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durangokid:
. They are just the Tinubu created group, we know their game, an old dated gimmick

I know it!

I know some of you guys will still blame Tinubu for this, as if Tinubu is an all powerful spirit over Igbo matters.

Omodua:
Chill my Friend. Better advice your mentor Tinubu not to delve into murky waters of presidential ambition. He should be Godfather to ambitious people. He has seen it all. Let him anoint instead of nursing the ambition. Maybe, he has more money to waste! My Take.

It's better that Tinubu pursue his presidential ambition to a logical conclusion. This will enrich our democratic culture and help to define how we want to run it.

VaselineCrew:
They are demons bro! People like that seunmsg guy.

We are talking about a country were people can’t even get government water, yet, they still choose the most corrupt local champions to continue the disaster.

Nigerians men, with their thick and hard coconut heads!! It’s sad! Beyond sad!

Instead of complaining about the choice of other citizens, it's better to start canvassing for votes for your preferred candidate so that greater number of voters can be support your candidate.

baralatie:
So to offer prayer to God that banditry.boko Haram,economic depression to stop in Nigeria.isnot worth it.
It is 2023 presidential ambition that you are supporting

All these were parts of the prayer points.

Penguin2:
Jonathan did more than this and still lost.

He got all Yoruba Obas to point their staff at him (don’t if they laid curse on him then since he doesn’t understand Yoruba ).

He knelt down at David Oyedepo’s alter.

The witches association endorsed him.

But nothing came out.

I just wanted to remind Tinubu urchins before they start rejoicing.

Nobody becomes a president of a Nation unless he/she is pre-destined.


Jonathan was destined by God to become the leader of the greatest country in Africa.


If it's part of the destiny of Tinubu to be president, he will be. . .the God-factor is the ultimate decider.

meccuno:
All these agricultural produce won't give you the necessary forex to sustain a country the way Oil does. No country survives effectively selling kolanuts. Better look at the bigger picture.

CRUDE oil is a raw material ,which Nigeria is selling in it's raw form to get Forex, to import finished materials like drugs, vehicles, designers wears, chocolate etc.


All these Agricultural raw materials can be turned to semi-finished or even finished goods to get Forex or even get the goods we need without going through Forex e.g if we can plant thousands of acres of sugar canes, we can harvest them and refine the canes to produce sugars for our domestic and industrial consumption without the need for Forex.
The bye-products from the refining of sugar can become raw materials for the production of Fish and poultry feeds.

Unlike the oil industry that doesn't employ many of our people, these Agricultural based industries will employe so many people in different parts of the country.

The amount of money we use to import goods, derived from these Agricultural produce is far higher than whatever we receive as rents/royalties by the International oil companies for extracting and exporting our crude oil.

myobjective:
The guy has serious inferiority complex. He doesn't speak for majority of Kogi west people who Yorubas.

I was born in the north and being from Ondo state (though mother from Ilorin) but since I stay and more used to my Ikare side, I tends to speak Ikare dialect more.

You may not know though if I switched to the general Yoruba because I grew up among people from Oyo and Osun state but these groups still find a way to ridicule my Ikare dialect when Is speak it to family men.
I'm not really ashamed to speak the Ikare dialect and I make it a point to explain to them that Ondo,Ekiti,Ijebu and Okun dialects are closer to proto Yoruba language than Oyo dialect that has shown my innovation due to their closeness with Nupes, Borugu etc.

The general Yoruba language is a modification of the dialect of Oyo which because of the legacy of the Oyo Empire was the most widely spoken when the Yoruba orthography were formulated.

It however should be noted that Oyo Empire included non-Yoruba peoples and had close interactions with highest number of other peoples like Nupe, Hausa, Songhai, Malians, Fulani, Ewe and Fon.
In the process , their languages was influenced by all these peoples e.g The now accepted Yoruba name for


Prayer = Adura (old Yoruba= Iwure)

Priest= Alufa (old Yoruba= Abore)

sirwilly5:
You know nothing of the Yoruba's in Kogi. Their language is total different with little similarity to the Yoruba's of the south west.
The Kabba people speak okun while the Amoro people speak yagba.
Same thing with the Igbo in rivers and delta.
Am from Kaduna pls but a constant traveller.
Thank you

You don't fully understand Yoruba language.


Even the Yoruba language spoken by the Indigenes of Atakpame, Togo (Ife-Togo) in the short You-tube video below can be understood by any Yoruba man with deep understanding of the language, how much more a closer dialect like Yagba or Owe dialect spoken in Kogi State.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNc7F2iw0tc




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNc7F2iw0tc

aribisala0:
If you do not understand the issues it is better to shut up rather than try to show yourself.
Define "downhill"
Water will flow along the line of least resistance driven by gravity. That could be West to East , North to South or vice versa. The person I quoted implied North to South is downhill.


The issue is that downhill does not mean North to South. Do not just interject yourself in other people's conversation because you feel you must talk

Bros, calm down. This is 2022.



We are saying the same thing.

aribisala0:
What do you mean by downhill.
You might need geography lessons too as you appear to have half knowledge which is more dangerous than no knowledge.

The course of the river Niger is a matter of fact . Nothing to do with "downhill"
As a matter of fact for several kilometres after its origin in Guinea the River Niger flows northwards before turning southwards

FYI and education

The North is not "UP" and the South "DOWN" . Those are arbitrary specifications. just like East and West or writing from left to right. If you look at older maps the "north" was at the top and vice versa

It is funny how many people believe that
The North pole is the TOP OF THE WORLD and the South Pole is AT THE BOTTOM
There are rivers that flow from south to north e.g. The NILE

The question of "downhill" is ignorant.

The guy is correct, water flow downhill. However, downhill does NOT necessarily mean South.


In the case of River Niger, the River flow downhill along a North-South direction from the in-land Delta to the coastal Delta. Ironically, it flow downhill from South to North from it's origin in the Guinean highlands to the in-land Delta around Gao.

meccuno:
What makes Nigeria ? Oil. Without it, it's as good as dead. If the Igbos secede, the Nigeri Delta would want to have their own country. Not like I care. So definitely would affect Nigeria.

Let's assume that Niger-Delta and it's oil secede, will the people ;

1) Rearing cattle, goats and sheep stop working?

2) Will the people planting sugar cane, rice, beans, onions, pepper, ginger stop working?

3) Will the timber , cocoa, kolanuts business stop?
4) Will the production of eggs and poultry products end?

Rexwalters1:
Still blaming after 22 years of ruling yourself? Traits of a failure, at least you are still a bit better than some that blame Sir Frederick Lugard of 1914.

You don't understand politics of Nationhood.


Political decisions taken by the Romans about 2000 years ago to expel the Jews from Judea and renane the territory (after the worst enemies of the Jew) as Palestina is still having reverberating consequences till today.

The union of Wales with England over 700 years ago still have consequences for both countries till date.

The invasion of Korea by the super-powers about 70years still have consequences.



In Nigeria, the present political structure that's highly centralized causing undue tension was done by the military.


Today, we are still talking about removal of subsidy on Petroleum products because the military created a monster called NNPC and saddled the FG with the responsibilities of exploring, refining, importing ,distributing and selling petroleum products at the same price all over a vast country like Nigeria.

juman:
Ijebu are not children of oduduwa. He said.

That's fine.
All of us came from Adam and eve.

*Adam and Eve were the ancestors of the Jewish people but NOT the ancestors of the whole world.

1) Oduduwa was NOT a Yoruba man.
There was nothing like Yoruba during his time.

2) Not all Yorubas descended from Oduduwa. In fact, only certain royal families and their extended families descended from Oduduwa.

3) Oduduwa being referred to as the father of the Yorubas is largely a figurative expression.

At best, he was the founder of the largest and most enduring dynasties among those who later formed the Yoruba people.

4) Ile-Ife, Ijero, Ire and several towns in the S/West existed before Oduduwa.

Around 2013, an archeaological excavation just outside Iresi, a small town in Osun State revealed the remnants of a 5000 year old Community.

Dbboy:
[b][/b][b][/b]Am curious and would love to know should the Eastern part of Nigeria Dam River Niger what would be the Negative impact on upper North, that require this water for survival and could this lead to the actual demise of state that depend on the flow of this water.

What's the direction of flow of River Niger?

Is River Niger flowing from North to South or it's flowing from the South up North?


Think deeply sir.

juman:
Oba sikiru adetona said ijebu are from sudan, they are not yoruba.

Oba Adetona gave an account of the origin of his lineage from Sudan. There are Yorubas from what we now call Sudan, Ethiopia and several other African Kingdoms/Empires but over time, they have evolve a unique Yoruba identity.

sirwilly5:
Yea that's very true.
Have never disputed that, all am saying is that let's stop all this no Igbo in delta or rivers, they are just afraid of being marginalized like the others in the south east.
Ameachi says he is Igbo and Emeka Nzeogwu who started all this is also from delta yet same people who say deltas are not Igbo's blame the Igbos for the coup.
We young one are busy fighting ourselves while the old folks who experienced the war are dinning together without any case against themselves

The issues is about Kogi and the Yorubas in Kogi. It has nothing to do with Igbo or Delta/Rivers

sirwilly5:
That's not true, most of the Yoruba people of Kogi proudly claim to be Yoruba.
It's different from the Igbo type.
For the Igbo type, most just have some dialect of Igbo but not full language.

For the Yoruba Kogi, they speak full Yoruba, so why would they deny being Yoruba? If they don't claim Yoruba, which tribe would they proudly claim[/quote
You know nothing of the Yoruba's in Kogi. Their language is total different with little similarity to the Yoruba's of the south west.
The Kabba people speak okun while the Amoro people speak yagba.
Same thing with the Igbo in rivers and delta.
Am from Kaduna pls but a constant traveller.
Thank you

You don't have deep knowledge about what you are discussing.


* There is no language called Okun. Okun is the way ways Yorubas salute each other while working and it literally mean 'strength'

The word Okun was adopted based on the suggestions of the ace Historian, Prof Ade Obayemi and other elites from the old Kabba province as a name to identify certain Yoruba speaking people of the province that share close relationships.


There are other people that also speak Yoruba language in addition to thier distinct languages in Kogi but have assimilated substantial Nupe and Ebira population and thus consider themselves non-okun e.g Oworo and the Ogori-mangogo people respectively.

However, the most important issue is , do Okun people consider themselves as Yoruba?

The answer is an overwhelming YES.

Blaze14k:
During the time of civil war that lasted for three years (1967-1970) was due to a disagreement on aburi accord meeting. In article 8 of the aburi accord general Gowon made... should i say a deliberate declaration. The really offending clauses of the decree were sections 70 and 71 of article 8 which empowered the military council to declare a state of emergency in Nigeria, if the Head of State and at least three of the Governors agreed to do so. Section 71 also empowered the Head of state in agreement with at least three Governors to legislate for any particular region whenever they deemed it fit during a state of emergency, with or without the consent of the Governor of that particular region. In effect, Gowon had taken power unto himself to deal with Ojukwu whenever he pleased, how he pleased and as long as he pleased.

Since that very time up till now everybody is scared of having an igbo president. Are we monsters that everybody is scared of us? If you dont want us to rule then allow us to conduct a referendum but you still say NO. So many times people in this forum say igbos dont have respect, we insult people alot therefore we dont deserve to produce a president from our region. Just look at how we are scattered all over the country creating major impact in economy yet for some reason we cant be trusted. What is the major insecurity up north if not the mineral resources but you call if farmers herders clash. Just yesterday the president ordered for six months progress report on solid mineral. Gold is being mined for several years up north with no accountability but when an igbo person talk about presidency everybody will on there fit to push us down.

So i am asking what have we done to deserve this level of mockery?

There's no mockery anywhere.

If an Igbo wins the presidential primaries of a major polital part, he can win.

christejames:
Congratulations but I am not happy with them, at least they should have made our generation to witness coup/junta within the last 6yrs...


Oops! I forgot, Nigerian generals now come with big paunch stomaches AKA potbellies , those ones no fit penetrate Aso Rock with that Belle.

Nigeria witnessed Coups and Junta in the past.
The military intervention in Nigeria's democratic journey is the major cause of the problems of the country.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
All over the world including Europe and America if Nigerians are so educated why do they vote for criminals and fellow criminals all over the world. Look at the Nigerian senators in America American news channels and making documentaries of their villages and laughing at them no water no electricity at 70% of the youth in their villages are unemployed but Nigerians in America voted for these people so can you see we are educated when there are a million people better to vote for. A problem in this country is illiteracy. We believe we are educated but in every statistics we cannot even pass rather we go and elect criminals and follow criminals abroad

Your grammar is bad and there's no way you can pass IELTS with this level of bad grammar.

You need to improve on it in 2022.

AntonVince:
Aren't there also Nigerian citizens in the North who are Christians? So, what happens if anyone of them aspires for presidency too?

The north has utterly rejected the idea of a Northern Christian VP candidate...just a VP o, not even a presidential candidate yet you want the largely Christian South not to only accept one Muslim handing over to another after 8 years, but also to embrace a Muslim-Muslim ticket that could potentially ensure 24 straight years of Muslim leadership. That seems fair to you, right?.

My stand is a capital NO to involvement of religions in Government.
It only became a great issue after 1986 when Nigeria joined the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) and it hasn't brought us any good at all.


In the old Western Region, Awolowo and his deputy Premier and chosen, successor, SLA Akintola were both Christians.


In the Second Republic, Gov Lateef Jakande and Deputy Gov Rafiu Jafojo were both Muslims and nobody raised any eyebrows. Their Administration is the best in the history of Lagos State.


Gen Gowon and his deputy, Admiral Adewale Wey were both Christians.


1983 Dec 31-1985 Aug-27: Gen Muhammadu Buhari and his deputy, Gen Tunde Idiagbon were muslims.

In the 1979 presidential election, Awolowo & Emeadu ran on the plateform of the UPN and nearly won the election if not for the Judicial intervention with it's 12 two-third controversy.

Laggafin:
I repeat we not begging for the right thing to be done.. y'all should only brace up for the implications and the by product of injustice that will surely become louder and go over choke.. A word is enough for the Wise

Calm down Bros, only Ignorance candidates will win in the presidential primaries.

All other Southern candidates are not planning to win but just participating to give the Primaries democratic colourations.

Laggafin:
It's not ogbonnaya obi .. but ogbonnaya onu my friend .. and pls don't quote me out of context cause u want to make lame argument.. igbos are not threatening any Oda ethnic nationality in dis country ..All we saying is what is just is fair to all.. you can't keep shifting the goal post all de time all in bid to shortchange a major ethnic stock that makes up de diverse ethnic nations here.. whether u like it or yes .. the major parties in Nigeria and Oda ethnic groups including the igbos microzoned the presidency to the South West in 1999 .. as result of the fall out from Abiola incaceration and death by the military junta.. Onu and ekueme coming out to contest in de various parties at de time wasn't that they felt they wil win.. it's just to give the contest a democratic colouring .. but the eventual votes in the primaries of the 2 major parties showed votes including that of the Igbo delegates overwhelming voting for the South West candidates.. that produced olu falae and obasanjo in the both dominant parties at the time.. it was not by stroke of luck that this occurrence happened but a deliberate action to pacify the South West.. so pls you guys should stop twisting or turning history on its head cuz Y'All just love to hate this great and industrious tribe .. that has grown from Ash to grace in so short a time to your bewilderment.. That's the truth .. and we know it

Okay, we have heard and just like in 1999, other southerners contesting in the primaries of both APC and PDP aren't doing so because they won't to win but just to give the process a democratic outlook. Only Igbo candidates will eventually emerge.

louqas:
You are the pathetic one.
You dont have to like Tinubu....but you can never deny anyone the right to love or hate him....God no give you that power....neither did any law book

See....whoever you support can be called thousands of names.....its part of the game.
Gej was called all sort of names that didnt stop 11million from voting for him....so continue your name calling....what matters is results from the polls

The is the most matured and intelligent post on this thread!

AntonVince:
I normally wouldn't get myself involved in this sort of discourse but for the need to counter your drivels.
In 2011, GEJ won the presidential election despite losing in Bauchi, Borno, Gombe, Jigawa, Kaduna, Kano, Katsina, Kebbi, Niger, Osun, Sokoto, Yobe and Zamfara states . Buhari cleared them all.

Can we then infer that the North West and North East are inconsequential in national elections?

That wasn't what he was saying.

He meant that irrespective of who is flying the APC ticket, the party can't win in the S/E, Taraba, Benue and Plateau States.

favor914:
They will not, MKO Abiola’s dilemma comes to mind.

That is why Bola Ahmed Tinubu Presidential candidacy is dead on arrival, Jagaban ought to know better, but I guess he has been blinded by the lure of power?

Try to think deeply and outside the box, beyond Jagaban.


Are there Nigerian citizens in the South who are Muslims? So what should happen if anyone of these decides to run for the presidency?

Landmack:
The ever filled Oji river is there for Lazy Enugu govt to utilize and help fix her water problem but no,the stuffed up whale of a Governor is busy handing the state over to God. God’s even tired

This shit can never happen in Anambra and our big guys go dey sit don look. Mbanu nu

This Enugu water issue always takes the headline every year and it is becoming embarrassing. If Ugwuanyi is helpless,he should speak OUT!

Water is a basic necessity

In Nigeria, most people think that Government should do certain things for them like

* provision of portable water
*provision of electricity
* Education
*Health services etc

In this era, Government alone can play this roles well. There is an urgent need to concession the provision of portable water to the private water companies.

blamingthedevil:
You are making excuses for government. If 1000 public boreholes are done every year since Independence, will that not have aleviated the sufferings of the masses?

And do you know that 1000 bore holes in a small geographical area like Enugu can trigger an Earthquake?



The State Government can solve this problem by invititing private investors to build and manage water corporations around the metropolis, drawing water from large Rivers and using the techniques of water harvesting.

In4matic:
Reminds me of the day I drove through Enugu and encountered engine overheating.

I took a keg intending to fetch water from nearby houses/shops/filling stations.

Omo, the way they were looking at me like I was asking for some precious stone baffled me!

Like play, I couldn't get water anywhere, i had to drive it like that till I got to a supermarket and bought bottles of water to fill the radiator.

I got to appreciate my Niger Delta where water can never be a commodity hoarded by anyone...

And they come online to chest beat all the time .

An ewedu guzzling Afonja that's envious of Enugu, the city of self-made Billionaires is spotted.

Investigative:
Where is the richest region and economically balance region in Nigeria?fixed
One man riches doesn’t affect a region is meaningless

Based on many available statistics, it's the SW.

kettykings:
What of the Fulani herdsmen that has been slaughtering and destroying farm lands for more than 15 years, did it stop people from voting Buhari?

Will it affect the support for Atiku in 2023?

JOemmy:
This is just politics for the vp position the north and the west still sees wike as an Igbo man they can't vote for him to become president of nigeria just like they won't support any other Igbo man in the core five igbo speaking states.

You wrongly assume that it is the North and the West that determine who should be Igbo or who shouldn't be.