₦airaland Forum

HornyTave:
you still haven't explained.

1. Ginuwa ruling house
2. Evben and Ada
3. The identity between Itshekiri and Binis in royal coronation and ordinance

Don't give me the Ada and Evben is a corrupt word of the Yoruba because

1. Ogiso Ere introduced the Ada and Evben
2. Ogiso Ere is the 2nd Ogiso while Oranmiyan was the 37th Ogiso.
3. Evben means leave in my language.
4. They neither meant justice or mercy.

also can you tell me who was the first Ooni of Ife and how many Ooni ruled Ife before Oranmiyan, I havent found a satisfactory answer.


PS : do you notice the guy holding the Ada, is always with the Olu? that's a culture kf the binis

Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini and the founder of the incumbent OBA dynasty, he was never an Ogiso.

Ogiso= Ogie + Iso= Kings of the sky.

OfoIgbo:
Peterside is also not an Igbo name, yet his Igboness is not in doubt and he personally proclaimed.

Ijaws in Ubani were mere migrant porters and menial labourers. Nothing more nothing less

RobbStark asked a simple question that you should name the War Canoes houses of Opobo that are Igbos but you are saying what's unrelated.

Nyamiri:
Ogbemudia Is Igbo indeed. No wonder he killed your fathers like dogs. Stupidity is in your lineage.

This is too much sir!

Malawian:
Bafagry is still controlled by Fon. I have been there and I have seen the people predominantly there, they do not seem like Yoruba people to me, although there are Yoruba look6people there as well.

The correct name for the ethnic group of Badagry is OGU (EGUN).


However OGU (EGUN) = Fon +Yoruba.

slim75d:
jaja threw every ibo heritage he had the day his greedy parents/ tribe sold him out for slavery, he never saw himself as an iboman, if he had he wouldn't have called himself amayanabo instead of igwe and named the new kingdom opubo which an ijaw word and other ijaw tradition

This is very similar to a Nigerian travelling to the US and becoming a n American citizen.

BiafraAburi:
Our fathers that used your so-called diplomacy, where did it get them?

Honestly, they were better off than the present generation.

Shokoloko:
It is impossible that slaves will be allowed to form a cult

It is impossible that a deity of the slaves would be allowed to roam the village swallowing children

Why would the King Opubo Pepple refer to the Ibo sacred reptile as "his" fetish or juju?

In human sociology, never say anything is impossible.

Ex-black slaves in Brazil, Cuba and other countries Latin America have their own religious cults and deities like The Santeria Cult.

Yeah, the leader of a community can adopt any religion or worship any deity that provide solutions to his (mostly political) problems especially in a highly superstitious environment like African societies in the 19th century.

5ThChild:
Instead of you to make friends with the Niger-delta people, you are making foes of them. Isn't that unwise ?
They are the only people that holds the chance of realizing anything Biafra

You are weak, accept that fact. Chose your enemies wisely

Their modern generation don't have the necessary diplomatic attitudes needed in a heterogeneous country like Nigeria.

slim75d:
i am a full fledged opobo son from Dappa's war canoe house. Yes we speak a mixture of ibani/ijaw wit igbo. That does not make us igbos our culture, traditions are all ijoid, so look for a brother that have access to the atlantic some where else

Are you sure you are not Igbos?

paramakina202:
Recognising people of Opobo as Igbo speaking people simple.They are not Ijaw as claimed by our neighbours.

Which tribe are they presently?



And you think about twenty people on Nairaland is all what it takes to proclaim Opobo as Igbo people?

paramakina202:
It is all about keeping the record straight nothing more.
You can't see white and call it black and we let it stand.
Call Opobo what it is and forget the benefit.

Which records sir?

Why aren't we setting the same records straight about Onitsha, Aba, Abakaliki or Afikpo?

OfoIgbo:
Aro people were dealing in slaves in huge chunks of Igboland. That does not mean Arochukwu people are not Igbos.
Neutral writers have already confirmed which ethnic group owns Ubani, and we already know which family owns Opobo.

Good!

Since you already know all these, why all these threads upon threads trying to prove that Opobo ,Bonny and recently Kalabari are Igbos? Why aren't we seeing threads upon threads to prove that Owerri, Nnsuka or Aba are Igbo cities?

paramakina202:
Was Yoruba land united before the coming of Britain?
Yoruba was also a creation colonialism.
If Igboland start and end in SE so also Yoruba land start and end in SW.Bini land start and end in their 3 LGAs in Edo state.

What exactly do you guys gain in all these?

Suppose if everybody on this thread declare that Opobo is an Igbo town, how does it benefit you?

What do Nigerians even gain from membership of a tribe? Does belonging to a particular tribe make it easy for one to become successful in life?

RobbStark:
Truth of the matter is that, their noise end here. No where e reach.
I am currently in Opobo and nothing of cultures shows I am in Ibo land.
They said they were the original inhabitants of bonny yet the same ibos were sold as slaves thro bonny. How come their own kin allow them to be sold whereas the bonny people weren't sold.

They shud come up with another lie.
They have tried Wikipedia and Google to back up their claim but fail to show where Jaja was alculturated into being an Ijaw man before he was even made to lead a house in Bonny.
No matter how they twist the truth to suite their narrative, it won't change anything on ground.
Na normal cruise noise online

Most of these people are IPOB members who are mostly semi-educated traders.

You won't see well educated and exposed guys from the S/East
like Soludo, Kingsley Moghalu or Prof Bath Nnaji declaring on social media that they own a whole people.

thebosstrevor1:
The religion the Southern Nigeria was practicing before the Christian jihadists from western nations came was the African traditional religion. When a child was born in the South, the child is born into a traditionalist home, at the end, he or she becomes a traditionalists, the religion of their family. This religion has its closeness to nature,the protection of the environment, respect for hierarchy and other traditions, the religion was not perfect but it helped in bringing harmony to their society.

Then the Christian jihadists from Europe came, at first, they sent their christian missionaries and explorers to come spy, after that they sent in traders, the traders acted on the spy note sent by the missionaries and explorers.

With trading, the Christian jihadists saw that they could colonize the natives, so they sent in administrators and soldiers for control, in the name of creating a trading route.

The jihadists started their work, Christian schools and churches were built and people forced into them, if the kings disagree, they either kill the kings through Rivalries or remove him and give his throne to an entire new family.

The natives were taught English in the Christian schools which made them get ready for the Christian church which was closeby, the Christian jihadists, forecefully destroyed shrines, arrested herbalists and made laws that stopped them from being useful.

What happened next? They started a massive war and propaganda campaign, join the Christian church and receive recognition or be isolated, kings in the south because of fear of being isolated and of superior guns joined the church and encouraged their people to join, the bible became a propaganda book, the Christian jihadists translated the bible to local languages and then used African traditional gods as the antagonists in the newly translated bible, this created fear of the African religion among the natives and made them run to the Christian church. The Christian population started growing, funds from christian nations started pouring into southern Nigeria to propogate and spread christianity by all means, schools, dispensaries were built, clothes were given, hoes, cutlass for farming were given all to attract them to come to
ocme back to the church,some natives revolted but the power of the jihadists gun subdue them and made them loyal.

Today, we have lot of forcefully Converted Christians who grudgingly obey their Christian gods, they don't read the bible, neither do they practice what is written in the bible, in the morning, they go to church, at night , they go to the shrines for power.

So what's the way forward now?

SlayerForever:
Yes, you are right. In Opobo's case they are Igbo centuries ago and Igbo today. Politically backed historical revisionism fails on scrutinization, all the time.

It's not in your place to decide who they are, this is left for the people of Opobo to decide and anyone who knows them well enough can easily see who they portray themselves to be.

The Gov't need to privatize these hospitals while we consolidate on attaining universal health insurance coverage.

SlayerForever:
You just dey talk talk brah brah brah. Nawa. Ijaw has been doing this thing you're doing since the 19th century. You don't know that, that's why you think you will achieve anything.

Look at the spectacular failure on their hands after their fabrication and manipulation since the 19th century.

Bros, read wide and travel wide. There is no clear cut boundaries where one ethnic stop and another one start, there always areas of overlap. This is most obvious in Forested areas where people live in close proximity to each other and examples abound all over the world.


The classification of indigenous peoples in this country into what we now call ethnic groups was introduced by the British and it's a very recently fabricated stuff.

There are people today who identify as Ijaws but whose grandfather or great-grandfather came from Mbaise, Okigwe or Amaigbo. Similarly there are people today who identify as Igbos but their great-grandfathers came from Akure, Gboko, Bini, Agenebode, Ikot-Abasi, Agbor, Eleme or even Cameroon.

BKayy:
No Ẹdo man bears Osakwe or Osadebe because it means nothing in Bini.
Now you know.
Forget the sound, ask about the meaning, ask Bini people before you speak for them.
Thank you

Edo is not limited to Bini.


You can check Edo Peoples bearing Osakwe on Facebook.

Orisha/Osaa(Yoruba)= Oritse(Itsekiri)= Osaa(Edo) = Olise (Ika)= Olisa (Igbo) = Deity

SlayerForever:
What you mean is that because some actual Ijaws bear Igbo name Ijaws are Igbo. I think I like your argument

You people need to grew-up sir,ethnic groups through out the world overlap into one another and their languages tend to form a spectrum.

Names that are shared by different ethnic groups belong to both ethnic groups e.g If an Igbo man is bearing Osakwe, it's an Igbo name but if an Edo man is bearing Osakwe, then it's an Edo name.

SlayerForever:
There's overlap of some names and shared practices due to close proximity. But they are different ethnicities. Like saying Egun is Yoruba, okay?

You people are very funny.

Ethnic Identities are SELF IDENTITIES.

Only the people concerned can say who they are.


I have seen several Yorubas who identify as Egun and I have seen several people who I know to be Eguns but calling themselves Yorubas. In the end, we are who we say we are.

thebosstrevor1:
Voting is the participation of people in politics, the ability for them to elect leaders, that is democracy.

Government by the people is democracy.

Democracy isn't government by some privileged few or those from the lineage of a certain ancestor.


As for the bible.

Deuteronomy 1 vs 13

Choose for your tribes wise, understanding, and experienced men, and I will appoint them as your heads.’

2 Peter 1:10

Therefore, brothers,[a] be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.

What the bible wrote about government and obeying government

I peter 2 vs 13 -17

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

There is no point debating issues with you further because you already have a fixed mind that's not open to further ideas & information.


So when the Bible talks about your call your 'calling and election' it refers to voting? So when you see the 'Elect' in the Bible , you understand it to mean those who have been voted for?


So in Deut-1: 13 ,who were the persons that won 'the elections'?

So when the people of Zaria Emirate chose Nuhu Bamali as their Emir recently , it means the people just voted for Nuhu Bamali?



So a moral admonition to subject to EVERY Human authority which you qouted in 1Peter 2: 13 was just talking about submitting to a president that was elected by the people?

thebosstrevor1:
You are ignorant. You don't understand the meaning of democracy.

Britain did not become a democracy until the Representation of the People Acts of 1918 and 1928 that gave the vote to all men and women over the age of 21.

Magna carta has nothing to do with democracy rather
to prevent the king from exploiting his power, and placed limits of royal authority by establishing law as a power in itself.

Old oyo and benin never practised democracy, nobody voted in those empire.

1) You assume that voting for the president/Head of State = Democracy.

2) You keep insisting that Democracy = Christian concept.


Now where did Christ taught his followers to vote for the head of their country? Did any election to select the king of Israel/Judah take place in the Bible?

thebosstrevor1:
What you wrote had no resemblance with the oyo empire.

The people don't vote, there was no parliamentary system of government and no debate in the oyo empire.

Stop confusing your self by trying hard to compare your own local system with that of the west, they have no similarities.

The parliamentary system of government and monarchy is a new idea, what was practiced in Europe was absolute monarchy. Europe Monarchy became outdated after the second world war after some of the monarchs were killed or assassinated only a few survived, the ones which survived had to become ceremonial with a parliamentary system of government where the people had a say through votes.


These are bible verses about democracy in your bible

https://www.openbible.info/topics/democracy

Pls take your time to read about the Christian worldview

Is democracy a Christian form of government?
https://www.gotquestions.org/democracy-Christian.html

You keep exuding a dangerous blend of ignorance and arrogance.

The practice of democracy varies from Countries to Countries.

Democracy officially started in Britain following the transformation of the British Realm from Absolutely Monarchy to Constitutional Monarchy following the promulgation of the Magna Carta in 1215.
The summary of the event was that King John-1 agreed to share power with the people as represented by the British nobilities and much more later, the representatives of the commoners (hence the institution of the House of Commons).


This arrangement is very similar to what was obtainable in Old Oyo and the Bini Empires.


Instead of displaying crass ignorance with your fixed narrative of 'Democracy is a Christian concept' , why not google (a) Democracy (b) Christianity and read about these terms. This will help you rather than projecting your assumptions on the topics as the Gospel Truths.

thebosstrevor1:
It is the height of inferiority complex trying to make sure your distinct system is the same with democracy which is western.

How did a monarchy system became a democracy.

Is democracy only about choosing someone to rule.

In oyo empire, only the elites could select who is the next king and the next king wasn't choosen from the people rather from the families who are of royal blood.

How then is that democracy??

Democracy is about the PEOPLE.

Britain pride itself with her 800 year old democracy yet the British citizens never votes to elect either the Queen or the Prime Minister.


The levels of Peoples participation in the governance and emergence of political leaders varies from Countries to Countries.

The United Kingdom, Spain, Belgium, Greece and Denmark are European countries that still practice Monarchial system with democracy.

Democracy predated Christianity by centuries and Christianity has nothing to do with how people rule themselves so how is Democracy a Christian concept?

OnlyDeCapPlease:
So after building deep sea port in Bonny, how will the cargo be moved to places like PH etc?

By nonexistent road?

By nonexistent rail?

By transferring to a smaller vessel that will probably charge same or more than it cost to ship from abroad?

Or maybe there is a grand plan to build 10 Lane highway and standard gauge 4 track rail line to Bonny?

Am I missing something?

The minister already addressed this that a standard railway will be constructed to the port at Bonny.

If this can be achieved, it will help greatly in the development of Nigeria

thebosstrevor1:
I say most Christian converts in Nigeria, don't understand the bible, they read the surface and not the deep meaning of things.

The bible deals with politics, leadership, loyalty, how citizens are suppose to behave and lot more.

Western civilization is based on Christian values from the bible.

Christ is the cornerstone of Christianity. Christianity is about the teaching of Christ and not just anything written in the Bible.
The Bible is a collection of History, Moral codes, Prophecies and the Gospels.

thebosstrevor1:
You don't know what you are typing.

Different cultures have their own systems of governance and it wasn't democracy.

Every culture isn't the same, each has its own unique system of governance that keeps society intact

Democracy is a Greek world derived from DEMO +Cracy= Peoples Government.

In the Old Oyo Empire, there were provisions in varying degrees for the people to participate in their Government and power was shared between the Monarch, the Oyo-Mesi (similar to the legislature) and the Ogboni (similar to the Judiciary). The Governance system had checks and balances that prevents the emergence of dictatorship.

The Emperor (Alaafin) is 'elected' by the Oyo-Mesi among eligible princes.

Abohboy:
Mohammed was a christian as well you're aware of that right? And times in Israel when Jesus came and in Egypt when Moses was there were ten times worse then what happened in the 7th century so stop with your foolish ramblings the fact that this belief has stretched so deeply into the minds of people is scary i'm not amuslim personally but I have many family members who are and I can say with confidence that a lot of them are more calm and peaceful then most christians that i've met you know why? Because religion has nothing to do with attitude and violence it is simply the belief of that singular person.

Learn to be civil in your response next time.

My post is about ISLAM. If you want to refute what I wrote, you can adduce alternative explanations instead of bringing about extraneous issues like the problems in Christianity or in the life and times of Moses.

You can write an independent post on whatever you think is wrong with Moses, Jesus Christ, Israel or Christianity.

Karlovych:
Hallaaaah Wakbaaar, I see them proceeding to the SW to distribute more fliers, I see the drug lord aiding them to establish an Islamic State and Caliphate in the region like it was done in Ilorin, I see Amotekun evacuating a lot of people into Benin Republic as refugees, I see MURIC hoisting the flag of victory in the newly established Caliphate.
This I have seen

Okay, we have heard you well. Now go back and start taking your medications.