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And how does all these facts concern the Yorubas?

What's the essence of the OP bringing the 'WEST' into this thread?

Why the need to always bring the Yorubas into the Biafran matter with the funny impression that the Yoruba are the obstacles to Biafran secession?

gwafaeziokwu:
After seeing facts as presented by the OP, you want to drag another person into baseless argument with you.

What do you want him to debate with you?

That River Niger do not exist or that there is no international law guilding it. Or you do not understand the assertion that if Nigeria split River Niger is the lifeline of the north in terms of sea access. East has an alternative in Imo river.

Why is it really important to convince us that we are landlocked. Wetin be your own?

Where did you get the impression that they don't drink beer in Kano?

Where did you have this funny ideas that Yorubas and Fulanis don't invest outside their homelands?

There are many Yorubas that derived their means of livelihood in the North, Warri, Port Harcourt, Calabar, Asaba and S/East.

Igbochief001:
Let's come together and build a better nation ? Really ...?

Honestly apart from igbos ,maybe old Bendel and akwa cross no tribe has ever and still believe in one Nigeria

It's not by singing it , how man yorubas invest outside their zone ....how many fulanis do ? This people in the back of their hearts know Nigeria is not one , so why pretend ? ..

That's the thing about Igbo man we never pretend we day how we feel always no matter what

You want us to unite as a country ...are you ready to lose your cultural identity for Nigeria ? Because we can't have our individual cultures and still be United

Are we ready to enthrone merit no matter where they come from ? Would the north accept this ?

Nigeria is not meant to be one....how can I be in my country and I can't drink beer in Kano ?

This write up is full of pure hypocrisy

Again you just confirmed my assertion.




Most Biafrans only abuse and curse people online. They have nothing concrete to prove.

superlightning:
Another stupid story. Suit yourself.

You are making the same mistakes;


All these problems of the Yoruba people are NOT the reasons why Biafra hasn't been restored.



You are fighting a wrong battle by focusing your attentions on attacking the Yorubas which is just one out of over 300 ethnic groups in Nigeria.

SciLab:
Same old story.
The average yorubaman has a defeatist mentality that's why they've abandoned Kwara to the fulanis.

Now when a yorubaman feel defeated, he expects to the Ibo man to also feel defeated and becomes the primary source of discouragement for others with resolved will.

He doesn't really want you to succeed in that quest becuse he has resigned himself to the fate of failure and want to you to also be at par with him.

Unfortunately for them, the Igbo man is not a man with a weak resolve. He'll take his chances no matter how slim. If the yorubas were the ones who lost the civil war to British and Russian miltary power, with their defeatist attitude, I don't think they'll ever rise again. Much of yorubaland will be like the Ibadan brown roof refugee camps which are echoes of the kiriji war fought 200 years ago.

Excuse me bros,

What exactly do you think is the reason why Biafra hasn't been restored?

kettykings:
sometimes i really wonder why some Nigerians are so brain dead and brain locked, is it not the same Nigeria that its president went to a UN general Assembly to be campaigning for the Palestinian state and the South Saharan state, the braindead people do not find any issues with that, but when it comes to biafra millions of threads are now opened to explain why biafra will not work.

You are throwing unnecessary childish tantrums instead of you to think deeply about the issues and contribute intelligently.


Yorubas are NOT the reason why the referendum has not been held.

The truth is that nobody truly want the secession, even Nnamdi Kanu doesn't TRULY want Biafra.

superlightning:
Copy-copy, please don't disintegrate. Stay with your caliph superiors. cowards.

Most young and overzealous Biafrans wrongly assume that the Yoruba people are particularly against the creation of their utopian Country.

The Yorubas aren't the reason why Biafran hasn't materialized.

The real reason is because those who TRULY want Biafra are in the minority and they don't have any political war to push it through.
They are mostly Okada riders, traders, farmers etc.

Most Buafran enthusiastists are only doing so ONLINE, they have no REAL intention to see it created.



If all the State Houses of Assembly in Igbo States have passed a resolution calling for the restoration of Biafra and all their Senators are lobbying other senators to move the same motions in the National Assembly, the whole world will start taking them serious.

This is a figment of your imagination to console yourself.
1) In the event of disintegration, EVERY Geopolitical zone/ethnic group will form it's own country.

2) The North and the Yorubas won't be in the same Country.

3) Even the Noth will disintegrate into at least 2-4 different Countries.

superlightning:
Yorubas are afraid of losing the igbos. They know they can't face the north alone.

The Apapa wharf was built inside a LAGOON.

OFFICIAL336:
Yoruba Moslem, Apapa sea port is 50 nautical miles to the Atlantic while Azumili is less than 25 nautical miles.

Heavy dredging was done before Apapa could become functional

You don't understand what happened in Sudan. They fought a destructive civil war for over 20 years after which both sides were tired having depleted their resources, energy with waste of lives.


They both reached an agreement to grant South Sudan automomous rule for some years, then followed by a referendum if they want to remain or seceed from Sudan.

humilitypays:
if the powers that be like US become interested in getting Biafra out of Nigeria, they don't need approval of parent country. They will apply international diplomacy to force them to accept.


North Sudan never wanted South Sudan to go because of crude oil, but the moment US developed interest, they gave South Sudan freedom. Same happened to Israel.


Nigeria will sure divide, just a matter of time. You know that

Mr Man,stop all these childish mentality that everyone that's not supporting Biafra must be Yorubas. What brought Yoruba Activists into this matter?

Do Biafra and Yorubas have a common border or under the same States/Region?

humilitypays:
then stop saying what you dont understand its process, stop that nonsense talk of talk to your Governors and Senators to help you get out of Nigeria, it has never happened anywhere, it doesn't happen that way. It usually starts with secessionist movements, agitations by non partisan politicians, mostly human right activists, courageous soldiers do theirs through coup detat or civil war which is old and outdated.


Nnamdi Kanu is on course and he is making progress, though he fumbles at times. Nigeria will not last long, efforts are being made.


The Governors and Senators from the Southeast will be caught under surprise. They cannot get Biafra for Igbos. You get your independent state mostly through foreign diplomatic games and UN charter....get the right nations to your side and it is done.

In the past it was US...but their recent President have no interest in foreign politics and melding. Maybe future ones maybe like before.


Only UN can dissolve a nation not national assembly, stop listening to quack Yoruba activists and politicians trying to discourage Igbos from seeking for secession through their talk to your Governors and Senators to pass a bill, what bill

Which President will endorse and pass such bill into law

You don't think of making your life better but only think of killing all the people you perceived as your enemies, no wonder you are at this level.

nototribalist:
Fulanis think we've forgotten what they did to our people. If I have the power, all Afonjas and abokiis will die this night

Check your source again.

1) In the 1979 elections, the UPN won Presidential, Governorship and House of Assembly elections in Bendel State.

2) Despite all the alleged rigging and irregularities in that election ,Shagari got 5.6 Million votes, Awolowo got 4.9 Million votes (won 53% in Bendel) , Azikiwe got 2.4 Million votes (won Anambra, Imo and Plateau States).

comos:
1. Ogbemudia of NPN later won after Ambrose Alli. ( Bendel people voted for Ambrose Alli not UPN)

2. Shagari defeated Awolowo hands down ( Bendel voted massively for NPN)

3. Oshiomole was very popular then due to his labour activities but it wss Lucky Igbinedion and other PDP stalwarts that brought him to power.

4. Edo are mostly PDP supporters but they will vote for any competent person irrespective of the party just like Obaseki.

By extension, do you also think that The Arewa Republic can also build a River Port on the Upper River Niger at Lokoja and start shipping their goods through Biafra enroute the Atlantic ocean?

gidgiddy:
Nigerian Sovereignty does not extend to international waters or water ways. Nigeria may own the land, but it does not own the River. In the event that the SE becomes an independent country, it can do all its shipping through Onitsha, Oguta and Obuaku and theres nothing Nigeria can do about it without violating international law

How did Buhari comes into this matter?

ignis:
Double standard... Government of Nepotism.


Buhari has finished Nigeria.

Dr Okechukwu Ikejiani was a Lecturer and not the Chairman of the University of Ibadan.

The cases are however very similar.

Amotolongbo:
Another Nnamdi Azikiwe- Okechekwu Ikejiani kind of case,

where Ikejiani brought a Doctorate degree certificate in Medicine from Toronto to be imposed as the Chairman of the University of Ibadan by Nnamdi Azikiwe, the visitor to the school.

The author,
Churchill Okonkwo is not a Yoruba man. Please follow him on Twitter

Igbochief001:
Honestly why do yorubas want one Nigeria really ...it's something I can't really understand ...

What have they benefited from one Nigeria ?

Allow igbos do their thing abeg

You don't Know what you are saying sir.

1) Liverpool and NOT London is the main Port that is the centre of Maritime Industry in the UK.

2) You can just stroll into another sovereign Country and start dredging River Niger or Azumiri River to the Atlantic ocean.

Can the People of Niger Republic just enter Nigeria and commence the dredging of the same River Niger from Kebbi to Opobo in order to have access to the Atlantic Ocean?

3) Badges to and from London pass within the territory of the UK and not another sovereign Country .

Can the people of Lokoja just be using boat freely down River Niger into Biafra anytime and anyhow they like?

gidgiddy:
I dont understand where this Okonkwo guy is coming from. Lets just assume that the South East becomes an independent country, will it have acess to the Sea? People keep talking about being "landlocked" as if that is what is important. What is important is if the SE has access to the Sea, not if it is landlocked. Many people have come to believe that being landlocked is the same as not having access to the Sea, it is not. The River Niger and its tributaries are international waterways which are owned by no nation. Nothing stops the SE from building River ports in Obuaku in Abia state and Oguta in Imo state and dredging the River to the Ocean.

Another thing people dont consider is badge technology. London is the capital of Britain and handles much of Britain's export/import yet London is landlocked. But fortunately for London, it has the River Thames that runs through London to the ocean. The only thing London did was to build some River Ports then use barges to move goods in out of London via the River Thames. These barges will sail to the River Ports, collect containers, sail to where the River empties into Ocean, wait for the Merchant Ships to arrive, discharge the export containers, collect the import containers and return to the River ports. They didn't even bother to dredge the River Thames because the huge merchant Ships dont have to use the River Thames

This can be replicated in Oguta, Obuaku and even Onitsha. I dont know what the argument is all about, the SE has full access to the Sea

Why is that there is no agitations for secession of the North despite being the poorest part of Nigeria?

Asuito7:
If it landlocked what then will you say about the North abi is it both sealocked and landlocked

Burkina Faso is shipping through Ghana, Botswana is shipping through Namibia and South Africa, Ethiopia the same thing through Eritrea and a couple of other European countries. Just go and find out.

If these countries are doing this, what do you think of Biafra. They will ship through their southernmost neighbors if eventually their southernmost neighbors doesn't join them in their independent country. And as such their economic activity continues.

I always laugh at you guys ignorance when it comes to this Biafra landlocked of a thing.

You should even worry about the North because they are not closer to the south and the Atlantic Ocean unlike Igboland.

The group is still operating but some guys have left.

Justice35:
the group have disappeared from Facebook too just searched for it but couldn't find it.

God bless you ma.

Seen is the problem of Nairaland and by extension ,parts of the problems of Nigeria with the ways he is allowing Tribalists, drug addicts and semi- Psychiatric patients to have free reign on his forum.



You can't compare the maturity and the intelligent debates/discussion on Reddit or Quora with the beautiful nonsense of Nairaland.

The threads on Nairaland need to be scrutinized and standardized.
There should be a checking of the experience and competence of commentators before contributing to threads.

Gandollar:
If only be seun can ban them and their IPs, it would go a long way in sanitizing this forum.

Sorry bro, that message was meant for Ahaoda Rivers.

ThatFairGuy:
You quoted wrong person

I don't hate Igbos or any tribe and I don't engage in this childish inter-tribal e-wars on this forum because I am far more educated, exposed and intelligent for such peurile talks.



If I disagree with certain misleading propaganda and out right falsehoods being peddled on this forum by members of a particular tribe doesn't mean I hate the tribe.


Please don't involve me in such matters again.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

AhoadaRivers:
Nice story but not the kind yorubas want to hear.

You see how they avoided the thread, if Ali and his friend had insulted the Ibos, helinues and his yoruba brothers like minorityopinion, oyatz, thatfairguy, simplyleo etc will be battling for 'first to comment' spot.

Please don't involve me in this your childish inter-tribal contests.


I am far more educated, exposed and intelligent for such peurile talks.




Thanks.

ThatFairGuy:
Once in a blue moon
Meanwhile, Igbo amaka

Obviously you aren't a politician but an armchair commentator.


Politicians don't just decamp to satisfy YOU but they do so to satisfy themselves.

Heavy duty Politicians always make deals that cater for their PERSONAL Interests first (which you wrongly assume is exactly the same as regional solidarity) before decamping.

Many politicians all over Nigeria have invested their time, energy and money (some even sold their houses) in the APC which they hope to reap the benefits in 2023 and you naively believe that they will abandon all these to face uncertainties in the PDP because they want to satisfy you?


That you believe that the APC will be confined to six States in the SW and the PDP will have 30 States in 30 months time shows you are mixing tribal optimism with reality.
Even Atiku, the likely PDP candidate in 2023 doesn't have this level of optimism.


If you have followed political development in Nigeria closely, you will know that an almost one-party state like what happened between 1999-2015 is not going to be feasible in Nigeria any time soon and definitely not in 2023, which is just 30 months away.

WeneWali:
If by ommision or commision, a yoruba man wins the APC ticket (which is unlikely), there will be massive shake up and many Northern leaders will decamp from APC to PDP. Making the party a glorified yoruba party. You know these things
You yorubas love to deodorize issues so that it will smell nice to your nostrils

The North will be given the ticket in PDP with solid backing from the SE and SS. As usual yoruba will fail at the polls like Awo failed against Shagari.
The North will never abandon their own and vote for a 'kaffir or arne' like you yorubas, and the SE and SS that you enjoy mocking and insulting will give you a middle finger.

Unfortunately sir, there is no queue, let alone you being appointed to man the queue.

The political parties and NOT you will determine who they give their tickets to come 2023 and beyond.

WeneWali:
We are more interested in yoruba not jumping the queue than in Igbo presidency.
It is not your turn buddy.

You must be made to take a sit until you embrace equity.

You are free to vote for whosoever you like but others too have the same right to vote for whosoever they like.

However if your decisions fail to achieve your expectations, don't call anybody 'back stabbers' or 'Betrayers'.



Thanks.

Whiteangel1234:
Yorubas disowning Obasanjo just to clinch power in 2023 .. You dont expect Igbos to Leave Yoruba candidate of PDP and Vote local Lagos based ACN Party candidate ? be serious please even currently Nigeria have plenty party but we are only discussing about PDP and APC


Yes !! Power Rotation is not in the constitution meaning even the North Have the Right To contest and continue with presidency in 2023 but if we decide that Equity Demand it rotate then fairness and justice means it must first come to either South East or South South before ever coming to South West again that is atleast another 18 years

There is no political party called 'North+ SE+SS'




Political parties account for 70% of the factors needed to win the presidential election.




If Tinubu or Osinbajo or Fashola wins APC ticket in 2023, the APC will defeat Atiku/PDP.

WeneWali:
Oga stop deceiving yourself, if per chance, ommision or commision yoruba picks the presidential ticket in APC (which is not even cast in gold). You are facing the north+SE+SS in opposition.

Get it very clear.

Let's assume that all these you said are true about the Yorubas but all these can't still lead to




Igbo Presidency.

WeneWali:
Oga forgerrit! The rest of the south will suffer terribly if yoruba grabs power again. After misruling this country for 8 years as Pres. and 8 as VP.

The yorubas have not hidden their wicked agenda for the rest of the south. It is naturally the SE turn and SS will support them. If the SE is denied the tickets and zoning disrepected, let it remain in the north, since zoning is dead and buried.

There is nothing these chest-beating yorubas like grayoso can do about it. They are conditioned to follow and not lead. We saw it during the war, we saw it when Awo lost election severally. We saw it when MKO, his wife, Dele giwa etc were all killed by the north. Kwara has been in the hands of fulanis for donkey years, what did you do? Nothing! Siddon look mugu! yorubas are all bark and no bite.

They can go to blazes when they lose, since they don't belive in equity. They have no clean hands.

Bros calm down, this is democracy.


There are many reasons why people for vote for a presidential candidate in an election or vote against a candidate.
In Nigeria, these include;

1) Tribal sentiments
2) Religious sentiments
3) Political party affiliations
4) Political opponents/Alternatives
5) Personality that can determine acceptability
6) Personal Gains (economic & political gains of the voters)
7) Experience
Others

In 2023, your reason for not voting let's say Osinbajo or Fashola will be tribal sentiments that a Yoruba candidate will prolong the chances of an Igbo becoming the president.
This is a valid reason for YOU and many people who think like that.

However, everyother person don't necessarily share this view, even in the SE/SS.
Some people will vote for Osinbajo instead of voting for Atiku because he is a Christian, some will say they want a younger president while some will say they want to vote for the ruling party etc

WeneWali:
Oga forgerrit! The rest of the south will suffer terribly if yoruba grabs power again. After misruling this country for 8 years as Pres. and 8 as VP.

The yorubas have not hidden their wicked agenda for the rest of the south. It is naturally the SE turn and SS will support them. If the SE is denied the tickets and zoning disrepected, let it remain in the north, since zoning is dead and buried.

There is nothing these chest-beating yorubas like grayoso can do about it. They are conditioned to follow and not lead. We saw it during the war, we saw it when Awo lost election severally. We saw it when MKO, his wife, Dele giwa etc were all killed by the north. Kwara has been in the hands of fulanis for donkey years, what did you do? Nothing! Siddon look mugu! yorubas are all bark and no bite.

They can go to blazes when they lose, since they don't belive in equity. They have no clean hands.

You don't seems to understand the politics of Presidential elections.

1) You have to win the presidential primaries of your party before getting their ticket.

2) An Igbo candidate MUST defeat other contestants before getting the presidential election.

3) Right now, there is no front line Igbo candidates in the presidential race for both APC and PDP tickets ,so how can you win if you don't contest?

#Stop blaming the Yorubas for the political woes of the Igbos for a day and ponder on this facts.

gidgiddy:
So you guys actually think that the SS and SE will watch the SW clinch what will be their 'third term' when the other two zones either had one term or not at all. How did you people think the SS or SE would support this blatant cheating?

In 2023, everyone including the North will go for the Presidency and we shall see if all the votes in SW can make them President.

You guys approach purely political issues from emotional views.


1) The emergence of the APC as a major political party in 2013 has made it difficult for PDP zoning formula to automatically work all the time.

2) No political party willingly field a candidate that will be easy to defeat.

The APC knows that fielding an Igbo candidate will make it very easy for the PDP to defeat it come 2023.
This is NOT because of the Yorubas .

3) Even if no Yoruba contest for the Presidency in 2023, an Igbo candidate will still not win the presidential election.

manuelreports:
While Not
Are ever going to go against your slave master
Hell No
But one thing I am sure, Hausas will not mind to return the power to Igbos than South West. This your by force alignment with the Hausas will not work, they don't like you and will never. Just stay close to them and see how they see you guys as potential slaves. They will even tell you that their only match in Nigeria is Igbo.
Keep aligning while they keep advancing into your territory.
Ilorin has fallen
Lagos is partly no longer Yoruba State because it is just a matter of time before either Igbos in Ojo, Amuwo Odofin or Hausas in Agege will produce the next Governor of Lagos State.