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Henry240:
Only the OPS Core helmets and Side arms can go to specialised units. The others would remain for the Infantry man. Also a change of service rifle, more mordernised rifles chambered in the 7.62, 5.45 should remain with specialised units.

Modern and 7.62 should not be used in the same sentance

INB4 MUH special-snowflake SCAR

Henry240:
"Why, why?" ........ It's a basic gear that's why. Makes soldiers look smart and very photogenic.



-Besides bulletproof vest shouldn't come separate from the Tactical vest. They should be one single unit.


- the OPS Core FAST helmet is currently the best in the world, it stops 7.62mm at close range.


- Secondary side arm should be a compulsory asset.


- the old boots are to heavy, soldiers should all switch to the more efficient, durable and light boats.

- tactical vests are better in the bush. Seen american soldiers lumbering around in videos in A-stan? Even the Americans after Joint Accord I commented on how quickly our guys moved in the bush.

- Yet it provides limited protection against frag

- Side arms are meaningless, moving away from rifles to carbines is a more meaningfull improvement.

- Meh... there is a circular argument about boots right now. Leather ones provide better support, last longer and provide more warmth when it gets cold (like in the desert), material ones are lighter.

More meaningfull improvements would be:
- individual comms sets
- personal med aid-bags
- optics for weapons
- carbines
- better load bearing harnesses
- lighter squad MG's (South AFrica did this with the SS-77 [pics])

agaugust:
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What fully? Name the South African company that has manufacturing plant to produc Russian 23mm ZSU cannon and Russian rocket pods for Super Hind.....name it and prove it liar ! Even THIZA and Saengine have given up on the fact that South Africa does NOT make aircraft rocket pods like Nigeria produces. Stop lying and move forward, why must you try to prove you do what you do not do? Only you must do all things? Stop lying and accept facts as they are anx let this forum move to another topic.[/s]

This coming from the guy who spent weeks trying to tell us that air at altitude is more dense?

The same guy who argued for weeks about the speed of a falling bomb even when we posted a source here for all to see?

Go on, keep talking about the pride of nigeria - some tubes welded together

agaugust:
Made in Belgium rocket pods. Show me the rocket pods made in South Africa, or else you can come buy made in Nigeria rocket pods.

So you seriously believe we cannot make rocket pods?

Seriously?

agaugust:
Your Oryx and Rooivalk uses them, but you import while we manufacture.

No jets use them.

Production stopped because it was not economical anymore.

Again, we make the latest gen of guided rockets.

You think we cannot make rocket pods? Seriously?

This is nothing but you trying to make a mountain out of mole-hill and cover up for the massive faulre of your military industrial complex and its 40 year old ammunition

agaugust:
No wonder your men cannot fight war, you dance while other countries fight wars.

In Nigeria we manufacture rocket pods, and we use them in combat, not for dancing.

SA does not manufacture rocket pods for aircraft, NIG does it, and we can sell to you !!!
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Why would we buy obsolete equipment that we dont use?

You really think that we can make the latest generation of missile and not make a simple rocket pod?

You know we make MRLS systems right?

agaugust:
That plain brown single colour uniform and old whitemen with retired old FN-FAL rifles are CLEARLY APARTHEID ERA special forces you fool !!!
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No they dont.

SAPS-STF and Recces still make them wear those uniforms and train with those guns.

agaugust:
Bwahahaa, your photo is the same type of Russian Mi-24 Hinds rocket pods that Libyan rebels stole from Ghadaffi's air force base !!!!!!

You are copy pasting random photos from free internet


Those are NOT made in South Africa.....they are imported Russian made rocket pods....LOL show us a source that tells us the name of tbe pods or shows SANDF using them, and the name of the manufactiring company.......fake pics for fake claims !!!
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Source has been posted

agaugust:
Liar, your sources only names Ingwe missile made by DENEL.

South Africa does NOT make any aircraft rocket pods, even THIZA cannot find one to show us. SAAF imports rocket pods from Belgium, but Nigeria makes our own rocket pods.....something you cannot do !!!!

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Links have been posted

Not our problem if you dont read them

agaugust:
[s]You are posting old 1980s photos of apartheid era SADF white men special forces, where are your Zulu HIV sick Bantu special forces of today 2016 and their zero war experience? Let me show you special forces of Nigeria, young black men with 7 years non-stop war experience ![/s]

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And your army was so useless you had to get SOuth Africa/Russia/Isreal to train them for you

agaugust:
Bwahahaha !

REBELS MAKING ROCKETS THAT SOUTH AFRICA CANNOT MAKE with her overrated defence industry, you should be ashamed !

Show us South African made jet rocket pods, we have been asking you since yesterday !!!!!!!!!!!!

Who says we cant make them?

Why would we make something we dont use?

SAAF has moved beyond unguided rockets for jets. Its 2015, its the era of the PGM

agaugust:
Rooivalk is half French made helicopter. Anyway, even Iran builds helicopters. Nigeria builds modern armoured IPV vessels, South Africa does not build armoured IPV.

Bwahahaaha....rocket pods made in Europe imported by South Africa. All sources say you import from Belgium, but Nigeria builds her own.

YOU SOUTHIES ARE SHOCKED THAT WE MAKE SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NOT MAKE
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South Africa builds armored IPV's... we sell them to you

agaugust:
Nigeria builds world standard rocket pods for jets, show us your own South African made jet rocket pods...see our own....

Guided missiles > Rocket pods

agaugust:
South Africa does NOT manufacture jet rocket pods. Nigeria does it. Go d.ie of envy in your European made defence industry.

So jealous

agaugust:

Your South African army has 30 battalions of HIV sick soldiers ! 30 SANDF battalions that cannot fight war !

We will just make them tired running around the battlefield and your army will faint into coma, HIV infected army of South Africa, your troops are dead on arrival with about 20,000 HIV sick and weak tired half lifeless soldiers, so how many do you have left?

LOL....30 battalions half dead on arrival, HIV slaughtered.

"First six months of the project 1,089 SANDF soldiers volunteered to be tested, of whom 947 were found to be HIV-positive"

http://www.hst.org.za/news/sandf-unveils-shock-aids-data

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/JOINT/JOINT_NEW/1_South_Africa/soldiers_in_hospitals_400x299.jpg


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How many Nigerian soldiers have been tested?

Who cares, HIV sick soldiers get ARV's in South Africa - which means they live healthy lives. They are also removed from combat units.

agaugust:
It's your brain that is having an override of lies and fraud !

South African navy is FINAL AUTHORITY on their own warship, they official website says Valour has 76mm Compact NOT Super Rapid.

Valour ship carries 1970s obsolete 76mm Compact main gun, CONFIRMED BY SOUTH AFRICAN NAVY ITSELF !
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No, a publicity site done by a PR team is not the final say.

- Work orders for the Super Rapid have been posted
- Defenceweb has confirmed

Your ego is getting the better of you.

agaugust:
Error from that website. They got it Wrong.

My source is the gun manufacturer itself, not some fücking misleading website.

Manufacturer is FINAL AUTHORITY on their product http://www.finmeccanica.com/en/-/76-62-super-rapid
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Does the manufacturer say that they can only be housed in that gun mount?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr0OcXst59k

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08kSncpUnUo

sczeska:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBC9BM4-3Ek

ERA bricks on this, and watch it shape COIN

*Supposedly* already seen combat in Syria

http://in.sputniknews.com/russia/20151225/1016873886/Russia-Syria-army-military-robots.html

jln115:
Yes buddy i know it has a 76mm gun, thats why i bolded the "105", I would feel much better if our troops engage armour with Denels 105mm gun mounted on the Rooikat, although i do agree the Rooikat 76mm can definitely do the job, albeit a little less effectively.

And considering how much damage German tanks did during WW2 in Urban areas, i wouldn't be so quick to say Inf well wreck them 9 time out of 10.

Ahh I see

I prefer the 76mm as it has a higher rate of fire and has less recoil on the hull, IMO thats a winning combo. Afterall, there is a reason that the 105mm failed on global markets

Well, German tanks got wrecked in Stalingrad, but yeah, until the Panzerfaust was released late on in the war they didnt have a cheap and effecive means of knocking out medium/heavy tanks. But as we see today in Syria and with the Russians in Grozny tanks in urban areas are a death trap due to modern shaped charge and tandem head ATGM's

The only time you can really take heavy armor into a built up area is if you have either a Namer or APS

But since we are in Africa I doubt we will ever come up against those... I reckon the most advanced thing we will ever see is the MBT300 if Cameroon decides to buy it, lacking that its Ugandan T90s


By the way, I am starting a chartity its called #BuyNamersForSouthAfrica

agaugust:
Nope, I feel good, I have a source that is respectable, how is it my problem if the same source posts two conflicting information? Do I own the website?

Pooh pooh, I don't care one bit.

YOU ARE THE MONUMENTAL IDIÕT BECAUSE THE 76 MM SUPER RAPID IS NOT ON YOUR VALOUR CORVETTES AS YOU CLAIM....

Photo 1 from manufactuter of Super Rapid 2012 gun...Diamond stealth shape http://www.finmeccanica.com/en/-/76-62-super-rapid

Photos 2 & 3 from South African navy of Compact 1970 gun...round shape, no stealth.

I am sure you feel like a monumental liar on his way to hëll right now
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Pic: 76mm Super Rapid gun
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/fly/fly4.html

This argument was over days ago, all you are doing is letting your ego override your brain

jln115:
What i love about the Ratel60 is that it has a direct fire capability, so your basically accurately shooting bombs at the enemy, also im not sure if the 120mm will fit in the Ratel!!

The reason i feel we should keep the Ratel 90 is for when we deploy abroad in Urban environments where we could possibly encounter a rebel T55/62 but being in a populated Urban area it would be difficult to deploy ATMGs, and having only a 30mm cannon it would be difficult for the Badger to engage the enemy......Obviously it would be better if we could engage them with a Rooikat 105.

But i love your idea of fitting 90mm on the RG35, just not sure if they will fit though, anyway if it is indeed possible, it will also fill the gap left when we retired the Eland(if we fit the turret on the 4x4 RG35), they are also very well armoured!!

Rooikat has a 76mm

and it can pen a T55/62 at up to 2km... high velocity APFSDS is a helluva thing

Plus, you dont need to worry about enemy armor in urban areas... inf will wreck armor in urban combat 9 times out of 10

Anti-Poaching unit RSA

Henry240:
If there was to be an Attack in top tier Nigerian cities, Abuja, Lagos, Port-Harcourt, Kano, Enugu, Calabar the response would be timely and adequate. It is in second tier cities we would probably suffer setbacks.

To be expected... same in any country.

I saw a BBC story where they were saying that there are over 2000 "fire-arms officers" (basically SWAT) in the London Municipality... and only 300 in the whole county that surrounds Sunderland.

But as the old Military Maxim goes: He who defends everything, defends nothing

agaugust:
When I called for an AU special forces brigade of say 5,000 men highly trained in a place like Belarus that has world class training facilities and experienced trainers who are professionals with experience of SF ops against Mujaheedin Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan Vs USSR war, most guys on this thread were against it.

Now see what El Shabbab is doing to regular African troops in Somalia, I saw this coming, that's why I advocated an AU special forces brigade with world class training. If we don't get better trained troops into the battle theater, the so called 'well trained African troops who need no foreign training' that make up the AU forces will spend 10 years in Somalia getting dribbled around by El Shabbab.

Get 2,500 COIN trained AU special forces to Somalia, rotate every 6 months with the other 2,500 SF men and see a difference. Not all SF can do this job, this is Islamic terrorism, you need COIN SF, not just any SF. The countries with COIN SF are very few, go get the training where it can be found, they are different from Conventional war SF that fight against a predictable, clearly clothed-uniformed identifiable enemy, clearly defined battle space frontlines, no suicide bombers, no religious extremist brainwashing, no mixing and disguising as civilians, no use of civilian human shields, etc.

When you try to advise for the good of Africa, some people here start marketing their own country in a selfish glory hunting expedition and claiming to have capable SF that can handle a new type of assymetric enemy, they dont care is AU is misled, as long as their country is glorified.

I just hope AU officers read this thread and pick up good advice when they see such coming from all over Africa on this Nairaland forum.

The reason we objected is because you dont need to go to Belarus for training (which is pretty low quality anyway).

Hate to break it to you, but Belorussian units were not involved in Afghanistan.... only Russian units from the Volga–Urals Military District fought in A-stan

And frankly, the images you showed us of their "training" was ludicrous.

Fact is that there are plenty countries in Africa with competant SF set-ups that are focused on COIN - they are for example:

1. South Africa:
- Recces (4 Recce for seaborn, 5 Recce for ground ops)
- SAPS-STF (HVT rescue, HVT capture, interdiction, FIBUA)

2. Egypt
- Unit 777, Unit 33 (same as SAPS-STF, but militay)
- Sa'ka Forces (basically US Army Ranger equivalent)

3. Algeria
- G.I.S (same as Unit 777, SAPS-STF)

4. Moroccan
- Airforce unit that specializes in QRF and CSAR, recently tained Belgian SF in desert operations

Etc etc ect.

So just in Africa, there are 7 experienced SF/SOF formations that specialize from South African Recces who focus on deep reconnaissance, to Egyptians and Algerians with Counter Terrorism units that focus on FIBUA and hostage extraction and Morocco with world class QRF and CSAR units.

There is no need to fly men to a country that has never fought a war and that has a ramshackle military for training that can be done in Africa, by Africans and focused on African conditions.

Peacee-offering: Picture of the upgraded MB-339 Cockpit

Sorry, @agaugust, I couldent help myself

Im just messing with you.

agaugust:
xx Super Tucanos COIN

Here we go again

Some info and pics on the programe to bring our AAA up to CRAM (Counter Rocket Artillery and Mortar) status, using the Skysheild programe and AHEAD ammunition


- SKY SHIELD
The contract encompasses the supply of Oerlikon Skyshield fire control units, which will substantially improve the performance and accuracy of South Africa’s current twin-gun systems as well as significantly expanding the operational spectrum of its air defence capabilities. South Africa currently operates 102 GDF-002 and 48 modified GDF-005 units. In this context, a number of the twin-gun systems will also be retrofitted with upgrade kits to accommodate Rheinmetall’s state-of-the-art AHEAD Anti-missile ammunition including logistics and training services, the complete package is scheduled for completion by 2017.


The Skyshield is easily deployed by trucks and other transportation systems. The fire control system (FCS) uses an X-band search and tracking radar, and another unit for radar/TV and/or laser/FLIR precision tracking. The command post can be placed up to 500 meters, roughly, from the fire control unit (FCU), using encrypted radio-waves. The Skyshield system can also be networked with other air defense systems for wider and more effective air coverage, expanding its roles from point defense to area defense.

- AHEAD ammunition
The 35 mm Ahead system, consists of measurement and programming units, control electronics and programmable Ahead ammunition. It can be fitted to any suitable automatic cannon and then successfully engage small, fast aerial targets with a high kill probability. Each Ahead round contains 152 tungsten sub-projectiles which are ejected immediately in front of the oncoming target. The measurement unit determines the velocity of each Ahead round prior to muzzle exit. Based on this data, the control electronics calculates the sub-projectile ejection time, which is transmitted via the programming unit to the time fuse in the projectile.

Austrain GDF-005 (pre-upgrade)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcjtdz55U3w

Demonstration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHJONgDBGzM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUaS_AR4r0

agaugust:
Stop quoting ancient world wars I and II as your South African war history, even Ghana and Nigeria fought against mighty Germany in Europe, and Japan in Burma battles of those two wars.

Oh ! I see South Africa has NO war history of fightng alone as a single nation apart from the Angolan Bush War where Cuban teenage army beat up SADF, so you now quote world wars and United Nations multi-national missions in Congo .

SHAME ON SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY

Nigerian soldiers were used as labourers... and never fought in Europe.

We deployed planes, tanks, motorized infantry the whole lot... you sent some luggage bearers.

Nigeria has no modern wartime experience, has never fought an organized and well trained foe and gets thrashed by rag tag rebels...

Kicked out of 46 of your own towns... shame on you!

agaugust:
[s]You have 3 Exocet missiles per Valour corvette, old 1970s gun on your ships, short 15 km range and short 8 km ceiling Umkhonto missiles on your now downgraded Valour Patrol Corvettes.

We have two stealth ships with anti-missile defences, modern stealth gun with longer range, and NAF will sink your lone submarine when it snorkels every two days.

Your frigates just got downgraded to mere VALOUR PATROL CORVETTES officially downgraded by your own South African navy....fake blue water force ![/s]

We have more than enough Exocets to sink your fleet

Super Rapid has been confirmed

Your Corvettes wont stand a chance against frigates

SAN refers to them as frigates.. proven many times.

Why are you just repeating yourself over and over even when proven wrong? Dont you have anything better to do with your time?