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AntonVince:
Another SWAGA cum Tinubu-sponsored hogwash.

What exactly does the North you so much hinge your electoral hope on stand to gain from a Tinubu candidacy?
...and so what if the party loses with Tinubu?
I mean how does the APC's post-2023 survival potentially benefit northerners?
The APC is just a political party...a vehicle for God's sake and not a religion!



With Buhari's ascension in 2015, the party has since achieved the fundamental purpose of its formation which was to oust GEJ and install a northerner.
The Bullion-Van criminal is the only person so desperate for the APC's survival all for his selfish, greed-driven ambition.

Atiku will most likely fly the PDP's ticket in 2023 and will definitely win the north...including most APC-controlled states.
Nobody owes Tinubu nothing!

Let me explain party politics to you.

1) Everybody has one or two Personal interests in politics.

2) What we call collective interests is actually a summation of several personal interests.

3) Political parties give politicians and the electorates the vehicles to actualize their personal interests.

4) ordinary masses like you most likely don't directly benefit anything from the political parties, so your interests is often limited to sentimental feelings that 'our tribe/region' is in power or the tribe/Region that we hate is not in power.

5) However, real politicians stand to directly benefit from the victories of a particular party or the other and they always work to ensure their parties win.
For instance, if PDP should win the presidential election, the chances of APC candidates to become Senate President or win Governorship or Senatorial elections will greatly diminish.

Many Northern politicians who worked against their party, the PDP also lost their political relevance in their States, though majority of the Northern heavy duty politicians have crossed to the APC by Dec,2014.



For the PDP to win in 2023, a sizable chunk of the APC need to decamp to the PDP.

slimghost:
If Tinubu is really your choice of candidate, then there is something wrong with you.
A deeply corrupt individual whose anti democratic values have ensured the absence of free and fair elections in Lagos state for decades.
A man that keeps looting Lagos blind till today and nepotistic to a fault. Go and read about his senator wife, his Iyaloja daughter and his son.
Nigeria is really cursed for some humans to even think up this man’s name as a presidential candidate.

Who is your choice for the presidency?

Kriss216:
You're right. APC might give the ticket to SS or SE to finish Tinubu patapata. This move will make the SW neutral in 2023 election.

The North will win via Atiku.

This is the situation we were trying to avoid in 2015 and 2019, but, the Yorubas were calling us 3rd class citizens, that we don't know how to play politics.

No one should talk about Southern unity until after the 2023 elections. We must learn the hard way.

And after Atiku has won, what do you think will happen to politicians in the APC?

BabbanBura:
Mark my word, APC will give the ticket to Igbos to spite Tinubu (Yorubas) but the whole North will support Atiku against the Igbo candidate. This way, the Igbos will have only votes from the east alone, likewise the Yoruba votes largely from west alone because these two regions wont vote for each other. The north will vote Atiku across parties and give him the victory!

Exception to this is if Igbos and Yorubas will unite to support an Igbo candidate but this can never happen in Nigeria, atleast not in 2023.

However, if Tinubu drops his greedy ambition and push forward Osibanjo or Adeshina (AFDB guy), then even the north will have divided votes for Atiku and the APC will surely win whoever the PDP fields be it Atiku or an Igbo man

You don't really understand democracy and party politics.


Tinubu should pursue his presidential ambition to logical conclusion and damn all consequences.


Our political parties will be more matured if any candidate can contest for the party's tickets unhindered. Those who don't win today can win tomorrow.


Candidates freely participating in presidential elections will inspire future generations that the ballot box is the appropriate route to seek elective positions while we continue to evolve better systems.




The prevailing opinions that make virtually all discussions about the 2023 limited to Tinubu is unhealthy for the country.

Zimmermann:
that's a lie! Power had better remain in the north, Atiku and Tambuwal, than to have tinubu. A tinubu administration will be worst than buhari's.

Okay, may be or may be not.



However which of the problems facing Nigeria do you think will be solved by Tambuwal or Atiku and time what extent?

AustineE1:
Tinubu online urchins doing what they know how to do best. In the coming months watch out for the south west media painting Tinubu as the messiah. No matter how hard they try,Tinubu is not marketable, he is seen as an epitome of corruption(bullion van politics), both him and his family are power drunk.we have seen in the past how he maltreated those who don't dance to his tone and his wife's penchant for slapping notable men and often making derogatory statements against other ethnic groups.
The core north will never vote Tinubu,middle will not vote him,South east and south south are no go areas.
The earlier he smells the coffee the better for him.
If in anyway he gets the APC ticket,the north knows the game,PDP brings an Atiku or any other strong northerner,they north will ditch APC and line behind their son and the greater south who felt betrayed by Tinubu will never vote Tinubu. That I have seen. For Tinubu is a lose lose situation

Okay, after all these what next?

History555:
How would lgbo produce the president when this was first election after the war, even awo who contested no reach anywhere. Rubbish thread

Chief Mbadulike Amaechi, the Minister of Aviation in the First Republic and a great discipline of Zik, who once fought an assassin to save Zik in 1959 narrated the story of how Zik who initially scheduled to be the presidential flagbearer of the NPN ( the political party which later won the 1979 presidential election).

MyVILLAGEpeople:
Interesting write up. Zik is the major reason why Nigeria didn’t break up in the 50s when the North and West wanted to go their separate ways. Besides according to the write up Osadebe and Adegoke who had gone to celebrate with Azikiwe died in an accident on their way back home since the party didn’t hold. Infact Adegoke died in Ore with four other people. Is it a coincidence or what ?. Omo Naija politics don dey bloody tey tey oo

You didn't read it very clearly.


Agbaje who was a close friend of Adegoke Adelabu died with four others at Ore while coming from the aborted birthday.

Chief Denis Osadebe while returning from the aborted birthday had an accident and became paralyzed till his death about 20years later.

FarahAideed:
Lagos is the 5th largest economy partly because of the industriousness of a particular tribe...

You didn't answer the other parts of the questions sir.

How many kilometers of road had been constructed in Adamawa and Anambra States since 1999?

Sunday2021:
Okoro people again? Don't trust the okoros anytime anywhere.

Stop tribalism.

Kellibae:
Whala be like wetin again
Can u imagine and this backward illiterates will open their mouth to insult great igbo tribe..who are 100 years ahead of them

I don't even blame them they are illiterates but who I blame most are the yorubas who always shout "we are educated" yet the fulani illiterates is always using their brains to play anytime they feel like

What exactly bring Igbo into this thread?

yorubakid:
Instead of a Yoruba man will occupy aso rock in 2023 let shekau instead become our president..No yoruba president in 2023..they should go and rest and let others rule... Very selfish and greedy human being.. Any other person but Yoruba can become our president..I wonder who are even expecting to vote them

But a Fulani candidate can replace a Fulani candidate so that we can have 16 years of Fulani rule?

[quote author=Myexdisturbs post=108695261][/quote]I have been saying it for long on this forum, Anyim Pius Anyim is likely to be the next president.

Lashist:
Lol...heard you APC apologist/usher

I strongly believe that aboutbeing70% of the problems facing Nigeria right now can be solved through proper economic approaches.



Startaigning for the candidate that you think can solve the problems in the land, leave Party matters for members of the parties.
It is possible that he is the one to take Nigeria out of the woods.

Lashist:
Its funny you dont ever learn...i wasnt uncouth to you...now you have seen im neither apc nor pdp, nothing else for you to say ...just know there reasonable youths that dont support what you support...keep fighting for old cargoes...you won't gain anything and you'd suffer for it...im sure you also consider bubu as one of the best things to have happened to naija since you were born ...goodluck

What I consider or what I don't consider about Naija is irrelevant.

Try to hold the Government accountable and stop attacking other citizens who you don't even know on a faceless forum.

You don't need to be insulting people and making personal attacks just to express your views. This will not necessarily make Nigeria to be great, make people to believe in what you believe or becomes what you wish them to be.

The world is a complex place and people must have divergent views about everything.

Lashist:
Jesus...imagine such useless comments..you are making a great error in life to come out openly to be rooting for any politician...any one at all...you are APC and share same ideology...keep up with it but if the person you are rooting for doesnt know you, im sorry you are a mumu...its not nigerian politicians one should be fighting themselves for...this has been said severally on this platform...they dont care about you...they dont know you...you dont matter to them be it your lovely APC or corrupt PDP...if you are a young person and still come out to support politicians when you arent gaining anything directly from them, im sorry for you...you dont ever learn...you won't ever learn. Bro please i abeg you..dont mention me again..i dont want to argue with you..i beg you

Bros, stop this your uncouth culture of insulting people while making comments.

Ubanz:
Nothing but envy.
But "que sera sera"
Even SW never believed they could rule Nigeria democratically,Awolowo tried and failed,Abiola tried and died but Obasanjo was used to compensate the SW.

Every part of Nigeria can and will rule Nigeria if we remain the same country and continue democratic system of Government.

If the military hadn't intervened in Jan,1966 by now we would have become more mature in our democratic culture.



Democracy is a journey and not a destination.

Lashist:
i dont root or trust any of these politician.i cant defend any of them...if i want to vote any, I'd silently do so but coming out online or in public to say i trust or im rooting for any of them is extremely foolish of an average person considering how the country is...its only if you are a family member or a friend to them or they have given you some bribe that it'd make sense. Not to talk of me rooting for these old politicians..anyone that doesnt have a direct link to them but roots or trusts them na pure mumu...lol...keep rooting and trusting them ...some humans never learn

You are making a great error of judgement by thinking that those who campaign for a politician are doing so because they are gaining anything directly from him or they trust him with their lives.


By the way, you need to know that the present condition of Nigeria or any Nation is a consequence of the combined actions or inactions of all the people living in Nigeria or that Nation

wink2015:
Not that Reno Omokri doesn't not want an Igbo man to be President of Nigeria.

Reno being an intelligent man with his experience in government know most northerners will vote for Atiku.

Atiku has business interest in Lagos, port Harcourt, warri etc including other parts of Nigeria

He was a former vice president under Obasanjo.

The northerners that is the northern political elites are strongly against a president from the south east region.

Because of the advantages in terms of population that the north has in swinging the votes including the power of incumbency.

It is obvious the north has the leverage in deciding who become president of Nigeria.

The choice of Atiku for President might be related to Atiku pan Nigeria connection.
He has Yoruba,Igbo and northern wife.

As for the Igbo themselves they are not united.

Open the 2023 presidency to an Igbo born president they will continue to rush in their hundreds to pick up presidential forms.

The Anambra state elections which saw hundreds of aspirant playing do or die to campaign for a single public office and this was the test case of an aspirant who might be day dreaming of contesting the presidency.

The Igbo who join the national party should be comfortable with Atiku as president of Nigeria with Peter Obi as vice president.

It will be a mere wishful thinking for some Igbo to be thinking that 2023 presidency must be given to them on a platter of gold without the Igbo joining a national party to contribute their we quarter.

Apga as a south east party that is even limited to some south eastern states like Anambra state can not sell 2023 presidency to the extent that an Igbo man succeed to become president.

Who knows Peter Obi might succeed Atiku.

For the Yoruba they should know that it is not their turn having ruled Nigeria under Obasanjo government.

But they are bringing Tinubu that Buhari does not like the man Tinubu to succeed him

If it is Prof Yemi Osinbanjo vice president or Babatunde Fashola,works and housing minister, Ekiti state governor,
Kayode Fayemi the south west is putting forward they stand a brighter chance as far as 2023 presidency is concerned.

Tinubu does not stand a chance of becoming president because President Muhammadu Buhari is not comfortable with people nursing restructuring agenda and NADECO agenda.

The recent activities of IPOB which resulted in the burning of police station and the killing of security officers working for different security agencies has worsen the Igbo ability to sell their aspirant candidacy to the north.

The south south region does not have serious presidential aspirant as far as 2023 is concerned.

Ex-President Jonathan has been going to Asorock to lobby Buhari for the 2023 presidential office.

But Buhari does not seem to consider Jonathan aspiration as best for his interest or Nigeria.

From the first part of this post: are you saying an igbo candidate can't be elected as president because the Northerners don't want an igbo man?
And if this assertion is true, what makes you think that it will change after 2023?

Olakunleyakub:
Our brothers From the yeast won't talk now b
Because of hyprocisy but when others show their legitimate right of supporting tinubu is when their ethnic bashing will start as if tinubu has governed their regions before.

Who is more older between tinubu and atiku?
Is atiku chrsitian and tinubu Muslim?

What happen to our brothers sacrifice from East?

Cc: Lashist
Asgard73
AuntyVanessa
PrinceOfLagos
gidgiddy
Penguin2

Lashist:
Shutup idiot...it doesnt matter how you spell the words, your comment depicts you trust tinubu and is ready to vouch for him about leading naija to whatever promise land you have in your stupid mind...now i ask you, what have you gained personally from him?? How can you trust him so very much about leading Nigerians. I get you prefer a politician over another cus of tribe or religion..its allowed...but what makes you trust tinubu with your life?? Have you gained anything personally from him?? If you have, im sorry for making my comment but if you haven't, you are so foolish bros and your friends need to talk sense into you

Guy, there's a difference between trusting a politicians with ones life and rooting for that Politician in an election.


If you are a supporter of Atiku, does that mean that you trust Atiku with your life?

Bastardlyrich:
After betraying our hero gej and ijaws in the ss.
Let's see how Yoruba vote will make you people president.
Perhaps I'm not Igbo,I no you pictures and will happy everybody hates them.
But instead most people hates afonjas because of their character.

But Atiku worked against GEJ in 2011 by emmerging as the 'North consesus candidate' and in 2015.


I don't know what you mean by 'betraying' GEJ. Who betrayed who and how?


Vote for Atiku in peace and stop sounding dumber than you are by giving unintelligent explanations.

Shokoloko:
I hope Igbos will leave this elections for the other tribes to battle out. We should leave Presidency matters and tackle our governors holding them accountable.
2023 should not concern Igbos

Why?


Most Igbos are sympathizers of the PDP and are rooting for Atiku in 2023.
However if Atiku decides to pick Wike as his running mate, his support and popularity among the Igbos will reduce by 30%.

Bastardlyrich:
My Yoruba Muslim friend,I didn't watch the video.
Have they finally slash the money for propaganda.
Ss and se will not vote for a Yoruba Muslim.
If you cannot control your greed and envy towards ss and se then we in the entire South will continue to be ruled by northerners.
Simple

You aren't the coordinator of the SS/SE Geo-political zones, so just speak for yourself bro.

na2016:
he actually made sense. Instead of Tinubu to rule Nigeria, Atiku should be supported by all

How is Atiku better than Tinubu sir

LegendHero:
Lol.

Eni Eleni. It is time to cash out and all his supporters that he sold the dummy of Northernization for will be confused now.

Well it’s a democracy. He has the right to support anyone and I hope his fellow Atikulators can get to work and stop crying daily about Asiwaju.

By the way, Ohaneze need to write another open letter to Atiku to beg him not to contest because he is the greatest threat to Ibo presidency in 2023 as it stand.

Cc: Asgard73
AuntyVanessa
NnwanyiOgwashi
AsampeteNnwaanyi
PrinceOfLagos
gidgiddy
Penguin2

I don't think this happened in Nigeria.



As wayward as Nigerian girls may be, they will not allow you to have sex with them if they are already pregnant for another man.

descarado:
And ffk will not arrest her and jail her for life after twisting the story?

FFK doesn't have the power or rights to arrest and jail anybody for whatever reasons.

Only the courts can do that if a person commits a criminal offense to warrant that punishment. Precious absconding away from home or abandoning the children is not a criminal offense.

gidgiddy:
If Tinubu is in his 80's as some claim, it then means he would be at least 12 years old in 1952, the year he claims he was born, which means that he was old enough to know he was not born the year he says.

Anybody can claim anything. It doesn't necessarily mean it is true.


If any one has GENUINE evidence that Tinubu was already 12 years in 1952 (e.g if they have a school register showing that Tinubu was the Head boy of a Primary School with a group picture and classmates that can act as witnesses) they can challenge the validity of that affidavit in court.

Let me address the issues you raised with seriousness;

1) Age: Tinubu's past records put his year of birth as 1952.
In his electoral form for the 1992 Senatorial election backed by a court affidavit, he said he was born in 1952.
Now, it a man backed by any of his parents or close relatives sworn to an affidavit that he was believed to be born on a particular date, it becomes a valid legal document.

It can only be considered an offence, if the affidavit didn't originate from the court but was forged or there's a valid evidence that Tinubu had already reached the age of maturity by 1952 to know that he couldn't have been born in that year.

2) State of Origin: this is highly subjective. If Someone said he was born in Lagos and believes his families have been in Lagos for 3 generations,then his State of origin is Lagos. Besides everyone is free to chose his State of origin.

State of origin is NOT a legal prequisite for ANY election. You only need to have resided in the constituency for 3 years.


3) Name: Name is for identifications. We are who we say we are, even if we change our names.

I know so many people who are bearing different names from the names they were bearing while in primary schools.


It is only an offence in case of an identity theft/impersonation.

History555:
mbadinuju did not contest in 2003.
Ngige stole obi mandate and was kicked out by the supreme court.

The PDP denied Ex- gov Chinwoke Mbadinuju it's Gubernatorial ticket and gave it to Dr Chris Ngige.

Dr Chinwoke Mbadinuju then crossed to the Alliance for Democracy (AD) to contest for the 2023 election but he was defeated.

Frigga13:
Oga no body is begging Tinubu... they’re only warning him aftermath of 2023. Because Nigerian politicians will do mock the hell out of the greedy gehazi..

Read between the lines and don’t come here to massage a dead ego.

The warning is unnecessary.


It's better for Tinubu to pursue his presidential ambition to the end and damn all consequences.
This will promote democratic culture.