hates" (copied)
Some people no fit know say dem run mental on top JW matter.
....

sassysure:
Even though I'm not a member any more, an elder was excommunicated for sex offense and what I don't know is if he was taking to court but everybody knows he wasn't a member of jw again after complaints were laid against him.

I have my issue with them but they don't deal kindly with such people. A lecturer then in school publicly dis associated himself from his wayward son who was caught stealing inside campus and told the authorities to deal with him as deemed fit hence the guy has refused to change. He was actually used as example for parents to emulate cos it's very hard to see such act coming from parents.
All organisations are made up of humans who are not perfect, the extortion going on in pentecostal churches are wickedness in its own. The type of prayers we hear everyday from pentecostal churches makes u think if there is love out there anymore.
So as u try to remove the speck in another's eye, do check us first.

Thank U for your observations. These frivolous allegations exposes what lies in the hearts of the OP & his ilk. Their rants & noises are like water poured inside a basket.. JWs have never claimed to be perfect. Yet, everywhere honest hearted people acknowledge they try to do what's right. All these well publicized news reports of Daddy GOs & pastorpreneurs licentious & adulterous liaisons ,how many of them have been publicly sanctioned or disciplined ? The OP & his ilk turn blind But them done get psychosis forJW matter.

Some claimed that JW paid millions of dollars in law suits. (deliberate falsehood & distortion of facts).
The "Jehovah's Witness Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection" is very accessible. & available for download. Visit www.jw.org .
Or type in. "child molestation" in the search column of the JW official website & see for yourselves.
Your distortion of facts & outright falsehood to malign Jehovah's name will never succeed. Shalom.

@Hairyrapunzel: SERIAL LIAR, your distortion of facts & outright falsehood on this forum is legendary. The only thing U sabi na to copy & paste gabbage.

@rottennaija, in your own words "it is about child abuse how they deny it & cover it up... their policies allow pedophiles to molest witness children..." blah blah blah..
When the Watchtower Society take U to Court for libel & defamation ,all these frivolous & baseless allegations U guys copy & paste,can U prove it?
Personally, am fully. aware that what u paste here are half truths & distortion of facts.
Be careful !!

@rottennaija, in your own words "it is about child abuse how they deny it & cover it up... their policies allow pedophiles to molest witness children..." blah blah blah..
When the Watchtower Society take U to Court for libel & defamation ,all these frivolous & baseless allegations U guys copy & paste,can U prove it?

Hairyrapunzel:
See this sick man that says it is better to keep and hide pedophilles and rapists in the family than reporting them to police.
See this man whose wish/dream is to see 8 billion people die because they chose not to believe what some old men in new York who call themselves governing body say about the bible.

See someone that says after these 8 billion are slaughtered by their jehovah, 8 million jws will inherit earth.
See what's on a human being's mind

U wan come display your IBERIBEISM for here?
SERIAL LIAR,keep off !!!!

OneJ:
Asalimpo ,pls keep spitting out the TRASH in your system &misleading others on NL. God's word the Bible will expose your lies.
In your own words "salvation is a spiritual thing. If U believe & confess U are in." In other words, U believe U go pass exam but kwantinu to sleep & play until u enter exam hall . Don't worry ,God go do miracle 4u ! (That's ,adulteration of truth.) God's word the Bible (alias watchtower gospel) taught me that faith without deeds is useless (equals to zero).. James 2:20-26. Matt24:13.

Asalimpo,I responded to one of out of your multifarious points. Pls, is my post too hard for U to understand? Pls read the above & respond. Shalom

asalimpo:
You love beating around the bush- please pick a point and critique it using the scriptures- your opinion doesnt matter and is unnecessary.
Only the word of God matters.
Otherwise you are just blowing hot air and spewing thrash.
I've made my points using the bible, resorted to the greek original manuscripts etc.
Start with what God's plan for salvation is.
And how God executed it and how every man can be saved.

What u posted above is an obvious proof that your ability for comprehension is very poor. Did I type my post in French or Arabic?

asalimpo:
You need to look into your bible without the lens of indoctrination from Watch tower.
Any one reading the bible will see that by right division of truth, any error can be exposed and avoided.
The bible says the composition of a human is tripartite- spirit,soul and body . That's a verse in the bible,not early christian mysticism.
Many scriptures allude to this and say it clearly. You either accept the scripture as the truth or reject it,in which case you choose to believe a lie. And dont get me started on the greek is corrupted-that's nonsense.

You are a spirit and you live in a body
James 2 v 26 "... as the body without the spirit is dead ... "
Do you want to argue with that?
It is your spirit that get's recreated when you get born again.
2 Corinthians 5 v 17 : " ... if any man be in Christ he is a new creature: old things are passed away ... "

The bible is clear that a component of man become new? Is the bible lying?
So which component?
Hebrews 12 v 23 - talks of " ... the spirits of just men made perfect "
What part of just men? their spirits?
Again Paul makes a distinction between the human spirit and the human body.
He calls the spirit a building and the body a house- why , the body contains the spirit!
Like your cellphone contains your battery.

I'll use the NLT here. i took the words out of my mouth with commentary

2 cor 5 v 1 :
[b]
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

If you are arguing that , note that Jesus referred to his earthly body as a temple:

Mark 14:58
"We heard Him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple, and in three days I will build another that is made without hands.'"


I could go on they are many more.

Jesus spoke of hell.
He said where their worms dont die out.
Is that the grave?
Which worm do you know that never dies out?
Jesus said fear him who can cast body and soul into hell.

Luke 12 v 5:
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him

Jesus says "after the body has been killled" not the distinction between the body and the real you.
How do you throw "you" into hell after the "body has been killed"?
You are a spirit.
And Hell is real- or is Luke12v5 corrupted?

Yes ,it is corrupted. If U know, U know.
According to the Greek manuscript ,in Luke 12:5, the correct word there is Gehenna, (in Hebrew, Gehinnom), not hellfire. Don't get it twisted, Gehenna was never a place of torment
. JWs spend time & effort to study & research the Bible & when they give U guys scriptural truth ,una go vex dey argue blindly.
Guy, U go just dey post anything wey enter your head because U wan defend falsehood. Pls search this topic on NL "Gehenna is NOT hellfire". Make U shine your eyes.
U said "u are a spirit & u live in a body James 2:26 ...." Na. Big LIE !!!!! Was Adam in the spirit realm before God created him on earth ?
U are simply twisting the scriptures.

Asalimpo ,pls keep spitting out the TRASH in your system &misleading others on NL. God's word the Bible will expose your lies.
In your own words "salvation is a spiritual thing. If U believe & confess U are in." In other words, U believe U go pass exam but kwantinu to sleep & play until u enter exam hall . Don't worry ,God go do miracle 4u ! (That's ,adulteration of truth.) God's word the Bible (alias watchtower gospel) taught me that faith without deeds is useless (equals to zero).. James 2:20-26. Matt24:13.

@edu3again: Why u dey dodge to refute the forgeries Ur fellow trinitarians inserted in KJV ? Better still, use your church mind come tell NL the meaning of "mighty" & "Almighty" rather than put up Bible verses U are confused about.
The Father in heaven,the maker of heaven & earth, revealed that Jesus remains the son of God. (matt16:13-17). Between U ,a mere mortal & God in heaven, who is more credible?

asalimpo:
the king james is the most literal TRANSLATION NOT INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. It's so literal that you can rest on it. It does have some errors though but it is reliable, hence, very dependable.
It's like german engineering- some people can swear by german engineering.
Heard some1 talk of the freezer the grand father bought some 60+ years ago, still working!!! Now that's reliable.
When you compare KJV with the greek from which new testament scriptures are derived you see close matching.
Matter of fact, on this debate thing, none of know what we are even saying!!
Do we really?
Were you there when Jesus was crucified?
Were you there when He walked the earth?
Have you seen the original manuscripts on which you bible was translated from?
It's easy for all of to be decieved because we accept whatever we see and google online.
So in a sense we are all susceptible.
We have to walk by faith in all these things.
So we all agree that what we read is the truth.
In a way, we are all deceivable- but must at some point trust that we are acting on the truth.

However, a conspiracy with information that has gone public cannot be carriedout except at great cost-
that's why the King James installed gaurds to put to death any one that even tried to corrupt the kjv- the catholics tried to get to it - but thank God for King James.

The oldest Greek manuscripts (2nd - 5th century). are hard evidence which proves beyond doubt that the KJV rendition of 1Tim3:16, 1John5:7 & John 1:1 are forgeries found in 13th & 16th century manuscripts deployed to translate the KJV. In fact,there is nothing like "close matching" with KJV & the oldest Greek manuscripts.( That explains in part,why so many Bible translations exists in English. )
These are indisputable facts known to Bible scholars & world renowned historians.
But U choose to ignore them because they debunk your lies & make U uncomfortable with the truth. (Pls throw away your ego &pride, take your time to do investigation & research. The tools are readily available. for U )
Shalom.

asalimpo:
In older NWT bibles ,corrupt as they were,they retained some form of caution in the scope of their alterations.
e.g
the rendered that verse in Colossians that says by him were all things made as is but put their opinions in bracket.
The word "other" was in bracket, reading as "by him were all [other] things made ... "
In recent versions, this distinction is removed and the verse is dubiously rendered misleadingly to suit their theology.
It now reads "by Him were all OTHER things made ... "

They bend the bible to their theology and not the other way round!

1 Cor 8:6. & 11:3. Hebrews 1:1-3 exposes your lies & ignorance.
The NWT is very accurate & gives a proper understanding of Colossians 1:15,16. God's word is in concord intoto.
The greatest fraud is that wicked lie that Jesus is God. (Almighty God in heaven revealed to Apostle Peter that Jesus is the son of God, Matt 16:13-17. John20:30,31).
The forgery in 1st John 5:7, John 1:1 & 1tim3:16 can't change it.
Asalimpo, ignorance & deliberate falsehood is a serious affliction.
I command U to receive sense & understanding, IJNA !