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Anyway, gotta go. Have business to attend to.
I'll be back later though.

I will say some hurtful things now. I can afford to say that now.
It really baffles me how Abagworo finds time to suck Ijaw balls and always getting kicked in the teeth, and yet he never stops! It ANGERS the living daylight out of me and I suspect same for many Igbo. Notice that he never finds time to suggest solutions to Igbo problems inside Nigeria.

Abagworo once said that Northern Igbo and Southern Igbo are not the same. Maybe sucking Ijaw balls is what he had in mind when he made that statement, because since I came to this Nairaland, I have NEVER seen any "Northern Igbo" suck Ijaw balls; NEVER.
I am wondering whether Ijaw would be so brazen in their land grab and windy hubris if they shared borders with Anambra or Anioma or Enugu states. I wonder where Ijaw would have found the balls to intimidate and overawe the Onicha, or Aguleri, or Nnewi or Obosi, or Asaba or Ogashi -ukwu. If Ijaw had shared borders with these Igbo groups, the Ijaw would have found out that their only borders in Nigeria is waaaaay inside the sea. Nonsense.
I honestly wish that the Aros had dealt severely with the Ijaw back in the days before Nigeria was formed. It seems they only collaborated and sold slaves with them. Quite sad.

If not for the Dede1's, I would have started to agree with Abagworo that Igbo are not one.

Here's my take on this idea.

The main truth about the relationship between Igbo and Yoruba is that real life interaction between the two groups is not as rancorous as here in Nairaland, and I don't really want to go into the reason behind this dichotomy of behavior online and offline; all I have to say is that the feelings expressed here should be diagnosed.
One thing I know, is that relationship between the two groups is often wounded most by insensitivity of some Yoruba posters to Igbo deaths during the Biafran war.

One can overlook mockery over the deaths of politicians and leaders in coups and the like, but a normal human being would QUARELL SERIOUSLY over mocking of the deaths of innocent children during the war. Igbo are a very forgiving and forward looking people, but the flippancy of some Yoruba posters here often make Igbo look back and vow never to forget or allow a repeat, and in the process the relationship between the two groups sully here, and some take it to real life.

I will continue to repeat this advice to Yoruba posters, PLEASE STOP MOCKING DEAD CHILDREN WHO DIED OF THINGS THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT.
That is the point of the beginning of reconciliation between the two groups here. If you can, please appoint one of your own to police such comments here, because no matter what anybody says, that is the ONLY trigger of hate and suspicious between the two groups here.

I wish all Yorubas whatever they are wishing Igboland in 2013.

Happy new year to all Nigerians.

ODUA_NEGRO: lmao! . is Seun from Owu?

Actually I think his real father is from Nnewi.

Congrats Afam!
You are a GREAT appointment for this section. I implore you to perform superlatively like Richy_Black, arguably the greatest Mod of this section.
Cheta na i bu nwa afo (very important).

I expect from you (as nwa afo):

IMPARTIALITY TO ALL
JUSTICE TO ALL
FAIRNESS TO ALL
RESOLUTENESS
FORTHRIGHTNESS
FOCUS
EXCELLENCE

Ban anyone who commits a "banable" offense, (including moi). Warn first of course, but do what is right, ALWAYS.
Jisie ike nwanne.

afam4eva: Thanks.

Congrats Afam.
This appointment tells me that we all own Nairaland, not just Yorubas.
I expect the best from you because you are nwa afo.
My candid advice to you is this: go back in time, and take a close look at the works of Richyblack in this section. He remains the greatest Mod this section has ever seen, and you shall surely excel.
Jisie ike nwanne.

@Seun, GREAT appointment.

@ndu_chucks and alj-harem (particularly alj-harem), calm down boys. This section is now balanced.

Charles Chukwuma Soludo:

He is a very intelligent, ambitious, visionary and TRAINED economist. He can diagnose Anambra's economic (hence social) problems in a wink.
He can (as proven by some of his achievements at CBN, which was only pulled down by the Nigerian presidential fiat) what he could do. While at CBN, he discovered that his best intentions were futile as long as he was not the president (who had the executive powers to do and undo in Nigeria). That was when he decided to go to the source of the problem -the executive branch of the Nigerian system.
Soludo has everything needed to create an oasis of wealth and advancement in the Light of the Nation.
No leader can succeed superlatively without a superlative vision. In Soludo's case, he has the vision and the training to overdeliver.
He weakness? He is in PDP, and Anambrarians HATE PDP with a certain passion.
He should run under a different party if he is serious about winning in Anambra state.

He is MY candidate.

afam4eva: How does the thread topic depict a discussion about Peter Obi's tenure? #justcurious

There is already some altercations between the incumbent governor's camp and that of others on this very thread, and NONE of it adds value to finding the NEXT BEST governor. IF we continue in the path you are headed, we may end up delivering a verdict on Peter Obi, while forgetting the next governor entirely.
I may be tempted to open another thread to discuss the NEXT governor of Anambra state, not the outgoing one.

Onye oku na agba be ya adiro achu oke.

Here's my take on Ngige:

He is an intelligent, action oriented and politically savvy man.
He achieved at least ONE thing in office --> Road construction.
I have a feeling that if he had continued in office, we may or may NOT have continued his path; we would NEVER know.
But Ndigbo say that "a na esi na isi ahuru ama uto nsi" (you can normally guess how poo would taste just from the smell of the fart)! lol.

Ngige is not a man without flaws or personal foibles on his character. He basically is a man who would do things ONLY HIS OWN WAY. That attribute is good and bad.
It is good if he chooses (while in office) to do the right thing. However, it is bad if he chooses to do the wrong thing. He would be the type that would be NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to remove if he is doing bad. He is a VERY STUBBORN man. Ngige is BY FAR the most stubborn gubernatorial candidate I know in Anambra state. So, if he performs badly in the first term, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to remove him (a la Ohakim) in second term elections.
The final proof of this is that he has rejected the POPULAR advise to leave ACN. Ngige is smart enough to understand how ACN is viewed in the East; yet he remains there.
What that tells me is that he is even looking down on Anambrarians who he would rule. He believes that he can lead Ndigbo to the devil, simply because he built roads in Anambra state. If Ngige leaves ACN today and joins some obscure party, he would likely win; but his insistence on remaining in ACN would likely cost him dearly, because Anambra citizens have a way of stopping unwanted political groups. Ask PDP.
Because Ngige refuses to leave ACN, I have an uncomfortable feeling that he may be planning to bring ACN-style politics (thugs, murder, arson etc) to Anambra state; maybe that is the play he plans to face the Uba brothers and others like them in Anambra state. We don't want that type of politics in Anambra state. We are too smart for that.
So, either Ngige leaves ACN, or we would likely continue to reject him at the polls, one way or another.

afam4eva: What's the future without the present? How does mentioning Peter Obi affect the purpose of this thread?

Okay, here is what I think bro.

Did you open this thread to discuss Peter Obi's tenure and achievement in office?
If the answer is yes, why not change the topic to reflect it? I normally comment based on the TOPIC of a thread.

BTW, if you really want to do justice to the TOPIC of the thread, you would remove ANY thing that would bug down the thread between camps of the incumbent governor and prospective one.

You can change the topic, or open another one to discuss Peter Obi's tenure.
I'm really trying to help rescue an otherwise great thread.

afam4eva: You can't talk about the future without talking of the present. Peter Obi is still the governor Anambra state as it is and we have to relate his performance in office with the CV and prospective achiements of the incoming governor.

Will he contest in 2014?
Unless your answer is yes, you are not making sense bro.

I fell off my chair reading through some of names being put forward on this thread. Nna so some of our people have not had enough of charlatans, thieves and turn-coats?
It seems some folks just want to impose their uncles on the rest of us.
It cannot happen in the LIGHT of the Nation.

I sometimes wonder how some Nigerians think, honestly. I am beginning to believe that there is a pervasive mental sickness in Nigeria.
Just take a look at the topic of this thread, and then you start wondering why anyone would EVER start discussing an outgoing governor instead of a prospective (in-coming) one.

Unless Peter Obi is going for a third term, he is NOT supposed to come up AT ALL in this thread.
Odikwa egwu!

@Topic, I shall discuss each according to my own understanding. Please let's stick to the topic.

An Igbo person will become Nigeria's president the very day other Nigerians accept that we are Nigerians. We don't need to raise a finger or do anything to achieve that. It is NOT in our hands. It is in the hands of those still debating our Nigerianness. The day they finish debating themselves, one of two things will happen: (1) We (Igbo) produce a Nigerian president; or (2) They agree to allow us secede from Nigeria.

@OP,

Achebe rejected Nigerian national honors, TWICE; so what can I say than to agree. lol
He, like many of us, are victims of what I call "arrested citizenship", ie, being forced to be a Nigerian against your will.
I bet you that if Achebe's hometown of Ogidi, or even his own compound in Ogidi were to be declared independent of Nigeria, the man would likely happily leave you alone.
Most of you people rejected us first, and then turn around to accuse us of being Biafrans. Hyprocrisy of the worst kind.
I won't bother to read the concluding part of your dishonest drivel.

My Candidate --> CHARLES CHUKWUMA SOLUDO: the man with the vision, intelligence, and drive to create a 21 century space in Africa.
He would make a GREAT Nigerian PRESIDENT though; but I can accept to let him start at state levels first.

Soludo, the solution.

Sun of god: Soludo - Very Arrogant; Failed last time after being heavily backed finacially.

Ngige - No way under the ACN banner.(He stands more chance under PPA)

Dora - Anambra wouldn't elect a female governor

Andy Uba - Dark Horse; Depends if he at peace with his brothers who are also 'Dark Characters'.

Ifeanyi Ubah - Shot down before the start; No subsidy money to splash around.

You seem to be secretly supporting this "dark" horse.
You forget something though. . . Anambra state is the LIGHT of the nation.
Remember that darkness and light NEVER mix.

The more I think about this, the more it doesn't add up.
Okay, think of it this way. Each community will develop and manage its own health centers according to available human and material resources in the community.
There is NO WAY to get a uniform standard in these health care centres. Richer towns will have higher quality healthcare. The problem is that in the absence of state funding, it would be difficult to enforce common standards; unless of course, the whole thing is treated as purely private investment, which I suspect they will be at the end.

Nna o dikwa egwu o.

Richfella: Careless words and unguarded opinions are potentially very dangerous too, perhaps more so than actual physical violence.

I am Igbo and have not read Achebe's book, but if he actually did write some of the things attributed to him, then he deserves a permanent placement in the Hall of Shame - year in, year out.

"It is even more damaging for a minister to say foolish things than to do them". ---------- Cardinal De Retz.

After the bolded words, I concluded that only the MOST FOOLISH Igbo would even have an opinion either way.
BTW only non-Igbos always begin controversial statements by claiming to be one.

Hmm, maybe this site may be rescued and restored to what it used to be when I joined. At that time, there were MANY GREAT posters; posters who I could guess from their posts that they must have at least Masters degree level of education. Now they are all gone, thanks to awful behaviours by some of the Mods here.

I like both Mods, but I think it is time for a progressive change. If my words are worth anything here, I would advise that the new Mods should not be from any of the three big tribes in Nigeria. I would prefer someone from South South or middle belt.
Just my honest opinion.

@Seun, a man called Mike Myers said that a man's destiny is shaped by the choices he makes in the types of people he chooses to honor. By choosing to honor Achebe, you will tap into some of his greatness. FACT.

I see a pattern here, and I smell a rat.
What is Anambra state government doing with all the monies that come into state coffers if commununities, churches et al are the bodies running schools and healthcare services? It is an indirect way of offloading state responsibilities. Isn't this an indirect way of privatizing these public services?
I am a little concerned about Peter Obi's mad rush to unbridled capitalism. I am a capitalist with a sense of "together we rise and fall"; therefore a believer in collective responsibility secured by continued management/funding of critical infrastructure by STATE government.

O buru na ego Anambra state agwugo, biko Peter Obi gwa anyi ka anyi juo ajuju maka ya.

Meanwhile, fingers crossed.

Great move GEJ!
This move should snowball other moves to localize the economy of production in Nigeria, and in doing so frontally confront job creation.
I know there is a political gain too there, but I would always welcome political gains attached to REAL national development strategy.
What is killing Nigeria is the inability of politicians to tie their interests (in getting votes) to the broader national interest( in creating jobs etc).
Any engineer from any part of Nigeria can secure a job at Innoson if he/she is good. Other vehicle manufacturing plants can also spring up. The business is not for the faint of heart though, but Innoson has set a good example.
Because of this latest move, I say again JONA NA AWA MAN.

It is always very self evident that majority of Yoruba are incapable of objectivity, or able to rise about tribal envy and recidivism.
Just take a look at this thread, the only Northerner that commented on it (haka_nai) was able to rise above tribal sentiment to make a more balanced post; but check out comments by Yoruba posters.
I don't blame those who believe that Yorubas are Nigeria's arch problem.

haka_nai: Very good move from the presidency/FGN.It would help solve employment issues and technology transfer. Atleast we have several Auto companies in Nigeria. we have Innosun Anambra,PAN kaduna,Anamco Enugu and Volks wagen Lagos. because alot of them were gradually fading away. With this they would revive them and employ more staff.Also the Toyota,Honda,Kia and Hyundai car manufacturers that refuse to base in Nigeria would be considering the need to compete by setting up plants in Nigeria.

This is the most objective view I have read on this thread.

Ileke-IdI:
There is nothing political about "there is no love in ibhoeland".

That's the right section for it.

Do you Yoruba women ever get tired of following me around? I am sorry, I am a MONOGAMIST, and I am very MARRIED.

401kk: Onlytruth, I urge you read Elechi Amadi's "The Concubine". It will enrich your perspectives and views concerning marriage and relationships in Igboland.

Let me get this straight.
You want me ( a thoroughbred Nnewi man) to take a cue from Elechi Amadi's work of fiction to direct my thoughts? You want me to take a cue (even if not from his work of fiction), from a man at war with himself? I will do that after Amadi has undone the damage he did to Igbo mindset.
Nonsense and ingredients!

With hindsight now, I probably shouldn't have even started this thread, because few seem to want to discuss the point I am trying to make, a very simple point indeed -a western style marriage is built primarily on love, and dissolves when love dies; an Igbo marriage is NOT primarily built on love. I never said anyone married anyone they were never attracted to physically (duh!), just that they had CHILDREN in mind when they married, and the marriage failed, or at aleast considered unfulfilled if CHILDLESS, and often augmented by marrying a second or third wife. A total divorce whereby a man sent his wife away was only caused by issues of life and death, not by lack of love; in Nnewi Igbo. I make the point of localizing this to my town because that is the one I know more about, and it is Igbo.

Pazienza is the only person that even understands the most basic of the point I am making, though he inserts religion to it. It is my personal opinion that there is no religious basis to the "western style marriage". I have looked at the Bible for this but found NONE. The marriage practiced by the Israelites in the bible is not the same as western style marriage. That is why Jacob had to serve Leban his uncle for 14 years just to enable him marry Rachel. It was a bride price. What we have is a European marriage culture which has been inserted into Christianity. Just as Christmas day (December 25) is not the actual date of Jesus' birth, the same happened to what is called Christian marriage today. It goes deeper too, and there may never be a complete agreement among Bible scholars concerning this topic too. I did not want to discuss spiritual angles or religious or even scientific angles to it. I only wanted to discuss the legal (read politically enforceable) issues going by CONCRETE FACTS.

Since it appears that we cannot discuss this in the politics section where it belongs, I may go ahead to delete and unfollow the original post.
Thread has been killed by the Mods, and I suspect it is out of jealousy against Igbo ways of dealing with world problems.
This forum site has been reduced to a place for kinders and I will stop contributing meaningful posts to it henceforth.

Dear Mods,

Please return this topic to the politics section.

https://www.nairaland.com/1134445/perspective-same-sex-marriage/1#13427432

The only reason I started it at all was to discuss the political perspectives/action that may need to be taken to address the issue. At the end, it must be solved POLITICALLY, not culturally, because we don't practice a theocracy or a traditional African poltical system.
None of us is comfortable even touching the topic. It took some courage to even bring it up for discussion, knowing how our people think, and knowing how vexed the topic is to we Africans, particularly Nigerians. I have already appealed to those derailing that thread to cease and desist. The topic belongs here. Thanks.

I am not happy that this thread has been derailed by people who did not understand the point I am trying to make with it. Some did understand, but they took it too far and started discussing religious, spiritual and scientific rationale of this issue. I had a reason for starting this in the politics section -the issue I want to discuss is the legal rights of the same sex couples. I believe that every person who is familiar at all with me here would know that I am a STRONG Christian; BUT I am setting my faith aside just to look at what POLITICAL response to this issue should be, going by FACTS facing us.
I would ask the Mods to return it to politics section. Meanwhile I appeal to all to cease discussing religious angles of this issue. I settled it by saying that if there is (or was) a church of Igboland, the issue would NEVER even arise.
Thank you all in advance.

I had to add some words to the original post to ensure that no one misunderstands me, except of course those who cannot (for whatever reason) understand me.
I'll be back later.

TRUTHTELA: OP, this is IGNORANCE in the highest order. I don't think you're Igbo, an Igbo man will not write this GARBAGE about the Igbo culture. If you happen to be Igbo, write about MARRIAGE based on your personal family EXPERIENCES, and not for Igbo people. Do you know the meaning of "IHUNANYA" in Igbo?? If you do, your IGNORANT brain will restrict you from saying that Igbo's don't marry out of love.

In addition, you & that EVIL HOMOSEXUALITY has no place in HUMAN HISTORY. It's an ABOMINATION to every CULTURE and RELIGION, from the WEST, to ASIA, up to the MIDDLE-EAST and down to AFRICA, HOMOSEXUALITY is an EVIL & will NEVER survive. Even the animals that make LOVE in public ( chicken &dogs,etc)the sleep their OPPOSITE SEX.

My friend how old are you?
Did you even read the opening argument? I don't have time for kids please.

fellis: Is there usually any stigma attached to women who do things like this? Are they regarded as maybe wayward wives or bad mothers who did not have their children's interest at heart? I would imagine that the woman would not be spoken well of due to the fact that it was likely she had been keeping her new husband as a secret lover while she was still married to her husband.


Thank God this one is also dying off.
Also, I wanted to ask; what is the origin of creation according to Igbo beliefs? How was the earth brought about and how did the gods come to be? Sorry for derailing, you just appear to be very knowledgeable about Igbo culture that is why I am asking you.


Because homosexuality is abnormal and we don't want to encourage abnormal behaviour. We only want to correct or at least tolerate it.

@First bolded: I understand that as a woman you would want the institution of marriage to favor you, hehe , but please try to detach your personal interest from it. Believe it or not, I have not inserted mine, and I will not do that. All I'm doing here is laying down the facts and allowing the facts to speak for themselves.
I do not agree that the culture whereby the man owns the children, is dead in Igboland, NOT BY A LONG SHOT. In Igboland, the children belong to the man, provided he paid the bride price ab initio. BTW we still pay the bride price today, even if as a mere token; nevertheless, it is performed. Such are some of the most recognized and enforceable law under customary law, which is the FIRST LEVEL of jurisprudence in Nigeria. If you skip the customary courts (in issues of marriages performed under customary laws -performed under "Igba nkwu and ime ego" practices) the higher courts will send you back to the customary courts for adjudication. However, please let's not turn this thread into a debate about which marriage culture is better.

@Second bolded: This debate is about whether same sex marriage prohibition is discriminatory under the ambient (read western style) marriage culture.
The answer, IMHO is yes it is discriminatory to deny same sex couples the rights enjoyed by their peers in heterosexual marriages in that culture. I have made my points above. Make yours.