Culture › Re: Tsola Emiko Explains The Meaning Of "Atuwatse" by oyatz(m): 11:18am On Aug 24, 2021 |
Omoluabi1stborn: Which part of Lagos state? The guy behind the moniker, PrinceOfLagos is an Igbo guy. |
Politics › Re: Why Would Tinubu Bow To His Junior This Way - Photos by oyatz(m): 11:14am On Aug 24, 2021 |
You ought to have out grown all these childish banters.
Que Sera Sera (What will be, will be).
Who will be president will be president (it is pre-destined). |
Politics › Re: Open Grazing Obsolete; Nigeria Needs A Versatile Leader — Tambuwal by oyatz(m): 10:51am On Aug 24, 2021 |
iwaeda: We will give your family land as grazing route to the hersdmen. How is this related to my post? I am not faulting his assertion that open grazing is obsolete. However publicly declaring that open grazing is obsolete doesn't confer superb leadership skills on anyone. |
Politics › Re: Open Grazing Obsolete; Nigeria Needs A Versatile Leader — Tambuwal by oyatz(m): 5:50am On Aug 24, 2021 |
Jostoman: give him power first and see what he can do with it. And what did he do with powers as Gov of Sokoto State? His State has the highest poverty rate in Nigeria. |
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Politics › Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Dies At 97 by oyatz(m): 2:47am On Aug 24, 2021 |
dasparrow: If it was Mrs Aguiyi-Ironsi that had died 55 years ago before her husband, I would bet my last dime that her husband would have remarried long time ago. The bible says till death do you apart. So once a person's spouse is dead, the surviving spouse can choose to remarry if they so desire. It's so ironic how you hypocrites expect young widows to remain single and alone but you don't expect the same from young men who are widowers. As a matter of fact widowers are encouraged to remarry as soon as possible while young widows are expected to stay alone till they die. Yet, you people discriminate against single ladies who choose a single and celibate life. You don't go calling them "strong women." Some of you are just confused. Where did I talked about Widow, widower and re-marriage? I think your reply is meant for someone else. |
Culture › Re: The Coronation Of Tsola Emiko As Olu Of Warri (Full Video) by oyatz(m): 2:43am On Aug 24, 2021 |
bakar007: According to oral history passed from one generation of Ijaws from Ogbe-Ijoh to another generation, Warri, a corrupted version of the Ijaw word, "Wari", which means house, was founded by an Ijaw man named Ewein, a great hunter and fisherman. In 1906, with the rapid growth in trading activities, the British acquired Ogbe-Ijoh village (an Ijaw community) in order to develop it as "whites only" residential area and headquarters of her Warri Province Administration. The people of Ogbe-Ijoh were resettled on the Ogbe-Ijoh market and the British signed a 99years lease with the Ogbe-Ijohs. However, the Ijaws felt humiliated by the forced eviction and the handling of the land acquisition. The then Governor of Benin River, a British political agent who handled the acquisition and ejection of the Ijaws was Chief Doru (Dogho) Numa, an Itsekiri man. The above incident probably marked the beginning of the bad blood between the Ijaws of Warri and the Itsekiris. So Warri original is different with ijaw and itsekiri version let be clear on that , I asked you previously where is Warri according to you
And again Chief Ayiri crying foul over ogbe ijoh Warri Kingdom in this publication prove the itsekiri mindset of claiming Warri as it own Read this link
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/12/plan-to-stop-amakosu-of-ogbe-ijoh-warri-kingdom-unlawful-says-nds/amp/ You are answering questions that were never answered. Ijaws have their territories in Warri and nobody is disputing this but it should be noted that the original Warri was a small Itsekiri town before expanding to the Territories of the Ijaws and Urhobos. However, if you think that Urhobos and the Ijaws were the original inhabitants of Warri, please list the Ijaw Kings that have reigned in Warri Kingdom before 1952 and Ijaw Traditional rites/Festivals in Warri in Pre-colonial times. Everybody knows the Ijaw kings (Amanayabo) that reigned in Ibani and Opobo, even in pre-colonial era. |
Politics › Re: Obasanjo Knelt Down For Emiko, Olu Of Warri (Photo) by oyatz(m): 9:47pm On Aug 23, 2021 |
Brandonx: Why would I kneel before a throne?  As a grand son of an Oba, I have come to understand one thing, power belong to God! The rulers are 'appointed' by God to maintain law & order in the affairs of men. |
Politics › Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Dies At 97 by oyatz(m): 6:57pm On Aug 23, 2021 |
Drsnives: Strong woman.. she remained unmarried for close to 55years after her husband's death If na our contemporary ladies, the next day self dem don begin recive baptism of dicks Things have changed. The modern generation have demystified sex and it is now like a casual activity similar to handshakes. |
Culture › Re: The Coronation Of Tsola Emiko As Olu Of Warri (Full Video) by oyatz(m): 6:27pm On Aug 23, 2021 |
bakar007: Let's get some things clear
Before 1950 there was nothing like Olu of Warri , we had only Olu of itsekiri ,it was 1952 the Chief Awolowo succumbed to the pressure from itsekiri to elevate the status of the Olu of Itsekiri in par with other traditional rulers. Such as, Olu of Ibadan, Oba of Lagos, Ooni of Ife, Oba of Benin etc., whose titles reflect overlordship over territories. Which the itsekiri tried to use to claim the terrine of ijaws and urbobos but failed .
His town of Warri according to your quote ,where is Warri according to you? Cos Ogbe ijoh,Isaba ,egbama , gharamatu, , Agbassa , Okumagba never changed borders even before the entry of GINUWA the disowned son sent away by the oba of Benin as it was the ijaws who help him resettled into this terrine , he even married an ijaw lady whom he killed before moving from there. Is it possible he came to Warri terrine before the people he met there?
Finally itsekiri have their take on the origin naming of Warri so do ijaws . Can you please tell the whole world the names and titles of Urhobo and Ijaw Kings that were ruling Warri in 1952. If Warri were Urhobo and Ijaw Kingdoms before 1952, they would have had their kingds reigning in the city as at 1952. |
Culture › Re: The Coronation Of Tsola Emiko As Olu Of Warri (Full Video) by oyatz(m): 6:23pm On Aug 23, 2021 |
bakar007: Let's get some things clear
Before 1950 there was nothing like Olu of Warri , we had only Olu of itsekiri ,it was 1952 the Chief Awolowo succumbed to the pressure from itsekiri to elevate the status of the Olu of Itsekiri in par with other traditional rulers. Such as, Olu of Ibadan, Oba of Lagos, Ooni of Ife, Oba of Benin etc., whose titles reflect overlordship over territories. Which the itsekiri tried to use to claim the terrine of ijaws and urbobos but failed .
His town of Warri according to your quote ,where is Warri according to you? Cos Ogbe ijoh,Isaba ,egbama , gharamatu, , Agbassa , Okumagba never changed borders even before the entry of GINUWA the disowned son sent away by the oba of Benin as it was the ijaws who help him resettled into this terrine , he even married an ijaw lady whom he killed before moving from there. Is it possible he came to Warri terrine before the people he met there?
Finally itsekiri have their take on the origin naming of Warri so do ijaws . Nooooo, Olu of Warri is a historical title. The title of every king always State their kingdom e.g Emir of Kano, Dein of Agbor, Amanayabo of Opobo, Obong of Calabar. Warri is the name of a place while Itsekiri is a name of a tribe. It was in 1951 that the Western Regional Government temporarily accepted the demands of other tribes in WARRI PROVINCE (not not be confused with Warri Kingdom just as Enugu is not exactly the same as Enugu State or Sokoto exactly the same as Sokoto State) to declare that the king should be addressed as Olu of Itsekiri. This was however reversed in 1952 in an amicable manner in which both sides reached a compromise; the name of the Province was Changed to a neutral name that accommodate every tribes- DELTA PROVINCE. Nobody is contesting the ownership or boundaries of Ogbe-Ijo, Isaba, Okumagba and those places. There names have always been their names, though they were in the old Warri Pronvince but not originally parts of Warri Kingdom. The city recently expanded to those areas just as Yaba, Ajegunle, Iponri ,Itire weren't parts of original Lagos Kingdom but are parts of Lagos State. Today, the city of Onitsha now include Nkpor and almost include Ogidi and many neighbouring villages but they weren't parts of Onitsha in 1952. |
Politics › Re: Sit-at-home Pictures: Situation Report In South East.today Monday by oyatz(m): 12:55pm On Aug 23, 2021 |
obiekunie01: An afonja bearing the monika "princeoflagos" is accusing a titled Ozo who is even using his Ozo title as his monika of which those who knows the title can easily tell who he is, is being accused by a nobody!
chai! ewu atam igu n'isi! truly Nairaland is like a grave - everybody is equal here! Even Cubana will be insulted by riffraffs like this slowpoke! Prince of Lagos is an IPOB Jewish-Igbo man. He is an avid anti-Yoruba on this Forum. |
Culture › Re: The Coronation Of Tsola Emiko As Olu Of Warri (Full Video) by oyatz(m): 12:14pm On Aug 23, 2021 |
bakar007: No court in Nigeria gave Olu jurisdiction over the terrains of ijaws and urbobos in Warri and no court pronounced itsekiri as owners of Warri .Today we have Pere of Ogbe ijaws Warri Kingdom , clearly we re not fighting with anyone over terrine. Why do itsekiri like giving false picture of Warri to outsiders like they own the terrine ?? Itsekiri doesn't own Warri south ,nor south west nor north . Warri south West have ijaws and itsekiri areas ,which ogbe ijoh happen to be the head quarter, Warri north at Koko with ijaws and itsekiri terrine ,and Warri south with itsekiri, urbobos and ijaws . So why trying to paint a false representation of Warri to outsiders. Why crying wolf where there's none? The supreme court has ruled that the Olu of Warri is a valid title. QED. 1) Before 1950, the whole of Delta State was known as Warri Pronvince 2) The King of Warri has always been known historically as the Olu of Warri. The full title of kings always specify their domains e.g Obi of Onitsha ( Not Obi of Igbos), Dein of Agbor (not Dein of Ika tribe), Ooni of Ife (not Ooni of Yoruba) etc 3) Urhobos, Ijaws and other tribes petitioned the Western Regional Government that the title of the king is misleading because he wasn't the traditional ruler of all the tribes in Warri Pronvince. 4) The Western Regional Government accepted the compliants of the Ijaws, Urhobos and other tribes and issued an official gazzet that the king should use the title of 'Olu of Itsekiri' in 1951. 5) The Itsekiris felt dissatisfied and wrote their own pettion to higher authorities, the Governor-General of Nigeria in Lagos and copied the British Government in London who referred the matters back to the Western Regional Government to look into it. 6) Awolowo called a meeting of parliamentarians from that area to iron out the matter. They later took the case to Western Regional Assembly for thorough debates. 7) After much debates into the matter, amicable resolutions accepted by all parties were reached; a) That the name of the province be changed from Warri Pronvince to Delta Province. b) That the Olu could revert to his earlier title of Warri (since his reign will only be limited to his town of Warri).  With passage of time, Warri expanded into territories of other tribes. Many neighbouring villages also started calling their areas 'Warri' |
Culture › Re: The Coronation Of Tsola Emiko As Olu Of Warri (Full Video) by oyatz(m): 9:12am On Aug 23, 2021 |
bakar007: Same way Ugborodo people insist they re not part of Olu of itsekiri kingdom right
Oga face reality and stop trying to push itsekiri propaganda, your anti ijaws and urbobos sentiments shows in your writing , in the end itsekiri people remains the only tribe in Delta without an LGA of it own, trying to claim other terrains with a title The Olu of Warri title is a traditional title and has nothing to do with LGA. The issues were thoroughly debated and resolved in the Western Regional Assembly in 1952 with amicable solutions acceptable to both sides; 1) That Warri Pronvince (the whole of present Delta State) should be renamed Delta Province, a neutral name that accommodate all tribes in the Pronvince. 2) That the King of Warri can revert back to his historical title, The Olu of Warri. The Western Regional Government ,acting on petitions by Urhobos, Ijaws and other tribes had earlier in 1951 accepted to change the title to Olu of Itsekiri. However, the Itsekiris cross petitioned to Lagos and the British Government. |
Culture › Re: The Coronation Of Tsola Emiko As Olu Of Warri (Full Video) by oyatz(m): 9:00am On Aug 23, 2021 |
bakar007: Keep telling yourself that , cos the history of Warri from ijaws and urbobos historians proof otherwise. I hope you know that the Ijaws and Urhobos have taken the Olu of Warri matter to court and they lost at the Apex court? |
Culture › Re: The Coronation Of Tsola Emiko As Olu Of Warri (Full Video) by oyatz(m): 4:45am On Aug 23, 2021 |
Kinjikitileking: Why is the federal government playing polictics with this monarchy ?? Why can't they be sincere to themselves and know about the hierarchy of warri monarchy... War has been fought about this particular issue ... And instead of correcting this issue they are still pouring fuel on fire.. From the history , I learnt that warri is meant of 3 ethnic groups , itsekiri, ijaw and urhobo(it am not mistaken) And each has its own jurisdiction and jurisprudence.... Each monarch never trespass it's boundary ... Which am sure up till now is still practiced .... It's quite sure that this new crowned acclaimed Olu of warri can't and can never lead a procession to the other two enthnic domain..... It's sheer hypocricy of him admitting and bearing the nomenclature *olu of warri* when within him he knows he can't lead a procession to the later...
When will this issue be really solved to avoid apple of discord ?? If this self acclaimed monarchy has Nestor!!!! They will kindly advice him to fix this issue in his regime .... History will have it that he liberated the warri kingdom....... *BTW am from South East* 1) The FG has nothing to do with Issues pertaining to Traditional Rulers, they are handled by the States and LGAs. 2) The original Warri is an Itsekiri Kingdom. Infact,Warri is the Anglicized form of Iwerre. The city has however expanded into territories of the Isoko and Urhobos who have their own Traditional Rulers. Ijaw territories are also now very close to Warri city. |
Politics › Re: Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo by oyatz(m): 3:39am On Aug 23, 2021 |
cheruv: How'd Karabarị and Okirika be carved to Bayelsa when they're heavily soaked with Igboid elements The Bayelsa state creation is one area that Zik showed his political acumen, by ensuring that the only Ijo like tribes left in Rivers State are those that are heavily impregnated with Igboid elements. The Karabarị have been ruled themselves by the Amakịrị dynasty since the 1700s, and the dynasty itself migrated from Igboland whilst the Okirika themselves migrated from Ndọkị land(around that Afam area) and till today speak a creolized form of Ndọkị that has differentiated considerably from the mainstream. Most people on this forum often fail to understand one very important factor; States in Nigeria are units of administration and NOT necessarily ethnic homelands. It will be impracticable to create States for each ethnic group because in many areas, especially in the Rain Forests, ethnic groups live in close proximity to each other considerable areas of overlapp. |
Politics › Re: Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo by oyatz(m): 8:42pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
Idiko1: The bolded could only come from a stream thought owned by a dumbass fool. The military chain of command does not go through the governor of a region even when the governor is a military man. Honestly, your intellectual capacity does not qualify to partake in this banter. IPOBians like you think you can win an argument by introducing insults and abuses. I don't have your time. |
Romance › Re: Kayanmata Is Real Oo by oyatz(m): 7:47pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
Mastakija: Op na simp jor E just dey use kayamata cover face What's Kenyamata? |
Romance › Re: Is It Advisable For Married Couple To Watch Porn by oyatz(m): 7:40pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
fati2001: Watching pornography is a sin for many reasons and can present a lot of problems in your marriage, even when viewed with one’s spouse. First, porn takes a sacred, intimate union and makes it a spectator sport. Pornography involves people engaging in an illicit sexual behavior in front of a camera. God designed intimacy for a husband and wife only. Sex is a special gift from God designated to unite a couple in marriage. When God creates something, He creates it with purpose and design. If seeing the unclothedness of other people is requited to desire sex with one’s spouse, then that is lust. To watch pornography is to invite sin into our bedrooms. It allows the enemy to infiltrate our thinking, damage our hearts and turn dirty what God calls “very good”. I don't believe this sir. Couples can watch porn together once in a while especially if they don't have enough experience. |
Culture › Re: Please It Is Nana Of Itshekiri Not Olu Of Warri.This Fraud Should Stop by oyatz(m): 7:30pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
History555: He is olu of warri. Unfortunately only iteshikiri recognises him because all olu of warri are iteshikiri. Ijaws and urhobos don't recognise him. Ijaws and Urhobos have their own kings. The original Warri was built on Itsekiri land and it's undisputable that the Itshekiris were the rulers of Warri in pre-colonial Nigeria |
Culture › Re: Please It Is Nana Of Itshekiri Not Olu Of Warri.This Fraud Should Stop by oyatz(m): 7:28pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
DubaiLandLord1: I've been to Warri before, I don't think only the Isekiris own it. The original Warri was a small place, built on Itsekiri land. The city however expanded into the Territories of Urhobo and Isoko. |
Politics › Re: Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo by oyatz(m): 6:38pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
Eastlink: I appreciate your civilily and decorum as well. Maybe a drink or two would be needed in a lush bar on a Sunday in Victoria Island to discuss such exponential matters. Just joking.
But in fairness, Igbos are not known to be empire builders or expansionist. If by chance anyone is claiming lands not native to us, check clearly many of them might be misinformed.
For Opobo and Bonny, they were both independent city-states. Both with Igbo and Ijo heritage. Igbo origin and language and Ijo cultured. The early colonial historians had written so much about these groups that even Kenneth Dike who was the first indigenous Nigerian historian wrote his first book about the Niger-Delta states. GI Jones a British expanded on these facts and maintained the same thing — Ndoki-Igbo origin and language but Ijo cultured. Even when the Ijo sponsored revisionist by name Prof. Alagoa tried to change the Bonny/Opobo Ndoki origin by improvising an Ijaw origin, GI Jones sent in an academic rebuttal from London, to which Alagoa had to edit in a later version but this time claiming a reverse migration from Opokuma-Kolokuma to Ndoki.
Any wonder the Igbo-led Eastern region maintained the status quo and their independence by not enforcing any change or land grabbing them into the Igbo ethnic group. The Ibani or Ubani (Both Bonny and Opobo) kept their unique identity until the onslaught by the 52 brigade headed by the late Major Isaac Boro. Genocide and killings was recorded in both Bonny and Opobo and a host of other riverine communities like Kalabari, Andoni, Yeangoa etc. But the likes of Bonny and Opobo got it worst after which they were forcefully made to become Ijaws by threats. Funny enough after the changes were made, the land grabbers still failed to make the people to stop speaking their language. Despite several attempt to set up Finima-Ijaw language (which they called Ibani Egere) in schools, making it compulsory in Bonny and Opobo it still failed.
That singular incident of both Boro and the Ijo rulers of Old Rivers state kept them at daggers drawn with the Igbos and at the appropriate time, it will all be revisited. Currently, the Ijo landgrabbers who carried out that act are now in Bayelsa giving a lot of folks a breather in Rivers state. The most funny aspect of this post is the part that said Adaka Boro forced 'Ibani and Opobo' to become Ijaw! How do you change the ethnic identities of cities? Can you teach me this method, may be it can help to solve certain inter-communal problems. For example, can someone make Agbor to become an Urhobo city? In my own view, what happened in Opobo and Ibani is simply cultural assimilation. The Igbo elements in these cities dissolve gradually into the larger Ijaw communities and there's nothing spectacular about this. Similar cases in varying degrees of success abound all over the world. Arochukwu, Aba=> Ibibio got assimilated into Igbo Ogori/ Mangogo=> Ebira got assimilated into Yoruba Badagry=> Yoruba got assimilated into Egun/Ogu. Seminole Tribe of Florida, USA=> Black African slaves got assimilated into Native Americans. Moors=> Black Africans and Arabs into Berbers Itsekiri= Bini into Yoruba |
Politics › Re: Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo by oyatz(m): 4:08pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
Eastlink: Ojukwu might have studied classical history but he didn't apply the practical aspect of it during the Biafran war. Gowon who didn't study history had the upper hand than Ojukwu because he took the advise of those who understood better than him. So studying history changes nothing if you don't apply it when it matters most.
To reply you on the points you made. First, the Greek conquered lands and people during the Hellenic period. And so those lands you mentioned many of them were independent ethnic groups who got annexed by another bigger wolf “Ottoman” now Turkey.
Germans on the other hand were never in one territory. Germania was the name the Romans gave to the barbarians who lived in that axis, and after the fall of Rome, there was a free for all landgrab by groups like the Frankish kingdom began by Clovis, the Huns headed by Atila, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Anglo who moved to take Britannia, and the successors of the Franks who apportioned much of present France and some part of Briton, Luxembourg, Italia and Austria to themselves under the holy roman empire headed by Charlemagne but which continued with Kings from Austria.
So Hitler trying to form or revive a single country for old Germania was a dream similar to the Italians trying to revive the Roman empire. Such dream by Hitler would alter the balance of power in Europe. Because there's no way you’ll annex Austria who had already enjoyed statehood, first as the successors of the Holy Roman Empire and second as the Austro-Hungarian empire ruling most of Eastern Europe before the existence of the German Reich. Or Hungary who existed before Hitler. Holland another old Germanic tribe that had formed a single identity called Dutch. Or by annexing some part of France who were rightly Germanic tribesmen as well.
Had Hitler kept to the unified Germany began by Otto Von Bismarck, rather than expand it no mans land, no one who think of dividing them into east or west after their defeat by the allied forces and Russia.
So your analysis on Igbos is faulty. Ndigbo have no agenda to gather the YEAI groups in the south and middle-belt to form one identity that will be similar to Hitlers landgrab. Ndigbo unlike the Ijo landgrabbers know their territories and are not willing to let them go, whether in Nigeria or in the apocalypse. It will be difficult to expand or change the present boundaries without generating problems. The only way igbos can have parts or whole of the present Rivers State is if the people of these Coastal territories on THEIR OWN clamour to join Igbos in the same country. Anyone who is well conversant with the political History of Rivers State will know that Igbos have been laying claims to these Territories since colonial times and on several occasions, the indigenous riverine peoples have resisted these subtle attempts e.g The Igbo dominated NCNC presenting an Igboman as the major of Port-Harcourt, Igbo irredentists toying with the idea of changing the name of Port-Harcourt to Port Azikiwe in the 1950s and trying to make the igbo nickname for the city ,IgweOcha as the official name of the city. The climax of the resistance of the riverine peoples to assimilation of their territories into Igboland was the creation of Rivers State in 1967, a master stroke which rattled Ojukwu and the Igbo intelligential causing him to declare Biafra three days later. Had Gowon created Rivers and Cross River States in December,1966, there won't be anything like Biafra or even the civil war. The naming of the Port Harcourt Stadium as Liberation Stadium and it's recent renaming as Yakubu Gowon Stadium is a pointer to the feelings of the Rivers people towards joining 'Igbo Republic'. The abadonned properties saga in Rivers State, the several public proclamations dissociating their communities from IPOB campaigns and the treatment of IPOB and their sympathizers by Gov Wike are also showing how these people feel towards 'Igbo Republic' |
Politics › Re: Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo by oyatz(m): 3:35pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
Eastlink: Ojukwu might have studied classical history but he didn't apply the practical aspect of it during the Biafran war. Gowon who didn't study history had the upper hand than Ojukwu because he took the advise of those who understood better than him. So studying history changes nothing if you don't apply it when it matters most.
To reply you on the points you made. First, the Greek conquered lands and people during the Hellenic period. And so those lands you mentioned many of them were independent ethnic groups who got annexed by another bigger wolf “Ottoman” now Turkey.
Germans on the other hand were never in one territory. Germania was the name the Romans gave to the barbarians who lived in that axis, and after the fall of Rome, there was a free for all landgrab by groups like the Frankish kingdom began by Clovis, the Huns headed by Atila, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Anglo who moved to take Britannia, and the successors of the Franks who apportioned much of present France and some part of Briton, Luxembourg, Italia and Austria to themselves under the holy roman empire headed by Charlemagne but which continued with Kings from Austria.
So Hitler trying to form or revive a single country for old Germania was a dream similar to the Italians trying to revive the Roman empire. Such dream by Hitler would alter the balance of power in Europe. Because there's no way you’ll annex Austria who had already enjoyed statehood, first as the successors of the Holy Roman Empire and second as the Austro-Hungarian empire ruling most of Eastern Europe before the existence of the German Reich. Or Hungary who existed before Hitler. Holland another old Germanic tribe that had formed a single identity called Dutch. Or by annexing some part of France who were rightly Germanic tribesmen as well.
Had Hitler kept to the unified Germany began by Otto Von Bismarck, rather than expand it no mans land, no one who think of dividing them into east or west after their defeat by the allied forces and Russia.
So your analysis on Igbos is faulty. Ndigbo have no agenda to gather the YEAI groups in the south and middle-belt to form one identity that will be similar to Hitlers landgrab. Ndigbo unlike the Ijo landgrabbers know their territories and are not willing to let them go, whether in Nigeria or in the apocalypse. First let me thank you for remaining calm and civil unlike most supporters and sympathizers of IPOB. As someone who is well read, you ought to have known that; 1) There was never an Igbo Empire/Kingdom/Republic before 1914 that included or exercise sovereignity over Opobo and Ibani, so at what point do these cities becomes Igbo cities? 2) These cities don't share boundaries with other igbo towns/cities. It's just like Ghana trying to lay claims to Badagry! 3) There is no way, igbos can just move into these coastal cities , trying to chase away the present Indigenes and rulers of these cities and annex these cities without causing problems and drawing the attention of Nations and Governments beyond the region. It will cast the Igbos in the mould of the aggressor and Invaders which will be counter productive in the long run similar to the 1990 attempts by Saddam Hussain led Iraq to annex Kuwait which caused the Gulf War-1. |
Politics › Re: Joe Igbokwe : They Say I Have A Striking Resemblance With The Ousted Malian Pres by oyatz(m): 3:14pm On Aug 22, 2021 |
proeast: So make we fry beans or what? Even if he resembles you, I doubt he is also a Judas ready to sell his people for 12 pieces of silver. How exactly has he sold his people sir? |
Politics › Re: Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo by oyatz(m): 6:57am On Aug 22, 2021 |
Eastlink: No one is talking about Biafra here. Biafra for one is not an Igbo idea as it didn't include Igbos in Benue, Kogi, Delta, and Edo. It's was mainly an eastern region affair as Ojukwu didn't see the bigger picture and ceded Igbo territories outside the east all in a bid to sit tight as Governor. Records of how he created the puppet Republic of Benin with Igbo territories is still there and how he abandoned Igbos in Kogi and Benue to their fate in the north. So when Ijaws, Benin, and Igala began grabbing Igbo lands in their domain with fraudulent revisions, most Igbo elders kept mute as Ojukwu had already ceded them all for his egoistic power play with Gowon.
So Biafra as far as many of us are concerned is dead and buried. The carcass of Biafra is now the food of the lowest rungs of the society. Touts, thugs, cultists, never-do-wells, and failures who seek a way to escape from explaining to their Umunna why they failed as men. Some of them spent years in London with nothing to write home about, before setting up an IPOB company to scam the illiterate maga’s in the South East. You can call these men hyenas or vultures na you sabi.
But in this new dispensation, our focus is playing politics the right way in Nigeria. Get allies just like others are doing. But if peradventure the worst happens to Nigeria, the plan B is never dead Biafra but republic of Igboland, Ikenga republic or any name that identifies with our roots. And that includes every inch, none will be ceded to any tribe. If you observe, you’ll see that many Igbos aren't looking for brotherhood where there is none. All the places most Igbos are challenging have historical documents from antiquity, with backed-up linguistic evidences that even if we go to ICJ, we’ll win the case. But going to ICJ won't suffice because the matter is too less and can be solved with wisdom.
Igbos know their territories and anyone that wants to steal them should ready themselves for hundreds of years of hostilities. That one is guaranteed. The only thing that will bring peace is if everyone focuses on what is ancestrally and natively theirs.
For Bonny & Opobo only them will decide their fate. Their Kings and citizens. Not by INC or Ijo gangsterism which happened with the aid threats and genocide of the indigenes by land grabbing Isaac Boro. This time the story will be different. Ojukwu who studied History at Oxford University and was a District Officer in the colonial Administration (The equivalent of LGA chairman in the present arrangements ) beforen joining the Military knew better than you. On what basis will Ojukwu be taking over supposedly 'Igbo territories in Delta, Kogi, Benue, Rivers'? Was he also the Governor of these areas. It's far easier to dilineate territories for a people based on Geographical landmarks e.g Rivers, Mountains, Gullies and Valleys than trying to create a country for them based on acclaimed historical ethnic homelands because it's difficult to say where the lands of of ethnic group start and the lands of another ethnic group stop. There are always areas of ethnic overlaps that may not be easy and straight forward to resolve. Byzantium (now Istanbul, Turkey), Cyprus, Smyna, Thessaloniki and Macedonia used to be Greek Territories but today aren't parts of Greece. The attempts by Adolf Hitler to annex all lands where he thinks German people lived was the primary cause of the WW-2. Today, German people are in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Leichtenstein and at least 3 other European countries |
Politics › Re: The Igbos Are Not Landlocked by oyatz(m): 6:35am On Aug 22, 2021 |
Sufferingboy: My brother @Abohboy we Ikas will always be by the side,of Ndokwa people.
I have said before that FG need to build at least a commercial fishing port in aboh and empower Ndokwa youth to go into fishing and it will help us save forex.
Ika man will always stand with Ndokwa man,anytime anyday. Instead of waiting for the FG to do this, pressurize your State Government to do it just like Gov Godwin Obaseki is building Gelegele Sea-Port and Refinery in Edo State. |
Politics › Re: Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo by oyatz(m): 9:32pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Eastlink: Coastal control you mean? Lol! What can Ijaw republic give to Bonny that they lack? Absolutely nothing. I bet you no shot will be fired. Bonny and Opobo will gladly cede themselves to Igbo republic as well as other communities in present riverine Rivers state. This I know first hand.
If you may know, Bonny, Opobo and Elem Kalabari became the dominate ports in the pre-colonial era taking over from Calabar because of her strong ancestral links with Igboland. Their sustenance which began from salt sales to the slave trade and then to palm oil was basically due to business dealings with the hinterland, not by fish sales with Izon boat gypsy’s. And in post Nigeria, the trio will want that economic interest to continue knowing that the benefits outweigh drinking ogogoro with sea dwellers.
Besides the economic benefits of being the sole axis for export and import of goods, the communities will benefit from the numerous gas pipelines from the eastern corridor of which Bonny LNG will need to be sustainable. Look at cases of referenda all over the world, referendum for secession is only conducted for those who ask for it. As at present , the people of Rivers State aren't asking for referendum. It very funny how Biafran irredentists assume that the referendum will hold in ANY territory they want. As a matter of fact, a period of semi-autonomous rule or self-rule always preceed the referendum. If IPOB can transform into a political party and win Governorship and Assembly elections in Rivers State (and even in Anambra,Abia, Enugu, Imo and Ebonyi), this will strengthen their claim to include Rivers among places where the referendum will hold. |
Politics › Re: Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo by oyatz(m): 9:17pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Eastlink: Coastal control you mean? Lol! What can Ijaw republic give to Bonny that they lack? Absolutely nothing. I bet you no shot will be fired. Bonny and Opobo will gladly cede themselves to Igbo republic as well as other communities in present riverine Rivers state. This I know first hand.
If you may know, Bonny, Opobo and Elem Kalabari became the dominate ports in the pre-colonial era taking over from Calabar because of her strong ancestral links with Igboland. Their sustenance which began from salt sales to the slave trade and then to palm oil was basically due to business dealings with the hinterland, not by fish sales with Izon boat gypsy’s. And in post Nigeria, the trio will want that economic interest to continue knowing that the benefits outweigh drinking ogogoro with sea dwellers.
Besides the economic benefits of being the sole axis for export and import of goods, the communities will benefit from the numerous gas pipelines from the eastern corridor of which Bonny LNG will need to be sustainable. Bros, we are in 2021 in case you aren't aware sir. Right now, Referendum for Biafra will NOT hold in any part of Rivers State. The Governor and the elders of Rivers State have dissociated themselves from Biafra. You will be deceiving yourself if you think that you will jump Imo-Rivers boundaries and over so many non-Igbo territories to Opobo which is the most Southern point of Rivers State to claim the city. |
Politics › Re: APC Govs Begging Jonathan, Promising Him Automatic Ticket - PDP Youths by oyatz(m): 8:56pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Ofunaofu: So that he will do one term of four years and power will return to the north No, Power will stay in the South for another four years. After Jonathan, then it will be Gov Dave Umahi (2027-2031). |
Celebrities › Re: Kemi Olunloyo: "One Of P-square Wives Would Leave Her Husband" by oyatz(m): 8:45pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
priceaction: Why wishing them marriage downfall. If you can't keep yours, why wishing others bad? Sick woman always think her opinion matters. They have being together for 10s of years and their marriage is one of the most kept lively despite many internal problems. I wonder how her old age will be. I am sure even her family will abandon her to reform center. By the way what happened to the man she showed us sometimes ago that she will soon become Mrs again? Am sure the man has run when he saw more than what he settled for. Unfortunately, she is right. |