₦airaland Forum

joeyfire:
Once we have a rail line that circumnavigates Onitsha-Owerri-Aba-Abakaliki-Enugu it's game over

I thought it will be game over if we have a seaport in Port-Harcourt, Calabar and Warri?

Idiko1:
The above is a pure rubbish. If a war breaks out, captured areas can be annexed. There was nothing such as West Bank in 1947. The area was known as part of Judea and Samaria. Arab legionnaires led by British commanders captured the place in 1948 from young and new Israeli country. The west in the bank denotes west of River Jordan. Since the Arabs know the implication of returning the name to its original format continued with West bank, a thing usually not in line with Arabs. If the Israelis had the same mindset as the Arabs, the issue of Gaza and West Bank would have long be settled because these goofy Arabs would have been driven into Egypt and Jordan which were their original places of abode.

P
This is true but not the whole truth.


1) Judea and Samaria are recent Israeli names (based on ancient Israelite names) for the area.

The whole area were parts of the Ottoman Pronvince of Syria-Palestine.

2) After the defeat of Ottoman Empire and the Axis Power in the WW-1, the League of Nations (Precursor of the United Nations) was given the mandate to administer the former Ottoman Territories and it divided it into British Mandate and French Mandate.

2) By 1948, the UN Mandate of Palestine was divided into Isreal and Arab areas. The Arabs rejected the partitions, instead insisting on being given the whole of Palestine.

The Jews accepted the portion and proclaimed the Jewish State of Israel on their portion.

3) The next day, the surrounding Arab countries invaded the newly created State of Israel. The Arab Kingdom of Transjordan crossed River Jordan and captured the west Bank of the River, annexing it into the Kingdom and granted citizenship to the Palestinians in the area.
Syria captured the Golan Heights and Egypt captured Gaza Strip.
4) In the 1967 Arab-Isreali 6-Day war, Isreal recaptured all these areas and went further to capture the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt.

In all of these, we should note that ;

* Israel has returned the captured territories.
* The annexation of the West Bank by Jordan was not from a sovereign country.
It had since been
reversed in 1969 and the Palestinians expelled from Jordan.

OfoIgbo:
Trying to discredit the most neutral observers. Of course they were slave traders. Was Adaka Boro not a genocidist? Was DIette Spiff not a criminal of the highest order that helped expropriate legally-acquired properties of the Igbos? But you want me to believe Alagoa's concocted tales that he keeps changing whenever he feels he is on shaky ground.

Ancient people have already established the ownership of Obane/Ubani/Bonny. Ijaws were just migrant porters in Ubani. Igbos are the real owners which is why the ruling class and the vast majority of its inhabitants are Igbo-speaking, and genetically Igbo.

One important thing you still don't understand is that ethnic identities are SELF IDENTITIES and even change with time.

People define who they are and who they want to be NOT who others wish or expect them to be.


If The people of Opobo and Ibani want to be seen as Igbos, they would have expressed this identity and no body can change it.
Ngwa and Ezza peoples today identify as Igbos Because they want to be identified as such. Nobody is now debating whether Aba is Igbo or not despite the fact that Aba, like other Ngwa towns have Ibibio heritage.

Today nobody is debating whether Kishi is a Yoruba town or not despite the fact that the Royal house in that town is of Bariba origin.


Let the people of Opobo and Ibani chose who they want to be. For now, they express an Ijaw identity than an igbo identity.

If colonialism didn't occur, by now the peoples of Rivers, Imo, Abia, parts of Akwa-Ibom and C/River would have fused into one super ethnic group.

OfoIgbo:
We also ran away from places like Nsukka and Enugu. That doesn't make them less Igbos though

No sir, there was never a time that there were no Igbos in Enugu and Nnsuka.
The Biafran soldiers may run away but there were igbo people living all over Enugu, Nsukka, Mbaise, Okigwe, Aba, Isiala-Ngwa etc.

OfoIgbo:
Those books were written before our grandads were born, and by neutral observers. It is more objective than books written by any Igbo or Ijaw man.

They books also bypassed the shenanigans of landgrabbers and expansionists

Territories of Countries aren't established just by a traveling narrative of a foreign slave merchant.

You need to know that nobody brought any land from heaven. The lands that a people presently inhabit is the land they are able to posses. This is what Israel and her Arab neighbours have come to understand that no side can push the other side out and both have rights to exist.

In modern international politics, it's no longer acceptable to try to possess a territory by conquering the present inhabitants of the Territories and annex their lands.

Islayer3:
What is your stake here? You are only here to foment trouble.


Yoruba people are a curse on Africa.

This is a PUBLIC FORUM and not a Biafra or Secret Society Forum, so anybody can comments on the topics being discussed.
Get used to it, this is how democracy works!

Captain8:
hahahaha....my land must be biafra by fire, by force..wow!
but let me asked, which tribe is even heading that biafra course sef?

The number-1 question which IPOB fail to answer is ' Which territories exactly consistute Biafra'?

Many young Igbo irredentists take Biafra to be the old Eastern Region which was made up of many different tribes.

Kinematics:
Ipig miscreants and attachee by force So everyone in Rivers is Ibo including Abua/Odual, Engenni, Kalabari, Okrika, Bonny, Andoni and Opobo are all Ibos besides Ogoni



Ndi potopoto abeg wetin dey inside una brain?

These IPOB guys like to display a dangerous blend of crude ignorance and arrogance.


One of them is busy posting a travel narrative of a 19th century European slave merchant as his evidence that all the coastal towns in the Niger-Delta are owned by igbos!

Captain8:
we are not in any biafra territory oo....

Your lands must be Biafra by force!

cheruv:
Onye mgbu...
Just carry your painment comot my side
We're marching... For all our territories

Why did you run away from all these 'your coastal territories' between 1967-1970 to Owerri, Abakaliki, Orji Rivers and other places where you considered truly your homes?

Liebermantic:
Many Ibibio-Annang groups supported BIAFRA because of Ethnic and Cultural similarities shared between Igbo and Ibibio.
I want you to know this now, Opobo and Bonny will be subject to international court for determination of the true owners of the place according to written History of both towns..We are waiting for the disintegration of Nigeria along Ethnic lines or restructuring along Ethnicity

When do you think that Nigeria will disintegrate and this will be along ethnic lines?

cheruv:
Are you minding them
All the so called Ijo groups in Rivers State are just Igbo tribes masquerading as Ijo due to the current igbophobia pervading the Nigerian state
Karabarị
Okirika
Ụbanị

These tribes would still return to their Igbo roots someday... The only non Igbo group in Rivers State are the Ogoni

Hmnnnnn. . .the gods must have revealed this to you!

Omoluabi1stborn:
Which part of Lagos state?

The guy behind the moniker, PrinceOfLagos is an Igbo guy.

You ought to have out grown all these childish banters.



Que Sera Sera (What will be, will be).



Who will be president will be president (it is pre-destined).

iwaeda:
We will give your family land as grazing route to the hersdmen.

How is this related to my post?

I am not faulting his assertion that open grazing is obsolete.

However publicly declaring that open grazing is obsolete doesn't confer superb leadership skills on anyone.

Jostoman:
give him power first and see what he can do with it.

And what did he do with powers as Gov of Sokoto State? His State has the highest poverty rate in Nigeria.

dasparrow:
If it was Mrs Aguiyi-Ironsi that had died 55 years ago before her husband, I would bet my last dime that her husband would have remarried long time ago. The bible says till death do you apart. So once a person's spouse is dead, the surviving spouse can choose to remarry if they so desire. It's so ironic how you hypocrites expect young widows to remain single and alone but you don't expect the same from young men who are widowers. As a matter of fact widowers are encouraged to remarry as soon as possible while young widows are expected to stay alone till they die. Yet, you people discriminate against single ladies who choose a single and celibate life. You don't go calling them "strong women." Some of you are just confused.

Where did I talked about Widow, widower and re-marriage? I think your reply is meant for someone else.

bakar007:
According to oral history passed from one generation of Ijaws from Ogbe-Ijoh to another generation, Warri, a corrupted version of the Ijaw word, "Wari", which means house, was founded by an Ijaw man named Ewein, a great hunter and fisherman.

In 1906, with the rapid growth in trading activities, the British acquired Ogbe-Ijoh village (an Ijaw community) in order to develop it as "whites only" residential area and headquarters of her Warri Province Administration. The people of Ogbe-Ijoh were resettled on the Ogbe-Ijoh market and the British signed a 99years lease with the Ogbe-Ijohs. However, the Ijaws felt humiliated by the forced eviction and the handling of the land acquisition. The then Governor of Benin River, a British political agent who handled the acquisition and ejection of the Ijaws was Chief Doru (Dogho) Numa, an Itsekiri man. The above incident probably marked the beginning of the bad blood between the Ijaws of Warri and the Itsekiris.
So Warri original is different with ijaw and itsekiri version let be clear on that , I asked you previously where is Warri according to you

And again Chief Ayiri crying foul over ogbe ijoh Warri Kingdom in this publication prove the itsekiri mindset of claiming Warri as it own

Read this link

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/12/plan-to-stop-amakosu-of-ogbe-ijoh-warri-kingdom-unlawful-says-nds/amp/

You are answering questions that were never answered.

Ijaws have their territories in Warri and nobody is disputing this but it should be noted that the original Warri was a small Itsekiri town before expanding to the Territories of the Ijaws and Urhobos.


However, if you think that Urhobos and the Ijaws were the original inhabitants of Warri, please list the Ijaw Kings that have reigned in Warri Kingdom before 1952 and Ijaw Traditional rites/Festivals in Warri in Pre-colonial times.


Everybody knows the Ijaw kings (Amanayabo) that reigned in Ibani and Opobo, even in pre-colonial era.

Brandonx:
Why would I kneel before a throne?

As a grand son of an Oba, I have come to understand one thing, power belong to God!


The rulers are 'appointed' by God to maintain law & order in the affairs of men.

Drsnives:
Strong woman.. she remained unmarried for close to 55years after her husband's death
If na our contemporary ladies, the next day self dem don begin recive baptism of dicks

Things have changed. The modern generation have demystified sex and it is now like a casual activity similar to handshakes.

bakar007:
Let's get some things clear

Before 1950 there was nothing like Olu of Warri , we had only Olu of itsekiri ,it was 1952 the Chief Awolowo succumbed to the pressure from itsekiri to elevate the status of the Olu of Itsekiri in par with other traditional rulers. Such as, Olu of Ibadan, Oba of Lagos, Ooni of Ife, Oba of Benin etc., whose titles reflect overlordship over territories. Which the itsekiri tried to use to claim the terrine of ijaws and urbobos but failed .

His town of Warri according to your quote ,where is Warri according to you? Cos Ogbe ijoh,Isaba ,egbama , gharamatu, , Agbassa , Okumagba never changed borders even before the entry of GINUWA the disowned son sent away by the oba of Benin as it was the ijaws who help him resettled into this terrine , he even married an ijaw lady whom he killed before moving from there. Is it possible he came to Warri terrine before the people he met there?

Finally itsekiri have their take on the origin naming of Warri so do ijaws .

Can you please tell the whole world the names and titles of Urhobo and Ijaw Kings that were ruling Warri in 1952.


If Warri were Urhobo and Ijaw Kingdoms before 1952, they would have had their kingds reigning in the city as at 1952.

bakar007:
Let's get some things clear

Before 1950 there was nothing like Olu of Warri , we had only Olu of itsekiri ,it was 1952 the Chief Awolowo succumbed to the pressure from itsekiri to elevate the status of the Olu of Itsekiri in par with other traditional rulers. Such as, Olu of Ibadan, Oba of Lagos, Ooni of Ife, Oba of Benin etc., whose titles reflect overlordship over territories. Which the itsekiri tried to use to claim the terrine of ijaws and urbobos but failed .

His town of Warri according to your quote ,where is Warri according to you? Cos Ogbe ijoh,Isaba ,egbama , gharamatu, , Agbassa , Okumagba never changed borders even before the entry of GINUWA the disowned son sent away by the oba of Benin as it was the ijaws who help him resettled into this terrine , he even married an ijaw lady whom he killed before moving from there. Is it possible he came to Warri terrine before the people he met there?

Finally itsekiri have their take on the origin naming of Warri so do ijaws .

Nooooo, Olu of Warri is a historical title.

The title of every king always State their kingdom e.g Emir of Kano, Dein of Agbor, Amanayabo of Opobo, Obong of Calabar.

Warri is the name of a place while Itsekiri is a name of a tribe.

It was in 1951 that the Western Regional Government temporarily accepted the demands of other tribes in WARRI PROVINCE (not not be confused with Warri Kingdom just as Enugu is not exactly the same as Enugu State or Sokoto exactly the same as Sokoto State) to declare that the king should be addressed as Olu of Itsekiri.



This was however reversed in 1952 in an amicable manner in which both sides reached a compromise; the name of the Province was Changed to a neutral name that accommodate every tribes- DELTA PROVINCE.


Nobody is contesting the ownership or boundaries of Ogbe-Ijo, Isaba, Okumagba and those places. There names have always been their names, though they were in the old Warri Pronvince but not originally parts of Warri Kingdom. The city recently expanded to those areas just as Yaba, Ajegunle, Iponri ,Itire weren't parts of original Lagos Kingdom but are parts of Lagos State.

Today, the city of Onitsha now include Nkpor and almost include Ogidi and many neighbouring villages but they weren't parts of Onitsha in 1952.

obiekunie01:
An afonja bearing the monika "princeoflagos" is accusing a titled Ozo who is even using his Ozo title as his monika of which those who knows the title can easily tell who he is, is being accused by a nobody!

chai! ewu atam igu n'isi! truly Nairaland is like a grave - everybody is equal here! Even Cubana will be insulted by riffraffs like this slowpoke!

Prince of Lagos is an IPOB Jewish-Igbo man. He is an avid anti-Yoruba on this Forum.

bakar007:
No court in Nigeria gave Olu jurisdiction over the terrains of ijaws and urbobos in Warri and no court pronounced itsekiri as owners of Warri .Today we have Pere of Ogbe ijaws Warri Kingdom , clearly we re not fighting with anyone over terrine. Why do itsekiri like giving false picture of Warri to outsiders like they own the terrine?? Itsekiri doesn't own Warri south ,nor south west nor north . Warri south West have ijaws and itsekiri areas ,which ogbe ijoh happen to be the head quarter, Warri north at Koko with ijaws and itsekiri terrine ,and Warri south with itsekiri, urbobos and ijaws . So why trying to paint a false representation of Warri to outsiders.

Why crying wolf where there's none?


The supreme court has ruled that the Olu of Warri is a valid title. QED.


1) Before 1950, the whole of Delta State was known as Warri Pronvince
2) The King of Warri has always been known historically as the Olu of Warri. The full title of kings always specify their domains e.g Obi of Onitsha ( Not Obi of Igbos), Dein of Agbor (not Dein of Ika tribe), Ooni of Ife (not Ooni of Yoruba) etc


3) Urhobos, Ijaws and other tribes petitioned the Western Regional Government that the title of the king is misleading because he wasn't the traditional ruler of all the tribes in Warri Pronvince.

4) The Western Regional Government accepted the compliants of the Ijaws, Urhobos and other tribes and issued an official gazzet that the king should use the title of 'Olu of Itsekiri' in 1951.

5) The Itsekiris felt dissatisfied and wrote their own pettion to higher authorities, the Governor-General of Nigeria in Lagos and copied the British Government in London who referred the matters back to the Western Regional Government to look into it.

6) Awolowo called a meeting of parliamentarians from that area to iron out the matter.
They later took the case to Western Regional Assembly for thorough debates.

7) After much debates into the matter, amicable resolutions accepted by all parties were reached;

a) That the name of the province be changed from Warri Pronvince to Delta Province.

b) That the Olu could revert to his earlier title of Warri (since his reign will only be limited to his town of Warri).

With passage of time, Warri expanded into territories of other tribes. Many neighbouring villages also started calling their areas 'Warri'

bakar007:
Same way Ugborodo people insist they re not part of Olu of itsekiri kingdom right

Oga face reality and stop trying to push itsekiri propaganda, your anti ijaws and urbobos sentiments shows in your writing , in the end itsekiri people remains the only tribe in Delta without an LGA of it own, trying to claim other terrains with a title

The Olu of Warri title is a traditional title and has nothing to do with LGA.


The issues were thoroughly debated and resolved in the Western Regional Assembly in 1952 with amicable solutions acceptable to both sides;

1) That Warri Pronvince (the whole of present Delta State) should be renamed Delta Province, a neutral name that accommodate all tribes in the Pronvince.


2) That the King of Warri can revert back to his historical title, The Olu of Warri. The Western Regional Government ,acting on petitions by Urhobos, Ijaws and other tribes had earlier in 1951 accepted to change the title to Olu of Itsekiri.

However, the Itsekiris cross petitioned to Lagos and the British Government.

bakar007:
Keep telling yourself that , cos the history of Warri from ijaws and urbobos historians proof otherwise.

I hope you know that the Ijaws and Urhobos have taken the Olu of Warri matter to court and they lost at the Apex court?

Kinjikitileking:
Why is the federal government playing polictics with this monarchy ?? Why can't they be sincere to themselves and know about the hierarchy of warri monarchy...
War has been fought about this particular issue ... And instead of correcting this issue they are still pouring fuel on fire..
From the history , I learnt that warri is meant of 3 ethnic groups , itsekiri, ijaw and urhobo(it am not mistaken)
And each has its own jurisdiction and jurisprudence.... Each monarch never trespass it's boundary ... Which am sure up till now is still practiced .... It's quite sure that this new crowned acclaimed Olu of warri can't and can never lead a procession to the other two enthnic domain..... It's sheer hypocricy of him admitting and bearing the nomenclature *olu of warri* when within him he knows he can't lead a procession to the later...

When will this issue be really solved to avoid apple of discord ?? If this self acclaimed monarchy has Nestor!!!! They will kindly advice him to fix this issue in his regime .... History will have it that he liberated the warri kingdom.......
*BTW am from South East*

1) The FG has nothing to do with Issues pertaining to Traditional Rulers, they are handled by the States and LGAs.


2) The original Warri is an Itsekiri Kingdom. Infact,Warri is the Anglicized form of Iwerre.

The city has however expanded into territories of the Isoko and Urhobos who have their own Traditional Rulers. Ijaw territories are also now very close to Warri city.

cheruv:
How'd Karabarị and Okirika be carved to Bayelsa when they're heavily soaked with Igboid elements
The Bayelsa state creation is one area that Zik showed his political acumen, by ensuring that the only Ijo like tribes left in Rivers State are those that are heavily impregnated with Igboid elements.
The Karabarị have been ruled themselves by the Amakịrị dynasty since the 1700s, and the dynasty itself migrated from Igboland whilst the Okirika themselves migrated from Ndọkị land(around that Afam area) and till today speak a creolized form of Ndọkị that has differentiated considerably from the mainstream.

Most people on this forum often fail to understand one very important factor; States in Nigeria are units of administration and NOT necessarily ethnic homelands.


It will be impracticable to create States for each ethnic group because in many areas, especially in the Rain Forests, ethnic groups live in close proximity to each other considerable areas of overlapp.

Idiko1:
The bolded could only come from a stream thought owned by a dumbass fool. The military chain of command does not go through the governor of a region even when the governor is a military man. Honestly, your intellectual capacity does not qualify to partake in this banter.

IPOBians like you think you can win an argument by introducing insults and abuses.


I don't have your time.

Mastakija:
Op na simp jor
E just dey use kayamata cover face

What's Kenyamata?