₦airaland Forum

Dbboy:
[b][/b][b][/b]Am curious and would love to know should the Eastern part of Nigeria Dam River Niger what would be the Negative impact on upper North, that require this water for survival and could this lead to the actual demise of state that depend on the flow of this water.

What's the direction of flow of River Niger?

Is River Niger flowing from North to South or it's flowing from the South up North?


Think deeply sir.

juman:
Oba sikiru adetona said ijebu are from sudan, they are not yoruba.

Oba Adetona gave an account of the origin of his lineage from Sudan. There are Yorubas from what we now call Sudan, Ethiopia and several other African Kingdoms/Empires but over time, they have evolve a unique Yoruba identity.

sirwilly5:
Yea that's very true.
Have never disputed that, all am saying is that let's stop all this no Igbo in delta or rivers, they are just afraid of being marginalized like the others in the south east.
Ameachi says he is Igbo and Emeka Nzeogwu who started all this is also from delta yet same people who say deltas are not Igbo's blame the Igbos for the coup.
We young one are busy fighting ourselves while the old folks who experienced the war are dinning together without any case against themselves

The issues is about Kogi and the Yorubas in Kogi. It has nothing to do with Igbo or Delta/Rivers

sirwilly5:
That's not true, most of the Yoruba people of Kogi proudly claim to be Yoruba.
It's different from the Igbo type.
For the Igbo type, most just have some dialect of Igbo but not full language.

For the Yoruba Kogi, they speak full Yoruba, so why would they deny being Yoruba? If they don't claim Yoruba, which tribe would they proudly claim[/quote
You know nothing of the Yoruba's in Kogi. Their language is total different with little similarity to the Yoruba's of the south west.
The Kabba people speak okun while the Amoro people speak yagba.
Same thing with the Igbo in rivers and delta.
Am from Kaduna pls but a constant traveller.
Thank you

You don't have deep knowledge about what you are discussing.


* There is no language called Okun. Okun is the way ways Yorubas salute each other while working and it literally mean 'strength'

The word Okun was adopted based on the suggestions of the ace Historian, Prof Ade Obayemi and other elites from the old Kabba province as a name to identify certain Yoruba speaking people of the province that share close relationships.


There are other people that also speak Yoruba language in addition to thier distinct languages in Kogi but have assimilated substantial Nupe and Ebira population and thus consider themselves non-okun e.g Oworo and the Ogori-mangogo people respectively.

However, the most important issue is , do Okun people consider themselves as Yoruba?

The answer is an overwhelming YES.

Blaze14k:
During the time of civil war that lasted for three years (1967-1970) was due to a disagreement on aburi accord meeting. In article 8 of the aburi accord general Gowon made... should i say a deliberate declaration. The really offending clauses of the decree were sections 70 and 71 of article 8 which empowered the military council to declare a state of emergency in Nigeria, if the Head of State and at least three of the Governors agreed to do so. Section 71 also empowered the Head of state in agreement with at least three Governors to legislate for any particular region whenever they deemed it fit during a state of emergency, with or without the consent of the Governor of that particular region. In effect, Gowon had taken power unto himself to deal with Ojukwu whenever he pleased, how he pleased and as long as he pleased.

Since that very time up till now everybody is scared of having an igbo president. Are we monsters that everybody is scared of us? If you dont want us to rule then allow us to conduct a referendum but you still say NO. So many times people in this forum say igbos dont have respect, we insult people alot therefore we dont deserve to produce a president from our region. Just look at how we are scattered all over the country creating major impact in economy yet for some reason we cant be trusted. What is the major insecurity up north if not the mineral resources but you call if farmers herders clash. Just yesterday the president ordered for six months progress report on solid mineral. Gold is being mined for several years up north with no accountability but when an igbo person talk about presidency everybody will on there fit to push us down.

So i am asking what have we done to deserve this level of mockery?

There's no mockery anywhere.

If an Igbo wins the presidential primaries of a major polital part, he can win.

christejames:
Congratulations but I am not happy with them, at least they should have made our generation to witness coup/junta within the last 6yrs...


Oops! I forgot, Nigerian generals now come with big paunch stomaches AKA potbellies , those ones no fit penetrate Aso Rock with that Belle.

Nigeria witnessed Coups and Junta in the past.
The military intervention in Nigeria's democratic journey is the major cause of the problems of the country.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
All over the world including Europe and America if Nigerians are so educated why do they vote for criminals and fellow criminals all over the world. Look at the Nigerian senators in America American news channels and making documentaries of their villages and laughing at them no water no electricity at 70% of the youth in their villages are unemployed but Nigerians in America voted for these people so can you see we are educated when there are a million people better to vote for. A problem in this country is illiteracy. We believe we are educated but in every statistics we cannot even pass rather we go and elect criminals and follow criminals abroad

Your grammar is bad and there's no way you can pass IELTS with this level of bad grammar.

You need to improve on it in 2022.

AntonVince:
Aren't there also Nigerian citizens in the North who are Christians? So, what happens if anyone of them aspires for presidency too?

The north has utterly rejected the idea of a Northern Christian VP candidate...just a VP o, not even a presidential candidate yet you want the largely Christian South not to only accept one Muslim handing over to another after 8 years, but also to embrace a Muslim-Muslim ticket that could potentially ensure 24 straight years of Muslim leadership. That seems fair to you, right?.

My stand is a capital NO to involvement of religions in Government.
It only became a great issue after 1986 when Nigeria joined the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) and it hasn't brought us any good at all.


In the old Western Region, Awolowo and his deputy Premier and chosen, successor, SLA Akintola were both Christians.


In the Second Republic, Gov Lateef Jakande and Deputy Gov Rafiu Jafojo were both Muslims and nobody raised any eyebrows. Their Administration is the best in the history of Lagos State.


Gen Gowon and his deputy, Admiral Adewale Wey were both Christians.


1983 Dec 31-1985 Aug-27: Gen Muhammadu Buhari and his deputy, Gen Tunde Idiagbon were muslims.

In the 1979 presidential election, Awolowo & Emeadu ran on the plateform of the UPN and nearly won the election if not for the Judicial intervention with it's 12 two-third controversy.

Laggafin:
I repeat we not begging for the right thing to be done.. y'all should only brace up for the implications and the by product of injustice that will surely become louder and go over choke.. A word is enough for the Wise

Calm down Bros, only Ignorance candidates will win in the presidential primaries.

All other Southern candidates are not planning to win but just participating to give the Primaries democratic colourations.

Laggafin:
It's not ogbonnaya obi .. but ogbonnaya onu my friend .. and pls don't quote me out of context cause u want to make lame argument.. igbos are not threatening any Oda ethnic nationality in dis country ..All we saying is what is just is fair to all.. you can't keep shifting the goal post all de time all in bid to shortchange a major ethnic stock that makes up de diverse ethnic nations here.. whether u like it or yes .. the major parties in Nigeria and Oda ethnic groups including the igbos microzoned the presidency to the South West in 1999 .. as result of the fall out from Abiola incaceration and death by the military junta.. Onu and ekueme coming out to contest in de various parties at de time wasn't that they felt they wil win.. it's just to give the contest a democratic colouring .. but the eventual votes in the primaries of the 2 major parties showed votes including that of the Igbo delegates overwhelming voting for the South West candidates.. that produced olu falae and obasanjo in the both dominant parties at the time.. it was not by stroke of luck that this occurrence happened but a deliberate action to pacify the South West.. so pls you guys should stop twisting or turning history on its head cuz Y'All just love to hate this great and industrious tribe .. that has grown from Ash to grace in so short a time to your bewilderment.. That's the truth .. and we know it

Okay, we have heard and just like in 1999, other southerners contesting in the primaries of both APC and PDP aren't doing so because they won't to win but just to give the process a democratic outlook. Only Igbo candidates will eventually emerge.

louqas:
You are the pathetic one.
You dont have to like Tinubu....but you can never deny anyone the right to love or hate him....God no give you that power....neither did any law book

See....whoever you support can be called thousands of names.....its part of the game.
Gej was called all sort of names that didnt stop 11million from voting for him....so continue your name calling....what matters is results from the polls

The is the most matured and intelligent post on this thread!

AntonVince:
I normally wouldn't get myself involved in this sort of discourse but for the need to counter your drivels.
In 2011, GEJ won the presidential election despite losing in Bauchi, Borno, Gombe, Jigawa, Kaduna, Kano, Katsina, Kebbi, Niger, Osun, Sokoto, Yobe and Zamfara states . Buhari cleared them all.

Can we then infer that the North West and North East are inconsequential in national elections?

That wasn't what he was saying.

He meant that irrespective of who is flying the APC ticket, the party can't win in the S/E, Taraba, Benue and Plateau States.

favor914:
They will not, MKO Abiola’s dilemma comes to mind.

That is why Bola Ahmed Tinubu Presidential candidacy is dead on arrival, Jagaban ought to know better, but I guess he has been blinded by the lure of power?

Try to think deeply and outside the box, beyond Jagaban.


Are there Nigerian citizens in the South who are Muslims? So what should happen if anyone of these decides to run for the presidency?

Landmack:
The ever filled Oji river is there for Lazy Enugu govt to utilize and help fix her water problem but no,the stuffed up whale of a Governor is busy handing the state over to God. God’s even tired

This shit can never happen in Anambra and our big guys go dey sit don look. Mbanu nu

This Enugu water issue always takes the headline every year and it is becoming embarrassing. If Ugwuanyi is helpless,he should speak OUT!

Water is a basic necessity

In Nigeria, most people think that Government should do certain things for them like

* provision of portable water
*provision of electricity
* Education
*Health services etc

In this era, Government alone can play this roles well. There is an urgent need to concession the provision of portable water to the private water companies.

blamingthedevil:
You are making excuses for government. If 1000 public boreholes are done every year since Independence, will that not have aleviated the sufferings of the masses?

And do you know that 1000 bore holes in a small geographical area like Enugu can trigger an Earthquake?



The State Government can solve this problem by invititing private investors to build and manage water corporations around the metropolis, drawing water from large Rivers and using the techniques of water harvesting.

In4matic:
Reminds me of the day I drove through Enugu and encountered engine overheating.

I took a keg intending to fetch water from nearby houses/shops/filling stations.

Omo, the way they were looking at me like I was asking for some precious stone baffled me!

Like play, I couldn't get water anywhere, i had to drive it like that till I got to a supermarket and bought bottles of water to fill the radiator.

I got to appreciate my Niger Delta where water can never be a commodity hoarded by anyone...

And they come online to chest beat all the time .

An ewedu guzzling Afonja that's envious of Enugu, the city of self-made Billionaires is spotted.

Investigative:
Where is the richest region and economically balance region in Nigeria?fixed
One man riches doesn’t affect a region is meaningless

Based on many available statistics, it's the SW.

kettykings:
What of the Fulani herdsmen that has been slaughtering and destroying farm lands for more than 15 years, did it stop people from voting Buhari?

Will it affect the support for Atiku in 2023?

JOemmy:
This is just politics for the vp position the north and the west still sees wike as an Igbo man they can't vote for him to become president of nigeria just like they won't support any other Igbo man in the core five igbo speaking states.

You wrongly assume that it is the North and the West that determine who should be Igbo or who shouldn't be.

JOemmy:
I bet u if any Igbo person becomes president of nigeria all these groups denying their igbo identity will definitely retrace their steps immediately.

Why and how?

The most talked about Person in Nigeria-------> Tinubu.

Penguin2:
And that majority will definitely never be the Tinubu side.

Well, only INEC can tell us this.

yunqdady:
They might have a Yoruba root, and Facebook isn't what you should used in judging.
Nothing Yorubaish about their language called Oko. Even Some Ebira bear Yoruba names, does that make them Yoruba?
Only Okun should be called Yoruba but as an Okun boy who has lived in South West before, I chose not to be called Yoruba cos of the tribalistic nature of Yoruba people. They don't know the difference between Ebira and Okun. To them, anybody from Kogi is Ebira and they say that in a condescending manner like you are inferior.
How is Ebira and Okun the same? No similarity. Yet those uninformed tribalistic bigots would open their dirty mouths to talk down on you like they are better. No matter how horrible or poor they are, they automatically have this energy to feel superior to you. Nonsense.

So why should I associate myself with such stupid people?
I like how Kabba people don't like being called Yoruba. It's Yagba people that you would see claiming Yoruba.
I only fill Yoruba on paper or when I want to avoid explaining.

I never said anybody should be called Yoruba or anything.


Ethnic Identities are SELF IDENTITIES...we are who we say we are.

emmykk:
And a Yoruba prophet self

Prophesy has no tribe sir, it's a message from God.

Penguin2:
Again I tell you that Buhari would easily win votes in the East if he seeks third term than Tinubu winning any vote in the East.

I know the asinine hatred of Igbos to Tinubu doesn’t make sense to you.

That is same way it didn’t make sense to us that Tinubu would support Buhari, who represents everything bad about the north( imperialism, religious fanaticism, etc), to power in 2015.

Tinubu chose Buhari over a fellow southerner.

In 2023, we will tell him that two can play the game.

As it stands, we don’t even care if we don’t even get the Vice Presidential slot anymore as long as it will help to ensure Tinubu doesn’t get the presidency.

Politics is about interests and these interests come into play during elections.


Your interest in the presidential election is limited to preventing Tinubu from becoming the president. This is a valid interest. . .for YOU


However, for several other peoples, they are other interests they wish to protect or see that materialize.

APC/Tinubu victory will affect some people negatively and benefit some people too.
Those who stand to be benefit will work for the Victory of their candidate/ party. At the end of the day, majority will carry the day.

yunqdady:
Ogori isn't Yoruba nor Okun. They are stand alone. They just bear Yoruba names. They have distinct language too.

Ogori is a mixture of Yoruba +Ebira.

If you go to their group Facebook page, most of them identify as Yorubas. They don't learn Yoruba before speaking the language in addition to their distinct language.

I know one family from Ogori.


The case of Ogori-mangogo illustrate an important point that most commentators on Nairaland often fail to acknowledge; there are always areas of overlap in ethnic homelands.



Kogi State is like a mini-Nigeria with many tribes.

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emmykk:
The next president is coming from the north because Tinubu cannot stop a southern president and also expect to be president.

For there to be any southern president there must be a deliberate effort of the yoruba to support the igbo. That I do not see.

So the north will capitalized on that division to takeover from Buhari. Even APC ticket for TINUBU will be very dicey if a Northern is on the race.

Let Tinubu win APC ticket first

The next president is Sen Anyim Pius Anyim.




A high powered prophesy has declared this recently

emmykk:
The problem with Tinubu is how will he a Muslim represent southern Nigeria which is predominantly christian just after buhari Buhari Muslim presidency just ended.
Will north president a christian VP for Tinubu?
Tinubu have provided 2 pastor as VP for the south before..These are some of the things bedeviling Tinubu presidency.

But Primate Ayodele has used Prophesy to remove Tinubu from the race, so the problems should be over.

NaijirianKing:
It's not about love, or emotions. Politics is a game of cold hard logic, and interests.

The problem with many supporters of that "man from Lagos" is that he is seeking to reap when it is not yet his time.

The SW has already gotten the presidency and VP positions respectively. The SW also currently holds considerable sway in the current administration and one can even say the SW is receiving the lion share of the infrastructural benefits.

The North under this high-jacked administration is suffering. Last week, 63 people were abducted in Kaduna and another 56 in Katsina, and 24 people abducted in Sokoto, the North is suffering because this administration was high-jacked by SW elements looking to divert all the resources to the south leaving the North in the condition we see today.

Essentially, this has turned into the administration which solely benefits the south, mainly the SW, leaving the North to be suffering most under a "Northern" president. Enough is enough....

Accordingly, the SW has had more than any other region in terms of being in the seat of power or close to power. We need to implement zoning, and the only zones yet to see the presidency are the NC and the NE.

Both of these regions are some of the worst hit in terms of neglect and this needs to be corrected in 2023. Preferably, and for equity sake, the NC should produce the presidency as it is yet to produce a president during this dispensation of democracy, instead the NC is constantly given party chairmen, when what is needed is the presidency.

We are quietly waiting for the primaries to be over, if the NC or NE doesn't emerge with the party ticket of APC, then PDP is always an option for the North, however the only problem with PDP is that they are leaning towards NE instead of rightfully allowing justice and the NC to produce the president.

he who comes for equity, must come with clean hands.

I can't just stop laughing.



64 people killed in Katsina, 22 passengers burnt alive by Bandits in Sokoto, 46 villages killed in Kaduna, the North is suffering and you are claiming this is caused by the S/West even when the President, Chief of Army Staff, Chief of Air Staff, National Security Adviser, Minister of Defence, Inspector-General of Police and C-G of Customs are all Northerners?

Laggafin:
Where are the head slamming cows and dia skull mining Afonjaa counterparts!! Shebi dem say igbos should negotiate .power isn't given ala carte bla bla bla.. dis one Anyim is doing now is what Thunder wen go wipe off una brains soon don finish press up

Start mobilizing for Sen Anyim Pius Anyim for president.

Bantu10:
Most Yorubas are smart by half. They don't want to recognize the aniomas of delta as igbos, but they want to recognize Okun people of Kogi state as yoruba.

In my candid opinion, every major ethnic group is an amalgamation of several tribes.


The civil war really affect the Igbos and make some tribes not to be comfortable with the igbo tag.

The clamour for Biafra by IPOB had renewed this mentality of these groups to want to point out all things that make them different from Igbo.


If there is sustained peace and prosperity for the next 100 years, certain tribes in southern Nigeria would have merged into one or tribal differences will be very minimal.

Bantu10:
Most Yorubas are smart by half. They don't want to recognize the aniomas of delta as igbos, but they want to recognize Okun people of Kogi state as yoruba.

Bros, nobody needs the recognition of others to exist sir.

Everybody know who they are.


Most Yorubas simply call anybody that comes from anywhere after Benin city 'omo-Ibo'.

Most Yorubas in real life don't even know anything called anioma or Ikwerre.